Signs you’re burned out - and how to bounce back | Laurie Santos

[@zoekenny3619]

Another contributing factor is when you've been in a prolonged situation of ambiguity. I had that experience when trying to finish my Master's thesis while also working full time. I didn't really know if I was on the right track or whether it was even worth doing finishing it but I persisted anyway. Constantly asking yourself those big questions really takes a toll.

[@The-Well]

Congratulations on being persistent despite the difficulty!

[@jamieweeks2120]

@@The-Well do you think the drive and finishing goal produces a euphoria on the other side that makes a human more resilient? But the whole time all the factors of burnout were evident throughout the process?

[@The-Well]

Great question! We’re not experts ourselves, but this is something that is touched on by Dr. Santos in this video when she discusses extrinsic rewards, and in her previous video with us “Why humans are surprisingly bad at being happy:” kzbin.info/www/bejne/gaWVpayai9OJrKM . Basically, her belief is that while we think achieving one specific external result will make us happy, it often won’t. You also bring up the point of resilience; we actually also did a video with a colleague of Dr. Santos, Tal Ben-Sharar at Harvard, who discusses the idea of ‘antifragility’ being key to happiness. You can see that here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iouUYnmNg52ipNk . Hope they help!

[@quarteracreadventures855]

Hugs to those who are struggling with burnout and compassion fatigue

[@ReynaSingh]

“Burnout happens when you avoid being human too long”

[@dikshantjoshi]

@ReynaSingh Well, seems like it should happen for a bit so that we can return back to our agency...just an idea

[@madhusai7021]

true 😂😂😂

[@needheartranken]

Thanks! HAHA, a lot of times I criticize humans for being humans by saying "humans" every time I see any human or group of humans that do stupid things. It's, like, I'm so egoistic enough to be like this because I'm a human, too, and often times I'm actually more stupid than them. And I'm burnt out! XD

[@MisterMister5893]

Well put. Pushing oneself is fine, it’s how we evolved to where we are but these days it’s all about extreme activities whether that’s rock climbing or burning the candle at both ends to appease a boss you don’t even like. Success isn’t always waiting at the end of that tunnel..

[@jomiguides]

​@@dikshantjoshiwdym agency is the freedom to make your own choices.. not choose your consequences

[@linahol6067]

Signs of burnout: 1. Emotional Exhaustion (workload) 2. Depersonalization (bad intentions from friends or coworkers) 3. Personal Ineffectiveness (you feel like your work doesn't matter)

[@LaSpastica90]

Yep. That’s me. But my burnout seems to be with life itself. I’m responsible for taking care of my mentally ill brother. I’m in charge my dads estate, and my siblings, at one point, were constantly trying to undermine me. And the paperwork never ends! And this has been my life for several years now. Taking a vacation doesn’t help because it continues to build up while I’m gone. I’ve developed anxiety over taxes and govt programs that my brother utilizes. I have a CPA who takes care of our taxes, but the anxiety is still there. The situation with my siblings is better now, but I have a great deal of resentment. Most days I feel like a zombie.

[@Tribuneoftheplebs]

Sounds like the movie 'what's eating gilbert grape.'

[@breal7277]

Meditate.

[@prapanthebachelorette6803]

Relatable

[@DeePeeZee]

I'm so sorry you are going through this. I don't think you need advice I just think you need someone to validate the hard work you've put in trying to be everything for your family. That's gotta be hard to carry. That's a huge responsibility. I do hope you have support and a community that helps you at the very least feel less alone. I will definitely not be recommending meditation. It's reckless to recommend something to someone when they haven't asked for a suggestion or advice. Meditation does wonders for the mind and soul, but sometimes what humans need is validation and support.

[@ballman3313]

I quit my job before I really felt the effects of burnout. This was a week ago, thank God because if I didn’t quit I could’ve had another breakdown at work. Even now I struggle to do much because emotionally I cannot handle it. Very stressful to be around family too

[@LudusAurea]

The thing is people really dont have a choice a lot of the time. The working class has no way to escape burnout.

