NEW HONDA BLUETOOTH Generator EU2200i Exposed! CO Minder Review / 2021 Model

BRAND NEW 2021 Honda EU2200i inverter generator with Bluetooth, App Control and CO Detection in their redesigned best seller. See the full review and details about Hondas latest offering. I reviewed this generator and the CO Minder system to see how useful it is and how reliable it will be over time and can it be BYPASSED? Home Backup Power Generator at it's best!
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Model: EU2200iTAG
Honda EU2200
Engine Honda: GXR120
Displacement: 121cc
AC Output: 120V 2200W max. (18.3A), 1800W rated (15A)
Receptacles: 20A 125V Duplex
Fuel Tank: .95 gal
Run Time per Tankful: 3.2hr @ rated load 8.1 hrs @ 1/4 load
Dimensions (L x W x H)20.0" x 11.4" x 16.7"
Noise Level57 dB(A) @ rated load 48 dB(A) @ 1/4 load
Dry Weight: 47.4 lb.
Residential Warranty: 3 Years
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[@chiyookeynes3007]

Just completed the break-in period and so far the unit is operating perfectly kzbin.infoUgkxOTeIs0vv4_9B5hsmnLsk9r930uDQLu_Y . I was amazed by just how quiet this little guy is. I kept having to walk down the driveway to the generator to make sure it was still running. In fact, the most annoying noise coming from the set-up is a high-pitched chirping coming from the pressure regulator on the propane line. I suppose it's possible my other propane-powered generator's pressure regulator is making the same noise, but the generator itself is so loud I've never noticed it. Build quality so far is excellent. My only nit is the service panel is a little tricky to remove. I feel like I might break off one of the plastic tabs when bending it back. I probably just need to work out the technique, so will not hold it against Champion.Next week I intend to fully load the unit to charge a large battery pack and will update this review if there's any problem (3000W continuous load vs a rated 3100W capacity while using propane). Absent any trouble there, I'm 100% pleased with this purchase.

[@onionhead5780]

I’m 54 and always thought you screw the oil stick in to check the oil level. Never to old to learn something new. Thanks for the intel brother. 👍

[@SilverCymbal]

I work with a lot of Honda generators. The EU2200i is the MOST oil overfilled generator I see. People tilt them, and add more oil, overfill etc. So I wanted to point that out, but not every model is the same the Hondas are but other engines, companies do have you screw in the stick as well. So you may have been right depending which models you use,

[@onionhead5780]

Silver Cymbal Roger that. Thanks again.

[@markwest3030]

I have never seen a better review for any product. Well done good sir. Well done!

[@proud2bnokie]

Thanks for the outstanding video. I purchased an EU2200i yesterday as a backup to my trusty old EU2000i. Like you and so many others, the sensor has me bugged. I was glad to see the unit still runs with the CO module disconnected, but I still have a concern. I assume the CO module is just an input/output device to the internal controller. Inputs being the CO sensor and the reset button. Outputs being the LED's. I worry the control logic will still shut the unit down after the sensor "expire" time arrives, and only an authorized service tech can reset the unit after replacing the module. It will be interesting to watch this drama unfold as these CO-Minder equipped generators age. I suspect there will be much more said about this to come. Thank you.

[@dingdongdaddy589]

My eu2200i is over ten years old and probably has no less than 3,000 hours. Oil changes and one plug change. What a beast...

[@dingdongdaddy589]

I run a 10k btu camper AC with a soft starter on this generator. Plus a fridge, lights, usb outlets charging two phones. A beast indeed.

[@Fekillix]

I'd much rather have an LCD display like their other models than Bluetooth. I don't want to have to pull out my phone to check current draw or engine hours.

[@fitybux4664]

Bluetooth seems like it should be more resilient against years of usage vs an LCD display. An LCD display will only last a decade or less if it's smashed or heat damaged. An LED display might have been nice. But what would you have on it? % load? They could have done that with a simple LED bar graph.

[@acew280]

The 10 amp battery charger was a great feature. I'll keep my old i2000 till they bring the 12 volt back

[@bossu2005]

They will never bring it back. Honda went full retarded on their entire line of generators. They also removed the 12 volt receptacle on the eu1000 and eu3000is CO-Minder/Bluetooth models.

[@acew280]

@@bossu2005 that sucks I made a 25 foot cord up for my snow trailer with their 12 volt generator plug on one end and 7 wire female trailer plug on other end with wires to ground and accessory to charge my rv battery I run a 25 foot 110 volt cord right beside it covers both. I'm told the 10 amp charge uses about 175 watts of my 2000

[@bossu2005]

@@acew280 The non Co-Minder/Bluetooth version is still available but they won't be for long. I ordered 2 of the the non Co-Minder/Bluetooth models as soon as I heard of all this BS a few weeks ago. I knew it was now or never.

[@acew280]

@@bossu2005 good to know Thanks for the info

[@bossu2005]

@@acew280 FYI: The big box retailers like home depot/lowes etc. seem to only have the co-minder versions so I got mine from electricgeneratordepot.com - here is the product page - if you decide to order I'd call them and order over the phone making sure they are sending you the non co-minder version - that's what i did.... www.electricgeneratordepot.com/collections/inverter-generators/products/honda-eu2200i-121cc-2200-watt-120-volt-super-quiet-portable-inverter-generator

[@markb.1259]

Great video! After you disconnected the CO plug, did you run the unit inside your UTV again to see if it would or wouldn't sense CO and shutoff?

[@DonziGT230]

Really? How on earth is the sensor going to do anything when it's disconnected?

[@outbackproduction5720]

Great Job. I like your style of reviewing!

[@SilverCymbal]

Much appreciated!

[@goingruby]

Once again another great review! I just purchased the Generac GP2200i based on your review. Funny how similar this Honda is to the Generac although the Bluetooth sets it apart for sure.

[@SilverCymbal]

The Generac is a great deal and I found the quality to be excellent. I think you will like it a lot!

[@openyoureyes3113]

They should add a low-voltage start to the generators. Then you can use it for Back up power for your battery packs /Solar system 🤔.

[@kerndetailology7632]

I almost got the eu3000is for 2200 but these two 2200s parallel will get 20 amps off companion side and have a lot more watts! I can only find at camping world for 1199 companion and 1099 regular model

[@jayweezy3264]

i legit didn’t even know i wanted a generator before this....

