SIG 44/16: The Best Service Pistol, But The Road Not Traveled

[@Zbyhonj]

As soon as you cycled the slide, I knew you would compliment the action. That sound alone said a lot.

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

1947 when almost the whole world is broke and has more weapons than it knows what to do with was probably not the best time to bring out a beautiful but expensive sidearm.

[@mikeblair2594]

And yet that's what the Swiss and Danes did, just one with less rounds to use between reloads.

[@Pprokop87]

well... it tends to be more like: Hey! The war have ended, so lets prepare for the next one!" way of thinking. example? AK-47

[@Szujhinzu]

Nah, new developmental programs were thriving at that time, and many of them were beautiful but expensive, like SIG here or EM-2

[@ivanvoronov3871]

@GYPSY KING FURY sort of. They were expensive to produce Individually but once the Soviets hurt HUGE dedicated factories they were cheap just because of huge economies of scal

[@jameskazd9951]

@DR. JOE ROGAN the original milled versions were, but they quickly made it much cheaper to produce using stamped parts

[@texas66]

Shot show 2021... Sig USA introduces the all new P216 after an early prototype was featured on Forgotten Weapons. Gun Jesus raises another one!!!!!!

[@Taistelukalkkuna]

That would actually be great.

[@BeavisSaves]

I'd dream of buying it.

[@gOnz3r]

@@Jscot1001 My sentiments exactly- They really left a wide ass open space for the CZ 75. If Sig had been making these double stack P210's and kept making them, the CZ 75 might not exist as it does. It might be entirely different. What I mean is- I think there is a good chance that, when they made the CZ 75, they were thinking to themselves, "let's make a P210, but with a staggered magazine".

[@texas66]

@Dutchy sorry, I didn't realize the P216 was actually a thing. I thought I was just making up a name for the new P210 with a 16 round magazine....

[@gOnz3r]

@Dutchy LMAO! Gary MADE UP the P216 as a name for the double stack P210, as a JOKE, because Sig Sauer wouldn't come out with a "Sig 44/16" and it follows their naming scheme. Quick Google next time?

[@richardsveum8452]

So they could have had a higher quality equivalent of the CZ 75 30 years earlier. What a shame that they didn’t develop it further.

[@dbmail545]

I have to wonder if building that as a typical DA/SA would have compromised some of the desirable features on that gun. For sure none of the DA/SA Sigs are as sleek as that gun.

[@BeavisSaves]

Now when you put it that way.... wow...

[@richardsveum8452]

@@dbmail545 the standard CZ75 is really more of a SA/DA design, with the DA meant for second strike on a hard Primer. But yeah I get your point.

[@JackedRado71]

That’s what I thought when I saw it. It looks very similar to a cz75

[@Chiefshadow4]

Lol wat? 210 is by no means higher quality then the cz75. Sincerely 210 owner.

[@TheKinslayer777]

Recently Sig has been re-releasing 210's, it would be cool if they dug up this design for the modern market.

[@donovanchilton5817]

I'd jump on that so fast.

[@lukethespook4361]

SIG doesn't re-release anything, because SIG doesn't really exist anymore. SIG SAUER released a reproduction model based on the SIG P210. IMHO: The SIG SAUER P210 Legend failed to do the original justice, because they compromised its accuracy and reliability in one fell swoop. The SIG SAUER P210 Target isn't really a P210 to begin with, so that's that.

[@lukethespook4361]

@@jovankaynak2159 That's what I learned too. The reproduction guns (german Legends) tried to cut costs anywhere they could. I.e. The frame is no longer forged, but cast. The internals are no longer milled and hardened, but MIM-ed. They used the stainless steel, which is softer and less wear-resistent than the original carbon steel. The guns are no longer polished and blued, but QPQ-baked (which hides imperfections, but looks cool). They redesigned the safety and added 12 additional potential failure points and so on and so forth. Here's a nice review for those interested in the details: larvatus.livejournal.com/283813.html Also, SIG SAUER now fires 5 shots at 25 m to test the precision. SIG fired 10 shots at 50 m. Let that sink in. The SIG Sauer P210 Target is basically a P220 with internal rails. They got rid of basically anything that made the SIG P210 so precise. Btw.: Leon Crottet will add a lateral magazin release for ~ 800.- CHF. If you want a true SIG P210 but don't like the heel mag release, it's definetly worth it. www.waffen-crottet.ch/ I use the -2 for regular training as well. It might be less accurate (not less precise tho) than the -5 and -6, but I'm not nearly good enough to justifiy switching to a -5/-6.