[@usetherightbrain.]

yeah, so true- Its hard to take a sabbatical when you can't make ends meet with two or more jobs...it seems that is hard to see any way out of that..

[@gelosyguat1211]

“Sense of values” which is hard to find in workplaces where people just have a sense for 💵 and 💪🏻. I think most people who experience burnout are the one’s who truly love what they’re doing and have compassion with the people around them.

[@nicolebogda1482]

It’s not just work- I’d like to hear this on a broader spectrum. Including post-covid life, family, care takers, etc. Same symptoms, still burnout- just a little different

[@nichelleritter9480]

Yes, yes, yes ,yes, yes, I have been in a chronic burn out cycle for over a decade now and have only recently learned that part of it is my long undiagnosed ADHD. Now I am paying the price with chronic fatigue and constant overwhelm and exhaustion.

[@zappazowie6959]

Professor Santos was my professor at Yale... Exceptional instructor all around

[@Niels_Dn]

I had a burnout 2 years ago. I felt all the signs that you describe here, but my company sent me to therapy. It really felt like it was only my problem because of that. Seeing this video I really got affirmation that the company and its culture definitely also has a contribution, which I felt like it had, but being low on energy and in a therapy you don’t really feel so confident and doubt only about yourself.

[@hakimdiwan5101]

Your company cares about you to send you to therapy, here most companies will simply fire employees for not being productive 🥲

[@Niels_Dn]

@@hakimdiwan5101 That’s sad man, where are you at?

[@hakimdiwan5101]

@@Niels_Dn I'm from India 🥲

[@scootergirl3662]

Depersonalization is big in high stress fields. A whole lot of touchy coworkers, and for the ones that lack principle they resort to spite.

[@PowersBenzoCoaching]

Great advice here. My dissertation was on burnout and predictors of personality. On the topic of Maslach’s domain of depersonalization, it’s not just about the clients but also about our peers. If we don’t feel connected to the people around us it can really increase burnout. This could happen for a number of reasons.

[@The-Well]

Very well said!

[@banwaita6723]

Is your dissertation publicly available for reading??

[@lauranicoll7891]

Yes would love to know if it’s available to read?

[@LoganAlbertsChannel]

I was in a position where I found that all my close friends I'd made no longer worked with me every day or at the company, and the ones who I did see every day, I just didn't enjoy their presence the same way. Definitely made me feel miserable in comparison to working with my best friends.

[@Tribuneoftheplebs]

I feel this. I worked in a job where coworkers would change weekly on different projects and the work started to feel meaningless and the relationships shallow. I think its because when you work 50-70 hour weeks the last thing you want to do is try to get closer/spend more time with coworkers.

[@LuisVasDeCamoes]

I believe that twice a year I having burnouts. I graduated now, but in the past 5 years I've been studying in an engineering course, while working night shifts, being a parent and helping my wife with her depression while living in a foreign country... I normally have to work long hours to provide for my family and usually before exams I feel depressed. But not long enough to be considered a clinical depression. During those periods I tend to drinking a lot (I don't normally drink otherwise), I ignore my responsibilities, I avoid everyone and I feel like the worst person in the world. I don't try to fight it because it will only make it last longer, but I know that after a while I get better... It usually lasts 2 weeks to one month, but then I get better

[@TheNinjaFromNuevo]

The host will say anything to not say, "Metastatic Capitalism is what's burning us out."

[@das_it_mane]

Liberals will blame everything except capitalism. They mean well, I guess.

[@lessismore5]

While I enjoyed this video, her recommendations to try to influence the environment at work to treat burnout are a bit grandiose? Most people don't have very much affect I think on what the culture is in their work or their workload, for example. I am a nurse and really the only way I could treat my own burnout (I have every one of the symptoms she's described), is to find another job or even another occupation. I guess I will be posting my resume online...