[@BillSikes.]

Great upgrade, can't wait till Kipor steal this technology and start building their own generators with all this new gadgetry, I love my IG2600, a fraction of the price of a Honda 2.5kva and just as reliable

[@DeutscherQualitaetspenis]

Kipor just a fraction of quality of a Honda 😁🤣

[@BillSikes.]

@@DeutscherQualitaetspenis I live completely off grid and am completely dependent on generators, my IG2600 has been in use every single day for at least 10hrs per day every day for the last three year, that's 6000hrs, it hasn't missed a beat

[@DeutscherQualitaetspenis]

strake750 that’s nice 🙂

[@PeteLeonardi]

What's the range on the Bluetooth? I love the watt-meter functionality! Any idea if the EU3000is is also has the Bluetooth connectivity?

[@SilverCymbal]

From what I could see its standard Bluttooth range, around 30 feet. I believe all the models are being transitioned to this style.

[@Mityob67]

Great stuff as usual. Thank you sir!

[@SilverCymbal]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@diederickr]

I don't think that is the co sensor. It's just the mimic panel, I imagine the sensor will be in the intake where it monitors the incoming air to the engine.

[@JJ-hv9vr]

You are absolutely correct. The front module is definitely not the sensor. It’s integrated into the unit elsewhere and I wish I knew where because it’s an awful feature. I bought the thing so it would run under my truck bed with some ventilation for security and to avoid the weather, but the thing shuts down after a few moments of runtime because the sensor is so sensitive. You can open the front panel and pull the connector but you’re only pulling the reset and led indicator. The thing still frigging knows to shutdown even with that little front module amputated from the system.

[@lancedooley7558]

I wonder if honda will have a retrofit for the Bluetooth. This is way better to track maintenance and run time all within the phone. The turn off feature is qhat I want. They make an aftermarket but its a remote you have to keep track of.

[@SilverCymbal]

I don't think they will, I haven't ever seen them offer new features on old models, sadly!

[@bossu2005]

Honda: Here's a feature they can add for all eu2000is, eu2200is (prior and new version) - A Honda branded Gas Cap with Fuel Gauge built in. They can sell it for $50. Now that is a "retrofit" that people would buy. They could probably source the part for no more than $10. This would keep it in line with Honda's MSRP markup of 5x for everything they sell. As for bluetooth retrofit. Forget it... Even if it were a simple panel replacement - it would cost far too much. There are several run meters you can buy that are simple self battery powered and you wrap around the spark plug boot. I wish they would have put a ammeter (either digital or analog) in the panel on the new eu2200i and yes a run time meter could have easily been added too, but Honda will only put these things on the very high end of the product line. I hope the eu2200is I just recently purhased are not going to be recalled and they seemed to have remembered how to make a product that does not leak or short and start a fire. Honda likes slave labor and the customer gets what Honda paid.

[@gds5406]

Great informative video, what the real world craves. Thank you so much. Greg

[@SilverCymbal]

I appreciate. I have been using Honda generators for a very long time and they are by no means cheap but they have made some great products. I was very pleased with this one, add a gas gauge and it would be perfect!

[@jamesstuart3346]

I'm assuming the CO sensor life is not determined by engine hours...?

[@benitez8891]

Boss may i ask if this can operate inverter welding machine?

[@blankblank2345]

great review!

[@dre2407]

I never wanted or needed a generator and yet I'm watching this at midnight instead of going to bed. Thank you youtube.

[@Errr717]

😆

[@samisubzero]

Andrei 😂😂😂

[@WPKITCHENTECH]

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[@ariehisrael]

LOL. I am watching these videos too at 12am. However, I need one and don’t know the first thing about them.

[@hikerhobby1204]

You never know. You might need one someday, you’ll be educated! Happy day!

[@m49593]

I don’t even need this. Watched entire video.

[@vespagts7078]

You need it. You've just been lucky, and on borrowed time. Get one while you still can.

[@santoshkumarapradhan1545]

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[@fitybux4664]

Every state in the US will experience flooding at some point. Hello global warming. Also, the power grid tends to get more unstable the more electric cars you hook onto it. Everyone needs this generator, they just don't know it yet. If you live in an apartment, as long as you have a balcony, you should still be able to run this and survive. (And maybe flooding is less of an issue if you aren't on the ground floor, but power outages still would be.)

[@musiclover-uv9ff]

Does it have GPS tracker. Someone stole my 2000 watt. That would be a nice feature.

[@merc1tree2]

We have two of the older models at my work. One is 6 years old and the other is 8 or so. Never changed the oil, filter, or spark plugs. Ever. They start one pull in warm weather every time and 2-3 pulls in winter conditions. Running in parallel is awesome but best part is how quite they are. You can have normal conversations standing right over them. Greatest small generator you will ever buy, no question.

[@DaDaDo661]

Why not change the oil?

[@biggils8894]

They don’t even have an oil filter, so you better start changing the oil

[@OKFrax-ys2op]

It’s like someone going to McDonald’s every day for lunch, yet their still alive

[@elundrusmagee7915]

@@OKFrax-ys2op😂😂😂😂😂

[@wilkiedriver]

One more Texan here watching this now.

[@brothertax]

You’re in Bluetooth range. “Generator has started.” OH REALLY???!! BRRraahhhh

[@gerald4nomads]

I rather take my current Honda eu2200i with me when I go camping then some over priced battery 🔋 inverter like goal zero 1400 or a jackery 1000

[@vespagts7078]

Agreed. I recently converted my 2200 to tri-fuel, using the Hutch Mountain kit. The ability to run gasoline, propane & natural gas is very well worth the cost.

[@IndianapolisGerry]

Thanks for testing the co sensor. This was/is my biggest concern. if the design changes or there is a parts problem I don't want my generator to be down for something that is only a "nice to have" --- if you follow the instructions, you'll never need this component. I"m most excited that Honda finally added the ability to turn off the fuel separate from the ignition. The amount of small engines damaged by bad fuel...you can make a good living just knowing how to clean a carb...

[@BobJones164]

That isn't the CO sensor. That's the reset switch. The sensor is located in another part of that area.

