Can you tell somebody is gay from their face?

[@theo5069]

The idea that ai is being used to identify gay people gives me an icky feeling

[@albinnibla]

ALL AI gives me an Icky feeling, and I am no Luddite by far!

[@viderethevaccinatorfromhol7536]

It's nazi style 2024.

[@nycbearff]

That study, and that process, has serious methodological problems. In the hands of people who think it's a real thing, it can be dangerous. It's not the AI, it's the people who use it, who are dangerous.

[@PowerRedBullTypology]

While I dislike the AI being able to identify them because of things that it may be used for, it does give me the validation that I can always point to such study when you make an argument that someone is likely gay. I'm straight but i've always had a good gaydar. It's just a pattern and you recognize a patttern, but you can not proof it. It does not matter if anyone is gay or straight, but I just like to predict the most as possible about people without knowing them. It feels like a superpower and is a fun game. I'm into personality stems too like mbti which classifies people. Everything is a system if you're smart enough to see it.

[@FarookKMOON]

not just icky for me it's dangerous especially in countries where it's still concidered a crime to be queer and they are installing cameras all over and planning to have it or already are connected to AI analysing those foutages !

[@willem9538]

Why don't they do these with identical twins? In the Netherlands there's a research institute that uses fraternal and identical twins for genetic research, so there should be a way. My brother is straight, I'm gay and we're identical. I still had a gay face. So please scan all the twins where only one is gay

[@PungiFungi]

Studies showed that identical twins who grew up apart grown up to be more alike in terms of personality, mannerism, etc than twins who grew up together, as they often try to establish their own identity from the other.

[@viderethevaccinatorfromhol7536]

I read somewhere that identical twins are more likely to have the same sexual orientation. Likely. Definitely not a sealed study.

[@viderethevaccinatorfromhol7536]

But still, enorm interessant!

[@willem9538]

​@@viderethevaccinatorfromhol7536 Actually research in the Netherlands has shown that it's more likely for both identical and fraternal twins that only one is gay, but with identical the likelihood of both being gay is higher than with fraternal.

[@doodleblockwell2610]

64 year old identical twin here. I am gay and my brother is straight. My family created countless photos of the two of us posing in front of the camera as kids. We were quite identical looking. We even came in 2nd place in the Los Angeles County Fair in 1965. Just about every family member comments.."I can tell you apart by your eyes." So I would tend to agree that the eyes are special in this way.

[@b_he_him]

as a gay indian guy whenever i am in a gay bar people assume i am straight and only there to support.. the stereotypes prevent gay men from socializing with me.. its 2024 but still stereotypes 🤷‍♂️ i guess media is a reason.. if there were gay indian models things might be different i hope to become one someday 😄

[@soumyajoseph7429]

My gaydar only works for white gay men since, as you point out, that is the stereotype. I'm working on it to get it recalibrated to include sexualities between intersections. I also sometimes mistake white gay men for het.

[@anvithequarsonist]

There's less representation for people of color in general, unfortunately. Being queer and Indian is somewhat easier to go undercover, but it would help if the stereotypes were less set in stone. Good luck to you on becoming one!

[@Paradisemisplaced]

This! I have a really flat affect and am constantly called "an allie"when I go out 🙄💀💀

[@LigmaBalls500]

🤷‍♂😄

[@LigmaBalls500]

@@Paradisemisplaced 🙄💀💀

[@tjvanderwalt92]

As a gay man, I figured two things out when it gets to coming across as gay - Using your neck when talking Using your hips when walking

[@originalslicey]

Yep. And (butch) lesbians tend to walk with their shoulders like straight men do.

[@dinoman6123]

damn the neck thing is to true

[@BearBeatzu]

Hey don’t call me out like that

[@ManyArmedMooseDei]

Personally I take not of hand and eye movements when talking, as well as hips in walking and posing; I walk VERY fast, utilising all parts of my lower body. Then in talking or listening I often use my hands to convey things, or articulate my eyebrows while keeping my eyes at their usual partly closed look, which could come off as tired or dirty depending on the rest of my expression. But how do you mean neck? I know some people including myself might cock their head to one side at times, but that’s one’s head, not neck.

[@JoseGonzalez-wj8nz]

Also the way you stand up or just stand.

[@spencermarkham1]

I notice that many gay men (including the older ones) have boyish puppy eyes, large cute innocent eyes. It’s one reason why gay men are seen as more youthful, even adolescent.

[@PungiFungi]

And when they smile, they show their teeth a bit too much.

[@BabyMaharaja0]

predatory eyes and deprived

[@MrMountainchris]

Cuz we aren't weighed down by the horror of having children.

[@Luke-ep7zk]

@@BabyMaharaja0 “deprived” 😭

[@nycbearff]

Well, except for the millions of gay men who have small eyes and normal sized eyes. What you're telling us is what you look for - not what all gay men are like.

[@phutilanga2047]

Funny these studies don't say much about eyes.👀 My gaydar depends a lot on eyes🙆🏾‍♂️.

[@clarenceeugene5166]

My comment also mentions this!

