SIG Sauer M17, Tan, CO2 "Blowback" .177 cal Pellet Pistol "Complete Review" By Airgun Detectives

[@BEEZ176]

The blowback is to help with target sight reacquisition training and is not useless but very helpful with as realistic training as possible down to the details.

[@k4vms]

The slide movement does serve a purpose. It give both a visual and tactile representation on how the real firearm looks and feels. We use this M17 pellet gun for practice when we are not able to get to the range. Perfect practice make practice perfect. You need lots of trigger time to stay proficient. This is a very perishable skill. Ricky from IBM, Ret (law enforcement trained)

[@k4vms]

Just discover your channel. The reason for the blow back slide is to simulate the center fire version of the M17. This air gun was developed for training purposes to simulate all the actions as closely as possible of the center fire M17. Talk to Sig and they will let you know why this was part of the design criteria. This is not a an air gun for competition or hunting. It an air gun for training and plinking. The design criteria was as a training analog for the center fire M17. Ricky from IBM,

[@blagdaross5953]

I just watched the video as I'm interested in this gun. He's not saying that blowback is useless altogether. He's saying it's usless because on most guns, after the gun has been fired once and blowback occurs, the next shot will be single action trigger pull. in this gun, the blowback does not make the next shot single action. it's always double action. While not entirely useless for training, it's useless that it doesn't make the next shot single action. which kind of makes me not want this gun now.

[@osmaromolina753]

Best, honest review I've viewed on this airgun...

[@SwitchFBproductions]

Nice review! I think the non-catch blowback is a preferred feature for me, since I would rather apply more pressure at the security of less trigger interference, but I highly respect your choice and think you made this one look very fun! Good data 📈

[@AirgunDetectives]

Thank you for watching 👍🏻

[@robertgonzales7173]

Thanks for your help on my new dig m17

[@BrianAmuro-z2g]

I purchased one, and i love it. It's a fun plinker a and target pistol.

[@richardgonzales8502]

Great review . I almost bought this gun to replace My Old Trusty GAMO P25 snake and rat killer ... But I think I’ll stick with GAMO . Just wish they hadn’t discontinued the tactical models

[@edtaylor4731]

blowback function - so I think the confusion might be that this replicas for a striker fire pistol...not a DA/SA platform. I expect the 226 blowback to activate the SA trigger, but I own an M17 9mm and I expect same trigger pull first and every time...

[@BakedAndAwakePodcast]

This is correct.

[@nohero178]

I'm not sure he really understood that but I am glad someone does!

[@Jrevo420]

What about the fact that you can field strip the pistol? You didn't mention or go over that.

[@RWMAirgunsmithing]

This model field strips easily (ive done it countless of times) but because of the magazine/valve the slide comes off to the back and up. Like most airguns, you only need to do this to clean it and unjam.. or to lubricate it lightly very seldomly. (ive also done it recently many times to zero in my sig air reflex sight) edit : also like any airgun or real gun... DONT pull the trigger if you are not aiming at the target you want to hit (which applies during field strips by default)

[@Larry-ds6ib]

Everything was cool until the magazine co2 start to fail after a couple hundred shots, cannot seal no more

[@brorjordas1979]

For me this is probably the best Sig Sauer ASP pistol right outta the box. Owned one for 9 months now and I still have not fixed any valves and whatever. Not a fan of the Tan .. but, meh, whatever.. My M17 shot quite accurately where aimed (from 6 meters), no pellet jamming issues and I have had no leaks (yet). I personally like the DAO trigger - which my P320, P226 and the X-Five ASPs do not have. The stiffer trigger hides well it's belt rotating operation, and I kinda like that. The trigger is not insanely hard as the trigger on the Umarex Glock 17 dual-ammo airpistol, which is just effin horrible. The slide of course have no real function when shooting - but kinda is necessary for the field strip. Could of course switch the slide spring to a bit harder one for less easy slide operation and more gas flow towards the pellet instead.. I have tried out H&N alloy pellets with this also. They were just inaccurate. Did not notice a decent difference when shooting alloy pellets. Shot fasterharder - maybe. But since not noticeably faster by the shooter, but rather on target as bad groups - I just quit testing alloy pellets. I personally use RWS Club pellets with this M17 and other replicas with plastic pellet-bore magazines because of the amazing fit. Tested also Crosman Match pellets. Small and accurate groups. Very nice! But the Crosman Match pellets sat a bit too tight (imo) in the belt - so I quit using them not to wear the belt bores down as fast over time........ - I like shooting this gun. But you can never be sure of when it gets those awful leaks. With good luck, a new magazine is the easiest way to go. The build of it has just too many possible places for a leak to occur. But, these Sig ASPs are more for airgun enthusiasts that like to fix and improve their guns. For people that just wanna shoot year after year...I'd rprobably ecommend some other co2 repllca pistol.