[@chriss2295]

My EU2000 is 10 years old. Still my most trusted gen.

[@idontcare7961]

Thats Honda baby

[@fozziebear411]

Hah I bought my EB5000 in the early 90 still using it sometime

[@johnmead9012]

@@fozziebear411 still running fine?

[@fozziebear411]

@@johnmead9012 first year using it almost everyday and now whenever framing new houses I using it until I got the temporary power pole yes it still running fine

[@johnmead9012]

@@fozziebear411 damn that's great 👍

[@jmlasiter]

I have the old model, still works great, only way I would update is if I could start it up from the app

[@fitybux4664]

If it doesn't have a starter motor and battery, I don't get how that would happen....

[@brokenarrowoutdoors2467]

@@lleaha no you need to parallel two together. Otherwise it doesn’t have enough power to turn on compressor

[@marcelo403polo2]

@@lleaha I'm pretty sure it will. My older model EU2000 runs small AC units.

[@johnwyman6126]

​@@lleahaIt should be able to start a Frigidaire brand because most Frigidaires have soft start systems in them. The problem with some others is the starting surge. Running, they only use about 4 to 500 W. If it won't start yours, you might be able to add a soft start system to it.

[@mediocrity9574]

@@johnwyman6126 I installed a Micro Air Easy Start in the 15,000BTU A/C on my fifth wheel. The EU2200 runs it just fine.

[@mobileempire5522]

Can the app tell you how many hours are on the generator ??

[@jamesoncross7494]

Why would they get rid of the battery charger? That seems more handy then the bluetooth function.

[@papajo7316]

They got rid of the 12 volt circuit because less then 5% of the purchasers ever bought the 12 volt charging cord. Plus the 12 volt system was unregulated and there are so many good 12 volt chargers that you an buy and just plug it into the 120 AC outlet. I have had my EU2000i for over 17 years and have never used the 12 volt system.

[@bossu2005]

Because raising the MSRP $100 for the "co-minder/bluetooth" model was not enough. They saved $2 by not keeping the 12 volt receptacle and breaker. There was more than enough room on the panel to accomodate both the 12 volt receptacle and breaker and the co-minder sensor/light/reset button.

[@VoIPPortland]

Marketing. BT sells. Silly I know.

[@leandrolaporta2196]

Too bad, I use that battery charger quite often on my 3000is too bad it was removed :(

[@Max_Marz]

Run your generator for only 8 amps worth of charging? totally pointless. I have a 30 amp charger I use in conjunction with my EM600 generator and they're perfectly matched. Pulls about 500 watts making much better use of the power available.

[@randyc5650]

I have 2 older eu200i models for 4 years. I use them every summer to run small air conditioners mounted in box trucks to ship wine in the hot south. The generators are put in steel toolboxes mounted under the side of the trucks. Zero trouble in four years. They still start with one or two pulls and if there is ever any trouble they can be serviced at any Honda Outdoors dealer. Thanks for a great review.

[@OKFrax-ys2op]

What’s the setup like in the enclosure for the generator on the side of the truck? Sound proofing? What is the ventilation like? Thanks

[@randyc5650]

vents toward the rear of the truck to keep out road water with a small hinged door for the power connection. also the door is loose fitting with a hinged bottom and a hasp for a padlock at the top. No insulation because the Honda E 3000i is already quiet.@@OKFrax-ys2op

[@Hiker63]

If the Bluetooth could only fill it with gas and restart in the middle of the night. 😉

[@SilverCymbal]

Now that would be nice!

[@rickbraden4272]

That's why I have an extended run tank. It is worth it's weight in gold!

[@RBG-tr9ce]

@@rickbraden4272 Mine is a six gallon marine fuel tank.

[@KP-sg9fm]

(silver cymbal takes out the CO safety switch) well, now we know for sure this is not a sponsored video LOL

[@SilverCymbal]

I figured that would definitely eliminate any doubts!

[@happyseany]

Love that you disconnected that sensor on the vid.. game changer. Bought mine today!

[@SilverCymbal]

@@happyseany Glad it helped. amzn.to/3kfGnBp Is a nice upgrade for sure!

[@iamatt]

Lost my pre co minder on Matagorda beach with hutch propane kit gahhhh. Buying this one tomorrow after seeing you can eliminate this nanny bullcrap, thanks.

[@JJ-hv9vr]

Has anyone been able to operate the unit with the front module disconnected? I disconnected it so it would run under my truck bed cover to keep it out of the weather (still had some ventilation) and it still knew to trip. Overly sensitive pain in the butt feature. Only, with the front module disconnected, there was no way to reset it. The generator wouldn’t start no matter how many times I pulled the string. I had no choice but to reconnect it and use it to clear the fault. The sensor is somewhere else - deeper within the unit. Hopefully, someone will figure out how to bypass it eventually. Very annoying. If you don’t know by now not to sleep next to a running engine and exhaust fumes this little safeguard will only delay the inevitable. The engineers did their homework - made a pretty confounding, hard to overcome feature. That little plastic module does two things - it indicates when there’s a CO trip and it lets you reset the generator so you’re not locked out from being able to restart. The replaceable part is elsewhere.

[@MRrwmac]

Good review! Thanks! I appreciate you bringing the CO sensor to our attention and the fact that it can be disconnected so it will work when and where we may need it. I don’t like the fact that the DC panel has been eliminated !!! Many uses for that DC panel. I won’t be buying this model because of that.

[@fitybux4664]

Isn't DC also available from the generator paralleling terminals? Isn't that the whole point of those terminals, to provide +12VDC to parallel to another generator?

[@NaturebyGus]

Are you telling me that you are buying all those generators you are testing and keeping them without returning them?

[@chrisjudge31]

Great to know. Post hurricane we ran our eu2000 for 200 hours. Hate to think the co sensor could be a mission critical failure or expire in the middle of a disaster...

[@garbinator09]

Apparently not- as was demonstrated by removing the CO2 connector.

[@fitybux4664]

@@garbinator09 hopefully you'd have the security bit in a disaster. (Or hopefully you know how to drill out screws. Or hopefully your drill still has power, hah!) You could probably drill out the security bit stubs and make it into a normal hex screw.

