Dodge Demon 170 vs Lucid Drag Race (Real World Test)

[@loydta]

I don't care how fast they are. I'm gonna keep burning dinosaur juice.

[@michaelscott-joynt3215]

You can always build, mod, maintain, and personalize your dinosaur. An EV is a sold finished product. It defies the racing and hot rodding way of life, to constantly change and improve and find ways to get everything out of your car and yourself. If you stick with an EV you just wait for software updates, and order the next one online, I guess. That's not much of a sport or hobby.

[@thomaslewis7883]

Fast is fast. Riding in a 8 or 9 second NHRA super stocker with a manual transmission is life changing, but don't get it twisted the power of 2, 3 or four electric motor's in a 4000 plus pound sedan is a force like no other you've ever experienced. Its pretty much instant and all in as soon as you step on the go pedal.

[@backyardbuilttrucks1]

Fast is fast EV is quick not fast , a EV having to have a battery that battery can only be as big as the car itself , takes time to charge , power to weight ratio , guy here races EV’s at the track and on the street and he goes out first round every time , 4 second 1/8 mile street driven car is fast .

[@briannelson8373]

@@michaelscott-joynt3215 Exactly! EVs are the equivalent of a point-and-shoot camera. What you bought is as good as it's ever going to get, the only "mod" is weight loss. Anyone with a functional right foot can run just as well as a pro driver. Hot rodding is about tinkering, experimenting, and driver skill.

[@dmeemd7787]

Tom said it better in the video :-) I’ve always made the joke or “joke” that I want a vehicle that gets 100 miles/gallon and another that gets 100 gallons/mile lol - (especially if one could tow the other 😂)

[@jeffreyworthington7558]

You are absolutely right. Freedom of choice is where it's at.

[@vinceburris2538]

Yep, I had to yell "hell yeah brother" to that one.

[@thomaslewis7883]

Yep, sadly there are a lot of ignorant people, who look at technology as a personal attack on them. The people who were involved in the Capital Hill riot are some of those same people.

[@danoc51]

I'm a hot rodder and have owned a few very quick cars. However, I don't understand all the reluctance to embrace EV's. I've owned a Tesla for two years and it is the best car I've ever had. It drives beautifully and I no longer have to stop at gas stations. It is not my quickest car ever but it has more performance than I need for street and highway driving. Some of you guys are like dinosaurs. Here, we have Tom Bailey giving excuses for not being able to beat a stock EV. I'll take the Lucid, thank you.

[@timothythompson3029]

So let me get this right. The Lucid had a crew with a factory engineer hanging around and the Demon was just you. At least Dodge could have sent at least one guy to help you.

[@peternewman958]

@@timothythompson3029 with the current thinking at Stellantis I doubt that would happen unfortunately.

[@robertelmo7736]

Yeah, maybe Demonology next time.

[@joshvalentine226]

Or a decent tune

[@speedracerjeff]

Demonology or Ron Silva…. Ron was one of the first to run 8.9 in his stock tune Demon 170, then he ran 8.89!

[@voodoodiecast]

@@speedracerjeff”stock tune” but not bone stock. 8.9 was a lie.

[@vehdynam]

Great video , lots of explanations by an obviously very educated electric car developer , and for that I thank you. However , I am not a fan of electric cars nor will I be. Thanks Tom , you did great.

[@nixter1nixter1]

The rumble sound of power versus the electric whine of power, it matters not when the main concern is speed. Superior acceleration, lap times, and quarter-mile times depend on controlled power, not noise that sounds cool.

[@BrokenanklesFPV]

the legendary names that have raced on willow springs is an impressive list

[@donleinhart]

Electric cars have no soul

[@jonnyg6001]

Why do you say that?

[@retrocompaq5212]

its not electric cars, its modern cars without any identity and character, anything since the gen x makes cars dont got any soul, a 1991 civic has more soul than a new car

[@artmchugh5644]

My 1983 Porsche has a lot of soul !!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@randomguyontheinterweb]

Electricity is the soul of the entire planet. Your brain sent tiny little electrical currents so you could write that comment. 😂

[@artmchugh5644]

@@randomguyontheinterweb WHAT !!!!! GET OUT !!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Anthrhelping]

11:35 poor squirrel

[@vontrotski1]

Such a humble chap, Tom! You did a great job and love your calm nature throughout this test! Love the content here in New Zealand, big fella!