[@LaSpastica90]

Yeah. Most of the time, you can’t just say, “I’m going to reduce my work load. You’ll need to assign those patients to someone else.” Lol

[@Lilahk92]

People need to talk to each other about stuff at work at home and change it. Send someone the video, start small. The only way for things to change is for someone to be brave enough to ask 'what if we did this differently? I don't know how yet but can we explore it?'. If it's not you it'll be someone else. But saying we can't is just taking away your own agency as a person. The only thing you're running up against is other people's agency. Invite them to use theirs with you I know it's hard. But it's all we've got

[@thien_vo]

Parenting a toddler… burnout is next level

[@Meow3431]

One of the many reasons I don’t have a child 😂

[@thien_vo]

@@Meow3431 smart move, my friend...

[@LaSpastica90]

That eventually gets better though. But I know how you feel.

[@supermichaelssecondchannel4342]

Time to put the same energy into my relationships as I do my job.❤

[@lynneSpiration]

Doesn't everyone feel this way in every job? Does anyone NOT have this?

[@aneikrust]

I don't. Stress, ambiguity, changes in work processes - they happen and yeah, I have to push through. It is a though time. But nothing matching the burnout symptoms described.

[@beatpirate8]

as a nurse there is no talk about burnout and no one wants to cut back cuz of how much things cost in the bay. i dont want to be fulltime i dont want to be a martyr. i always wanted to be a dancing queen that does nursing on the side.

[@nicholeayt509]

Wow. This is exactly what happened to me. I thought it was depression, maybe it was both.

[@victoriam6927]

All too true ❤ it’s tough to pull out of it too!

[@smallspace7]

I would very much like to hear the lady's voice through a series on this topic

[@jubanlangsyiemlieh2398]

Thank you for the video

[@Glorfdimple]

Thanks for sharing. ❤

[@realguy0396]

Note: Burnout causes- Increased sense of worth in extrinsic values (money) but distributed unfairly

[@sammckenzie6760]

Common Marx W

[@TheLethalDomain]

Great, simple video. However, her explanation of depersonalization didn't make sense to me. That doesn't sound like any form of depersonalization I have experienced. That just sounds like agitation. Often, depersonalization brings a sense of numbness towards others, although obviously you CAN just feel annoyed by them more easily, but that in and of itself is not depersonalization.

[@bunniewood]

I quit my job 3 weeks ago because of this. I feel so much happier and thank god I had savings that let me quit. I resent companies for doing this to people.

[@The-Well]

Wow, congratulations! And good luck on your journey ahead!

[@KPai]

This psychologist has really good oratory skills. She could do great at voice over narration for vox, wsj

[@timelapsephotography6650]

Fantastic!

[@Errores1salert4ntif4]

Great advice here .

[@moirosalina]

Burnout can also develop from untreated childhood trauma. Unconscious, disfunctional believes can create loads of stress

[@abhisheksen19]

You told every term what I forget to write 😅

[@elsagournay6660]

Does it also apply for personal life? I feel like that and it's more due to the emotional moment I am going through. (A separation that isn't really one...etc) Would someone help me, please?

[@dianapiguet4376]

Burn-out in the personal sphere definitely exists and people do not talk about it as much and less tips and support can be found online. I would also be interested by some tips. I did not go to my generalist, as completely freaked out she would put me off work, the place I can regenerate, replenish battery. The only (non-professional) advice I could suggest, is take a break from the relationship to see it from a different perspective. Go on your next vacation/weekend with a good friend, rather than with your partner and enjoy it fully! Allow yourself time for yourself and to love yourself (be kind to yourself). It may take time, but it will get better. And don't hesitate to get help (professional or not).

[@rumi885]

Yup to all and on the healing process

[@MindWorld]

Burnout is not a pleasant situation😌😥

[@partsparis]

Could treating burn out resort to anti psychotics

[@michellecd4722]

Caregiving with only 2 days off in a year due to snowstorms being snowed in while both parents are in the hospital and then keep going with burnout or not, just keep going with NO weekend off, NO days off it is literally til' death due us part with my folks. It could be helped but the US Veteran's Administration won't give my 100% Totally & Permanently Service Connected Disabled Mom more homecare hours, they said I can do the 130 plus hours a week 7 days a week without a day off. Nice way to serve Veterans huh?