[@fairfax_fran5109]

If they made a black one be nice

[@900swalker]

Bror Jordas - Which other CO2 replica would you recommend?

[@RWMAirgunsmithing]

Yo Bror, you need to get sig sauer pellets. This is THE most accurate pistol I have (bbs and pellets combined) the Sig alloy pellets shoot out to 55-60 ft. the Sig lead pellets start dropping at around 30-35 ft.

[@brorjordas1979]

@@RWMAirgunsmithing Sig pellets? Nah. I've seen the price of those around here - and I ain't shooting target but out to 20-21ft (6m) with my blowback replicas anyhow. And the cheap Crosman Match pellets already can provide pellet on pellet accuracy from 20ft - if the shooter's having a good day, that is..

[@RWMAirgunsmithing]

@@brorjordas1979 Yeah that range is pretty much it. Keep it in mind if you ever expand your horizons xD

[@truecanadianairguns6640]

you have to rememeber that the blowback simulating recoil for a challenge shooting is worth it aloine

[@AirgunDetectives]

I can appreciate that opinion but, if it is going to have a blow-back, let's make it functional. We are striving for even better products and to get there we have to point out the areas that could be improved. Thanks for the feedback and appreciate you watching :)

[@travismeek2627]

Is slide recoil or "blowback" functional in reducing trigger pull poundage on a real striker fired handgun? I've personally never felt that the subsequent trigger pulls on a striker fired pistol are reduced poundage from the first trigger pull, so wouldn't the blowback be functional in representing the realism of firing a sig p320?

[@thebackyardairgunner8776]

Might have to pick this one up for christmas !

[@RichardHendricks]

I own one of these and I have put a small red dot sight on it. I also bought some extra magazines. I do enjoy shooting it.

[@AirgunDetectives]

Yes..at least you do have the option to add sights with the weaver rail which corrects the POA. Again thanks for watching👍

[@freakeyeairgunnin2181]

Richard Hendricks Hello friend,can you tell me which red dot you use,and maybe a link for it? I’d appreciate that.

[@t4rbrah899]

To the people that have owned this pellet pistol; how well does the paint hold up? Can you put it in a holster without it peeling?

[@AirgunDetectives]

Yes...solid finish

[@johnnypopovich905]

Paint holds up...the damn magazines dont

[@brianamuro2119]

I pyruvate one AMF I'm happy with it.

[@stayclassymobiledetailing174]

Need more introductions like these

[@JOSEPHMATTHEWHOLLAND]

Perfect PPE for the world's craziness

[@dont4143]

As a former cop, you should be glad this has blowback as the real gun. Any way, keep up the good videos.

[@stenbak88]

Just got one of these

[@SolaceRadioMeanderRadioNetwork]

Good Point (on the pellets) Love your straight forward approach

[@danielmaezoalvarez5818]

Me gustan mucho tus videos, son muy naturales. Te sigo desde Sevilla, España. Un saludo

[@AirgunDetectives]

Thanks for watching Daniel! Muchas gracias!

[@StratBurst92]

I have a real Sig P320 Compact but with 9mm being so hard to get and I am not going to use my saved up stash I am going to get one of these. Looks like it is well made and not to mention cost effective. Btw has anyone told you that you look a lot like Jay Harrington on the SWAT Tv show.

[@royalmail7]

Man ,what can I say.Your reviews are so good that it’s made me buy some air guns and rifle that I would usually ignore.Please keep up the good work.I just ordered my gamo gen2 magt

[@martinpeters9938]

Nice to shoot, great quality but once the novelty of the blow back action is gone.. you will be left a Little underwelmed, rather buy a spring or pre compressed air pistol or even better, get a good spring rifle. Versatility is what will keep you delving deeper into this sport. M

[@BlakeJames42]

With ammo costing what it is i might get one for plinking practice.