[@126theman]

Wish the new p210s looked like old p210s

[@zachbrummett8309]

I'm not going to buy a standard 210 but I'd love one configured like this to bad there are so few mags that use that grip angle maybe a styre m9 mag?

[@JackedRado71]

I had the weirdest dream last night. Gun Jesus sold me a 10/22 for 800$

[@bigretardhalo]

$800??? Was it a WWRD 10/22?

[@TorquilBletchleySmythe]

@@bigretardhalo just pay the man. It will be the final preproduction prototype with matching numbers and a unique thirty shot magazine.

[@JackedRado71]

Lol it was a standard one with a sticker on the side that said 1998. I took his word for it

[@Chironex_Fleckeri]

@@JackedRado71 🙈🤣

[@nothingtoseehere1221]

Mine was even weirder. The Zip 22 went successful and now people mount these on drones

[@tangero3462]

My profile picture has never been so relevant _We have to go back!_

[@3PercentNeanderhal]

@@piotrgrzelak2613 LoL 10/10

[@TorquilBletchleySmythe]

Someone should buy the production rights and tool up. This is a winner, and with a decent trigger job would become an instant modern classic.

[@noremorsewoodworking2258]

But it would be FAR too expensive - even the surplus 210's sell for more than what a modern SIG costs

[@Haaraff]

@@noremorsewoodworking2258 The SIG P210 Legend is currently in production (Made in Germany costs about $3000, made in USA $2300). A used P210-2 can be had for as little as $800 in Switzerland. SIG-SAUER in Exeter might be your best bet to get this into production.

[@paulshayter1113]

@@Haaraff, In the U.S. the older P210s are fairly expensive. A used 210-2 would probably start at $2000 and go up from there depending on condition. I've seen pristine examples selling for $8000.

[@TorquilBletchleySmythe]

@@noremorsewoodworking2258 besides the beautiful machining, this looks no more complex to manufacture than a high end 1911. And, hey, if it's good, people will buy it.

[@NuGanjaTron]

​@@Haaraff Actually, P210-2s now typically go for around $1200-$1500. Demand has recently risen sharply, notably on behalf of collectors. The 210 Legend addresses what I consider a major problem with the original design, namely the magazine heel release (arrgh!), but in terms of machining, it's not quite in the same league.

"Swedish Shooter's Association" - is that "Skarpskytterörelsen"?

[@nicolaiby1846]

Doesn't translate to English as the same but that's probably what he meant no?

[@RealCadde]

I think it was Svenska SportSkytteFörbundet (SSF) at the time as they were the predecessor formed in 1943 to the current organization which was formed in 2009 as a combination of three different associations. Frivilliga Skytterörelsen, Skarpskytterörelsen and Skytterörelsens Ungdomsorganisation. Today it's name is confusingly enough, Svenska SkytteSportFörbundet (SvSF), basically moving the words around. I would also assume he actually meant to say "Swedish Sport Shooters Association".

[@Memovox]

Never mind. Today it's not the indigenous Swedes who does the shooting in Sweden.

@@Memovox Kan du inte hålla ditt rassegnäll någon annanstans? Det har liksom noll och intet att göra med Forgotten Weapons...

[@Memovox]

@ . Ahh yes.. The old "racist" card..

[@AsbestosMuffins]

I could see this on archer. "Ha, you've got a sig 2/10 and you just fired eight bullets, so you're out of- OW LAAAAANAAAAAA"

[@socialmarauder]

Competition shooters ruin everything good: the Buffington v. Crozier rear sight wars, the marines cocking up the m16a2, and now apparently the nascent p210

[@charlesadams1721]

So, the idea that "competition shooters ruin everything" doe that includes such things as'modern pistol technique,' which includes things like the high grip, the reliance on the 'wondernine' concept, speed reloads, etc. The competition shooters were looking for a competition pistol, not a 'fighting pistol'. Remember up well into the 1980's much of the world was considering the various .380 /9mm Kurz/9mm Makarov as a 'fighting pistol,' suitable for police and military uses. As someone else has pointed out the martial pistol has been considered quite the secondary weapon often more of a status symbol in the military. The rise of the 9 mm in the US is more a function of the bullet improvements than many other factors.