[@REDchairDIARIES]

Yes to gay face and gay voice. I’ve been out 50+ years. I have a fey lilt to my voice! So, we all have something. No science background so it’s a surmisal only.

[@theYorkies]

Is it like if you go to the gym and if their eyes are like checking on you, then they might be gay? 🤣

[@albinnibla]

@@theYorkies 😆

[@Fabdanc]

@@theYorkies deceased

[@spudmadethis]

My gaydar is just autistic pattern recognition and a deep need to only be around safe people.

[@connorscorner443]

Gosh darn I can relate

[@ShovelChef]

I scrolled for this, and I didn't have to scroll far. I'm not even surprised. 😌☕

[@birdnird]

❤❤❤

[@AlexAnder-rv1gu]

"need to only be around safe people" -- you have been conditioned (inappropriately) by certain people and narrative-pushers around you. I also used to think like that. I didn't have my first real hetero-friend until I was 25 y/o. But once I did, I realized what kind of 'bro' bond I had been missing out on. And as time progressed, and I left my self-confines of 'fear' of "unsafe" people (hetero men), I realized that hetero men were FAR less 'dangerous' or 'aggressive' or 'mean' or 'discriminatory' (or whatever other word I had used to paint them all 'unsafe') than I had been groomed to think they were. The people who control society are working very hard to push these divisionary thoughts upon you. Because this is how they get 'votes' (or clout or influence or monetary control) - votes based upon your fears of 'the other', rather than based on what that person can do to better society as a whole.

[@spudmadethis]

@@AlexAnder-rv1gu you are making a whole load of leaps that don’t apply to me in your statement. I’m sorry you’ve had that experience but it is not mine so please don’t assume you have the first clue about my use of safe people.

[@PowerRedBullTypology]

The contrast between such a serious subject like such research and 2 obviously gay guys talking about it in a funny way makes the video funny as well as informative. Usually, the 'serious' research topics are not hosted in such a way

[@Ratigan2]

I think what leads people to have "gay features" is less on their biology and more on how they want to present themselves in the environment in which they live in. In a hostile environment, say Uganda for example, you would probably have a harder time identifying queer people as well as having a large portion of the population not realizing their queer self. Society has the biggest influence on the way a queer person would alter their behaviour and appearance.

[@CharGC123]

I agree, I think grooming, expression, and affect play a far bigger role than actual features. If I saw a head shot of Jonathan VanNess, for example, looking serious, I wouldn't guess he was gay. But when he cocks his head and does that cheesy grin, brings his hands into the frame, or pans out, it's pretty obvious. When he speaks it's even more apparent, but even so... I used to have this huge crush on a really cute guy in HS, and pretty much shadowed him... until I heard him speak. He had very "gay sounding" effeminate speech, so my high hopes were dashed. Years later I ran into him at a class reunion... with his gorgeous wife of 25 years. Ya just never know.

[@childfreesingleandatheist8899]

@Ratigan2: Or it could be that gay people in Uganda don't want their biological "gay features" to be displayed in a hostile environment. Therefore, they learn or their parents teach them to supress these biological gay features like being very flamboyant. Nevertheless, their gay features are still stronly dependent on their biology.

[@jadapinkett1656]

There is no such thing as "queer." Just admit that you're a cult member.

[@g7g.productions211]

Yes, I think a lot of the time people will present themselves as gay to make themselves appear available to to other gay men. The same way straight people will try and attract the attention of a woman they find attractive.

[@alien3.0c]

holy, first transformice profile picture I have seen in years

[@skybluskyblueify]

A person's face is shaped by their speech tendencies and the language they speak. I wonder if this is a small part of the cause for "gay face"?

[@bekanimal]

Interesting theory!

[@dknelson]

I haven’t read any research on this, but I’ve had the same observation. For example, I’ve noticed that people from different genetic backgrounds can have similar facial characteristics when they’re from the same geographic area. For example George W. Bush’s face has a definite “Texas“ look. I theorize that it’s caused by environment (a lot of Texans have squinty eyes (from the sun?) diet, mirroring behavior, and accent which, overtime, via repeated muscle usage, and jaw set, can imprint itself on a face.

[@chetyoubetya8565]

Really so what about deaf gay people who almost never use spoken word??

[@bekanimal]

@@chetyoubetya8565 .. they didn't say it is a 100% rule that is ALWAYS the case. Also, well -- what if the deaf gay people DON'T have that same type of face, then (which would strengthen OP's theory)? Gotta see the sample of that demographic. That's why it's a theory, anyway .. needs to be tested

[@francoo.m.]

No i don't think so. Just imagine a gay man speaking German and a hetero man speaking French. You'd distinguish them anyway..

[@tottyRICE]

It's crazy how a study is focused on physical traits doesn't include POC 🤦

[@leefrancis007]

Black gays are hard to detect

[@buddatobi]

It’s called controlling for variables

[@sc-cv1jr]

I agree. I’m an Asian gay man with a short forehead and long nose.