[@Dad-lu1oi]

Did you or did you get something else

[@Texial]

I got this Pellet Gun. And I gotta say, it is NICE. I shot some pig skin and it went straight through. So it is very powerful.

[@nunyabizness7007]

What you neglected to mention is that the M17 can be field stripped just like the real thing. Also the blowback function is to reset the internal hammer.

[@marshallmaia8130]

@Kev Campbell FEATURES Full blowback metal slide Drop free magazine w/ cam lever CO2 loading Field strips like the U.S. Army M17 pistol 1:1 replica of the U.S. Army M17 pistol

[@marshallmaia8130]

@Kev Campbell That's what I thought, Its rated for like 306 fps :(

[@marshallmaia8130]

@Kev Campbell I'm shopping for one as we speak, right now im really interesting in the KWC IWI c02 BB UZI and the HK Heckler &KOCH mp5k-PDW both rated 400FPS and full auto

[@marshallmaia8130]

@Kev Campbell I'm seriously about to pull the trigger on a KWC 1911, do you have any experience with those? It seems like the best 1:1 replica of a 1911 from what I've seen on youtube.

[@marshallmaia8130]

@Kev Campbell I'm in the market for something military grade (cheap but works) lol. In my opinion, the more moving parts it has the more likely it is it fail, especially since most of them are made using cheap labor in Asia. My logic is since the 1911's reputation is that it's a classic functional design that just works, that maybe that would translate into the replica designs.

[@blackhole6828]

I don't know why the slide is useless.... the slide release doesn't do anything either. I hear ppl saying no co2 gun will have a slide catch. My walther cp99 compact co2 uses the slide and slide release button.

[@adrianavalos3574]

Nice review! The pistol looks great and love the tan color. I’m not a fan of the slide and it’s nonfunctional blowback. Still looks like a fun plinking pistol though.

[@AirgunDetectives]

Adrian, thanks for watching and we appreciate the comments!

[@MattCatfish-s8l]

Just got one today from bass pro shop for my 15 year old daughter with alien gear holster

[@jerrygolden832]

You compared the reduction in trigger pull weight on a hammer fired 226 and a striker fired 320. The trigger feel including pull weight or "effort" goes from long, heavy double action to shorter light single action with the hammer fired gun. On a real centerfire P320 the slide only moves about an inch to reset the striker/trigger. A full slide stroke is required to cock a hammer fired gun such as P226. I enjoyed your review but some newbies expectations on the trigger may be negatively influenced by this comparison. Thanks for the review .

[@Lorddarthvader1701]

Great review, I just bought one, been looking for a better pellet pistol

[@AirgunDetectives]

Enjoy!!😉👍🏻

[@BrianAmuro-z2g]

I usually look for and purchase the lightest lead pellets i can find. Then i use pretty gun oil to diesel the pellets to make them travel faster.

[@Matt-yi2ir]

Even though it only got three stars I still might get it. I’m collecting all the sigs.

[@KevinAndradeboxing]

It’s worth it the m17 f the haters man

[@brandonminer749]

I had the p320 fullsize version of this airgun. It was a jam-o-matic. It looked good and fealt right, but it was not enjoyable.

[@TheRiddimselecta]

I own the m17 & the P320 with the 30 round belt fed.I love both guns & they are both fun plinkers indeed. Are you familiar with the Gamo PT-85 Desert Attack? I saw a few review videos on youtube, but they all seem to be from overseas, and not so many reviews in the US.

[@AirgunDetectives]

It is identical to the US PT-85 with the tan frame. I have a PT-85 Socom. It has a longer barrel and produces much higher fps. I need to do a review on that one.

[@TheRiddimselecta]

@@AirgunDetectives Yes, I think it would be an interesting gun to review. I guess I can’t ask what are your thoughts about it now, since it could potentially end up in a review video 😅?