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

@@charlesadams1721 But this was supposed to be designed as a fighting pistol, not a competition pistol. So yes, they ruined it.

[@scottm9605]

@@charlesadams1721 I agree. you see all the "serious" folks at the range practicing these ridiculous techniques that are not nearly as applicable to real life self defense as they think. Don't get me wrong, it's great to practice but compared to the guy that practices weaver and slow firing they aren't getting much more value as it applies to real life.

[@USSEnterpriseA1701]

I'd argue the army people argued for more of the 'undesirable' features of the M16A2 than the marines did. It was the army people that wanted the longer stock, finger bump grip and a couple other features that people commonly complain about. Heck, for the grip, they wanted a full finger groove one, but had to compromise down to the singular bump because the marines said no. Really the main feature that really can be credited/blamed on the marines is the sights, because they wanted the functionality of the M1 and M14 sights back, in fact the reason for the square front post was to mimic the M14's sight picture as perfectly as possible.

[@USSEnterpriseA1701]

@@charlesadams1721 Bullet improvements? Seems to me they are still using plain old FMJ ball at this time and the old Hague Convention still pretty much dictates that (assuming countries still choose to follow it). The M9 served it's entire career with FMJ ball that was not really much different than the German service load of 1908 (9mm Parabellum/Luger/Nato itself dates to 1902, making it actually older than .45 ACP). I don't think the loading has been changed in any substantial way since they dropped the truncated cone shaped bullet for the round nosed shape we know now because it fed better in the 32 rd. 'snail drum' for the Luger and MP18.

[@Magisktification]

This gun is a legend in Sweden. Still ranks high in many competitions due to its superb precision. And its revered as one of the best service type pistols. It kinda has an occult following to be honest 😚

[@wilomica]

I don't know of any of my friends in the military wouldn't prefer more rounds in the magazine. Well that's bureaucracy for you.

[@trevvonhiggle1980]

Different priorities for different purposes. If you're in combat, you want more rounds, if you're firing slowly at a static paper target, you care more about a better hold that allows better accuracy and don't mind reloading more often.

[@theblackbaron4119]

I could list you a lot of benefits that come with living in Switzerland, but to start out, the flag is a big plus. :)

[@rammuh1029]

The Black Baron Can’t be said in Austria - Big minus ;)

[@theblackbaron4119]

@@rammuh1029 Well, it is the same for Latvia, except the bars are of an uneven size. It's a quite slim/narrow minus.

[@NuGanjaTron]

@@rammuh1029 Germany is THREE minuses! :^D

[@NuGanjaTron]

One of the benefits that come with living in Switzerland being.... that as an expat with permanent residency, you can own as many guns as you can afford / accommodate. The Swiss ask very few questions, and automatically assume you have the requisite skills and sense of responsibility. If that isn't unique in Europe, I dunno what is. And like the Brits, they laugh in the face of Brussels. ;^)

[@miketeeveedub5779]

Old military think: "Less bullets to fire means less ammo used - saves us money" Modern military think: "More bullets to fire means more targets hit - wins us battles"

[@ThatGuy-te9wh]

I mean... things have changed.

[@arn1345]

More Dakka

[@PassiveDestroyer]

Also that bullets are still pennies per round, for the government, but that everything else has inflated in price.

[@jackandersen1262]

PassiveDestroyer the benefits of buying in bulk.

[@jkausti6737]

I think it was less about the money and more about having to actually haul all the ammo around in times where outside of train and ship lines you had to use literal horse power to move ammo (and everything else).

[@oso1165]

this is probably a situation where the company should go all apple on the client and just decide they know better than the customer and decide what's best for them 😂

[@nextlifeonearth]

Honestly I think they could have filed down the grip a bit to the metal and have about the same dimensions as the 8 round pistol. There's a significant amount of wood around the handle.

[@nextlifeonearth]

@@jason200912 I thought that had more to do with the reliability of the mags. The grip is ergonomic enough as is. Though these days a reliable double stacked mag should be doable in a modern 1911 clone.