[@TexRobNC]

For some reason this made me think Blake Wilkey needs to make an electric buggy. Put all the batteries towards the back and low, it'd be hilarious how good it will work

[@bobbarker3781]

If you haven't noticed Tom. It's not about what we want, it's about what they say we can have. Voting has consequences

[@bwalker4194]

Don’t really like EVs much, but I absolutely hate corporate lies and Stellantis gets the Pinocchio award for this one.

[@mikedimaio1237]

Die hard mopar guy, kudos to the Lucid team, one hell of a car. I would have to think those tires were shot after all the driving done on them.

[@danmyers9372]

38:19 - Could immediately tell by looking at the track surface that the 170 was not going to hook and was going to lose the “prepped surface” race. The 170 runs a drag radial and as knowledgeable drag racers know a drag radial needs tons of traction compound. If you look at the surface and it’s not really shiny it’s hasn’t been “radial” prepped. Looks like the track gave you a basic slick tire prep which won’t work for the 170. I’m surprised you didn’t try to slip the prep guys a few bucks to spray extra glue on the track. 😉

[@oldskool4580]

I dont get the hate for the teslas, I'm a old car guy and i think they are cool. The guy could have took the entire production to china but he chose America, being wise (lol old) that is very important and impressive to me, they are super quick and this is the very beginning of them. If i was 20 something again I'd be like, "stand back non believers" I'd jump in with both feet and let her buck.

[@joshgessinger4509]

I don’t think people actually have hate for EV’s themselves. Pretty sure the hate comes from all the talk pushing us all to drive EV’s. Never really heard the hate until it all went political.

[@toddclark332]

Gas know and forever 💪🏼👌🇺🇸 nothing better than a cool Rumble

[@kylereese4822]

Paddon Rallysport Hyundai Kona EV Rallycar they run it at 60%(around 800hp)of full power

[@The77stevo77]

@@toddclark332 gas now? And forver?

[@dwarfgrumpy]

This video should be reshot in old timey sepia with Tom racing a horse and carriage against a new fangled model T. Complaining about how the model T has to stop and fill up with gasoline when his horses can eat grass anywhere. The model T makes weird noises disturbing the peaceful ride of his horse and cart!

[@Wizards_Sleeve]

"The world's fastest production car in the world in the quarter mile" Really ?? I think not Tom !! 🙄

[@thatonelegend817]

@@Wizards_Sleeve sorry bud but when ur at 2000 ft of elevation ur not doing drag strip times.

[@mrpenland]

throw a 200 shot on the demon lol

[@nunya9068]

It would still lose

[@fredmoucatel2058]

It has severe traction issues as is , more power amplifies the problem !

[@GMVracing]

I’m sure there’s a few out there, but I have yet to see an eight second pass, other than the unveiling event in the car with the roll cage. How did Dodge do it in one take? The car must’ve been slightly modified. This just makes me sad!

[@79tazman]

You need to get some traction compound like Stripper glitter or Track bite to lay down and do a burnout on that way you will get more grip for takeoff

[@puppysayshi7848]

After 15-20 tries you will only get gapped by 3 cars. Congrats Lucid. You built a beast.

[@russclewley6945]

Don't kick yourself to hard, I have yet to see a video that anyone has made this car do what Dodge says it will do.

[@425superRocket]

@@russclewley6945 Not once. Not ever. I've watched virtually every single Demon 170 video. Somehow Dodge "allegedly" did it. But nobody else on earth can do it... in a "bone stock" Demon.

[@jonnyg6001]

@@russclewley6945 typical Mopar

[@michaelscott-joynt3215]

4,300lb Mopar vs. $250,000 spaceship. This small company doesn't care about muscle cars, they aimed to smoke a Tesla S Plaid. The motor on each rear wheel is a big reason why it can, but the engineering and computer science is insane. With all that at $250K there's no shame in losing, it's on the Lucid to prove it's worth 2-3x the money.

