Simple VS Complex Drums (ft. Brooks Wackerman A7X)

[@JaredDines_]

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[@jhoubim]

Where i found this track?

[@andrewperu1471]

Do a vid with timothy molloy from our last night band🔥🔥

[@batmanwayne5159]

I think they’re both good, My personal opinion, I would do the simplistic part with Brooks Trashy Cymbals to give it more power.

[@Azaezlle]

I like the complex one better. I wish the guitars and bass had been cut lower though so we could more clearly hear the drums.

[@zeemeerjin9619]

Where do you find these tracks?

[@stevenwilliams9108]

Brooks Wackerman: *Moves wrist one time* *12 hits are clearly audible*

[@inzukad2694]

😂😂😂

[@billiejoeeyelash]

Nothing can ever replace the Rev but he will do. RIP

[@way2sh0rt07grad]

Killjøy Clique he’s got that same style by playing off beat clean rhythms

[@Glowstick48]

Pure talent and a lifetime of practice dudes a true master of the instrument

[@joelguzman9280]

@@billiejoeeyelash hes not replacing hes simply tag teaming in while the rev rests

[@nrchrist]

Combo of both. There were simple pieces that fit way better and complex parts that grooved better

[@valentinpau1434]

Agreed

[@squilly6]

Definitely

[@Xyncx]

Exactly. There are always parts where what the guitarist is doing is more important than what the drummer is doing. Each person knowing when they should come in with something more complex or simple is what makes or breaks a band's sound. If every one is just doing super complex, highly technical stuff all at once, it's hard to pay attention to what's going on, which ultimately detracts from the overall sound of the song.

[@beccaortiz9029]

Can't agree more!

[@dantas6519]

True

[@benhemsworth8555]

They’re essentially different but equal. Making the drums complex shifts the focus to the drums, while keeping it simple puts the emphasis on the guitar work and bass. So it just depends on what part is being done.

[@bipbipletucha]

Ye

[@deductivereasoning4257]

I liked both. Then again, I like progressive metal. I like the simple beat, then the complex one. Then, I like a different simple beat and a different complex one. It kept progressing. All that was missing was 5 minutes of guitar noodling...

[@uncommoneditor9916]

Really

[@TheLightweaver777]

Also, the simple beats don't change the feel of a riff nearly as much as a complex drum pattern will.

[@sczarface]

I completely agree. Both sound great in their own respect.

[@rafaelklitschko4085]

Basically, Hail to the King vs. The Stage

[@zoda761]

Unrated comment, you deserve thousand likes

[@idhamnnn]

Arin > brook

[@wirawhyra]

@@idhamnnn no

[@mattfetzer]

@@idhamnnn soft disagree

[@idhamnnn]

Eyyy eyyy ..i need power ..not modification

[@hotdogslayer4430]

How about next is Simple vs Complex Guitar (ft. Synyster Gates) Hahaha

[@CaptMusicMan]

that would be my birthday

[@jayknott8714]

Yes

[@justdream2063]

This would be just awesome!

[@harshroy5165]

Got him

[@FelipeOliveira-yb6ip]

Perfect idea

[@GuitarsRockForever]

Both. Some parts needs simple, some sound better with complex.

[@giannispaterakis2991]

Exactly

[@SynthApprentice]

As a musician, your priority is to do justice to the track. Drumnastics aren't always appropriate.

[@schprox]

So basically it needs balance

[@treatabledisease3258]

How Switzerland of you

[@vadimmihaidarov7056]

I'm from Russia, and it's hard to say to me. My English is not very impressive, but you expressed my opinion. Thank you)

[@CameronFleury]

Depends on the musical application. Both can work. And holy shit Brooks Wackerman \M/

[@ammarD]

This.

[@royalcat10]

I've always felt that simple vs complexity comes down to what the song is intended to do. If it's intended to just make you want to move, simplicity is where it's at. I mean, just a basic four on the floor beat works wonders in just making someone tap their foot, or bob their head, or move in any way. I guess that's why pop music tends to be simple, it's just meant to dance to. But music that is meant to be *listened* to is when you want complexity. The music that makes you have to think about what you're hearing. Neither is inherently worse than the other, they just have different applications. Obviously, it's possible to combine these with the right mind set / skill, but just as a generalization.