[@b5fremdet]

Of course someone brings up color😂

[@mikebramlett445]

It's a fair criticism of the AI parameters, but these scientists aren't coders they're not going to be able to fix AI's bias with people of color. seems like they had no choice, unless they are scientists with double major in some sort of coding and whatever social science they are publishing in. Let's not lower our expectations, just redirect them to the people who are responsible. Like the other studies that didn't use AI, those scientist made a choice to exclude POC. Great episode!

[@russellvk]

I remember when y'all first started doing on-camera videos and my gay-ass instantly thought, "I think they're gay!"

[@maybenaught]

Ok, some male celebrities that don't have gay face, imo: Gus Kenworthy, Colton Haynes, Steve Grand, Billy Eichner (I agree there), Wentworth Miller... Frankly, I think a lot of it is how people carry and express themselves. Some gay faces are only easy to see after you know they belong to a gay. The other question is: can AI tell if someone is gay or European based on their faces?

[@Raenafyn]

He's gay! And European! 🎵

[@lxstcheckll9348]

His looks gay by overall inspection and no beard, Colton Hayes looks gays in the regular just some photos makes him look straight, Steve grand doesn’t look gay but he’s body does idk why, Billy I can’t tell tbh, wentworth miller just looks both tbh.

[@lxstcheckll9348]

However miller when he’s younger self I can’t tell

[@randychampion184]

I gotta say with all those guys, even if it wasn't immediately apparent from their faces (at least in their acting), that they were gay when I heard that they were, I had no difficulty in believing/seeing it after that.

[@joethecounselor]

Gay guy without gay face: Ian McKellen. Completely caught me off guard.

[@dhawkins1234]

I dunno, if you Google photos of him when he was young it's a bit more obvious. Very boyish looking in his twenties.

[@smorrow]

Dave Ruben

[@ManyArmedMooseDei]

Without accessories, my face is pretty indifferent about being gay, with its strong lines and scars, but for my eyes; naturally excellent eyelashes and almost always partly closed looking eyes. I’m like a gothic version of Beau from animal crossing in terms of default expression. I even wear jumpers rather often, albeit ones with sigils & images of gothic things on them. TLDR; One should note, there are (at least) fifty shades of gay.

[@mattybrunolucaszeneresalas9072]

@@dhawkins1234How obvious????? Oh cool so he didn’t crack that’s not relevant

[@kellyrobinson1780]

There are always exceptions to the rule. For example: Raymond Burr Will Geer A friend of mine from high school. Not effeminate at all in speech or mannerisms, not overly butch, just a guy. Motorhead, football fan and sandlot player...(Now that I think of it, there was a pro football player who came out like 40 years ago). And a guy I met once in a weekly meeting type of situation. The group met for 12 weeks, and about 3 or 4 weeks in, "gay" came up in the discussions, and relevant to that, he outed himself to the group. I never would have had a clue. My gaydar is reasonably accurate, but all these guys were "stealth gay". But today, there's another ingredient in the mix. I've noticed that men in general seem to have softer voices in generally higher pitches than they did decades ago, and their mannerisms have become more feminized, and I wonder "wtf?". Is it trendy these days for guys to sound and act like they COULD be gay, or maybe is it that gay men are more comfortable in letting it show than they used to be, so I seem to see it more? I dunno.

[@paulh2981]

A very long time ago, someone told me that gay men have "twinkly eyes." I wondered for years what that meant, even though at times I believed I could see it in some gay people. I think it has to do with being more facially expressive (which would be in line with using a bigger range of vocal tones) and part of that includes showing more expression with ones eyes, making the eyes appear "livelier."

[@mistressofstones]

Gay men gesture with their eyes more in my experience. Gay men can often use subtle movements of the eyes to look seductive or cheeky, in ways I basically never see straight men do. And there's vivaciousness.

[@royery]

It's always been a dilemma for me to identify a gay man. Unfortunately for me, I'm only attracted to masculine gays so most of the time when I see a guy I like that is not in gay clubs/scene, I don't know if he's gay or not. And I'm too shy to flirt without even knowing...

[@justmeajah]

😮

[@zyrosqrd2552]

I try to look at a guy's face to get a hint if he might be gay; but sometimes I can't see his face because I'm sitting on it, so i have to look for other signs.

[@FIXINIT3]

real

[@cobuck4007]

Did you guys mean concave cheeks instead convex? Convex would be cheeks that stick out. Concave would be cheeks that are “caved” in.

[@ryanpriye1402]

Ig they could mean the actual cheekbone that sticks out instead of the check hollows

[@cobuck4007]

@@ryanpriye1402 Good point. Cheeks can be both concave and convex at the same time.

[@DC-FGC]

@@cobuck4007 fwiw I wondered the same thing. To me, stereotypical "gay face" has sunken cheeks, but of course sunken cheeks have more pronounced cheekbones. So it does make sense if the study meant the cheekbones rather than the meaty part.

[@PhilipposACosta]

As a scientist that is trying to figure out cancer, I was actually wondering the other way around. With so many modern techniques and robust methods of conducting clinical research, why haven’t we got more definitive answers about gay topics.