[@stevehill1802]

Honda missed the boat on this. Bluetooth on a 2200 is simply a toy. Though I have never used the 12 volt charger, it is nice knowing it is there in an emergency, and they took that away. The CO minder scares me. What happens when the battery goes bad? Will it still run? I see you can unplug and it will run. I would like to see a gas gauge, and possibly a watt meter. That would make me happy.

[@garage9845]

I am repairing a generator in Japan. The product is a good idea. It is even better if you install a starter motor.

[@bokiNYC]

O, you can install a starter motor on this model? If yes can you please post the parts and instructions - that would be awesome.

[@mac11380]

Cool, but sounds like more things that can go wrong.

[@lukasebel3994]

I dont know why people would want bluetooth on a generator or on tools etc.

[@bossu2005]

I'm sure the bluetooth has a kill switch on the generator that can be activated by the authorities on demand... That is after it has announced itself saying "Here I am - Kill me"

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[@LouisSubearth]

@@bossu2005 that's very unlikely. Maybe if it had a cellular connection it could make sense, but why would any government want to shut down a generator?

[@bossu2005]

@@LouisSubearth The same reason a government would cut your utility power and water supply.

[@incacondor8683]

external co2 sensors are cheap, don't need it built-in. that was a good review, thanks.

[@AbsoluteASB]

External sensors aren’t going to shutoff the generator automatically. If you have animals or children this is a great feature. Accidents happen and this reduces the risk of a terrible one. And if you need you can disconnect the module. Seems like a no brainer to me.

[@darrenotis5672]

Once you unplugged the sensor, you didn't let it run long enough. It will shut itself off in 12-15 minutes when the sensor is disconnected.

[@411sponge72]

I'll admit when I first saw the title of the video NEW HONDA BLUETOOTH Generator EU2200i Exposed looked like typically KZbin clickbait but I was actually very impressed with this demonstration. Thank you for the video!!!

[@therealsparkman]

I have the EU2200i from three years ago. What a unit!! Quiet and dependable. Always starts on the first or second pull and it runs for hours without a refill. I really like some of the improvements to it on this new version. The flap that covers the outlets and the protection over the reset button. I guess the Bluetooth is an advantage, but not a necessity. Likewise with the carbon monoxide detector. I would be more acute to using it if I were in a confined space where there is no air flow, but if this is being used for camping or a travel trailer, then in all likelihood it would be outside. I would love to get the companion to increase the power. Thanks for the review! Very helpful. Cheers!

[@whosnext2005]

Does the app tell you lifetime hours?

[@Dman-jr8ey]

Bluetooth but still no gas gauge? 🤷‍♂️

[@SilverCymbal]

Sadly no. I will be very interested to see if they even have the fuel garage on the flagship EU7000is that has a mechanical gas gauge. But I have a feeling it won’t either

[@michaelb.42112]

Maybe instead of Gavin Newsom spending billions of dollars on useless shit, he could buy every California household one of these while he shuts the power off to all of us, except his family.

[@postalinVT]

One simple mistake in this review. I want to see if the unit shuts down with the reset module unhooked. What if, in fact, it is JUST a reset module? The CO sensing "bit" may still be active and will shut it down. ( a good thing I would think ).

[@bossu2005]

From the view shown in the video of the disconnected plug going to the module on the panel, the entire module was disconnected from the rest of the generator so it is very unlikely there is some other connection that would allow the module to even be active or be able to signal the bluetooth module that then grounds the ignition coil. Fortunately the CO module is mounted on the back of the panel and not on the PCB of the inverter. If it was on the inverter PCB, it would be a whole lot messier to disable it. So having it on the panel is a blessing. I should not have said that.... Don't give Honda any ideas...

[@RickinICT]

Boss Man I’m pretty sure what postalinVT was getting at was since the unit wasn’t run in an enclosed space with the CO unit disconnected, we don’t know if that module is actually the sensor itself, or simply an indicator/reset switch. In other words, the actual CO sensor might be located elsewhere and still functional. I don’t believe that’s the case, I believe that unit on the panel is the sensor, I’m just explaining what I think the other poster was pointing out.

[@bossu2005]

@@RickinICT Right! You never know. Someone suggested putting Tape (or bubble gum) over the panel "Sensor" - that might be enough to block it, if that is in fact the sensor itself. That would be a lot easier than opening the electrical panel and voiding the warranty.

[@doc.christopherthompson324]

@@bossu2005 . Great another use for duck tape. HA.HA.HA

[@Samlol23_drrich]

I named my generator.......gus

[@coreygrua3271]

Occasionally you come across a master on KZbin. Here is one. He is always trying to figure out better ways to fix the things most of us just live with and grumble about. His videos are clear and very, very, thorough. This one is a good example. He knows Honda generators better than the company engineers themselves. The vIdeo gets my own award of surprising excellence today. BRAVO!

[@SilverCymbal]

Wow, what a nice thing to say, I really appreciate that!

[@Samlol23_drrich]

I second your really well written post!

[@meansled]

Harbor freight Predator 3500w 699.99 $ 12v battery, electric start, 12v charge wires, oil funnel, tools.. the 3500 predator is quieter than my two 2200w & my two 2000w Hondas. 5k$ for all my Honda generators... That’s equivalent to seven harbor freight 3500w predators... not impressed with the blue tooth and co2 sensor. Honda please Add a remote start and don’t change the cost. Thanks for your upload 👍🏻

[@leandrolaporta2196]

Excellent testing without the co2 sensor on it! When I saw that the first thing that came to my mind was "what if that sensor fails?" Now I know it doesn't matter because I can take it off if that happens, thanks!

[@SilverCymbal]

Glad it helped!

[@cash2.0]

Honda should build a gps tracking feature into it for theft recovery. Worried about my Honda but not my cheap generic knockoff that gets the job done just as well and has a gas gauge.