[@425superRocket]

@@michaelscott-joynt3215 Let's not ignore the fact that after The Dodge dealer's finished they're wray ping, the Demons were selling for $170,000- nearly $400,000.

[@retrocompaq5212]

@@michaelscott-joynt3215 muscle cars are gone since 1975 sir

[@jsmcortina]

Really interesting conversation about their development of the EV. Incredibly quick car without doubt. However, it has no place in amateur motorsport which I see as a battle of team vs. machine - building, racing, refining.

[@markmitchezee2728]

- - WARNING - - Some Critical Facts Missing / Omitted. # 1 ) $250,000 for an Electric 4dr. Sedan. GOOD LUCK Selling THAT ! # 2 ) 5,000 lbs. = Cornering & Stopping Performance of a Dump Truck . Let's see how many of these Electric Crap-Wagons get SOLD ? How long is that waiting List gonna be ? LOL. Oh & lets not even bring up things like Range & Maintenance ? Battery Replacement ? For my ( $250,000 ) I can have either have a Aston Martin or a "Saphire" / Super-Fast Camry ? lol

[@beege1968]

Tell them you want a rematch bring 2.0 and put a demon body on it....😂😂😂

[@Fore-Four-Dee-Too]

Hagerty did a video just like this, but better.

[@TT64NOVASS]

Radial tire , no prep = Radial tire , no go !

[@1pbean]

Poorly my ass. You did awesome. At the end of the day, you will be home in the Dodge while they are hunting down charge stations. You da man Tom! I especially liked the burnout with the wind turdbines in the background. Cool!

[@gsixzero]

Yeah it's really tough hunting down a charging station in CA in 2024. Not to mention the demon has a range of maybe 200 miles

[@mjay6245]

​@@gsixzero240

[@retrocompaq5212]

@@gsixzero its a fucking pain in the ass, especially when you work on the road in an ev, i lose min 2h per day, so its 200$ lost per day, 5k per month or 60k per year, its not worth it

[@ktreyyyy]

41:38 man tht thing made a beautiful pass

[@thegonz7833]

Tea and crumpet guy got the jump every time, should have got the 170 owner that done a lot of no prep. A lot of smack talk but still no chance no prep.

[@lifehealth489]

all wheel drive will get you everytime

[@roadman14]

You brought a knife to a gunfight, even 2 wheel drive versus all wheel drive. Apples to Oranges. They aren't really even trying.

[@davidgough1161]

Love you, Tom. It isn't you they are hard to beat. However they can be beat!

[@timweb1510]

Lol, have to treat that old man like a child 😀

[@blownEFI]

I don't care how fast the toaster is, I would rather have the Demon.

[@jefforeee]

Can't ignore the Lucid advantage of being all wheel drive. Wouldn't a comparison to the Lucid RWD model (60 mph in 4.3 seconds and through the quarter-mile in 12.7 seconds at 113 mph, from C&D article) be more fair to the Demon, from a physics standpoint?

[@Cap.RedBeard]

Fun fact. You can have tea and crumpets and also get into your car that does Smokey burnouts.

[@flyonbyya]

I’ll be in the stands at 131 this weekend!

[@79tazman]

Cleetus giveaway TRX is going to have a demon 170 engine in it and it will be all wheel drive it will be cool to run it against a demon 170 to see if the all wheel drive will be faster than the lighter demon plus that TRX has been custom built to a single cab instead of the crew cab TRX truck came as.

[@johnh1932]

Freedom of choice is the root of this debate. I know EVs can be quick, and even fun to drive. No argument whatsoever. If an EV fits your lifestyle please have at it, and enjoy it. For my lifestyle, my old Tahoe makes the most sense, and is my preference. I would never try to talk an EV person into an ICE car and I certainly would not be in favor of govt abolishing EVs or ICE cars. Let the market decide.

[@colinbrassington3192]

Watched the Hagerty episode, wondered if we’d see anything from your side on how that day went.

[@fritzmueller1337]

I take the Dogde. Thanks.