[@yanbar3433]

Next up: Animals as Leaders song with some standard Rock drums and some Rock song with Animals as Leaders style drums. Woud be funny to hear and would really give you an example of what the drum beat does to the music.

[@rudowakening3638]

Brooks is the man! His brother Chad might be even better

[@sharcotics]

Brooks Wackerman was the drummer for Bad Religion, a band that A7X has admitted to listening to a lot and taking some influence from OFC he kicks some ass

[@shquefferyjonesbonesiii7943]

Brooks does a really good job making the drums sound and feel like a real instrument used for more than just keeping time. His playing just adds a layer of taste.

[@ExternusArmy]

It’s very melodic and musical. It’s not just rhythms but playing with the sounds and tones to create what are essentially melodies.

[@sloth_e]

This vid is a great example of how mixing it up is best. Basic had so much impact after complex. And complex becomes so interesting after some basic . Balance is key.

[@Adrimartja]

truer words have never been spoken.

[@williamriley462]

I have to agree 100%!

[@grifballa]

Perfectly balanced. As all things should be.

[@LeandroOlavarria]

Best coment (y)

[@LightningTheRaiden98]

hell yeah. never could have said it better

[@kaoquinn]

A mixture of both LOL there were parts in the simple that I liked and parts in the complicated that I liked.

[@fantomagnik]

Yeah this sums it up perfectly tbh

[@lilyrecords7521]

Yea I think a mixture of both is the better than one of them only

[@Vanessa-iw9ei]

Yess, exactly

[@nicholai414]

I think that a mix gives the track the feel of breathing. The Simple lets the guitars shine and the Complex brings an energy and sense of urgency to ths mix. Very well done.

[@jodyshortland9875]

Kevin O'Quinn agreed!! With the some of the transitions from complex to tech and vice versa there were moments where it felt natural to go in that direction. What i did like about both was the change in tempo and both had breaks and fills that built it up and brung it down to headbang along to 🤘 great work from both!! 🥁

[@thebasketballhistorian3291]

I liked the simple one for keeping the main flow of the song. The complex one was better for transitions, the bridge, and the ending.

[@michaelhodges6493]

I agree 100%. As a drummer myself I follow a rule of k.i.s.s. keep it simple stupid.

[@brianlovebear]

Agreed

[@menedon9599]

Yeah agree too.

[@janobpl]

Exactly what I was going to write!

[@ssfguitar]

Musician's in general have to remember to make everything not so busy. Space is always a must.

[@Fraggr92]

It's not so much about which is "better", it's about knowing how to do both and more importantly WHEN to do both. There's a time for simplicity and a time for complexity.

[@tuievans]

Well said

[@nathanwhiting5475]

Exactly. This also applies to basically every instrument.

[@vulna9150]

Well said x2

[@mquin2112]

Someone did a video comparing Ringo Starr's drumming which in itself was "simple" but how he knew exactly how to make it fit the song vs complexity and how it can take away from it. Knowing the difference is what makes a good drummer great.

[@hadifelani]

exactly, by having the simple one come first before the complex one, it made the song sounds fuller and if we didn't pay attention to the video it does sounds like a proper transition as a single music instead of a comparison

[@ignaciooo___]

Next video: "Jared Dines Playing with Avenged Sevenfold" Next next video: "More details about Jared Dines and Matt Heafy Breakup"

[@ilkrsrc081]

you meant matt shadows? lol

[@Adnonnymous]

@@ilkrsrc081 no, he did a lot of videos with Matt Heafy from trivium a while back

[@nWoandDX4life]

He even played with Trivium during their european tour.

[@drew9584]

It must have been matts new signature double strap..... Because nothing is more metal than saying im a bigger pussy than anyone else has been over the lifetime of the electric guitar... Guitarists are such pussies. Bitch pick up an ernie ball, play for an hour and tell me your cute little less paul is "too heavy".