[@nobs997]

With Honda, you are paying for a piece of mind

[@bossu2005]

The carbon monoxide sensor life is a real issue since the life of the sensor begins at date of the manufacture of the sensor and ages from that point on (shelf "non-running" and running time included) so even with a brand new never run co-minder model that is still in it's box unopened, the clock is ticking. Being able to bypass the whole sensor module is good but quite a huge pain in the ass if you had to do that during a power outage or other critical time. Probably best to wait for the warranty to expire then go in there and pull the plug on that module before it comes back to haunt you when you need the power and need it now. After that you'll never waste money on getting it "repaired". Another concern is the Bluetooth module... If that part goes freaky it might render the generator useless, just like window air-conditioner units with digital control panel/displays where the AC fan, compressor are just fine but the "brains" of the control panel is fried and you cannot run the thing no matter what. I wonder if the entire Bluetooth module is disconnected, will the generator still run or will that 50 cent microchip render a $1100 generator into yet another designed to fail piece of junk? Another thing about the Bluetooth... Security. No password on the eu2200i model with this feature... The ability for some punk to shut off your generator does not sound like a feature. Ditching the 12v receptacle was bad. There appears to be more than enough room on the panel for it to have remained even with the co-minder... Those parallel outlets are very low and no-rubber cover for them... I'd rather have a eu2200i with none of these new 'features' and a simple mechanical gas guage. Honda stop adding things people did not ask for or want. Anyone running their generator in the garage or worse is already brain dead.

[@SilverCymbal]

Keep in mind that from the Eu2000 on, they all have a single electronic module that encapsulates the inverter and control systems. This proved to be very reliable and you see very few inverters/control modules fail. I showed that the CO detector could be bypassed and I don't think the BT module would cause this to fail, but sure you never know. I have a feeling that most of the tech for these is shared to some degree with their autos, so all I am saying is that the same company made the original EU line and made this one, so I would expect the same level of reliability. I did have an issue with a CO alarm that can stop my generator from working, which is why I did the test.

[@SilverCymbal]

@@bruceeverett5372 No the app still worked, from the schematic that seems to be a separate module inside.

[@turtmastert3545]

me, I would think that Honda would be opening a whole new can of worms, in regards to product liability, with a CO sensor on it, because some people might assume since it has the CO shut down safety feature, it might then be safe to run the generator in an enclosed space, but it's not safe to run a generator in an enclosed space, but people might assume since it has the feature, and then most importantly what happens if it goes bad, without warning, then somebody dies because of it,

[@bossu2005]

@@turtmastert3545 You would think that the 17 warnings in the manual would be enough. The sensor might be enough to stop the basement runner, but the garage runner might have enough air to make it good enough for the sensor because the garage guy is a bit smarter he put a fan near it and so the sensor says OK but the CO is being blown further into the garage... Generator runs. Guy goes in the house and then later comes back in the garage and goes timber. Honda is running fine. The Sensor worked but mislead the guy! You are RIGHT!

[@videosuperhighway7655]

did you run it for more than 15 minutes to see if the failsafe does not shut the generator down?@@SilverCymbal

[@gregsccso]

I wonder if you could put a piece of tape over the CO sensor to override it?

[@jonathanruiz1543]

Ppl from Texas watching this video right now

[@darrylmcginty1296]

Best generator on the market hands down. I’ve got thousands of hours on my eu2200i.

[@centeguahan3760]

Well I guess you better bring it in for an oil change & servicing before your pistons lock up

[@darrylmcginty1296]

@@centeguahan3760 you idiot I change the oil every 40 hrs. Bring it in where?? I’m not lazy and stupid like you millennials I take care of my own maintenance and repairs!!

[@frankiethefrog1752]

@@darrylmcginty1296 someone is sensitive...nice assumptions. You sound pretty ignorant assuming all people from certain generations are the same though. Millennials range from 25-40 years old but I’m sure you already knew that with how smart you are.

[@chucktaylor7384]

If you remove that CO sensor, it will run but you won’t get any power and the oil sensor will automatically shut the engine down after 5 minutes or so. Not being able to bypass this sensor is going to cost Honda my business. I run my generator in an enclosed box as an APU for my big rig. Although I have it vented, it still shuts my generator down. Their new generator might as well be a boat anchor for my needs. Absolute garbage. Congratulations engineers, you developed a colossal pile of crap that I’ll be returning immediately. Bye Honda!

[@peterzubal6031]

Another youtuber posted how to bypass the co detector, but indicated that to bypass the after 5 minute or so shut down you have to disconnect the connector on the right side of the unit. He feels that this disables the low oil shut down, but he just checks the oil often. I have done this at my ADK camp and it runs just fine. I also wired a switch from inside the camp so we can shut it off from there.

[@johnclyne6350]

Question? I bought a Honda EU7000is a couple of years ago & I’m a convert. I love💕 my generator. I have used it twice at my house during power interruptions. Once for 12 hours in the winter. A second time just last month for 3 days. It has already paid for itself in my opinion. I can run my entire house & my central air with this one unit. Ofcourse it is wired by an electrician to my house electric grid. I’m curious if my model is Bluetooth compatible as well? It has electric start & is their flagship inverter generator. You’ll laugh at this but I hardly ever am home when it’s on because I work as a utility lineman restoring power to other people’s homes & businesses.

[@SilverCymbal]

I also own an EU7000is and used it here for 7 day straight kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHnJeqR3nrqAY9U I never shut down, refueled it non-stop, its an amazing machine. But it isn't bluetooth or app compatible. They have a new one coming out this fall that like this model will also have the app control.

[@edssan]

HI SIR! WHEN YOU USE YOUR GEN SET, DO YOU HAVE TO EMPTY THE GAS TANK OR IS IT SAFE TO LEAVE IT UNTIL YOUR NEXT USAGE? IN MY CASE I ALWAYS USE MY GEN ONCE EVERY 3 MONTHS. THANK YOU SIR!

[@johnclyne6350]

No sir’s are necessary-I’m a working guy. As for fuel storage? If you use your generator atleast every few months? I wouldn’t think you need to do anything with your fuel? We use our generator for when we lose power at home. We lose power for atleast a day once a year. I add Stabil Fuel stabilizer (marine grade) with Startron fuel enzyme. We do that out of an abundance of caution. I add both into empty 5 gallon gas cans before fueling up. That way it properly mixes as I add fuel. I keep my fuel upwards of a year without separation or degradation. Many people might be surprised but the EU7000is is very fuel efficient. During a recent storm in the summer time, we only used about 11 gallons of gas a day. That’s while running the central air during the hottest part of the day with windows open at night. We burned about 30 gallons of gas over a three day outage. That’s running the entire house. 2 full-size refrigerators & an extra large freezer. Hot water, washer/dryer & stove/oven. My wife was using her lap top & my sister in-law was watching tv with lights on. You might ask what I was doing? I was restoring power as a lineman for the local power company & only coming home to refuel & sleep.