[@erikmoller84]

I purchased a SIG P230 in 1996, albeit a smaller pistol and caliber, and it was the most accurate pistol I have ever fired. Bullseye straight, right out of the box. I cannot imagine, nor have I experienced anything but accurate performance for any SIG, speaking as a US Army Infantryman, NCO and Officer. I have fired many of the world’s military sidearms, and I am in complete agreement, that a combat pistol should not be measured against a target pistol. Great website, by the way. 👍

[@johnkilcer]

When fudds attack.... we adopt an inferior pistol. Lol

[@handlebullshit]

Sweden is kind of the land of fudds, so yeah. Grumpy old men with wooden guns that hade everything else.

[@johnkilcer]

@@handlebullshit don't get me wrong. I love me some fud guns. But I love me some mg, and black rifles. Old, weird, ugly, massive, rube Goldberg, cool. If it has 1 or more and gose bang I'm in.

[@jayzenitram9621]

This is the 210 Sig should've reproduced. What a beaut.

[@Dominik189]

Yeap. This should have been the "Carry" version of the Sig 210.

[@bearcat648]

@@Dominik189 I agree entirely. I don't think the new Sig will take off, it really doesn't make any sense. Most people who know and appreciate the Sig P210, they are going to stick with the Target version with the beautiful wood grips that are suited towards what the P210 is so good at.

[@Dominik189]

@@bearcat648 exactly. Although it could develop a smallish cult like following. The carry isn't bad. It's just low capacity and that's it's main drawback which, for some people isn't a deal-breaker.

[@luisnunes2010]

A 16 round P 210. My coolness meter just exploded!

[@thebeatlesloveisallyouneed]

Vintage designs like this should be brought back and manufactured again! Miss the unique and elegant designs of the early to mid century weapons!

[@somecoder3054]

I wasn't aware Forgotten Weapons did metallic pornography.

[@mrkeogh]

This video should have the Pornhub intro.

[@peterfinland1370]

It is called a "field stripping".

[@somecoder3054]

@@mrkeogh with intrduction by Larry Vickers

[@jayzenitram9621]

What? Metallic pornography is ALL Ian does ...

[@ScottKenny1978]

@@jayzenitram9621 beat me to saying it.

[@JustanOlGuy]

I never realized that Swedes had Teeny,Tiny, Baby hands!

[@mrkeogh]

In fairness, holding a single-stack P210 with Nill walnut grips is like your palm having an orgasm 😂

[@JuliusCeasar224]

"Its as if the universe cried out in an instant ""Biiiiiiiiiiitch"" after hearing the swedes complaints."

[@KTo288]

Darn, I think I might just have stumbled on the junction where Forgotten weapons subscribers intersect and overlap with Garand Thumb ones.

[@knightowl3577]

You mean just like Trumps?

[@JuliusCeasar224]

@@knightowl3577 Libs be like: "body shaming is wrong!" and "Small hands and small dick drumpfers"

[@lanorothwolf2184]

Insert last time I was this early joke

[@richardkluesek4301]

When I become a billionaire I'll have these put into production and equip my retainers and private contrater army. The Papal Swiss Guards will be a targeted customer.

[@JaredAF]

I don't see why Sig USA didn't do the new "P210" as a double stack considering the mags aren't even useable in the old ones, nor is there a single interchangeable part. To make matters worse, they're climbing in price quickly

[@Ph33NIXx]

So this was the mysterious p210 with too many shoots you teased on instagram

[@oldesertguy9616]

Guns used to be so beautiful.

[@patriklindh9875]

Ian i hope you read this. From a Swedish perspective more than 6 rounds don't make sense. Our traditional biggest shooting sports called fältskytte (field shooting) and militär snabbmatch (military speedmatch) you only use 6 rounds. Basicly field shooting is 1-6 targets set in terrain and you got between 5-20 seconds to shot. You don't see the stage before you arrive and you travel by foot or transport with a assigned shooting squad. It's more like IPSC than bullseye shooting. Think IPSC with no reloads and shooter can't move but targets up to 90 m and targets can move such as fall or pop up. Traditional targets include such as car weels, drive hatch for tanks, attack dogs etc

[@megachimp2537]

Weird seeing the grip on this compared to the absolutely massive grip on the Swedish K

[@antep6157]

Where's the Swedish dog😁

[@teggy689]

Man, I don't know why SIG chose to bring back the P210 and then ruin it. If they made an exact replica of this (but for a LOT less $$$) I would have bought one immediately.