[@brianlackie5093]

I'm a Camaro guy, I think you'd have a better chance with a Camaro but even that's not going to cut it. That cars all-wheel drive, you might have a better chance with a Nissan GT-R or a Lamborghini Huracan electric cars are fast simply because they're all wheel drive which is a huge Advantage

[@cjmopar]

I doubt that demon was set up right theirs no way 10 seconds and 9.7 seconds is your best time. I think you guys should redo this run I’ve seen many videos at slowest with the 170 do 9.5 and 9.1’s consistently. A guy I know beat the factory record by 1 tenth 8.8 @ 155 mph. Ripatuned on his first day did 9.2 stock.

[@hemifiedsixtyfour2813]

Id take a 9 sec ic car over a 7 sec ev anyday.

[@roadrunner4404]

You gave it the ol try. Heads up

[@vrmn11]

All this great stuff about the electric cars, what is the range? And how long will it take to recharge? How long will it take to make 1000 miles in one day?

[@woofersd2383]

Isn’t Emilia Hartford trying to purchase this property?

[@L.o.u.i.s..]

That feeling when you're driving the most hyped musclecar in history then destroyed by grandpa luxury sedan.

[@retrocompaq5212]

thats a pony car dude not a muscle car, muscle cars are mid sized cars with big block engines, not found since 1975, thats a small block engine... corvette zr1 has 1064hp on pump gas, it destroys both of these cars, it can handle and brake too unlike these

[@frankenstein01]

The zr1 will lose a drag race to the Lucid too.

[@danieljohn4603]

@@retrocompaq5212it’s classified as a muscle car. Pony cars are mustangs and Camaros.

[@thomaslewis7883]

This is a super stock and as such needs to be setup by a seasoned super stock racer on a prepped surface. Love them or hate them, electrics are fast.

[@royrauch9775]

If you are pulling 20-50 foot wheelies out of your launch you have NO WORRY about traction

[@edwardwood3622]

I haven’t watched the video yet but the Lucid is going to crush the 170.

[@strykerentllc]

Considering the Sapphire costs $250,000, it better for that pile of cabbage. The kick is Lucid will go bankrupt given the company's financial issues. Their stock price is below $4/share, losing over 90% of its value in a couple of years. People with $250,000 looking for a luxury sedan aren't looking at Lucid.

[@edwardwood3622]

@@strykerentllc it will cost $250k to get a 170 and it’s a one trick pony that got beat at it’s one trick. Chrysler has gone bankrupt, bailed out, bought out a few times and likely will go down again. What’s your point?

[@strykerentllc]

@@edwardwood3622 Demon 170 was $100k genius.That golf cart company is going to go the way of the dinosaurs and you can simp every day until that happens.

[@edwardwood3622]

@@strykerentllc MAGA loser.

[@edwardwood3622]

@@strykerentllc naive kid, did you even look up the asking for 170s? Simp? Is there anyone over the age of twelve that thinks that is an insult? Go to bed, get a good night sleep and try again tomorrow.

[@donmoshier4166]

Awd vrs 2wheel peel not a compition rigged from the gate

[@neilchallis5535]

EV's are fast but have no soul

[@Charlesbjtown]

I don't even know what this means. Cars don't have "souls". Only thing that matters is, the lucid.... and even plaid model s have far superior performance. Not only that, but repeatability, and reliability. And lastly, MUCH cheaper to fuel. Gas cars are like windows 95 at this point.

[@SDA49]

Your car looks and sounds great but the future is here. American car manufacturers should making high performance cars with all wheel drive. The electric car revolution is just beginning and is not even at its peak.

[@spcneary]

The government doesn’t really care what powers your car, it’s just another thing that devides us. Blue team vs red team has seriously become EV vs GAS, can’t we be happy such a fast car came from the USA?

[@ryangabriel1451]

Welcome to the future of speed. Fastest production car, truck, & SUV, are ALL electric⚡🚙⚡

[@frijoli9579]

@Tom Bailey, I was in Ireland and saw a guy and his Son looked Just like you and your son. I almost said hi! lol

[@mlstrib]

Legend has it the 170 revved real loudly when taking the lead on mile 500

[@bencarey243]

The demon 170 top speed is only like 150 mph or some sad thing like that.

