Simon Jordan and Danny Murphy SLAM PSG's Penalty and QUESTION If VAR is Making Referees WEAK! 🔥👀

TalkSPORT's Simon Jordan and Danny Murphy react to PSG's Champions League penalty against Newcastle United and question if the presence of VAR is making referees appear weaker.
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[@tommyhughes2264]

I am not a Newcastle fan but from someone that loves football Newcastle where robbed, it's as if those that where in charge of VAR where looking to give PSG a penalty and as the clock was ticking down they knew it was now or never.

[@jackbland3406]

Not the first time we have been robbed by one of the giant clubs bc of a dodgey refs there's gotta be something further up at play and refs being the scapegoats

[@PaulGeden]

Completely agree with you... I am not a Toon fan either, but this is a terrible decision

[@abdulmumin6251]

Newcastles goal against Arsenal stood when the ball was out of play

[@dw9652]

​@@abdulmumin6251it wasn't out of play, was in by fractions

[@user-tj1bw7xp2r]

@@dw9652 It's either in or out no fractions involved and it was out btw not to mention a foul on a defender.

[@markdavis8430]

The worst thing about growing up is realising everything has corruption involved init It’s killing all sports

[@happysappy21]

Yeah, that includes the players who often dive when they're not fouled.

[@CAviation-]

@@happysappy21that’s not corruption

[@C_Pedro13]

👏🏼

[@C_Pedro13]

@@CAviation-yes it is

[@CAviation-]

@@C_Pedro13 how is diving in a football match corruption 💀💀💀

[@johnmuuo7161]

When referees in England mess up you give every excuse in the book but when it happens in Europe you call the out

[@john70689]

The English refs and VAR definitely get way more stick than this. Every week their being heavily criticised.

[@freddiegass6961]

Bahahaha such an ill-informed comment. Our English refs are slated daily by pundits, the fans and even current managers. Often regarded as the worst officials in Europe. Why are you so angry and wholistic bro??

[@johnmuuo7161]

@@freddiegass6961 Fans call them out all the time but not this media, fans feel the pain

[@kwasikyei4873]

They are hypocrites. Double standards

[@ticklemetrout9625]

I know what’s happened here you can’t think of anything original to say. So you’ve decided to put a little twist on the ridiculous comment about the bias of English media/players . Your comment is factually incorrect and it’s boring

[@deadpoolslovechild]

And lets not forget the handball by the PSG player, who went down just before half time, Isak didnt make contact and was through on goal, yet the PSG player fell to ground and handled and controlled the ball? Isnt that a red card offence?

[@Columbiagorgekayaker541]

My thoughts exactly I remember that handball and I was furious

[@thumpertoon76]

Correct and a replay was shown to

[@tomwebster5348]

The funny thing is, the commentary said at the time that VAR weren’t even checking that 🤦‍♂️

[@frankieallen2940]

Cry more 😴

[@jm-np4mu]

& a ridiculous EIGHT minutes of added on time!

[@godisgracious.8104]

Simon just accept the call, respect the var and officials. Please stop undermining the officials.

[@Isleofskye]

Do you accept and respect obvious mistakes in YOUR life when they are to your detriment? ?

[@BlueHefner1986]

Exactly what he said a couple of weeks ago 😂😂

[@hustleup3840]

😂

[@LordHighness]

@@Isleofskye He's OBVIOUSLY being sarcastic and using Simon's own BS against him. Come on, keep up, ffs.

[@LordHighness]

@@BlueHefner1986 A couple of weeks ago? VAR and poor refereeing decisions come up every day and Simon has been banging the drum that we can't question authority for months and months now.

[@Rossco1991]

Ah so when it's not an English ref Simon will finally go in on officiating.

[@thewengerinn5555]

Just what i was thinking 😂😂

[@ajc1482]

Oh behave, he's harsh in everyone but it's not his fault the ref last night was so bad he makes PL refs look amazing

[@haamulubechooka6908]

That's exactly what I was thinking, he is such a hypocrite

[@user-hd8yj7ro2j]

Very on point

[@xrovyn]

100%

[@TooDarnSoulful]

We CAN bring VAR into this conversation, it was VAR that questioned the REF's first call !!!! That was a terrible call from the REF and VAR !

[@Redballoon99]

VAR is just giving the ref the chance to take a second look. THATS it - ITS ALL THE REF - the REF is the only one making mistakes

[@Manc268]

Exactly.. it is Var bcos they influence the ref..