[@corvette_jake7225]

Anyone know how to find more Information on old guns? I have a 1968 franchi 12ga shotgun that was bought brand new in Italy by my grandfather and has never been shot, I've tried looking up information about it but I can't find anything. I've tried googling the serial number and everything but can't find any info

[@trefod]

I shot the P210 and I don't get the reverie. I also shot a Hi-Power and completely get it.

[@Atlas_Amadeus]

It would be cool if Ian could get his hands on a China Lake Grenade Launcher and just give us his input *Cough Cough, hint hint, Wink Wink*

[@Nomogizmo111200]

man they need to start making this pistol again!!

[@loyp4328]

That's a pet peeve of mine, but I think you're wrong. One of the requirement of a service pistol is to be, well, useable by all its users. I've seen too many police officers struggling with their P229 or Glock 19 while they are perfectly OK with their military P75, a P225 or the recent G48. Having had the pleasure to get another prototype of the double-stack P210 in my hands, I have to agree that the difference between the two models isn't huge, but it can still handicap a good 20% of a given population. My point is the P210, as a service pistol, and its successor the P220 are probably among the best service pistols ever devised ; they are reasonably accurate, effective, light and ergonomically correct for 99% of their users (including southpaws at a time they were even less considered than homosexuals). Obviously, as long Armies will keep asking the wrong questions (instead of « what is the role of light weapons on today’s battlefield ? what is a sidearm ? what is a PDW ? »), they will have stupid answers. A loaded Glock 42, with two extra magazines and a B&T Impuls-VA sound suppressor weights less (by 5 grams 😀) than an empty Glock 17. Of course, you give up a bit of firepower, but given the function of a military sidearm (status symbol, disciplinary tool, last-ditch self-defense/suicide weapon, and morale/confidence booster), they are mostly dead weight (”ounces equal pounds and pounds equal pain”) that could be traded for more ammunition for the rifle, water, ballistic plates, medical emergency equipment, communication or “force-multiplier” gizmos. The time of full-size sidearms (M9, M17, P75, P8, G17…) is over. They have been replaced in their previous role by light carbines and PDWs since at least fifteen years. It would have been a great idea for SIG to provide that wondernine-before-wondernines to the commercial market anyway. /rant

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

How many police officers were properly trained on their weapons? That sounds like a training problem to me, not an issue with the weapon.

[@loyp4328]

@@Gustav_Kuriga Well, even bad shooters in Switzerland aren't _that_ bad. If this was a solely a training issue, there wouldn't be a great difference between two pistols. But when you shrunk times and group size by half by allowing the shooter to have a good grip, you realize it's not the most important shooting fundamental under 10 meters for nothing. But after all, who need accuracy when you can apply the good ol' NYPD/SAPD method of spray and pray ?

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

@@loyp4328 What are you doing, holding it with one hand? Who needs proper training when you can just assume that one pistol is identical to another. There's a reason that many of the french GIGN stuck with a revolver even after the introduction of more modern pistols, and that's because they were far more familiar with revolvers than semi-automatics. If you think the differences between pistols aren't important regarding training, you are completely ignorant on the subject of training and should know better than spout off on it.

[@loyp4328]

@@Gustav_Kuriga re : GIGN and revolvers, it's a little more complicated than just familiarity, given how curious their operators were and are. Things like effective needs and their application for doctrine, for exemple. re : differences between pistols, no offense but you don't seem to grasp the concept of a _service pistol_ (hint : you can't select what you carry in most European armies and PDs). And if a pistol is too big (or too small), you're stuck with the hand you're dealt - pun intended. You can train as hard as you want, you will never be as good as you could if you have the correct grip to begin with.

[@romainlapie6362]

Am I the only one who is a little bit disturb by the...Pov view of the camera ? Anyone ?

[@killerpeaches7]

SIG really needs to make this a modern reality. that is pure sex made of steel.

[@rotwang2000]

Sig weapons are not perfect, but close enough that you wouldn't notice the difference anyway.