[@ThatOneVoiceInMyHead]

So I don't recall the study or where I heard it, but there was a study on Couples who tend to have similar looking faces, and the study concluded the longer they had been together, the more similar they looked to each other, and the reasoning is because they spend a lot of time together, and thus their experiences and environment were similar, so those things were having effects on their appearance. I wonder if that has anything to do with gay/straight/political face. Could they be having these similar facial appearances, not strictly because of biology, but environment and experiences?

[@PowerRedBullTypology]

I think a more logical conclusion would be that indeed people feel attracted to similar looking faces. However, since when they age they also develop the same type of wrinkles because hte face structure looks alike, there are just more (in quantity) traits availiable in the face to look alike. Also, in my own observation when age I find their feaces become more and mroe stereotypes. So a girl with a pointy chin when she's 12 will likely have a super pointy twin when she's 35. It seems each stage of growth deforms us more and deviates us further from the balanced middleground. However, all just reasoning and basically guessing here

[@__G__-]

I can tell by the eyes. I don't know what it is but there is something that is just a little off about the look in a gay man's eyes. It's not good or bad, it's just different and I can usually pick up on that.

[@Ratigan2]

shit lend me those superpowers plwease

[@craigstephenson7676]

I think that’s more of behavior than morphology. I notice the same thing, gay men tend to be more expressive with their eyes. While most straight people I interact with, regardless of gender, tend to either be making eye contact or looking away in conversation, a lot of gay men will talk with their eyes.

[@Ratigan2]

@@craigstephenson7676 I wonder if women have this same observation. Maybe the reason why gay men's eyes are so expressive is because they be checkin' you out👅👅

[@VincentStevenStudio]

Yeah, I think our brain is just able to catch those subtle changes. We are programmed to distinguish feminine behavior from masculine behavior. A masculine man doesn't tilt his head when he smiles. A woman does that. So when a man does that, it's coming off as feminine, which equals GAY.

[@zussman_]

The big puppy eyes 😝

[@davidstrickler5362]

Gay men tend to have brighter, happier eyes. Like, their eyes are smiling.

[@zussman_]

Accurate

[@davidpar2]

Sometimes, yes. I knew Lance Bass was gay from the moment I first saw him in the 90s, for example. Sam Smith has those same, unmistakable “gay” features. Soft(er) features, widened eyes, “pillowface,” arched eyebrows, etc. are traits of “gay face.”

[@sator666666]

As a programmer, I have been developing a facial recognition program using AI algorithms and I have to say that there is a huge problem with recognising black faces. You actually have to use a whole separate neural network just for black faces. It is difficult to recognise details because everything is dark.

[@myredpencil]

True! It's not meant as an offense, but that the tones are hard to decipher & modulate due to their depth. My man is black & he is lovely, but photos don't do him justice. My son is an AI creator & we have talked about this as well.

[@PDM-95]

I worked at a restaurant, and almost all of my coworkers were gay. Aside from style and mannerisms, there is a look in the eyes that almost all of them had that were similar. One guy didn’t have any tell take signs until he had some drinks. That’s when the physical mannerisms would come out. Interesting that they even have studies on this.

[@Fabdanc]

... Looks at own profile picture... gay face.

[@Blue-rz7rm]

My roommate once told me I had “Old Gay Face.”

[@cliveroberts8760]

Didnt realize you guys had a podcast! So glad I found it.

[@myredpencil]

I've been saying it for years, that exposure to hormone levels during gestation affects your sexuality! I'm straight but have a trans sister>brother and a gay cousin that I lived with. I've grown up watching these differences & I'm now a certified doula and have studied pregnancy and fetal development my whole life. Yes, you're made to be who you are. So just go enjoy it!

[@Magnocalabro]

Although being gay and being trans are two completely different things.

[@artax5005]

Nope, gender Identity is not related to hormone levels (or binding of these) during gestation. Gender identity seems correlated to BNST and hypothalamos hooked nucleus, and maybe to more areas. Sexual orientation and gender identity are connected, but the develop in different ways, and the first one doen't determine the second one.

[@Magnocalabro]

@@artax5005 There's not a single proof or evidence about the existence of a gendered brain (myth that has been debunked by many scientists), and the very idea that there's a "man's brain" and "woman's brain" is sexist and reactionary. I think gender dysphoria falls under the spectrum of psychiatric conditions that could be potentially cured without the "transitioning" thing. Science should evolve in such a way that neural stem cells will be used to replace the damaged brain tissues that cause this, instead of smashing the body with the opposite sex hormones and removing one's sexual characteristics through surgeries, which is unnatural and against the biology of the body.

[@llthgig]

2:30: "Okay, scientists still haven't figured out cancer... why are we going so ham on gay face?"

[@republiccooper]

Check Thomas N. Seyfried.