[@Redballoon99]

@@Manc268 its the ref because he allows himself to be influenced. anyone can play that STUPID game. the decision lies with the ref. SO its ALL the ref.

[@Manc268]

yes, in an ideal world it should be that.. but snce var's arrival.. refs dont act the same anymore no ? @@Redballoon99

[@Jay-Jay_007]

Chested the ball onto his own hand..Which when handled was no advantage to other team. Handball & Pen all day

[@90jimmychoo]

I'm sorry Simon has killed himself in the first sentence. You cant have it one way for Premier League refs (advocating for their protection in media) and bring the hammer on UEFA referees. Everything he has said the last 2 months has gone out the window and has no credibility

[@LordHighness]

True but it never had any credibility when he was saying all of that before anyway, because he's been talking out of his backside on this topic all along.

[@mthornton4096]

I think if PSG had equalised from open play, I’d have no argument at all. They barraged us all 2nd half. We defended superbly well though. It’s a sucker punch. No discussion will change that now. Fair play to us though. We have gone to PSG with a 17 year old in midfield with 3 senior appearances , a bench of 2 goal keepers and academy players and still got something. Did us proud…. Plus we have been on the right side of VAR a few times this season. Probably our turn to get done over by it

[@kipp1231]

Should've never been 8 mins xtra time. UEFA desperately wanted one of their cash cows to stay in

[@thumpertoon76]

Exactly

[@tomwebster5348]

The head of UEFA was sat next to PSGs owners for the game, and VAR only showed the ref one angle of the handball - the one from behind him that makes it seem it might not have hit Tinos chest - coincidence? Doubtful 🤷‍♂️ and now the VAR official was ‘punished’ with a paid night off - can’t make it up

[@stevepow84]

Jim White turning against VAR now Newcastle are the victims 😂 get this man off air and in a retirement home

[@Belligoal.5]

lmao

[@uxdsngr]

He doesn’t, what are you watching?

[@Do27gg]

He was fine when Liverpool actually got screwed over

[@philscott3759]

Yeah because every var decision is just as incorrect as another? It's time for you to grow up.

[@stevepow84]

@@philscott3759 Arsenal, Wolves, Liverpool all told to stop moaning and get on with it, soon as its his beloved Newcastle its time to make a change 😂 flat out embarrassing

[@matthewbrears2129]

That solution from Chris was brilliant - if there's a call where the ref isn't 100% sure, they ask to see it again (go to the screen). Surely they know when they're not sure on something, and they can independently take another look without feeling pressure from the fact that they've been 'asked to go and have another look', which is code for "you might have got that wrong".

[@jvaddison]

This COULD cost newcastle millions! In any other industry, you lose millions, your gone, end of.

[@matthewbrears2129]

@@jvaddison It absolutely could yep. But if referees were punished for every mistake, there would be no referees, so no games. Obviously, punishing referees right now is not an option.

[@jvaddison]

​@@matthewbrears2129that was an agenda not a mistake pal.

[@joshdear9173]

It’s very simple. If it is an accidental hand ball give an indirect free kick instead of a penalty.

[@k4yser]

This!!!

[@lawrencehaynes6408]

That is still subjective, based on the refs opinion on what is accidentally.

[@joshdear9173]

@@lawrencehaynes6408 nothings perfect, an incident like last night would be an indirect free kick. Where as oxlade chamberlains diving save against Chelsea is a penalty

[@Jordanz0rd]

If it stops a goal I think that's not an ideal solution, but otherwise yeah I agree

[@davidduke2765]

yes! been saying this for years too. it cuts out diving on the edge of boxes and these 'technical touches/fouls' that give away penalties and decide games

[@gaiustesla9324]

Its basically like they wanted to reinvigorate the handball rule as it barely was ever used ....because NO PLAYERS especially defenders try to handle the ball in the box ON PURPOSE as they know that WILL cause a pen. That would defeat the entire purpose of defending. You can also easily tell if its deliberate due to the fact the action is so quick and the decision to do it and the actions involved look different to all the other millions of instances you've seen of players naturally behaving.

[@ljs185]

Incorrect. They handle the ball to stop a goal and hope its a penalty and they miss it or the ref doesnt give the penalty. Players intentionally handball all the time. Its human instinct. What you rather the opponent have a pen or a goal?

[@gaiustesla9324]

@@ljs185 Give me 10 examples from this season.

[@stevenhaas9622]

No it was because players got very good at making deliberate handballs “look” like inadvertent handballs.