[@edssan]

@@johnclyne6350 what a wonderful and informative reply, Mr. John! Big help for me! Unfortunately, I'm not sure if the said additive is available here in my country. Thanks again, Mr. John!

[@SilverCymbal]

@@edssan 3 months should be ok on its own but if you want to be safe, add what I do here to your gas and you can leave it for up to 2 years and not worry: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gajJcnh9j854aKs

[@Channel-gz9hm]

It's an internal combustion engine. Of course it produces Carbon Monoxide. Don't run it in enclosed areas. What kind of moron needs their generator to have an expensive, delicate, and easy to fail sensor on it to tell them this obvious fact?

[@SilverCymbal]

Sadly, there are so many people that still do. Even people running them in garage with the door open. I wouldn't ever do that but even worse, they don't think about a kid or someone else that closes the door with it running after. I totally agree, you shouldn't own a generator if you don't understand these but it still happens.

[@controlledburst]

The CO Minder would be a hands down deal breaker if it could not be disabled. I HATE forced/mandatory 'safety' protocols. They are an INEVITABLE liability down the road. Can't believe Honda didn't realize this.

[@mbdulka]

I'm sure, at least here in the EU, it's a requirement because nanny state.

[@bizzzzzzle]

Yeh, now someone could claim it was faulty and caused injury or death

[@darrenotis5672]

It can be disabled, but this isn't how.

[@Bear-cm1vl]

First, when you shut off the 2200i remotely, the gas cap vent remains open and the gas feed valve connected to the On/Off switch remains open, so shutting the genset off remotely, the carburetor can easily flood out and even overflow because the fuel is fed by gravity. Second, Honda has not addressed the major longevity issue/repair expense for the 2200i; the belt driven overhead valve train. At one point, Honda used to build their engines with an iron sleeve inserted in an aluminum alloy block, which extended the life of their engines many multiples of times the life of an aluminum alloy bore and that made Honda gensets worth the extra money, however I cannot confirm that is still the case. For the (as of this moment) $2400 price tag for the non-California model, the bang isn't worth the buck to me.

[@SilverCymbal]

Just to clarify, the vented fuel cap isn't what allows fuel to flow. Inside the carburetor is a needle valve connected to a spring and float, this regulates fuel flowing. Could leave the fuel cap off forever fuel will not flow if the needle valve works correctly. The vent can stop fuel flow by creating a vacuum but it isn't design to stop the flow of fuel. I agree with you that quality has changed on Honda products, 3 recalls in the past 5 years isn't good and disappointing since prices are still high. Only time will tell is they really last now but they are riding on their old reputation for the moment.

[@theturcanstribe3684]

Please slow down with technology,simpler it last longer✌🏻

[@lehelzelenka207]

Normally I would say you are right about that but it runs without that CO sensor and the bluetooth is just creature comfort, not needed to run it. Honda generators are awesome.

[@theturcanstribe3684]

@@lehelzelenka207 totally agree but you probably know where we heading with all this ,here is funny thing just like other things I saw a barbeque with bluetooth at lowes,and trust me i.m no stranger to smart things I have 57 connection on my router and I love it yet when it gets to repair it gets complicated just like law and tax no go zone without protection 😜

[@tricatfilms6136]

This video is why KZbin was created. This is a PERFECT example of how to make a KZbin video. THANK YOU

[@johndeerrm]

Looking at the schematic for the generator its the yellow wire going to the CO sensor that would shut the unit down. The same wire is also routed to the low oil switch. It looks like grounding this wire will shut it down.

[@rebellucy5610]

Nice review. For small Generators I can do without the Bluetooth. I rather have that info on a nice color screen located on the Generator. Some of the Lithium Battery Generators are doing that and it is quite handy. The new Bluetti AC200. Overall Honda's are still the best gas Generators.

[@bossu2005]

That big square space where the CO-Minder auto destruct feature is located would be a great use of space for a digital amp/voltmeter. You can buy these things on ebay for $6 and you don't need a phone to read it. Just point eyeballs and it works! This idea is in the same category of the non-existent Honda gas cap fuel gauge. No Phones/Apps. Just look at gauge and it works! That might be a $15 part. People have been asking for the fuel gauge forever and Honda knows this but instead we get something Honda's Lawyers wanted and yet another thing that has to have a phone and an "App". The idea of practical usefulness has escaped Honda. BTW: I wonder what data the "App" is sending to Honda Inc. or 3rd party contractor? Quite frankly it is none of their business when, where, how often, how long you have the thing running. The next question is what data is being sent from Honda Inc. or 3rd party to the "App" and then to the generator? More than likely there is a disable function. If I had one of these new models, I'd go in there and unplug both the CO-Minder and the Bluetooth modules and put a hammer to them ASAP. When is this intrusive control BS going to end?

[@jackblock777]

Not impressed with this new generator. Will stay with the old one. Don’t like any tracking apps or useless safety features

[@bossu2005]

Right! - More useless BS to go wrong/go bad...

[@cle569]

Big brother power by honda.

[@gregellis5435]

Excellent video - Thank you for doing it - Just brought one of these home and tried it out on a 1500 watt ceramic heater - The app indicated 1450 watts very smoothly supplied with room for some electronics in an emergency - Started on 3rd pull for fist ever start, Bluetooth app loaded and connected perfectly - Caution - My unit had a good bit of oil left from the manufacturer's test, at least 5 ounces, and had to let a bit out to get the level right before starting - Also - It's easy to over fill the gas - High compliments to Honda on this little gem - Glad I bought it and my wife feels a bit more secure for an emergency scenario

[@Billydevito]

I like the review. I like the new Honda generator. I even like the app. Too bad Bluetooth only works up to about 10 metres. I place my Honda 25 metres away from my camp. Behind a large tree or in a gully so I can’t hear it. I’d like a remote shut off and will buy or build one for my next trip. I’ll stick with my ‘old’ Honda.