[@kingchucklesii2197]

I've never understood why it matters if being gay is a choice or not. Supposed to be a free country, yea? 🏳️‍🌈❤

[@gwenmarcus3712]

I know nothing about this topic, so forgive me if I'm way off, but... I think part of the point is that you cannot be 'groomed' into being gay - you just are or are not. I hear a lot of conservatives expressing fear that 'groomers' will be allowed to 'turn' their kids gay. An example is conservatives get so upset about drag queens reading books to kids at school or libraries which is, apparently, a 'thing'. They seem to be making three false assumptions: that all drag queens are gay, that gay people want to 'convert' kids to being gay, and that gay people and/or drag queens are pedophiles, which I know is not the case. So, it's important to make people aware that the supposed 'grooming' is not taking place, and that it wouldn't work anyway. Plus, this knowledge would let parents/teachers/etc relax a bit, and just let kids grow up to be who they are meant to be.

[@ulrichwarthen]

​@@gwenmarcus3712 the only "grooming" that can come from this is probably kids becoming interested in gay cultures and mannerisms, but I heavily doubt that it'll affect their sexual orientation.

[@VEGAS-NERVE]

Because 99.9% of homosexuality stems form the belief that being gay ISN’T a choice.

[@mjinba07]

Calling it a choice is just a strategy for criticism or attack. It implies willful disobedience of social norms, and then that supposedly excuses bullying. The real issue is the bullying.

[@Gracken-k5e]

To be fair on the AI, if they were to include black faces they would have to have separate studies due to POV's having different face shapes in general and depending on where the test was taken, the majority of the people could have been white. The same reason for why the AI couldn't produce a black doctor because it's data was either very limited or none at all which is reflective of real life, not a lot of doctors are black and for them to be included in the AI, their has to be photos of them, which since their are more white doctors their are going be hundreds of thousands of more pictures of white doctors. Another thing to understand is that the AI doesn't understand language like us, it's making an educated guess. When you write 'black' doctor, the AI may interrupt that as a doctor in a black suit and if the data pool on actual black doctors is low, it'll draw that meaning from elsewhere or straight up ignore it because it doesn't understand.

[@thefilipinojoe]

My dad once pointed out the fact that I had a big forehead, saying that he didn’t know who I got that from. In hindsight, I should have answered, “From Uncle Al,” which was probably true.

[@saal0]

Damn first time watching the pod and I love Greg's energy. I love well-informed hostility towards injustice.

[@LesNessman2001]

11:00 this is an easy, fun conversation for me (straight old white guy)… we have to occasionally remind ourselves that for some, these traits can be concerning and upsetting. To ALL, at the end of the day, literally none of this matters. Feel free to be you! If you’re gay, and don’t have a “gay trait”, you’re even more unique and better than you know.

[@YochevedDesigns]

I can spot a gay man a mile away, but I've found that in women over 50 it gets really hard to tell. As a 50 something lesbian, I find this very frustrating!

[@jadapinkett1656]

You wouldn't be able to spot me.

[@Ceerads]

Gay guys don’t all have big foreheads. I know many straight guys have large foreheads. It depends in part on one’s ethnicity. Nordic people often have big heads and big foreheads, no matter their sexual orientation. These studies sound specious.

[@zyrosqrd2552]

Theory: gay men having a bigger forehead could be an anatomical adaptation to protect the brain when that forehead is being repeatedly slammed into a pubic bone. Sounds logical, yeah?

[@rbo7]

🤣🤣🤣

[@makeupandmusicgirl]

Ope 😂😂

[@myredpencil]

Straight guys who go down are more likely to survive too! I'll let 'im live.😂

[@VocalEdgeTV]

Y’all both sitting there with Gay Face, like blatant.

[@Χέιζελ]

I’ve been told I have a gay face over 4 times by completely different people that had no relation to the other, so now I’m here. I didn’t know that was even a thing 😭😔

[@meganekkoshotaz3117]

Yea, my friend is always assumed as a butch. He's a dude.

[@BRUXXUS]

I like BigClive's theory that gays tend to learn more into the creative/technical side of society so they can create, maintain, and pursue lives without having to spend so much time and energy on raising children. I suppose that also sorta goes along with the "gay uncle" theory. 🤔

[@justmeajah]

Uuuu what is a gay uncle theory?

[@BRUXXUS]

@@justmeajah That the reason the more older brothers a guy has, the higher the chance he'll be gay. This means he'll be able to help raise and protect the kids and family without having to worry about breeding himself. It both provides extra family members to help ensure their survival, while also limiting number of new kids being born. Sort of nature's population control with extra benefits.

[@justmeajah]

@@BRUXXUS wow 😮😮😮

[@nicholewojtanowski43]

I loved the 137 Heterosexual Gay Men involved in that study. 💜🥰

[@lxstcheckll9348]

What. I think I know what you mean because study with women heterosexual are also attracted to women like 66% and the rest is simplying attracted to men 34%. Which is influence with hormones, more imbalanced is for both and the one balance is one. It like menstrual cycle reason show similar result but mostly due to the indirect effect of diet and hormone and we know must people have bad diets

[@gabesawesome5766]

@@lxstcheckll9348 that’s what they said lol. Misspeak.

[@jzen1455]

How dare they exclude lesbian men! Men can be lesbians too!!!