[@delby66]

@@stevenhaas9622 C'mon. How long have you been watching football? Have you ever played the game competitively? Most hand balls are not done deliberately. Wake up. That hand ball was not done deliberately. His arm was in a natural position. When you are running and trying to stop a player advancing, you don't run with your arms by your side. It hit his leg and his arm was not extended far from his body. You can't tell me that Livramento's arm wasn't in a natural position.

[@TheAbswarrior]

Ball to hand or hand to Ball, I feel like that's all we ever needed in terms of analysis, don't know why we departed from that.

[@harrisonjoa]

Wait, aren’t all these guys saying exactly what Arteta said?..

[@fredlewis6527]

It’s about needing clear and conclusive evidence to overturn the onfield decision. Newcastle got a bit lucky with the Hakimi and Gordon one as the onfield decision was no penalty. If the onfield decision was penalty then it probably would have stayed like that after VAR check. When it’s debatable it is meant to stay with the on field decision. There was no debate about the last penalty, yet the on field decision was still over turned. That’s what is so mental about it

[@Trevis-Asprilla]

The caller Chris from Stoke, Got it bang on! Very well said mate! He hit the nail on the head!

[@ajc1482]

Simon's right, the ref could have just said no penalty still. The ball deflects off the chest and hits the back of his hand which is in a natural position....no penalty.

[@chrissymc886]

The ref, as soon as he is told to go to the screen is instantly feeling like he has to change his mind. It messes with their heads.

[@theorgazoid4918]

Need a ref with the balls to say no mate sticking with my decision

[@NoFrictionZone]

Exactly! They automatically feel they made a mistake.

[@hi-ls6lt]

@@theorgazoid4918it has happened before, thankfully. But just very rarely.

[@EgoCityGamingUK]

There is nothing wrong with VAR, the issue is the incompetence of the people running it… they are told it has to be clear and obvious, if something happens and it’s not clear and obvious why is VAR contacting the ref? These people should be sat in training weekly, going over multiple scenarios and being asked question, like a theory test for driving. Until they get them all right regularly they don’t get big games

[@UlriQ]

Two weeks ago it was “respect the referee’s authority. VAR isn’t perfect. Arsenal should stop complaining” Fast forward to now and the hypocrisy is laughable 😂

[@HibariKyoya007]

English ppl always barking if they related club/ club from England lose

[@smichaelb1980]

​@@axel5178 I guess if you criticize the referees decisions,but do it in a genteel 'English' manner,then it's ok. Emotional foreigners like Arteta need to do things the proper way,I get it😉🙄

[@chrishaswell4405]

But VAR didn't do anything vs Arsenal they just didn't over turn a 50/50 decision but Arsenal felt the need to cry and are still crying about.. where as last night they over turned a decision that wasn't worthy of being over turned .. that's the difference but u kids don't understand it

[@robertemmanueljonjo2889]

​@@axel5178Hand ball is also subjective. So y'all shut up and go out of Europe in peace.

[@oludareawotesu3615]

​@axel5178 what do you mean "everyone"? Please speak for yourself. That was a stone wall penalty. A draw was a fair result. Next time when newcastle cheat, you speak up and not tell the other side to accept the result. Because Karma is real.

[@morganashton5344]

When the on field ref went to watch the replay, he was there for such a short time and got showed hardly any replays, which were slow motioned and paused on the shot of the ball hitting his elbow

[@herrzyklon]

Rugby uses VAR perfectly. In that game, it's generally the referee who asks the VAR for specific angles, specific events, specific speeds etc. In football, the VAR are refereeing from a distance, and can show biased (not consciously necessarily, but still there is room for suspicion) views. The onfield referee is not the one in charge

[@northcountryman]

100%

[@money_chunks91]

I agree with Danny regarding handballs. Only give penalties if it's deliberate. In vague situations, no penalty should be given. I think VAR should be used to validate a referee's decision and should have the final say, and not the other way round. It needs to expand to things like corners and throw-ins within a third of the pitch of the opponent's goal.

[@NoContextRDH]

You are spot on. ‘Clear and obvious error’ seems to have been abandoned, anything that is ambiguous or where you need to examine it with 5000 different angles is clearly ambiguous so how has the referee made a clear and obvious error

[@Steezen29]

@21:20 This guy has absolutely nailed it. VAR needs to be used as an additional resource for the ONFIELD Ref to confirm THEIR initial judgment, and they should be allowed to requested the specific angles and relays factoring in speed and distance.. Then only THEY can be held accountable for the decision if it's the wrong one.