[@dbmail545]

They were. I don't know if I would still say that with the teething problems of the P320 and the P365.

[@loyp4328]

@@dbmail545 SIG =/= Sig Sauer anyway.

[@ivankrylov6270]

@@dbmail545 teething problems are inherent in all guns 365 was a fairly radical evolution of the class,and the 320 had a chasis system that was fairly novel. They did mishandle the 320 issue

[@hewhoneverdies001]

The saddest thing about watching this channel is seeing all the nice guns that should have been adopted but weren't.

[@zulkifligumilang3155]

Last time i was this early, firearm still a tube with a fuze

[@lukethespook4361]

Are the Slides interchangeable? What about the Recoil spring and the barrel?

[@alanhelton]

Hello Everyone, I'm Ian, and today I'm on my knees to show praise to what has to be the best pistol ever! I joke I joke. Love ya content

[@taggartlawfirm]

Alan Helton Careful, Saint Browning may or may not have a sense of humor.

[@Raptor747]

It's amazing that, even at that point in history, European nations were still treating pistols as more ceremonial/symbols of authority rather than actual combat weapons. You'd think World War 1 would have destroyed that notion rather thoroughly.

[@thesturm8686]

They have SMGs during WW2 that kinda undermine the pistols in close quarters tho

[@calvingreene90]

The officer's side arm was for protecting himself from the gallows bait that made up the enlisted men.

[@Cornpops_Revenge]

Since Sig is already doing a modern 210 now again, it can't be too hard for them to tool up and bring us a 44/16 variant as well by the end of the year... One can hope...

[@lukethespook4361]

SIG doesn't re-do anything, because SIG doesn't really exist anymore. SIG SAUER released a reproduction model based on the SIG P210. IMHO: The SIG SAUER P210 Legend failed to do the original justice, because they compromised its accuracy and reliability in one fell swoop. The SIG SAUER P210 Target isn't really a P210 to begin with, so that's that.

[@1ohtaf1]

There is no point or market for a 44/16, they already have far more modern polymer "fighting pistols" on offer...

[@1ohtaf1]

@@lukethespook4361 "The P210 isn't really a P210"... lmao.

[@terranempire2]

“Glass buttery smooth”

[@loetzcollector466]

Please do an episode on the phased plasma rifle in a 40 watt range. It's so forgotten that I asked my local gun shop owner and he had never heard of it.

[@georgesakellaropoulos8162]

Hey. Just what you see here buddy.

[@jonmy357]

I feel like these guns were a little ahead of their time

[@Alpha.Phenix]

''You look good, you feel good. You feel good, you do good. You do good, you win.'' Why, oh why did this beauty have to fail at prcisely the last step!?

[@cz-bundy6896]

My god I thought I really wanted a 210. Now I want this version!!! Wow that is cool

[@nathanbenorden5102]

I know the cz75 was partially inspired by sig 210 and this basicly is the cz75 "father"

[@NikeaTiber]

CZ75 is basically the offspring of a p210 and a BHP

[@zacharyrollick6169]

@@NikeaTiber That sounds like incest.

[@FoxtrotFleet]

Star 30 counts as one of the SIG 210's bastard children as well.

[@NikeaTiber]

@@FoxtrotFleet nothing bastardly about the CZ75, if anything it is the perfect blend.

[@MrAnton275]

Will you do a meetup in Sweden or are you back stateside?

[@johnn8223]

"And that has made all the difference."

[@diamondflaw]

For some reason, when Ian mentioned the NRA and focus on target shooting made me think of the Savage 19-NRA which had a bit more military-style long foregrip originally, but then was changed later with the Savage 19-33-NRA to a heavier barrel and a thicker, shorter beavertail stock.

[@ReaperCH90]

With the 8 rounder you can really shoot more accurate than with a double stacked pistol. Can't tell you why but I noticed it too.

[@tacticaltoad1104]

Ergonomics 🤷

[@bismarckbismarck6352]

He's in Sweden? Praises be heard, gun jesus shall bless us all with 7.5 long!

[@New2Kendo]

Greatest handgun ever made?

[@benjidowning2609]

I would love it if you could do a video on the Luger Rifle M1906. I’ve always been fascinated in the design and have always wanted a video showing the real thing because there are only 3 pictures on the internet of it.