[@zyzyx4157]

You can tell they’re gay if they start talking about it randomly saying “I have no problem with gay people” or start talking about “don’t ask don’t tell”

[@BruceHurley]

I say those things all the time and I'm so straight that I eat a banana with a knife and fork!

[@TheDude0fLife]

For me it's a combination of things, appearance, mannerisms and speech. It's not 100%, some gay men don't show it as much, but most do so it's pretty easy and it takes about five seconds to tell.

[@gachamansama3703]

This is pretty funny and informative. Love to see this stuff bro

[@mysterroniouscherry326]

Most of the time I can see someone is gay from their face, postures, voice, even if they are very masculine jock guy. Sometimes it’s just the twinkle in the eyes or how they gaze. And I’m gay btw😂

[@bestusernameever6518]

The twinkle in the eye is such an apt description. Gay people have more energetic/expressive eyes.

[@jadapinkett1656]

​@@bestusernameever6518 My eyes look dead and stoic.

[@Gregavision]

As a teenager, before I gained weight and stuff, people often commented on my big forehead and nose. I've also always had a number of personality traits that made people think I was gay, but I'm actually 1000% only attracted to women. To make things even more complicated I've always kinda wanted to be a girl, but don't think I'm trans, and have consistently been into bi women without knowing they were bi.. Someone please study me, I want a brain scan lol

[@cthulhutheendless1587]

It’s interesting how gay slang evolves because now I only hear “for shizzle” and “fo’ shizz” from my straight guy friends (and always spoken ironically)

[@richiejohnson]

shizzle is black argot, not gay

[@OJennifer13]

That’s literally a blk slang, not gay!

[@420Ragnarok]

I respect you thinking and asking about an existential question.

[@tacticalsapper]

Don't forget 0:29, the gay laughter.

[@vicdemattia7452]

I don't know about what others are commenting on, but you guys absolutely crack me up!!

[@l.s.9671]

closeted gays like me. You'd never guess i was gay as my life depends on appearing straight :')

[@Lemonadebro]

I think it's more of a semi social, semi biological thing to be gay. I personally find both genders attractive for different reasons, and different traits are cool in both.

[@cargilekm]

I am a 71-year-old white male. Would your research about Gay Face be checked on older people? As a straight man I can remember men I have met in the past that I would perceive to be gay. they were all younger men. I can't think I ever saw an older man that made me think he would be gay. Cheers

[@mistressofstones]

Sadly there are probably less gay men in your age range. Being a young gay man in the 60s and 70s wasn't fun. Depending upon where you lived it was illegal and anti gay propaganda was being made. Many people ended their own lives or others did for them (I can't say proper words or youtube will delete my comment), and in the 1980s and 90s many men passed away of AIDS while they were blamed for it. If you meet an open gay men in your age range be very kind to him and look out for him xxx

[@kreepinnkrawlin2614]

Im extremely gay and everyone is always super surprised when they find out because of my extreme lack of gay face 🥴

[@cereyza]

THE QUARRELLING ABOUT YOUR FOREHEADS LMFAO

[@BramptonHughes]

It's not so much the features but the expressions, I think gays are more expressive with their face

[@charlesterry2480]

1:10 if I called you you mean something that is randomly associated with gay people within a certain region

[@FakeMaker]

I'm straight, but over the years, there's been quite a few people who thought I'm gay just based on my face for some reason. Once they heard me talk even for a second though, they were like "Oh..." lol. I don't mind it one bit though, it has lead to some funny interactions and great conversations.

[@AndyGrouch]

I had a colleague who was gay. I didn't know he was gay for many years, it was really surprising to me because he didn't seem gay at all. But after I discovered he was gay, he started to look and sound gay to me. I'm pretty sure lot of it is how your brain process things. Usually though, gay men are easy to spot, latest when you talk to them.

[@Nb-ll8kp]

That was a great conversation, love how you tackled such controversial topics, and great sense of humor thank you

[@Showerskittles]

I think you're assuming that science is racist. But the politics around race is so convoluted at this point that you could be considered racist for doing a study that might implicate protected class people or minorities it's a liability and that's probably why they aren't included in the study. Including them could be racist but excluding them could also be racist.

[@dennis-qu7bs]

Side eye, pursed lips, head bobbing , always smiling or laughing

[@ethanamazing]

AI isn't racist! Keep us black people out of your databases! (jokes mostly but plz no AI takeover)

[@Knytz]

AI is just AI. It uses information and stuff around the internet so

[@PrinceArthur636]

@@Knytz he was talking more about being happy to be distanced from a.i. It's getting insane

[@oshifish2]

I really enjoyed how you presented both studies ( voice and face). It made me think of how much we have yet to know about the conditions faced in the womb or different body chemistry. I learned long ago how a spike of estrogen inutero can give the "male breasts" effect. Just by a spike of estrogen! Its fascinating and a bit scary what our bodies are capable of. Great point on the pros and cons of such studies in the right hands! New sub! Love from Edinburgh Scotland. xx

[@PiPaPoPedram]

I feel like being said that you have a gay face in most cases just means that you look very clean, you have good skincare and you meticulously take care of your appearance.