[@iniquity7]

@@drew9584 wtf are u even ranting about, u came up with this whole scenario in ur head, Jesus Christ. What are u ranting about no one even brought up any point in ur rant at all lol. U must have been holding that in for so long it finally exploded haha. PS I Love heavy guitars because they sound thicker and fuller

[@CardboardSliver]

The complex sounds awesome, but the simple one flowed perfectly with the music

[@thiendipham835]

Cardboard Silver it’s fit with the track as well :D

[@niccololuciani6701]

That' s why is trivial

[@nicvv4853]

This

[@electricant55]

Simple flows with the music but the music flows with the complex

[@TheDwarburton]

The whole point of the complex is to not only flow with the music but to add it's own properties. Complex is great if it's done correctly, otherwise it'll just sound like it doesn't fit, or it'll take attention away from other elements of the song

[@SlapMyBass3825]

I love how casual these interactions are. “So I am jamming with the drummer from A7X, no big deal.”

[@Yigzdrums]

Rev and brooks come back and do a dual drum battle with dines. Itd be so sickkk

[@shayanmoosavi9139]

@@Yigzdrums rev is dead :(

[@jakerochelle]

Deck O'Donnel rev has been dead for like ten years. Wym

[@luigialexander3781]

@@jakerochelle He is not dead he is just in the woods

[@joefrayling9263]

@@luigialexander3781 true and when he comes back he gunna be the knife master

[@hoshikiraa9193]

Let's just pray Brooks never gonna leave A7X...

[@shootthemessengerband]

For real. Brooks has a great playing style for a7x

[@dkd7670]

@@ripvanwinkle1639 Imagine both of them playing together. If they dont, we riot

[@goncalobaia1574]

@@dkd7670 unless they divide parts that wouldn't be a good idea

[@AshleyAllysia]

im sorry. im from the future and i have a bad news to tell you man

[@hoshikiraa9193]

@@AshleyAllysia dang it

[@jesusmallen397]

Next simple vs complex guitars ft Synyster Gates 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼

[@squad-wh4ig]

Yes for reall

[@wilddogv2.082]

Facts

[@soumeshkarmakar4745]

fuck yeah

[@robnavarro4617]

Yes

[@jantisafernando]

Yeah i like this one...

[@natemiller3280]

Ok I’m gonna be the one to say it, there was no “age old question” for simplicity or complexity, he just wanted to do a video with Brooks Wackerman

[@levibeam100]

It is though. Simplicity vs Technicality has always been an argument.

[@gustavodelacruz646]

@@levibeam100 i think a mixture of both can do wonders for a song, you can amplify a section of a song that needs it and keep it simple for parts that are good enough on their own

[@chewypilot5639]

Not entirely true, sometimes over complicating it makes it sounds worse or takes away from the song

[@hazardgaminghg122]

@@Xxfishman058xX_chad Well he did.

[@nicknolder7042]

Sometimes less is more, sometimes more is more, it depend on the context

[@alfonsoturco1697]

Brooks: OK, when can I start the complex part? Jared: what? You already played it. Brooks: I was warming up dude

[@jrmcrlmorales]

I really love how he also has that The Rev vibe of making it look so easy.

[@micke989]

So true

[@rzrjf_2063]

Oh oh someone's in trouble

[@plasfariablarkaanisa9640]

@@jrmcrlmorales He makes it look ALMOST EASY. Sorry I will leave now.

[@afmartins666]

The Ravi Shankar effect.

[@matthewkoeppel8742]

Versatility and the proper use of both “simple” and “complex styles I think is what’s most important. Some of Jared’s style at the right moments absolutely drove the rhythm and made it sound so much tighter and connected, while Brooks complexity during fills or transitions played into the melody and rhythms of the guitar and made the song sound so much more technically advanced

[@d-a-e]

Drummer’s Goal: To start off playing simple then catch everyone off guard by doing complex shit. Respect is earned as such

[@jeffbell4434]

Lol that's kind of exactly what I always do when showing off in front of a group of people.

[@theflyingcrud]

Definitely agree. I think it sounds really good too.

[@SynthApprentice]

The respect of other drummers, maybe, but maybe not the respect of your band mates.

[@matthewd6306]

Even better write complex Drum parts that don't rely on straight double bass and fills. Incorporate Jazz High hat parts, polyrythms, and african tom beats. Bonus if you can play rudiments on bass drum instead of the typical metal double bass.

[@theflyingcrud]

@@matthewd6306 Both ways are fine. I like playing both simple and more complex drum parts. Most important to play to the song. Personally, I typically only use double bass for fills or extra flavor

[@joefromaccounting7818]

With a name like Brooks Wackerman, he was DESTINED to be a drummer

[@randomuser-vs3oe]

all of his brothers and father are also drummers, making him even more destined.