[@uscgkenny]

the center fire M17 is striker fired. They are single action only. the trigger weight of this pellet gun is similar to the center fire M17

[@nikonmark37814]

I have the Sig M17 replica and it's not my favorite handgun, that goes to my awesome Glock 17 mk IV blowback and the Glock 19 non blowback but the Glock shoots bb's and I wanted a realistic pellet semi auto and I got it for that reason. My other pistols are the Crosman 2300s and 2240xl which are my preferred guns for plinking.

[@asherfeldman1689]

I'm gonna give this gun 4 stars

[@tomsmith3987]

I only shoot alloy pellets

[@ytTonyZ]

I guess this is the only model available that is Optics ready and has a decent capacity magazine. Thus I am stuck with the M17 and the tan color. Would be right after it, if the P226 model did the same (like my P226 RX Legion). Wish there was a slide lock out, to keep it from moving (even better if it created more velocity). Cheers, Tony

[@MattCatfish-s8l]

My buddies have some lethal PBa raptor

[@MattCatfish-s8l]

Showing her now

[@linkinparkfan103]

Really enjoy your content!

[@derekmcmillian6557]

I bought this gun as well and I give it a 2.5-3 as well. I don't like the slight movement/looseness when taking it right out of the Box and giving it a gentle shake. That along with hitting target's acutely is my problems with this gun

[@hoppinggnomethe4154]

it either "cycles" very fast or your camera records low frame rate

[@AlainHubert]

I recently got this sig Sauer M17 about a week ago. I totally agree on your 3/5 score for this airgun. This looks great, feels good in the hand, it has a standard accessory rail, and the innovative CO2 loading are all great! But everything else is really disappointing on this, at this price point. Low FPS, low number of shots per CO2 cartridge, useless and non-locking slide, kinda heavy and notchy double-action only trigger, non-adjustable sights, mine shoots low (6" low at 30 feet). I wouldn't not recommend this. I'll probably leave it on display, instead of shooting it. There are other airguns much more fun to shoot with. I wish Sig Sauer did a steel BB version of their airsoft version of this airgun instead of this.

[@AlainHubert]

Update to my previous comment. This airgun has now gone back in its box (yes it does come in a nice box, no dreaded plastic clamshell here) and I will not shoot it anymore. I really didn't enjoy it. I'll probably try to sell it (been used only for about 12 magazines). I wish I could get a refund from Sig Sauer for having produced such a disappointing airgun. Looks aren't everything. I've got much better airguns in my collection. Some very nice 1911 and a Glock 17 Gen 4 (both BB with functional blowback). I also have the rather expensive German-made Umarex non-blowback pellet airgun which is much more accurate and powerful than this Sig Sauer M17.

[@SEVEN-sg5rb]

I want this for looks for the most part, the fact it’s got an extended mag is a selling point for me. I don’t plan on shooting only for collection, do you think it’s still not worth it.

[@AlainHubert]

@@SEVEN-sg5rb For that purpose sure, because it looks very close to the real thing (only very minor cosmetic differences). It looks great! Go for it. Also note that many owners are satisfied with its performance also. If you didn't have a blowback pellet airgun before, you might be too.

[@SEVEN-sg5rb]

@@AlainHubert I’ve had 2 blowback pellet guns both costed me less than $35. I hear your complaint very often that the m17s performance is lacking for the price point. How much did u pay for yours?

[@AlainHubert]

@@SEVEN-sg5rb Around $180 CAD ($145 USD) brand new. So it's not quite an inexpensive airgun. That's one of the reasons why I was expecting a little better. But it comes in a very nice box, not the dreaded and awful plastic clamshell.

[@MrZola1234]

Dig the magazine and easy co2 pearcing. The bad aim is the big thing for me. I would not enjoy shooting 6 inches off point of aim. Pass for me, but thanks for the quality review.

[@applejuice-4706]

I just purchase 3 of these for resale they are manufactured refurbs. If they sell well I am going to buy more. I have the m17 9mm fire arm so I am looking forward to playing with these when they arrive. Great review I just subbed.

[@AirgunDetectives]

Welcome...With the price of ammo now, these are great to practice with and develop that muscle memory. 👍

[@applejuice-4706]

@@AirgunDetectives Thanks I agree I am hoping to see better shooting at the range after practicing with these.