[@danieljohn4603]

It’s speed limited to 150, and the limiter can be removed. It does 150 mph in a 1/4 mile. a stock Hellcat can reach 203 mph… what do you think the 170 can reach with 300+ more HP?

[@bencarey243]

@@danieljohn4603 I don't know but you said it yourself, it has a speed limiter.

[@overyonderjustapiece]

Actually, that is NOT the "quickest" electric car. That falls under the McMurtry Spéirling that runs a PALTRY 2 million pounds. Or $2,572,842.00 USD

[@danmyers9372]

I believe they are referring to the quickest “production” electric car.

[@stevegroenink]

@@danmyers9372 which is still wrong, the rimac is

[@bobroberts2371]

@@stevegroenink said " rimac " Well, at $ 2 million and limited to 150 cars Vs the Lucid at $ 71,000 to $ 250,000 , I'd be more inclined to call the Lucid an attainable production car.

[@mjay6245]

​@@stevegroenink 150 cars isn't really a production car. That's a collector car.

[@NickWainwright6970]

McMurtry also runs 7’s

[@jforb427]

Time to alter the wheelbase on that Dodge.... :)

[@Bassplayingypsy]

First of all. The Lucid is not the worlds fastest production eletric car. That title belongs to the Rimac Nivera. Period. It would SMOKE everything. Put $$$. Up on that.

[@kenbozarth2146]

Is the Lucid 100% stock , running 9.04 ?

[@Charlesbjtown]

Stone stock.

[@queefreak666]

FunFact: While he's "dialing in" the Demon the Lucid is charging.

[@McCanicScot420]

Comparing apples to oranges. EV vs EV then you’re looking at screaming at yourself again.

[@JoeStill-un9gp]

Should have brought an 85 Ford escort along to have a competitive race 😂

[@dannymccraw4841]

Not fair awd vs rwd, we don’t mix them in drag racing, awd is in its own class.

[@baldhead7705]

I'll still take the demon any day over any electric car

[@jeffreylynch3203]

Some loud mouth dual motor T owner was saying how fast his car was. This is with a bunch of guys looking on. I told him my 2019 Chevy express 3500 would be him in a race. I bet him a GWhiz. He hesitated in front of all those guys then finally agreed. He had to. So the subject of when and where. I said, now. To Chicago. We were in Boston.

[@bubbabrown6917]

Us combustion motor guys are hating ev’s they will always be faster

[@danieljohn4603]

Except the fastest EV on the planet is light years slower than the fastest ICE. when an EV can run 3’s at 340 mph in the 1/4 mile, you be sure to let us know 😂😂😂

[@michaelhughes3302]

I'm officially a dinosaur!

[@thegonz7833]

This event wasnt designed for the car to run its best

[@ronkraj7052]

Remember when steam trains were replaced by diesel electric? Sounds like the same things the engineers were saying back then.

[@MrJudges4u]

Ron Silva has achieved the advertised 0-60 and 1/4 mile times in his one seat car. You used a Demon 170 that is not configured like the test mule car. 😮

[@tigeroftheeye7121]

Pretty sure the one that airlifted into Vegas was a ringer.

[@stevesmith6236]

Love my 2023 Dodge HEMI powered Charger, but based on ALL the media coverage ( KZbin vids), I really think they rushed this 170 into production . It's just not there yet.

[@danmyers9372]

Well of course they rushed the car into production. They weren’t going to put any investment into a platform that has been discontinued.

[@kylereese4822]

The U9 is equipped with four electric motors providing a total power output of 960 kW (1,290 hp) and a maximum range of 450 km (280 mi) on the China Light-Duty Vehicle Test Cycle (CLTC). BYD reported a 0-100 km/h (62 mph) acceleration time of 2.36 seconds, and a 1⁄4 mi (402 m) drag race time of 9.78 seconds. The official top speed of the U9 is 309.19 km/h (192.12 mph).

[@puppysayshi7848]

C8ZR1 will be the Lucid's next victim.