[@TheTruth-cy4le]

I can't tell by their face as easily as I can tell by their walk. I talked to a carpet salesman fresh off the boat from Egypt the other day and though he had a strong Arabic accent his speech mannerisms were distinctly gay, which is interesting. Most American gays will suppress their gay speech patterns when talking to a straight guy, but either he hadn't yet learned to do that or he mistook me for gay as I am a fit and trim, well-groomed, well dressed and well spoken middle-aged guy, but straight.

[@ethervagabond]

at 4:05 you say "52 lesbian women, 134 heterosexual women, 77 gay men, 127 heterosexual gay men." Lol what is a heterosexual gay man?

[@mlersk8830]

Everything deserves to be studied, everything is interesting! Another awesome video guys! 🥰🥰

[@ruffmeow9893]

gay face is real

[@nuggamusic]

Gay celebrities without gay faces: Judas Priest's Rob Halford, or Wentworth Miller.

[@meganekkoshotaz3117]

Nah, he zesty

[@Mistmantle88]

The wide-eyed look (which we call “crazy eyes” especially when women do it) is a dead giveaway if it is a regular occurrence.

[@LittleJoeTheMoonlightCat]

It's how Gay men carry themselves verses Straight Men, Posture, and Walk. I think another thing about gay face is the way expressions might be made. So are you two Partners, or just friends, I'm A Straight Guy with friends that are gay. Last night I had the most wonderful Dream, A Ginger Woman with green eyes, but then I woke up and she didn't follow. I could tell That Jacob Brent was Gay when he was Mistoffelees in CATS just by the way he acted, seriously Misto is the Gayest Jellicle Cat, and Tugger is his Partner.

[@PowerRedBullTypology]

It's odd to assume these differences in facial features are different for other races. Its problably just the same pattern repeating itself because hormones influence the face. The more you imply ther must be a difference, the more you imply there is actual a significant different between ethnical groups.

[@thenoblerot]

My gaydar is so good I know before they do 💅 And speaking as a life long dog owner - I swear I've known a couple distinctly gay dogs 🐾 🌈

[@davidmcdade3763]

I think the perception in respondents of a "bigger than average forehead" could be just a relative-proprtion thing , actually because of a smaller lower jaw..? The really butch thing is a heavy lower jaw, right?

[@borisl5119]

The forehead bit sent me into doing too much frontal cortex research which none of was conclusive into why the forehead's shape/size might have anything to with being gay. Our frontal cortex serves a whole lot of functions and nothing typical associated with whatever the hell people think gay people are associated with.... other than more facial movements, more complex hand movements, and MAYBE spatial awareness... maybe :P

[@injunsun]

Hey, Greg, from another Greg (my given first name). I have known two gay guys who looked JUST like you. Both were actually true blondes. One was about 6'2", very Nordic looking (his last name was Nielsen so...), while the other was about 5'5", and I think he was a blend of Irish and German. Anyway, same eyes, same general facial proportions, even similar facial expressions to yours, similar down to choosing the round-lensed glasses! One got me into being vegetarian, the other I got with just once (not complaining, but I am not into Vienna sausages). While I am happily married, I do have a touch of husband envy of your husband for having you to look at. I wish you both well! Oh, btw, I had both Human Osteology and Intro to Forensic Anth under the 2nd Professor under Dr. Bass, of the Bass Collection at UT Knoxville. You may have heard of "The Body Farm." They don't call it that. Anyway, from my lessons, we learned how to distinguish basics of age, sex, and major racial component. Overlap complicates that, of course. Point being: females tend to have larger brows, because their frontal bones keep growing longer than men, while males tend to have larger jaws for the same reason. Thus, if these facts about gay folks bear out, it truly shows that we do have some cross-sexed characteristics that help explain who and why we exist. Natural Selection is always on, fellas. We persist, because we matter. #HappyPride

[@injunsun]

Oh, btw, talking of that later boys in the sibship thing my late husband, from a sibship of 9, was the 5th boy. He was technically bi, I suppose. He doted on his mom, and his family. We showed up for every kids' birthday party, all the holidays, we took the kids everywhere, and he made sure they had a car upon h.s. graduation. His family didn't give a penny toward his services. He is in a bag, in a box, on an unused, pre-digital t.v., in our now unused living room. There is essentially a shrine, with the things of his, and ours, including our wedding album, filled to the back page with every movie ticket and county fair ticket we ever attended. Tell each other often of your love, and touch each other tenderly. You never know when it will come to an end. May you both live long, and die together, of ancient old age, in bed, asleep and never know the pain of that loss.

[@oshifish2]

I think they are onto something with clocking to an extent where people are from! I am American now living in Scotland. I live in an extremely trafficked destination city in Europe ( Edinburgh Scotland). I now can clock an American from a mile away! Just nuances and how they present! Its wild. I never thought living most of my life in America I would be clocking Americans! Also people from the city vs outskirts can be tough but sometimes very easy!