[@danielwatts3416]

You are a great good plinker

[@AirgunDetectives]

Thanks 👍

[@LifeisGood-ye8rl]

I thought it’s model after th p320 which has no hammer and the sticker fire give same trigger pull every time

[@brianamuro3023]

I like your videos. I'm thinking of purchasing one of these.

[@Jeeper1378]

I want to know why (that i can find) theres not a “pellet” gun that locks back its slide when mag is empty? I’ve found BB and/or air-soft guns that do.. but not pellet guns? i have a Gamo p25 and at least it cocks the hammer. Would also make sense if you can see a round through the window. Whats the point? Haha all i see is the magazine. I dont know about that SS mag but with the Gamo mag they could notch where the pellets load to be able to see a round. If they want to make it more realistic.. just makes sense.

[@zelda9217]

If you pull back slowly and pull trigger it holds

[@angelsdevils2956]

Cam glasses ?

[@anthonyolden3448]

It would also be nice if they couldn't make 12g canisters filled with pepper spray that could be used without pellets. Increased options.

[@jamesboord8997]

This gun has a removable plate for a red dot.Sig released the red dot later down the line.

[@fathalimi404]

How many shots can you fire with one co2 cartridge

[@VictoriaGwaltney-uf7yr]

Question - is the CO2 up after one magazine or is it good for 2 or 3?

[@johnycash978]

Honestly I admit I've checked liked n also seen p320 that also had a 30 mag but the CO2 is in the grip stick slides in pretty neat this I'm sad that they didn't add no blowback option yea as far as the no single / dual action they can release a kit to convert it if it's not functional but also it does cock nothing so it's pointless if the hammer ain't moving n also if it spends co2 just for realism ain't the best but it's good gun wish it was ready for silencer if they do release a kit for no blowback it be nice if they release a kit for the hammer to function spare barell I'd like if they can do the Gamo tactical p84 or something release a barell that has the threaded barrel sticking out after install you have to put the silencer fake to cover it up but it's longer ain't bad really it looks nice also I hope that they put a spare 226 hammer so you can cock manual too maybe second m17 version by the point also one thing I don't like much on eject mag leaks little co2

[@The_Hussar74]

Is this quiet enough to shoot in a smallish backyard?

[@asherfeldman1689]

And the x5 yes the adjustable sights how can I forget, but it still doesn't deserve 4.¼ stars

[@drivermodmyles]

Can u do this again with what pellets fit into that belt?? The gamo lethals don't fit they're top tall. Probably the same with anything pellet that's not completely flat

[@D0V1S_main]

can you have it laoded for a week ?. Would it fire or will the gas leak ?.

[@quintonmol139]

which one do you prefer the m17 or Walter ppq??

[@AirgunDetectives]

To pick one, it would be the M17. It has an easier magazine to load, and even though the trigger is not affected by the blowback, it has a lighter trigger than the PPQ. Definitely the M17. Happy Shooting!👍😉

[@williamhiggins1855]

Awesome looking and.performing guns.

[@jasonb7870]

What's the best hand gun to shoot at 480 fps with blow back

[@robhall39]

Yea, you definitely need the walther ppq, I shoot rws sport line 7.0 grain(I swear these pellets were designed for the walther pistols lol)and i'm getting less than 1inch groups. If you shot this then the walther, you'd swear you were shooting a real burner lol. It's just that good. Ok..i'll shut up about the ppq now as I've commented on another video about it. But it's just so damn gooood

[@AirgunDetectives]

I have the CP99 and the CP88 and they both shoot really well. I will feature them in the future. Thanks for the comments and thanks for watching!

[@robhall39]

@@AirgunDetectives nice. The cp88 competition model is on my list, I want to get a rifle next probably the bushmaster and then I'll order the cp88. I'm still waiting for the new Webley BMX pistol, which is is suppose to be an upgrade to the nemesis. Too many damn models I want and not enough time lol. Keep the vidscoming, you're running a nice channel

[@robhall39]

@@AirgunDetectives V..MX I meant

[@alexlozada3093]

I have a ppq love it just ordered this m17

[@VicariousReality7]

3:00 Very good point, usually the pull on these kinds of guns is pretty bad

[@elgranjero4384]

Is there any pistol with similar magazine like this one ?

[@jrodogarf1150]

What about slow leaks

[@kylesims9455]

Which do you prefer the M17 or the P226?