[@adamak47miller90]

Sig has always made beautiful firearms. Just look at the color and how that magazine looks and this is 1947

[@charlesperry1051]

A double stack P210! Take my money! I shot a friend's P210 last weekend. Wow. What an amazing handgun. The only thing that would make it better would be double stack.

[@garetz2011]

Some drawings from the P210 seems to have half cock and some not. Does the 210 have half cock feature or not? I had two Berettas without half cock and I just can't understand why not to employ a half cock on a gun where it is needed, since there is no firing pin safety on the design.

[@thetruthexperiment]

What soldier in combat is going to choose a single stack over 16 rounds? Aren’t bureaucracy great? Oh yeah, I can’t sharp shoot with my pistol as well so I want half as many chances to hit my target. NO.

[@astondriver]

Love to see the boys at 9 hole reviews give it a run.

[@ironwolf2244]

I once took a test to see what pistol matches my personality, and I got the P210. I'm not certain what that means, but from what I've seen the handgun is quite good.

[@bluecaptainIT]

Today is my birthday, as usual Gun Jesus brings some interesting stuff to the table. Thank you, Ian!

[@WheeledandWellArmed]

Attn Sig Sauer, half the viewers here would buy a double stack P210, the rest would buy two.

[@mathiaslindgren9544]

Jesus, that gun is beautiful. A P210 is good, but this is even better!

[@atomicbrain1]

Awww, dammit! Now I absolutely want one of these! Could we convince Sig to start making them again?

[@DanielLee-lh3vp]

Good! Next time, I'd like to watch the video related on type 64 battle rifle used by JSDF.

[@perihelion7798]

All hail John Moses Browning, gun designer god. His vision lives on.

[@todesgeber]

shooting competition vs combat capacity? it's a shame. the 44/16 has all the potential.

[@Davidautofull]

yes I like it but how did you do that, drop the mag and see a bullet then fire one shot? or was the mag empty? early Browning Hi Power. I was one of the first to order a PARA 45 frame. this gun in production would have hurried double stack 45 along.

[@formam1022]

Reminds me of the cz75

[@ProjectD13X]

The other day I was actually wondering why the P210 got adopted as a single stack 9mm when guns like the Hi Power had been around for a while, question answered!

[@immikeurnot]

They just needed to lose the heel mag release and it would be perfect.

[@pgtmr2713]

It looks a lot better up close, good even, but that has to be one of the ugliest guns ever from a few range slots down. Now I'm wondering how much looks effect whether people buy weapons. If that was "the best gun evar," I'd still buy something else.

[@dbmail545]

Oh, to be able to say "Feels like a Sig 210". I prefer the hand-filling grip of a double stack 9mm myself, with the notable exception of the Beretta 92 which feels like a bare 2x4 to me.

[@lindsleycravensii2985]

Yeah, the ole Beretta 92 series does feel like a 2x4, but I love my Beretta 92a1 anyway. She’s thick in all the right places 🤣

[@framusburns-hagstromiii808]

😀😀👍👍Sig should put that pistol out today. I would definitely buy one!

[@maxlutz3674]

If they do to it what they did to the P210, you´d probably be disappointed. I know a few people who preferred used P210s from the Danish military to a new Sig Sauer P210. Competition shooters willing to pay north of 1500€ for a used ex service pistol in good condition speaks volumes about it´s quality.

[@loyp4328]

IIRC, the last Swiss P210-6 were north of CHF 3'000.- at the time, so add at least 15-20% to that price to have a contemporary price...

[@1ohtaf1]

@@maxlutz3674 Nah, it speaks volumes about the value of provenance, the new P210s are machined and finished far better than the original military P210s.

[@travisnewcome8367]

*Watches intro* "What is this right-handed blasphemy??"

[@FantadiRienzo]

I'd be interested in a video about the differences between the MAS 1935A and the SIG P210. My post comes too late to get a lot of upvotes, but both were made from the same Petter-design, and you probably own the 1935A & P210 anyway, so...?

[@charles_wipman]

I'm don't care for the lines of the SIG P210s; i was thinking it about it yesterday, you've never recorded anything here in Spain if i'm not wrong. It's because our legislation...?, we don't have anything worth it here, on public or private hands? or it's just a combo of things, the laws... the language... .