[@johncoleman5231]

My thoughts about AI predicting your politics Im am thinking is more racial and gender profiling along with micro genetics based on where you are from in your state. Like y’all said you can tell a New Yorker, I can often tell if someone was born and raised in certain areas of Texas based on their facial features. My opinion is this will go the way of Phrenology - the popular Victorian era pseudo-science where scientists studied the bumps on your head to determine character traits. This is also interesting, having formerly owned a medical spa. I feel my husband was a genius with working with gay men and transitioning male to female. He was just naturally good at giving them the look they wanted. But not all injectors are naturals and need to know where to start. I think this information is important to help medical spa physicians and injectors better perfect their art in helping their patient achieve the look they are wanting. Like you said, there are gay males who just don’t look gay but want to look more like who they feel they are. My husband knew to bring their cheek pads forward, to thin 😂out the jaw line and fill out the forehead. But it’s nice to know this validates what he was doing.

[@Man_of_Tomorrow]

I can tell by the smile. Never been able to understand what it is, but most of the time it's the smile/mouth. Sharper corners of the mouth, tighter against the teeth or something.

[@chrisaga6253]

The Pinocchio forehead thing was hilarious

[@lemonlazer5687]

It’s hard to see someone’s face without seeing their mannerisms. Mannerisms would on the whole make it obvious who is straight and who is gay

[@Robinicat]

I think if one is judging from a photo, they would likely not be able to tell. It's more the mannerisms that give it away.

[@PeterS123101]

I would not have expected that AI can detect gays. It may also be the pose rather than the face alone.

[@ScottA2345]

EYES!! My gaydar works best when looking at a still shot of someone's face straight on. It has to do with a lack of symmetry in the eyes. In gay men, one eye will appear larger/brighter and more directly focused/fixated. The other will appear less intense - more relaxed. Not that ALL gay men have this feature, but whenever I have seen it, I eventually learn that the person is gay. And those who do have it, have it in varying degree. That is - with some, this trait just jumps out at you all the time, with others it appears in some photos, but not others.

[@mistressofstones]

Hahaha wonky gay eye 😂

[@DoeMeNeek]

I feel the big thing i notice in gay men is that it seems like they show more emotion, arent so "gotta be a stoic manly man" vibe... that would go with more pitch variations i would think... like the super butch women i know seem to take the emotional "melodic" quality out of "woman-voice"... maybe?

[@randychampion184]

Short answer: yes!

[@Apollo_Blaze]

Yes.

[@jadapinkett1656]

No.

[@keiryeleison2933]

Gay face? Most people took me as a girl rather than gay. I wear hooded jackets and pants, and wear mask also. Yet people still think I'm a woman rather than a gay man.

[@LesNessman2001]

12:04 or the fact that they have nice hair, well trimmed beards, and know what a “facial routine” is…

[@PEWPlays]

how bout the pretty face of Nicholas Galitzine

[@baszon06]

About those gay men who aren't gay looking, you don't need to go that far, an actor who plays Anthony in Brigerton is gay and i haven't been able to notice it until the third season came out, I'm actually really good at reading faces and it surprised me when i read somewhere about it 😅

[@justmeajah]

Jonathan Bailey 💙

[@a-lc5le]

looking at someone face is a good indication but not giveaway, i personally have watched that gay men are much more expressive or open their eyes alot, its like they drank 5 cups of coffe

[@charlesterry2480]

25:45 no why do I just not believe that that is literally contradictory? 28:20 what does that even mean 28:43. Why would countries that accept it? Track those things? It’s just trying to find other category where it doesn’t belong. How you look has nothing to do with which gender you’re attracted to

[@GPlul616]

It probably depends on if they've been out for long or not and if they feel comfortable knowing people might perceive them as gay, if they are comfortable they'll probably have more "flamboyant" (not every gay person btw lul) movements/expressions, and those are EASY to read lul.

[@HelgeMoulding]

"If it's genetic we can get rid of it." A point I've made more than once. It shouldn't matter if it's a choice or not, and it's probably not great to put gay men in the same category as, say, trisomy.

[@CiaoRooster]

Gay for 47 years here (only “aware” at age 19)… You, Sir, absolutely have a gay face. A crew neck green t shirt is not the reason I can tell. In part, it also has a lot to do with the way they your lips curl either when talking or even just resting. I suppose your cheaks being convex has something to do with it too (though surely straight men have cheekbones too). Maybe it has something to do with more linear curvature through the face. And you, Sir, have frosted tips after the year 2007, so there are more externalities that betray your gayness. (Snark here is not a dig on gay people, it’s just part of the culture.)

[@elenagosalvez2954]

I always say that even though not all gay guys are handsome, almost all of the most handsome boys are gay in the most normative and conventionally beautiful way possible

[@PartlyXenon]

Both of them, gay AF - and I just met 'em 30" ago. I wish I could explain to those I have offended 😭 These gay phenotypes would CONFIRM homosexuality being something genetic and I always thought that would be a good thing to acknowledge (and abolish pray away the gay ideas). In any case, I'm very glad it's being talked about more relaxed now!

[@hareonthegrove]

Whatever gay face is or not, glad we have y'all on the gay team, cuties 🧡💛💚💙💜