[@southwestslots]

The worst thing is the ref looked at it on the monitor and still gave it 😂

[@justlloyd7881]

That's what I find so weird about VAR. Back in the day we'd give refs the benefit of the doubt given the speed of the game and no replays available. Now they have replays yet make the dumbest decisions..

[@MrOlliebird]

He barely even looked at the screen he gave it so quickly 😔

[@kanwar47]

It was a penalty because his arm was out

[@deeplaysgaming4754]

@@kanwar47 show me a any footballers that run with their hands to their side, show me a 100 metre race where sprinters keep rtheir hands by their side, you need your arms to run, the player was running right beside the player at close range who shoots the ball into his arm off his chest.......you obviously have never played football, its like when the balls kicked at close range at your nuts......theres no gettin out the way.....if you know you know.

[@southwestslots]

@deeplaysgaming4754 don't worry he's obviously never played the game or doesn't understand natural body movements.

[@blip2012Toon]

Ref had been excellent until that VAR led issue, they got it completely wrong and the Ref followed them... disappointing

[@Manc268]

disappointing yes, it also needs questioning

[@abrahamadekanye5714]

Nah, the ref cut Newcastle some slack, there was a handball call before the penalty that he did not even notice and waved players away. Outstretched arm, it was a clear penalty but he over looked it. The penalty is the correct decision as we saw same decision against Liverpool in the europa league. Some people say it's a penalty, some people say it's not. It's a subjective call. Take the decision and move on

[@blip2012Toon]

...well thats a different opinion I guess, game on tho and onto the next one@@abrahamadekanye5714 (very telling that the VAR official stood down)

[@hi-ls6lt]

This just sounds like you’ve been listening to the commentary. This referee has never quite convinced me of his abilities. Every time one is called “the best in the world” their standards seem to drop considerably.

[@blip2012Toon]

watched the game on TV (not sure you did) so opinion is based on that... thought the Ref controlled the game until that decision, the PSG players were surrounding him all the time and desperate for a penalty @@hi-ls6lt

[@nngoka]

Funny how Simon and Co didn't take this stand when it came to Newcastle's "goal" against Arsenal

[@JulieDorsetBelle]

Because that decision was correct by VAR...

[@nngoka]

@@JulieDorsetBelle I think this is corect too all subjective

[@oba-one]

​@@JulieDorsetBellekeep saying it. It hurts doesn't it?

[@Andre-ym2bm]

Reminds me of the penalty given against Sissoko in the CL final

[@wullieman]

No difference than every other week ,shocking decisions

[@Shsjier]

That does not happen every week. You'd never see that in the prem now

[@yourdailyjoe3155]

​@@ShsjierYeah you'd see worse ones in the prem

[@Shsjier]

@@yourdailyjoe3155 give an example

[@jamesusanashville9678]

I thought Newcastle are invisible to VAR after Arsenal game and these guys comments

[@KevinGenius1000]

Exactly.....smh.

[@StewartMarsden11440]

Eddie Howe accepted the error like a man. Unlike squealer Arteta.

[@tedb112]

​@@StewartMarsden11440or accepted it due to lack of ambition 🤔

[@Isleofskye]

Ambition to be a squealer? @@tedb112

[@philscott3759]

​@@tedb112Arsenal goal was fine. The most thorough var check I've ever seen and it was even explained to you all. Squealing like a pig rather than take it like a man = ambition, does it, son? Yeah but no.

[@joemeracap2492]

A potential solution to VAR that hasn’t been talked about: Put the onus of the on-field ref to call for a review, rather than have VAR intervene and ask the referee to review something they may have missed - this is what they do in rugby. The ref can pause the game and allow VAR officials the time they need to check all necessary angles. By having VAR officials ask the on field ref to check a decision, before they even see the incident they head to the monitor assuming they have made an incorrect decision. If done in reverse, the VAR official can simply review it objectively and provide a decision. Of course, they may still get decisions wrong, but I feel that this would be a better way to implement the technology.

[@SIMIskits]

Nobody talking about the camera angle they showed him and how they predominately showed him the still image of the ball on his arm.

[@AlReetMayte]

Funny how everyone is mad like when Liverpool got a bad decision, but when it was arsenal it was completely ignored. Astounding bias.