[@greymatters2965]

Well, this helps. .

[@miguelgr11]

Ive been burning out my whole life!

[@wkt2506]

Use of the term 'depersonalization' here is really unhelpful. Apparently maslach's fault. I think this video is too misleading as there is no disclaimer or qualification. "The term "depersonalization" as used by Maslach and Jackson should not be confused with the same term used in psychiatry and clinical psychology" as a symptom of trauma.

[@sammckenzie6760]

They're scared to say capitalist alienation

[@asifchoudhuryca]

Just the video I needed.

[@ybwang7124]

I am not burnt out I am just plotting

[@jamesssss621]

Wow. This is me.

[@TheDoomWizard]

Try being a millennial who's living in the worst inequality in US history in the past 100 years and where in which 50$ trillion went to the top 1% in the last 50 years. Honestly are you kidding me? Is this a joke?

[@seanmiller292]

I've been a burnout since highschool...

[@Happy_Spatula]

Treating burnout sounds so first world , like there are options

[@nyxthirteen4277]

Sabbatical? Those exist for very few jobs only, lol. So unrealistic.

[@a_gdia2300]

Means to quit your job and to rest for a while.

[@bensuperdetka]

She did not recommended it to everyone, merely stated that that was what she did. And as I’m sure any person who went through a burnout will confirm, quitting or taking a huge ass break most of the times are your only options. The other one is just to keep going until you eventually break down.

[@julianapegas2043]

​@a_gdia2300 still not a valid option for most people... I'm experiencing burnout and if I quit my job to focus on me and my values for a while, I'll just starve myself and my family 😂 It felt so disheartening to have the video end on that note.

[@a_gdia2300]

@@julianapegas2043 Yes, it's hard to live in this world, in which we are constantly required to improve our own productivity. Just keep in mind if you broke, you will pull down your family with you. I hope you find the words to talk with your boss to decrease the work load on you!

[@julianapegas2043]

@a_gdia2300 thanks for your kind response, but... sorry, I don't see it as a matter of "finding the right words". Workplace culture needs to change, as even the specialist in the video points out. And there's only so much we can do by just talking. If that happened to you, if you managed to talk to your boss and reduce your workload, I'm glad it worked out. I just want you to know it's an exception. It's far more common to not be heard, to be told that if I don't want the job, other people will (which already happened to me). And that's what I'm focusing on right now: trying to leave. Not for a sabbatical, but for another job where it's likely I encounter the same kind of situation. Saying like it's only a matter of knowing how to negotiate feels a little dismissive, to me, as it transfers all the responsibility of the problem to the employee, and employers have to be responsabilized too. But, I do agree - it sure is hard to live in this world!

[@GraceFergusson]

If you're feeling burned out, take a Health break: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3mcqqlsa6h-g8kfeature=shared

[@RMoore713ify]

An academic talking about burnout is such a joke. And to address her burnout, she took a sabbatical (6 month vacation)! What about those of us who don't have that opportunity? Some of us can't get our employers to let us take a 6 month paid vacation so we can chill and recharge. What do we do? Shame on Big Think for publishing this

[@sidekick96734]

I need phycologist friends in my life, like Lori, that can diagnose my crazy and help me keep breathing. 🤣

[@Novastar.SaberCombat]

No rest for the weary. Keep working, or else... you'll be labeled as worthless. :) Sleep when yer dead. SLEEP... when yer DEAD.