[@backyardbountiesextra7683]

Love how your making your reveiws

[@imoheight]

I have the same gun

[@fredfeyen2960]

Are special 12gram co2 cartiges nessesary

[@r0902716]

I need a multi round air pistol powerful enough to dispatch 10 lb rabbits by back of head shot. Can you make a recommendation?

[@AirgunDetectives]

This would work Beeman 2027 amzn.to/3xSI7dt

[@MoHiker69]

How would this pellet gun do to drive off wildlife like a coyote or bobcat? I've never shot an air gun and I was thinking about something for hiking without lugging around the real thing.

[@imdeetheman4684]

Could the pellet m17 be lethal ?

[@EricFresquez-h1r]

Have but keeps lo knocking up does it make a difference on the pellets

[@dingzac1988]

I was going to buy this pistol but after I watched this video I don’t want to anymore. The trigger is too heavy and only double actions. That is a big problem for me.

[@slowpokeairgunner4027]

I've looked at this thing a few times, like it that it's a pellet pistol and not bb's. Not a huge co2 fan, but just thinking about snakes that I've taken out with one, worth having a good one around. I was thinking if I buy a nice one it will probably be this one. I can't use a heavy trigger, not big on the accuracy of this gun, it does look nice, but I can say I have a thirty dollar Daisy Powerline 450 from Wally world that really surprises me, it's my go too for snakes, and stuff like that. Nice video, appreciate the review, I now know the heavy trigger on this one will probably not be my cup of tea, already have one I can't mess with because of the heavy trigger. Thanks again for the great video and honest review, it's hard to find honesty about these things.

[@AirgunDetectives]

Thanks for watching! My goal is to release a new video every Friday. 👍

[@Twin-1985]

Will this shoot pointed pellets?

[@johnnypopovich905]

Even with the P226....the blowback cocks the hammer....but...youre spinning the mag and firing when you pull the trigger....theyre airguns....dont expect so much

[@alexandromavromatis5679]

Have you done a review on the gamo p430 with the fps rating at 495 as they claim. I would love to see what the corypgraph shows

[@northballistics]

I sold mine, was completely unhappy with it. Sigs look amazing, but their engineering on the Airgun side needs work.

[@fredfeyen2960]

Do co2s need threads

[@thebutterfluffman6855]

I just gonna get one cuz they're cool and I wanna plink

[@renodrouin1834]

Love the channel and the honesty . Hooked on watching please keep the videos coming...

[@AirgunDetectives]

Reno, Thanks for watching. I hope to have a new video out every Friday! Your comments are appreciated.

[@fairfax_fran5109]

I think this could be use for self defense lol

[@AirgunDetectives]

Absolutely...against a bunch of threatening empty soda cans...lol Thanks for watching!👍😉

[@Mr.EeToMyself]

Who is walking toward it? You go first.

[@RNGesusHIMSELF]

@@AirgunDetectives on drugs or not id know i wouldnt wanna get lit up with a bb gun nvm a pellet gun

[@derekmcmillian6557]

With the gamo lethal pellets I think it could do the job for home defense. Just my opinion

[@DARKHORIZONCREATIONS]

What are your thoughts on using this for training purposes? Will the mags fit a Kydex mag holster for reloading drills?

[@JC-XL]

The blowback has a function - it probably is advancing the magazine.

[@MarineMark]

Mega review boss man

[@Jrryda420]

My magazine is not like that at all. I just picked up one of these sigs and it def does not have that magazine. Mines doesnt have a double action trigger either. Where did you get this one from? Alloy pellets and lead also? Mines shoots plastic bbs

[@BlakeJames42]

You have to release the trigger all the way to reload it?

[@scottcatalanotto]

Can you put BBs in it for pesky raccoons who eat my cat's food? I don't want to kill him that's why I'm wanting to use BB's maybe plastic BBs

[@tiatiapoo3455]

can it be sent to indonesia?

[@BrianAmuro-z2g]

Slot pellets are light but to expensive.

[@pimpinbass4736]

What’s your highest rated BB guns hand gun? I saw the glock 19 with high ratings. Anyone other ones I can add to my hobby?

[@AirgunDetectives]

Look under my "Playlist" I have 5 star guns in their own category. 👍😉