[@ryanmurphy7976]

Liverpool and Arsenal was two totally different situations

[@adamboow8299]

Funny how arsenal have taken over the mantle from Liverpool about always being the victims

[@stevendavis7079]

So which of the 3 decisions were wrong with goal against Arsenal in your expert opinion. Numerous calls have said not offside, Bein sports proved the ball was in play and its 50 / 50 on the foul. So please enlighten us all with your insight.

[@AFCbirmsy]

Respect the refs lads, this isn't helpful for the officials. Think of the poor Sunday league refs that will be abused now because of your comments...

[@UnknownPerson-yx2sb]

I still don’t get the handball rule, in the PL. In the NEW 8-0 SHU game, the ball came off Gordon’s hand and he assisted a goal that counted. In the LUT 2-1 CRY game, The ball hits Edouard’s arm off of a deflection and then he scores and that was disallowed.

[@elbeillustration762]

The VAR got stood down because they only showed the ref the most incriminating angle, where it isn't immediately obvious it hits Livramento's chest first. They also freeze framed it on the ball connecting with his arm. So yeah, leading in the extreme.

[@Stevenbutterworth1992]

Have you noticed Jamie Carragher, Micheal Owen, Gary Neville and Alan Shearer? Hahaha, are now slamming VAR after celebrating that it robbed Arsenal just recently? Life comes at you quick 🤣🤣

[@kaysk8000]

it wasnt a foul.. get over it maybe an offside..

[@LordHighness]

@@kaysk8000 Pushing someone in the back is not a foul? This is football, not wrestling.

[@memphismartin196]

It's ridiculous that there isn't even a debate regarding the VAR system in rugby.

[@phillipcarter8045]

what is a foul in rugby 🤔🤔

[@chrissymc886]

It works in rugby.

[@LordHighness]

There are no offides in rugby, and no handballs. And rugby stops and starts constantly meaning the VAR morons don't feel so pressured to hurry when making decisions. Football is a momentum sport and all about the flow of the game. You're comparing apples and oranges.

[@alibarznji2000]

That handball looked so accidental that I was baffled they called the referee to look at the screen

[@think_fool]

can we get the audio from the VAR room for that call?

[@adrians-ro8kk]

*THERE WAS NEVER A MAJOR HAND BALL ISSUE IN FOOTBALL* There were only 2 huge incidents in 'recent' history and that was Luis Suarez and Henry against Ireland. There was never a call for the rule to change. They just complicated it for zero reason. They have made it a mockery.

[@dstewusa7054]

💯 👏👏

[@hi-ls6lt]

Also Nacho Monreal vs Man City I’d say. But yeah, handball rule changes have been some of the stupidest changes made to football. As you have said, there was never any need to alter or change it.

[@jonathanhall7815]

Even if he had his hands stuck inside the side of his shorts, VAR would still have recommended a penalty. The referee should have had the courage of his convictions.

[@davidbarton3106]

Look to the link between psg and uefa,ie who is on the board at uefa and has a big say in psg

[@tkamm]

In the NFL the ref makes an announcement on his decision for or against a penalty. It’s a small detail but I feel like it might help if refs had to announce to everyone why he is making a call.

[@justlloyd7881]

Has VAR solved anything in terms of bad calls or do bad calls seem worse?..

[@Redballoon99]

no - its got FAR MORE right than wrong, you only need to look at the number of offsides got wrong and penalties got wrong. Far few times is it wrong when second check is done, and thats all VAR is a chance to have a closer look. Thats it.

[@Isleofskye]

@@Redballoon99 Luckily,I have watched all of my 1,770 LIVE matches over my 60+ years of attending without the poisonous VAR slowing the game to a crawl, sucking the joy out of the game, and giving us "secondary" celebrations off a SCREEN!!... You can't even spontaneously rejoice now for fear of bitter disappointment as VAR tries various ways to rule out the goal. It is totally ruining the flow,continuity and momentum of the game. How can an onfield referee give a goal and then VAR rule it out by millimetres as the human eye can not detect that so it is not a "clear and obvious mistake" though the lines ay that the scorer IS millimetres offside? GOOD NEWS for you Forensic Football fans. They are now talking about bringing VAR into corners and free-kick decisions. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 1

[@timoni250]

I'm glad Newcastle fans are feeling same way we the arsenal fans were feeling wen they rubbed us with VAR 😅😅😅😅😅

[@ld6433]

Other than the fact that was the right decision, it’s embarrassing yous are still going on about that..

[@markuswilliams3190]

Youll still be crying about it next season.