[@paulwilhelmsen6586]

So I’ve deleted my first two posts to try to follow the community guidelines and I’ll try to make sure this one is better. The jist of the first post tries was. If I get a day off I’m more tired when I go back. If I get two days off back to back I’m a nervous wreck about catching up. If I luck upon a 3 day weekend I’m puking my guts out the night before from stress. The reason I deleted the earlier texts was it made it sound like someone was to blame, but that’s not really the case per se. my boss is great. My foreman is a dick but great at his job, best I’ve seen. It’s not even the owner that’s the problem. It’s the way the reward/pay structure is built and the ppl that ultimately control my pay at the highest levels. I want to keep learning more and more in my field but that doesn’t pay. I make more doing oil changes then replacing electronic control units. I get paid 3x more to do a brake job then diagnose and replace a PCM. The level of technical skill between those is ridiculous but the brake job pays more. If any readers are auto techs and know anything about Honda atm, they know why I’m debating about a job change. 1.4hr to splice 4 control units is gotta be close to unlawful as far as minimum wage goes. Got paid 1.4 hrs to do a 4 hr job. That put me only .10 cents above my state’s minimum. If any Honda tech is reading this post a claim, if you belong to a different industry that you love but is not paying you a legitimate wage, I hope you can find a way to reach out to your peers. Best of luck to everyone. I love my job, I like my company Honda too but sometimes the corporate disconnect from the ppl that make the whole machine go gets bungled.

[@lauranicoll7891]

Why don’t you see what else you can use your skills for? Self employed, another mechanic, Loss adjusting for insurance. You should not feel like that about work.

[@LaSpastica90]

I’ve heard similar complaints about other industries. If you have quotas, you end up working too hard just to meet the bare minimum because it’s all about productivity. The food industry and trucking are two others I’ve heard about that will scam you out of money. Some of the stuff they do should be illegal.

[@jakelilevjen9766]

Who gets a break during the weekend? That seems to be where a good portion of my stress comes from.

[@user-pq4by2rq9y]

I must have the worst case of burnout I know about.

[@LaSpastica90]

I’m feeling the same!

[@ekatasatya2995]

the ' house of cards ' uncertainty i see as the cause. Bad choices.

[@michellecd4722]

Hobbies? lol, lol, this is why work/job that you are paid for shouldn't ever lead to burnout, you can quit and find another one if you are burned out and you can actually have days off, try caregiving without a day off even for your own medical appointments, etc., quitting your parents is not optional unless you want to see them injured & neglected in paid facilities and get sick with guilt, the burnout is lesser than the two evils and neither is good and it's not even the caregiving itself it's not ever having any time to oneself or off and for my situation still having to wear masks in 2024.

[@zagrosqazy3798]

I guess I am not burnt out 😅 yet 😂

[@slantindicular]

Ooh nice. So the cure is just months of paid vacation. Thanks I'll get right on that.

[@aimeeinkling]

Right? It's so utterly unlikely for the vast majority of us.

[@aimeeinkling]

To sum up: Are you burnt out? Don't expect your workplace to change - instead do these rich people things like going on a sabbatical to feel better. 😂

[@joaovmlsilva3509]

Late capitalism and poverty.

[@realme-pw2lc]

Why is this in my feed? I did not search for this. Manipulative feed. Who?

[@RalphdontGAF]

Only the weak and cowardly burnout. I have no sympathy for the weak.

[@borikero1]

Meh, we all thought like that at some point...if you are one of the lucky ones you will grow out of it sooner than later, some of the "strongest" supermans I've met so far in life managed to stress themselves literally to death or a heart attack by their 40s...maybe 50s, that is their best case scenario 😂😂.

[@Otterworldy]

Is this some kind of provoking comment, to get attention or something. That’s weak, fix yourself first before commenting such thing again.

[@LaSpastica90]

Ha! Such a ridiculous statement that I literally laughed out loud.

[@Lilahk92]

Maybe you don't burnout because you're not spending all the cognitive and emotional energy that burnt out people do on empathizing with others? But your views are contributing to burnout around you. That's not strong, It's aloof and sanctimonious.

[@aimeeinkling]

And I have no sympathy for people who lack empathy. 🤷‍♀

[@misspps_]

School just started and I already burned out🥲🤒