[@dasbrando4570]

How do you play drums? "Whack er, man"

[@moderusprime]

Or a gardener.

[@drummerboyarnold3174]

Even a Ninja What are you saying 😂😂😂

[@jc3drums916]

@@randomuser-vs3oe Two of three brothers are drummers. One is a bassist.

[@MarktheAirsoftPrimate]

Holy poops. Brooks timing and rhythm are just other worldly. Both work, in certain parts complex was too much, simple was not enough, either way this is awesome.

[@krisgardner7160]

Brooks was a good fit for a7x because he and the Rev both have a kinda non conventional approach to their rhythms but Brooks and Jimmy are still booth totally unique

[@michaelhodges6493]

A good transition back and forth from simple to complex would of really been insane. I prefer to keep things simple though

[@MrCole58]

Somewhere right in the middle, flair is good in moderation and it makes things interesting , but too much can take away from that essential rhythmic foundation. The simple drumming had a very easily identifiable pulse, but it can get boring pretty quick. A combination of the two would be interesting while still retaining utility.

[@dylanlapenna8513]

You should KZbin search Terry Bozzio. Honestly he makes Neil Peart from Rush look like a chump.

[@LilyRose-rp5dm]

As much as I like Brooks Wackerman. Let's all have a moment of silence for Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan. Rest in peace my guy.

[@jrowland6717]

You can't beat the drumlines from Beast and the Harlot.. You just can't.. 😪

[@LilyRose-rp5dm]

@@jrowland6717 City of evil itself is just too good to beat.

[@mariouz313]

@@LilyRose-rp5dm the stage is just as good guys

[@theritzerclub873]

R.I.P. 😢😢

[@Soybean13]

What?? Respect to my man jimmy but drum line in the beast & the harlot is a generic double bass drumline...the stage is a7x most techincal album they ever released. Skill wise brooks is way better than jimmy, but i always choose jimmy over brooks not because the skill but the emotional attachment

[@AanKhunaifi]

next up Simple vs Complex Clarinet ft. Squidward

[@mgakas]

and rob scallon as well

[@aldyhardian6433]

Taii wkw

[@shaneleclaire6912]

Aan Khunaifi squidbob

[@ryseszn_]

Wanjer:v

[@bmartin4320]

Feat Kelpy G

[@jeffreydhill]

My answer to the question of simple or complex is: “Yes.”

[@kagwaiverqrst2248]

Too complex

[@corbinholmes3752]

@@kagwaiverqrst2248 Yet...too simple? XP

[@alexschemm348]

r/inclusiveor

[@luizcsf1]

Complex is better, but..... This riffs and melody asked for a simple drumming.

[@MrJonne2000]

Mostly felt the same, but some parts were nicer with the complexity involved. So it's all about if the song is suited for complexity or not and kinda why this video makes a fairly poor point tbh

[@monolithworldline]

Exactly

[@monolithworldline]

The riffage in here is level 1 crook

[@rakaprariga1297]

I agree dude

[@genesyspron50]

Simple drums are the best for this song here

[@Sobitachi]

2:57 that double bass combined with choking cymbals...🔥🔥

[@nathanlawrence656]

It sounds sweeter because his kicks are so solid

[@Sobitachi]

@@nathanlawrence656 it's Brooks we r talking about man!

[@WSlopeAggie]

@@Sobitachi The king of punk and now a destroyer of prog. What can't this man do? And yes, he is the KING of punk. Above Barker. Barker's amazing too, but Brooks somehow manages to play perfectly clean like a drum machine while maintaining groove. There's no weirdness.

[@Sobitachi]

@@WSlopeAggie Brooks is technically so advanced.. the wrist control and everything is just perfect..

[@camilogonzalez5728]

I like both styles. Some songs sounds better simple, others works better with complex techniques. But if it's A7X songs I choose complexity.

[@emanueltorres3560]

I also like their use of contra melody at slow but also when then it picks up quickly and its still melody and a contra melody and then when drums are just equally as complex it's just an eargasm a lot times I don't even think how are they doing that I just sit back and enjoy.

[@jackd.95]

I know a7x was trying to find that perfect sound that they got from Jimmy for a long time and they've found it with brooks

[@enragedmoosemedia]

Couldn't agree more. Brooks fits so perfectly. Still miss the rev though. Miss his vocals and creativity.