[@abrahamadekanye5714]

It's a penalty accept it and move on. It's a subjective call. We saw same decision against Liverpool in the Europa league

[@ld6433]

@@markuswilliams3190 am over it me, we have been fantastic these past couple year and still with a shout to qualify or europa, the lads have done amazing and given everything they can.. We don’t demand a team that wins but a team that try’s..

[@markuswilliams3190]

​@@ld6433 i agree Newcastle are definitely on the up and its fab

[@matthewgeary8872]

JUST GOTTA GET ON WITH IT

[@archi3967]

Honestly handball can be fixed easily, if it hits the hand is a foul kind a of like feet in field hockey. Makes it super harsh but clears it up

[@JSP7979]

I remember watching a game, a cup game earlier this season, no VAR. It was brilliant because the referee actually referee'd the game!

[@LordHighness]

*refereed

[@milton8009]

Poor Jim. The call was Handball. Just accept it. Isn't that what you said to Arteta. 😂😂😂

[@daverobertson623]

Apparently when it's Arteta the rules are different.

[@davidmullins7866]

The on field decision was no pen hence the call was no pen var and the ref overturned it, in the arsenal game the on field decision was a goal so the ref and var didn't overturn it different situations really

[@milton8009]

@davidmullins7866 the difference is in how they are talking about it.

[@tezzaj777]

😊 Been watching games from the 1960s, no VAR, no one offside by a toe or the tip of their shoulder, no waste of time and still getting wrong, no tippy tippy football. Totally better game back then.

[@jonhayes7322]

Like in other sports - managers have 2 challenges/reviews per half. If you get it right, you retain the challenge. VAR is used only in these instances.

[@user-dk6jb6hq9t]

I honestly feel like I have stopped enjoying football matches anymore

[@mjimlee]

Hypocrites No english referees to protect you

[@djmattblack]

"Last April, in their guidelines for the upcoming season, the Uefa board recommended that there should be clarity that no handball offence should be called on a player if the ball is previously deflected from their own body," Hackett said. "But this recommendation was not implemented - and Newcastle paid the price at the Parc des Princes."

[@LordHighness]

It was previously the case but IFAB actually changed that law at the start of the season. Now they're talking about switching it back again. What a farce.

[@djmattblack]

@@LordHighness it wasn’t implemented in Europe though, hence why there’s been so many or these handballs given in Europe

[@RicoTheUnknown]

If this had happened to PSG, this conversation wouldn’t even happen on talksport 😂

[@krankieboolean1340]

Televise the meetings where rules are discussed and amended. We need transparency.

[@lfcspectre4335]

Sir Simon = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts

[@ryanhindley174]

I think its fantastic. Liverpool denied a goal against toulouse for the exact same thing and nobody says a word. Now everyone is crying when it's Newcastle. Unreal

[@HuwEvans.]

You think it’s fantastic more poor decisions are made because your team has had poor decisions?? 🥴

[@environm3ntalist549]

I’d expect that type of mindset from a Hindley

[@GIBBO4182]

​@@environm3ntalist549he's even got the dyed blonde hair...

[@ryanhindley174]

@@HuwEvans. I dont care what happens to other teams but it happened to Liverpool and nobody said a word. the bias is unreal

[@stemorris2010]

Liverpool always complain, becomes white noise

[@diddyxl]

The United match in the last CL fixture has the same thing TWICE. Both PKs given for handball on both sides were grossly incorrect. This match however is a mind blowing gaff. The ball hit his body then arm from about a few feet. WOW.

[@cainhopkins2378]

one thought.. it's last minute of the game and a shot on target which should have lead to a corner, although it was unintentional it was a form of obstruction penalty awarded?

[@MatchesMalone1183]

The only comfort I can take as a Newcastle fan, apart from the amazing performance of the players, is that the more these incidents happen the more likely it is that VAR will either be overhauled or scrapped.

[@TheMalcolms7]

Oh Now who is criticizing the refs? What about letting the refs do their jobs Hun Y'all are a joke!

[@timetide5961]

Referee let down football last night, thats one of the worst decisions ave seen, Refs should be on a rating system or even sent off !

[@thumpertoon76]

What happened last night was when the ref went to look at the replay he was told from the VAR assistant that he had €100,000 on 1:1 at 4/1 and he woukd split it with him... Also platini had a brien envelope waiting for them to keep Paris in contention...

[@user-br3ju3fw2o]

What about the clear pen psg should of got on the foul and the clear hand ball earlier

[@igg3937]

Miley's handball? It was a very similar situation; it hit his thigh first then ricocheted up and hit his arm. The decision was correct.