[@royrauch9775]

I seriously doubt, because of the computer settings that a Demon will do over 159MPH ever try to half mile top speed run? You need a DODGE COMPUTER WIZARD, that actually worked on them to be able to UNLOCK that computer glich

[@MrBayoubig]

need to change aint-squat lol but ive never seen them cars hook on no prep

[@rmcnasty7319]

Good video, Tom

[@DACoutBack]

It is showing that a EV can beat performance cars on the street all day.

[@Sam-e9d6m]

Needs super stock car suspension travel.

[@tomeickhorst6787]

You needed Bradenton track prep

[@randomguyontheinterweb]

It's called engineering. That much power to just the rear wheels will never be actually usable with a front engine rear wheel drive layout.

[@mshafer2006]

My '77 K5 Blazer didn't weigh 5300lbs. Holy crap. No wonder the biggest pit falls of EV I's not only the carbon footprint of the battery pack but also the rubber footprint. And, this is our future to lower our carbon footprint. This seems like more of one than a 3200lb drag car running on Nitro-methane. Now I see why Toyota is holding out for Hydogen to take off. Interesting video good educational wise but, so far 34:08 into the video I just get the sense that EV is not what I want for the future. And, my future is at least another 40 plus years being only 43.

[@kylereese4822]

Toyota getting sued for Hydrogen cars. Toyota Hydrogen Future Is Crumbling As Owners File Lawsuits ... - InsideEVs Owners have said online that the real-world range of the Mirai is around 260 miles to a tank of hydrogen, quite a bit less than Toyota's claim of 402 miles.

[@timschrock23]

I've always wondered electric motors horsepower ratings, RPMs times torque, extream RPMs =?

[@WhiteManXRP]

2021 Tesla already needs a battery, warranty was over by 650 miles, 35,000 dollars for a replacement, 17000 for a used one, can you imagine, having to dump 20 to 30 thousand into a 2 1/2 year old car that was 70 grand new.....INSANITY

[@strykerentllc]

Racing a golf cart equipped with a toaster has got to be the strangest thing anyone has ever done.

[@bobroberts2371]

You driving a gas powered riding mower as a personal daily driver rather than a 5 ton dump truck is the strangest thing anyone has ever done.

[@strykerentllc]

@@bobroberts2371 Sit down on your curling iron, simp.

[@strykerentllc]

@@bobroberts2371 cope harder

[@bobroberts2371]

@@strykerentllc YOU are the one driving around in a toy car rather than a liquid fueled 5 ton dump truck ( See how that works? If you can dis one type of car then others can dis yous too )

[@strykerentllc]

@@bobroberts2371 Aw, your little feelings got bruised. Cope cope cope.

[@73turbopinto]

Tom race him across country.

[@WhiteManXRP]

😂 Corn fed American Muscle Or CornCob in the As* Electric 😂😂😂😂😂

[@markrowbotham222]

2 demons would be more exciting close racing though with more tunability, EV stupid fast but cant really change much

[@Charlesbjtown]

No need to change when nothing can touch it. And if they want to make the car faster, lucid can simply send an over the air update 😂.

[@DD-xx8wh]

future? oh no!...your neighbors are goin to miss smokey burnouts and covering their ears

[@jesseshort8]

That guy is exactly what I imagine when I think of E.V. owners. Take that how you want.😉

[@Dangman-s8i]

I knew what the result was going to be before they even raced. These demon 170's were overhyped.

[@HemiDartGT]

Just wondering, who won the UTE? Never saw a video on it....

[@terry3665]

It's right in this video did you not watch the whole thing?

[@HemiDartGT]

@@terry3665 That's funny, I haden't finished watching yet, Thanks.

[@georgejsalomskasiii3048]

What they dont tell you is that Lucid car is unreachable price wise for the average car buyer.. starting price $250,000

[@davestuart6593]

Man vs computer, Rich man’s Toy…

[@NickWainwright6970]

The future

[@brentmcmillan646]

I’ll save the batteries for my tools.

[@sjsz06]

I’m getting tired of these long ass postings. Get to the point!!!