[@stonertheespeon2975]

Jimmy also sang vocals and played a various amount of instruments. He also wrote some of their best songs. I may miss him dearly because he was taken from us so early but I'm happy they found Brooks, The dude's a beast!

[@josephotto4816]

Saw them shortly after Brooks joined, and I was floored. He’s doing a stellar job and his sound meshes so well

[@blakeunderwood1075]

No love for Mike Portnoy?

[@MrEwan13]

@@blakeunderwood1075 tbh portnoy would fits really well with a7x, brooks were okay,but portnoy on nightmare album for me was much better than brooks on their latest album. just my opinion though

[@drums_and_beer]

Combine those two together and you basically have a Dream Theater song

[@Gyrossteeltesticles24]

Rather coincidental since Portnoy played on Nightmare

[@jamesdong8179]

Or at least the drum track, but yea

[@Cobalt985]

Haha, exactly what I was thinking. Portnoy has always been amazing at combining complex parts with simpler parts to form a more complete whole.

[@chriskrausesmovie]

Jared theater

[@WillMaskellTaylor]

More like Oceans ate alaska or something

[@D-Man_Jam]

That's simple? I thought when you said "simple" you were talkin' AC/DC 'simple'.

[@michaelcoknballs4757]

lars simpol

[@UhOh_ItzJDX]

well then it’d just be boring, that double bass does wonders

[@bassandbaits287]

Simple is different than basic because no disrespect to AC/DC but they use a simple rock beat

[@zackstump5425]

Lmao

[@corruptedstudiosentertainm3455]

@@SenorSeiryuu I think you're seriously underestimating how much harder that process was in those days. Things you can throw together in a DAW in thirty minutes could sometimes take three or four days. It just wasn't viable when you could mic things up and play and get the whole song recorded in a day or two rather than one section of a drum loop in three or four.

[@echoesreflected8243]

Shred wars with Synyster Gates next please!!!

[@rhysguitar3411]

OH my yes.

[@trollmaster333]

Ask Syn to take part in 2019's biggest shred collab

[@JustCarMuh]

Syn alone would demolish everyone else

[@benmacdonald5445]

Slxxpy Kxrma Except Angel Vivaldi. You don’t beat Angel Vivaldi.

[@zenzookyouka]

@Ashish Gupta Synyster Gates - A7x's main guitarist

[@ZackTheNever]

I 1000% agree with this

[@zaidaljundi3462]

Have him get zacky as well and they can play together at the same time

[@BasicMacik]

Simple sounded best for easycore/metalcore. Complex was real proggy/groovy

[@es0teric76]

Completely agree. Exactly what I was thinking

[@silentechotwd4868]

Agreed. I liked elements of the complex, but could only take a song or two before needing a breather. The simple is a good constant head banger that I would feel fine listening to for hours on end.

[@nostrum7278]

Tbh I gave points to each beat, and it came 4-5 in prefernce and this kinda says that its good to have some fills and complex beats besides a simple catchy beat.

[@KuroShiiiiro]

Nick Macik Brooks is a great groovy drummer and A7x's music sounds great because of it, man ..

[@millerhxc]

Exactly... although this now begs the question: Which genre is better????

[@andikardian9014]

Brook's style is much proggy than the simple one, and i love prog metal.

[@jacobhumphrey3535]

I was the same thing. Has a lot of Brann Dailor from Mastodon vibes.

[@zackstump5425]

Listen to rush

[@woodenhoe]

Listen to Liquid Tension

[@jasondornford5317]

@@woodenhoe listen to Porcupine Tree

[@aidanl5611]

next update video "Hi guys, just a quick update. my good friend brooks from A7X has asked me to tour with them."

[@undeadfbgew]

aidan l - omg imagine 🥰

[@laneneece8815]

Jared: did you guys enjoy the complex fills or the simple fills more Me: yes And were is the djent 2019 with Stevie And shred wars with gates

[@skylargibson8599]

Lane Neece as much as I love Jared Gates would massacre him

[@laneneece8815]

Skylar Gibson true but it would be fun

[@sideslick1024]

It almost sound to me like Brooks' parts are acting like the drum fills to your (relatively) basic riding. They compliment each other very well. I'd love to hear full songs with each style, rather than the back-and-forth that this video provides.