[@jonezy1234]

Use this PSG penalty as a case study for handball, it's bounced off his chest then brushed his arm, surely it should be interpreted as accidental handball and no pen. Why they try to over complicate things I don't know. The refs bottled it right at the end but VAR shouldn't have even told him to go and look at it.

[@Manc268]

they introduced guidance last year that states this type of incident... and didnt follow it for this incident in the game but DID earlier on for another very similar & dismissed it.. work that one out

[@PhantomOverlordX2]

And what happened last night, and it's fallout will be the reason why VAR will never change. Why? As fans will care more about a team getting oned upped, after theirs was supposedly, then VAR and such changing in general. I get being biased, But it shows that nothing is gonna change, where you get the decsion or not. Till fans and pundits are all 100% behind something, will it see the light of change, but not now.

[@justlloyd7881]

Maybe if pundits like Simon kept the same energy fans wouldn't be playing one-upmanship over bad calls. Pundits aren't helping the situation one bit..

[@redmed10]

No point in having var if they've got the option to refer it back to ref. Var can watch incident for as long as they want in calm situation. Ref has limited time with noise and immense pressure on him.

[@utuber594]

Justice for robbing arsenal last month

[@user-ls1lu7gu4u]

The referee couldn’t quite get over the finishing line. The pressure of the fans got the better of him. He was brilliant up until that point.

[@Anthony-kx6rt]

We accept that mistakes are made VAR but when it decides things like qualifications or final standings then there needs to be a resolution wether its a replay of the entire match or a restart from the point the officiating fooks the game up it’s extreme but something has to be done too much money at stake

[@bc0125]

The English media gotta calm down the over the top reactions. VAR or no VAR, these things happen. I didn’t think it was a pen but it’s borderline. It’s not some gross injustice

[@eddiel7635]

Its negligence and the conversation needs to be had because it’s obviously not working. Rugby adapted how it uses the video ref, football should as well. In rugby they talk through the incident whilst referring to the rules. If they did this in this instance they wouldn’t have got it wrong.

[@pauldavid1388]

​@@eddiel7635oh yeah, like the conversation about Arteta complaint after the Newcastle vs Arsenal? Please, give me a break...

[@amanuelyohannes8626]

The difference is Uefa is more honest than the FA. The referee in this case has been stood down for making a mistake. But when referees and VAR assistants make Embarrassing decisions as in the case of Arsenal Vs Newcastle United, the FA and the English Mainstream media covers up for them and charges Arteta for speaking truth. Now everyone is using the word "Embarrassing", the exact word Arteta was charged for using.

[@user-pu1ds4gy4x]

Its a penalty everyday in European competitions, Manchester united had the same penalty call with martinez last season against Real Sociedad and nobody was crying about it

[@jonybeam21]

if you think that was a Pen then clearly you don't understand the rules of football well enough

[@Redballoon99]

@@jonybeam21 you not reading what he wrote

[@allanhepburn403]

The fact they have stopped the car ref from next game is an admission that they got it wrong . Not all changes are for the better var a prime example. Same thing happened with Liverpool. It's not until end of season where you could say an extra point could make the difference between staying up or winning. Things need to change ..

[@Chdk24]

100% VAR has DESTROYED the game. It is UNWATCHABLE. I’m a Middlesbrough fan and I feel sick for what happened to Newcastle last night. I feel so lucky my team plays in the championship away from all this bullshit. I hope VAR never comes down the pyramid.

[@davinchristian7295]

Even tho it’s not a pen. The same happened to Reece James against Liverpool and no pundit care so why should fans care when they only promote teams they favor

[@KevinGenius1000]

What side are these guys on....when it happen against ARSENAL Its all good no problem 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@mustardking20]

Tough call. Beyond that, getting a ton of former players is not the best call as we see their punditry consistently and the takes they give hourly can be seriously suspect at times.

[@paulfitness5157]

And the offside rule needs to change too ,there has to be a clear space between last defender and attacker for it to be deemed offside.

[@leazesndr5318]

That was simply a "let's try to keep Kylian in the Champions League" decision. Had Mbappe been playing for Madrid or whoever that penalty would not have been given. UEFA want to try and keep their golden boy in the Champions League. It's as simple as that...

[@richardbroad2848]

I also totally believe that var presents the perfect opportunity for such corruption to take place and that this is happening in all of the leagues where it's used, especially CL and EPL.

[@shaunjp2211]

I’m sick to death of Var with the match against Fulham the latest and every single match this season Wolves have been screwed over. By all reports we should have at least another 7 points and be further up the table.