[@kengray5793]

Good review. Honda screwed up removing the DC functionality of this generator and I guess I’ll be looking at a different model to buy because of it. Way to go Honda, you add something that’s not that beneficial “Bluetooth” (can’t restart it) and take away something that lots of folks use on this size of inverter generator. 👍

[@6___________99_____________64]

Well the Bluetooth feature is great However the co2 system is what needs to go. Bring back the DC charger !

[@MobileAura]

Honda is always good at being a 2nd rate Toyota.

[@clou1969]

For Canadian I’ve contacted Honda Canada and they don’t plan to supply the Bluetooth features anytime soon for Canadian. Honda preferring leaving the outdated 12 volts outlets. I’ll buy one from USA same price more features.

[@felixcat9318]

What a superbly detailed video, with excellent, relevant imagery and corresponding narration. I found the video to be both interesting and informative and the test of the CO2 Detector was great. Even better was your testing to verify that the machine would still start and run even if it was disconnected! Your review of the phone App was also really well done. I'm happy to subscribe to such a helpful, informative channel.

[@kchedville]

I have stored mine with the Fuel still in the tank (I have the older Model EU2200i - I only run Non-Ethanal Gas in it. Since I do that - is it really necessary to run the tank Dry before a long storage?

[@JaredJanhsen]

I'm glad you tested the generator without the CO detector connected at all. At first I was like "Sounds like a great way for Honda to make you buy a new generator." At least you can unplug it completely and still have it work. I'm sure the part itself is inexpensive, but the wiring is probably Honda's proprietary blend of herbs and spices and are likely very reluctant to sell you this part for less than the cost of replacing your 2200i

[@darrenotis5672]

It will only run for a short while (10-15 minutes) with it unplugged

[@MToytube]

He simply disconnected the reset/test button & led cluster. The actual sensor module is inside the case on the right side behind the panel he removed. Best I can tell from the shop manual, the CO Minder provides a grounding output to the inverter board just like the low oil sensor. In fact, they land on the same pin on the inverter board (yellow wire). So it’s a neat feature for those who are dumb enough to run their generators indoors, but a hassle for the rest of us. If mine ever trips on this CO noise, I’ll be lifting that yellow wire off of the actual module before a dealer ever sees it. Bet.

[@gl7431]

Sadly were I'm at they go for $2,200.00 plus 11.5% sales tax ....the beauty of price gouging and exclusivity zones

[@eosjoe565]

Nice review. Reminds me of Milwaukee's One Key. The last thing I need is my generator talking to my phone. And like you said, all these bells and whistles yet still no fuel gauge - the one thing you really NEED on a generator. There are a lot of electronics in these Honda inverter generators that can prevent them from starting and running. If the Bluetooth can shut off the generator it too can prevent it from starting. On the subject of fuel, I would like to see Honda increase the size of the fuel tank opening. It is almost impossible to see the level of fuel down the hole while you are filling. As a result it is very easy to overflow, which of course is made worse by the lack of a fuel gauge.

[@SilverCymbal]

All great points and I totally agree about the gas, its the most stressful tank I fill up! Little but....stop...filll...little more...spill! I would like to see that improved too!

[@DeutscherQualitaetspenis]

You just need an auto stop fill adapter for your gas bottle that’s all 👍

[@AhrensburgTV]

Is this because people at Honda are completely stupid, or is it because they have no idea, how to add a gauge? Hmmm... I don‘t get it. Maybe noone has told them? Or they just don‘t care? Any real answer available?

[@eosjoe565]

@@AhrensburgTV Honda equipment is weird. They make some of the best built reliable equipment available but some of their design queues are from the dark ages. In this day and age when almost everyone includes an oil dipstick, Honda still uses the tiny oil plug where if the oil runs out when you open it, it's full. :-) I don't know if you remember the Honda riding mowers but they were some of the best ever made yet they had some features that were completely stupid and backwards from everything else on the market.

[@hugomora7759]

I had to buy this as a result of a power outtage from a storm in Sacramento, CA. I'm not a big fan of reviews, especially because my grammar sucks. Anyways I'm glad I got this generator,especially with a new born. It was the last one available so I got really lucky. In 2 days I was able to run my fridge, small heater, 55" tv,cable box,water dispenser with no problem,power strips to charge phones & flashlights. Just whenever I needed to use the microwave,you have to turn everything else off and dedicate it solely to the microwave otherwise it will pop the breaker. It's hard to guess how much gas you have left in it, but I would fill it up every 4 hours. Best investment you can make.I promise it pays itself off by just saving the money on food that doesnt go to waste.

[@joeystiles6764]

Bought one when the day it was released. Pretty awesome generator

[@SilverCymbal]

Great to hear, it has to be the quietest launch I have ever seen.

[@xuchun5371]

what is cost about ?

[@deanieweenie116]

Come on Honda... Still no USB or 12v cigarette style adapter??

[@bossu2005]

That might cost Honda $3 more in parts and there's no way they'd do that. Instead of adding $3 in parts they removed $3 in parts (12 volt receptacle and 12 volt breaker). They put rubber covers over the outlets but moved the parallel receptacles all the way to the bottom and yet no rubber covers for them. That would have cost another 50 cents. None of this stopped them from raising the MSRP.

[@bossu2005]

NEWS: I called my "favorite" Honda dealer jackssmallengines.com about mystery part # 38530-ZS9-W32 ( The CO detector module ) hoping they might have some price information on it. Jacks is my "favorite" since I ordered a number of small parts - different parts from them a year or so ago and all of them were listed in stock but after I placed the order - every one of the parts did not ship out the same day - or the following day or even 5 days later - all of them were "out of stock" and it took Jacks 3 weeks to send me the parts - in 5 different shipments. Thanks Jacks! - Anyway - they have no information on the part, so they placed me on hold and called Honda on the secret dealer line and Honda said they have no information on it either! They said they'd get back to them. Honda sure rolled out this product in the most half-assed manner. If you just bought a eu2200i and happened to get one with a bad CO sensor, the dealer would not be able to put in a new one... Thanks to Honda. Thanks Honda.

[@SilverCymbal]

Very very strange! Thank you for sharing this!

[@bossu2005]

@@SilverCymbal Yes it is. You can't blame the dealer(s) in this instance. Honda should not leave them hanging like this as well as the ultimate customer. This situation is one of the core reasons other non Honda/Yamaha brands are frowned upon as a selling point if you need parts etc. Honda is apparently adopting a more "competitive" model - but unfortunately coming from the better position and going to the worse.