[@mazkact]

Don't think I'll every spend the money on a real 210 but that is why I bought an Armalite AR 24/15 TC. The AR 24/15 TC looks as though the love child of a CZ 75 and a Sig 210.

[@thomasborgsmidt9801]

Seems like somebody in Denmark listned to Your evaluation. forsvaret.dk/da/materiel2/pistol---sig-sauer-p320-x-carry/ If I'm not mistaken this will replace the SIG 210 and the submashine gun as a personal weapon for drivers, tankcrew, technicians etc. It might be expensive; but on the other hand - if you depreciate it over 60 years - who cares?

[@yocapo32]

SIG could have a pretty large market for a double-stack 210, honestly. Would probably help if they stopped using the weird half-modernized design and went with either something fully modernized or just the original.

[@johnwhitley2898]

Too cool! What were the Swedes thinking?!? Well, we got the 210, woo hoo. This 44/16 could have altered the space/time Continuum as we know it!! That's all water under the bridge now...... The technology is not that old/dated, so a repop would work, but at what "real" consumer cost/cool factor?

[@Leo___________]

The funny thing is that the Swedes kept fucking around with adopting a proper handgun way into the 80s. About that time some officer in the airforce got fed up with having a shitty revolver and simply sidestepped the usual military procurement and bought a bunch of glocks. After a couple of years military command went; "oh well, guess this is our sidearm now" and adopted the Glock 17 officially as 'pistol 88'

[@lkjh861]

If Vikings reject a gun on the grounds of the grip being too wide to get a proper handle on - then the rest of you little hobbits would have had to operate the gun in two-man teams. Neuhausen/SIG 210 is awesome, shot it in the Danish Army. Love from Scandinavia. 💗 😘👉

[@Twopntz]

How much you enjoyed shooting this is very apparent by the number of angles you gave us vs. other guns. Next time you enjoy shooting a single-handed weapon this much, I triple-chili-cheese-dog dare you to catch an angle shooting from between your legs. If you do, I will drop $200 on your Patreon with screenshots.

[@ZGryphon]

"Superior military capability rejected because it wasn't as good for target shooting" ranks up there with the old legend about why Teletype machines (which didn't have the bandwidth to transmit mixed-case text) printed in ALL CAPS. The story, almost certainly apocryphal but strangely plausible, goes that the company commissioned a study to determine which case would be better, received conclusive evidence that lower case had superior readability and clarity, and then went with upper case instead because, as the company's chairman pointed out, in lower case "it would be impossible to spell the name of the Deity correctly."

[@jeanmac271]

It was the path to the best pistol in the world SIG P210-1, 2, 5, 6 7 .... simple and precise !! Switzerland of course !! 😂

[@curtisogden3965]

So basically the whole concept for the P250/P320 chassis was already done by sig in the 40s...

[@k.a.davison9897]

Don't know specifically why but at first glance the pistol triggers the thought, "I'm looking at a Hi-power variant . . . no I'm not." Still it is a fine looking weapon that unfortunately didn't make it to market. Very much enjoyed the segment and was educated as well.

[@deannorris5662]

Why didn’t they base the sig p210 American on this gun?!?!?!?!? NOOOOO

[@josemkay9272]

Considering Sig Sauer recently released a couple of reiterations of the p210, a “carry” model no less, you’d figure a double stack model would be somewhere in their catalog, but no.

[@Liam-B]

To think the Swiss could have had a 16 round "Wonder-Nine" 20 years before everyone was scrounging and hunting for CZ's or Glocks.

[@JnEricsonx]

I know everyone loves Glocks but....dammit I don't like how they look...this gun however looks very nice.

[@bladerunner5810]

Why did Colt never make a CZ 75 clone? I love the 1911 and its trigger but prefer the CZ. I think it may have been a winner for Colt. Maybe now they might make a CZ since CZ now owns Colt.

[@erics2305]

I don't understand why the Swiss Army didn't want the bigger magazine capacity, what a shame. This would have been a great weapon. My brother has a P49 and the relatively small magazine is the only downside to it.

[@mrfrosty3]

I imagine if they put this into production it would sell very well.

[@hailexiao2770]

They'd cost as much as a Sphinx, if not a Manurhin or Korth. So...probably not