[@Manc268]

ive been sick of it for 3 years & rarely watch a game anymore.. its ruined atmospheres in stadiums, seems to manipulate results more than enhance them now. Referees are now looked down upon as they seem to have no authority anywhere.. overruled by some people in a box somewhere with a mic & somehow see replays different to the rest of us... and they dont always show the best replay properly.. and those lines they used to draw.. hehe.. shambles, and they still dont look right sometimes.. there is questions all over he place when u look at what var does..

[@oumuamua1963]

What is the difference between ball to hand and hand ball

[@daverobertson623]

So when it is Arsenal we shouldn't criticize VAR or the referees, but when it's Newcastle, it's fine? No wonder these clowns are not taken seriously.

[@bc0125]

Danny has the “courage of his convictions” to copy Simon

[@latergator915]

He's decided to price it into his thinking

[@nathanarelisky4545]

didn't they all criticise Arteta for questioning decisions, now they doing it... hypocrits

[@chrysostomoduc5339]

I remember someone say to Martin Keown "do u have a problem with respecting authority?" What is this nonsense talking about the refs? They're exposed!

[@simonthompson3846]

To quote Jordan, it happens to everyone just get on with it!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡

[@wade1198]

Arteta in hes room singing, burnaboy e don cast las las, na everybody go chop breakfast😂😂😂

[@224Vince]

What about something similar to Wimbledon. Each captain has maximum 3 vetos per game in which to question a ref decision. At that point, both team captains go with ref to VAR screen and the ref either agrees with the veto or proves he was right?

[@shealey9763]

The decision was outrageous, but at the same time I think back to when I played football as a youngster and watched football in years gone by. There was simply not this constant debate over whether a call was valid or not.

[@TheLittleLionMan79]

The problem with these clowns is….if this was Arsenal there tone would be completely different….respect the decision and move on 😂😂😂

[@user-qf9rg7pm1m]

It's a subjective call... At least that is what we heard when it was about Arsenal. Trust the Referee

[@KevinGenius1000]

Exactly

[@fredlewis6527]

Yeah but the rule is you need conclusive evidence to go against the on field decision.

[@180times2]

Absolutely correct. Stonewall pen in my view.

[@davidduke2765]

I have a SIMPLE solution! This is for any foul that happens within the box that is not a goalscoring opportunity. Give an indirect free kick inside the box, similar to the pass back rule. this would eradicate a harsh 'penalty/punishment' for small non-scoring fouls.

[@ostgoten77]

Start sweeping for your own door. Handball controversies happen often in PL also.

[@fullydavid]

Yeah. Nobody ever complains about those 😂

[@alantweedlie5546]

Shocking decision against Newcastle last night. Referee should have stood bye his original desicion.

[@I_am_Spartacus]

Its called karma for cheating in the Arsenal game hahahahahahahaa

[@Isleofskye]

I can't stand by and let you misspell "stand byE" sorry....:)

[@stuartdavis9533]

VAR is a tool, and if used correctly, a very accurate tool. If VAR operatives, and referees don't use it properly, then let us focus on the real issue which is quite simply the officials are either inept or do not understand the laws of the game. Either way, the VAR operatives and officials are not "fit for purpose"! There is another, rather worrying possibility - CORRUPTION! Sadly, I suspect the later might have some merit.

[@oh1876]

I think each team should have 3 interventions per game. If a manager or captain decides to use one then the ref goes straight to the monitor and a replay is shown. However the replay should be one angle only, the closest one to what the ref would have seen in play and it should be shown in full speed. If the ref decides he made a clear error then he and only he can then overturn. Nobody but the ref should be making decisions and he should be making them in play ideally. VAR should be a tool to show a replay and that's it. As for offsides they can be done autonomously.

[@AdamHempenstallAdvantix]

It’s weird because all 3 of them know this, but they’re talking about VAR like it’s how it’s presented. The VAR tells the ref he’s made a mistake. The screen is just there to sell the change of decision. That’s it. With VAR used as it is today you could remove the monitor and almost every decision would be the same. Either lose the monitor and save the time, or change the rules so the ref gets a genuine different look.

[@jeffreywilliams6967]

Trust the Brits to cry when it affects them and raise arms when it’s in their favor. Simon definitely benefit in some way from PGMOL, when they mess up, he has an eloquent closing argument but when an English team is affected in Europe, he basically just rephrases what Danny was saying and dance around the topic.