[@happyseany]

I hate the damn CO sensor.. mine keeps shutting down in a custom-ventilated box! I disconnect sensor.. still does it!

[@bossu2005]

@@happyseany Maybe there is not enough fresh air getting into the box? From the test shown in the video, once the sensor is disconnected, the sensor cannot be causing the shutdown... But I'm wondering... Has anyone tested the generator with the sensor disconnected in a open air environment....? Can the bluetooth chip (brains) detect that the sensor is disconnected and mistakenly deem it is defective or expired and then cause the shutdown? This is why I am so against this stuff. It is designed for failure.

[@seansherman1937]

@@bossu2005 I swore I tried the genny out in the open and had same results (when CO-MINDER was disconnected.. but I'll try again)..I agree - the CO-MINDER was ABSOLUTELY invented and implemented because of people buying the Honda's in a power-outage emergency and not knowing and understanding the rules of running generators out in the open/CO poisoning....so then Honda, in their infinite wisdom, put this device on ALL their new Portables and now when people that use them commercially like myself install one of these in a custom enclosure - it shuts downs,..so I'm already over it and will have to use this $1200 mistake in another setting,....or sell the dang thing!

[@EDHBlvd]

Hopefully the new version doesn’t have an endless stream of recalls like the last EU2200i. I still need to get the 2nd recall fixed, but am not super enthusiastic about leaving my generator with a repair center for weeks.

[@RichieRich-l6s]

I've still got to do the 2nd recall too.

[@EDHBlvd]

Moonshine Buck they should be on Honda site. First was leaking fuel line, causing fire. Second is inverter shorting out due to moisture. Not insignificant.

[@GoldSeals]

Do the recall fix yourself.It only takes a few minutes to do.You need to swap out the two rubber spacers on top of the inverter unit,and replace it with a single rubber spacer that covers the entire top of the inverter.Then cover the large connector with newly added new rubber boot.Use honda non conductive electrical grease on inside of the connector.This keeps the water out of the inverter.

[@73MCLOVIN73]

Fuck the carbon monoxide sensor I’ll die happy

[@deltabravo1257]

I bought mine a few days ago. Stumbled across the new model by accident at my local farm and ranch store.

[@skeymoson]

I really wanted to buy this generator… so I went to Camping World .. they had 2 of them but they wouldn’t sell me one. Turns out these are on a recall due to a fuel leak / fire hazard problem .. damn

[@mark33545]

Hopefully someone figures out a way to add the BT circuitry to the old eu2200i, i would really like to have that feature on mine, but not enough to sell it and buy another

[@billping2633]

You did a very nice review. However I want to warn anyone looking at Honda generators. They are not what they used to be. I bought a EU2200 and it would did not run right. Took it to a Honda dealer and they told me it needs a carb and the wires are damaged. They claim someone worked on the generator and will not honor the warranty. It has less then ten hours on the generator no one has worked on it. The only thing I did was put oil and gas in it. I now have Honda involved I want the unit replaced or my money back. Honda told me they would look into it. So I am stuck and may have to buy another one. It wont be a Honda.

[@arnoldsnodgrass2953]

That was an excellent video. Detailed, concise, useful, well-produced. Thank you.

[@tomclark9142]

Always EXCELLENT and comprehensive presentations, sir. Between this unit and the Westinghouse iGen 4500 with electric start, which would you personally select for partial home back-up use?

[@adrianglennbionat]

too late...... I already threw the sensor away. good riddance.

[@jaxxonbalboa3243]

The manual and stickers on the generator itself tell you NOT to use the unit indoors or even in your garage with the doors open SOoo WHY does it have a CO2 sensor??

[@woodscreekworkshop9939]

As a someone I consider to be “handy”, I like the fact that it will run without the CO2 sensor. But brings up concerns that a failure of such safety feature may not be detectable. I am from the medical device industry where all safety features must fail in a most safe manner which in the case of this generator means no start.

[@paperburn]

good question, does it "fail safe"

[@melissasmess2773]

Someone else said it will stop after 15 minutes after removing unit. 😊

[@TheGregWallace]

That is sad that they do not give you a bottle of oil.....I wonder how many of these will be returned/damaged because all the yuppies do not know about adding oil.

[@SilverCymbal]

I used to understand it a little more since dealers always prepped them but now they sell more here tamzn.to/3kfGnBp than any dealer so it should really be included.

[@shikitheundead9394]

True it is pretty frustrating that the oil isn't included; however, there is a low oil shutdown switch that will prevent the engine from starting while indicating as such with a red led in the front.

[@steveshelby2465]

Pretty funny, the owner of the Honda generator, bought a Kubota side by side! So Honda made it to communicate with a phone app, but removed what appeared to be USB port for charging your phone😂. In addition, there is no 30amp plugin, so you can hook two together for 4400 amp but you are not able to use that amount of power for an RV or your house. Now that is some intelligent design😂!

[@SilverCymbal]

When you combine two Honda the second MUST be the companion model that has the 30 AMP plug for using it on RVs. I have no idea why there is no USB but my theory is that USBs were never designed for outside use and they could easily get crapped up. Honda is usually thinking its owners want very long term use so that could be why they leave it out.

[@gil6995]

@@SilverCymbal If Honda is thinking that its customers want long term use why are they adding more electronic crap to their tried and true designs?

[@SilverCymbal]

@@gil6995 They really have no choice, they can't have other brands having, USB, Bluetooth, etc. At some point they will look too dated. Hopefully these things will be as well engineered as the inverter itself has been.

[@PremiumFuelOnly]

@@gil6995 Probably getting sued from people dying over CO.

[@topgunablek]

why removed 12v output? It’s very useful for charging a dead auto battery!

[@neosamurai5374]

I'd buy one TODAY but unfortunately the BlueTooth version is not available here in Australia :( I shall wait...

[@iamatt]

You aren't missing anything with the bluetooth. It's a royal pita to connect to also.

[@jglez4965]

Great video,great presentation good job 👍

[@bienlaborte4583]

That Kubota mini-pickup is 🔥

[@lucast594]

How long it runs on a full tank ?