[@axelenglish2922]

My thoughts exactly.

[@paeden5431]

Me too

[@dbo4506]

Plus 1

[@lewy_g_official]

What Brooks was doing wasn't just complex, but incredibly creative and that's what a lot of people look over.

[@JacobC479]

Exactly, people think complex usually just means fast and hard. Sometimes you hear something that isn’t necessarily expert level but the creativeness of it and the way it switches the sound is just incredible.

[@singningwongho]

Jared, You're solid. Brooks, is amazing. Brooks' drumming on The Stage album is mind-blowing.

[@xforever923]

I know! God damn is one of the best songs ever

[@hazardgaminghg122]

@@xforever923 the drums on that song are crazy.

[@monzxsa]

HazardGamingHG its not, but ok

[@singningwongho]

@@monzxsa So you're a percussionist now?

[@monzxsa]

singningwongho what was i before?

[@midenking9651]

A blend of both! Knowing when to spunk your load and when not too is what creates amazing drum tracks.

[@MrToco32]

Truth

[@Cole-uz4xi]

That's what makes Wackerman such a great drummer, in my opinion

[@Kat-yv5ye]

First of all, how the fuCk did you get Brooks to play in your bideo Second, i honestly go for the simple version

[@MrMcHoonter]

Mason Sanderson actually A7X has switched to prog so complex still definitely fits them

[@ZRisyad]

With Jared's drumming sounded like Killswitch Engage song, Brook's sounded like Tool song

[@aidanbarclay7437]

Literlly my exact thoughts

[@miggytiamzon2076]

Brooks: yeah, this is my "simple."

[@Julien869]

He was like "Wait, I thought you asked ME to do the simple parts."

[@wishnewsky]

This mash-up of simple and complex is actually the best IMO

[@spudmagnum7394]

Depends on what the song calls for! Something like this benefits from simple stuff but a more progressive band obviously benefits from the complex, creative drum parts

[@MrErikwade]

Spud Magnum..... agreed. Like this tune with the simple stuff better...

[@ItsSvetsi]

"How close do you want the snare mic, Jared" "Yes."

[@petterihorn]

Sick drumming by Brooks, but the song was all screaming for simple drumming.

[@thetalentedmrrapley]

The best drummers utilise both. But as a drummer I have to love the complex. 4:33 is perfection

[@goodvibesonly2080]

Adam Rapley fortnite suckksssssss

[@mototoad1242]

@@goodvibesonly2080 Whitechapel suckkkssss.

[@goodvibesonly2080]

shenaniganz krew 22 at least it ain’t gay

[@goodvibesonly2080]

shenaniganz krew 22 and you 100% are on the wrong channel to hate whitechapel

[@thetalentedmrrapley]

@@goodvibesonly2080 yep

[@theheritic209]

Obviously the last name Wackerman bestows drum powers on whoever has it. Cause Chad Wackerman is crazy too.

[@danepresley7851]

Pretty sure one of them was Holdsworths drummer

[@theheritic209]

Dane Presley oh u know ur fusion. and that was Chad.

[@truthhelps2012]

Zappa too. The the list is actually very long for Brooks, Chad and John.

[@danepresley7851]

They are quite accomplished and extremely talented

[@theheritic209]

Michael Comminos u just schooled me cause i didn’t know there was a John Wackerman

[@GladHe8r]

I loved how the two styles blended so well throughout the song. There's a time for simple and complex in a song imo.

[@Joker-qy2fv]

1/5 Not enough cowbell.

[@nmfilmarts5764]

LMAO dont fear the reaper man

[@brown22sugar25]

*03/5

[@Chargers4x4]

0.5/10 no cowbell

[@absoluteforehead8071]

I’ve got a fever

[@hiTocopter]

@@absoluteforehead8071 What's the prescription you need?

[@Lastdragonrider88]

2:47-3:00 was perfect. Complex, incredibly musical and complementing the rest of what was going on so well.

[@creatinovic]

my favorite part, too :)

[@compulsive_curiosity]

made better by the drop back to a simple beat. anyone who argues purely for one or the other misses the point of variety!

[@jnkny]

William Machado just wanted to write exactly that 👍😄

[@Lastdragonrider88]

@@compulsive_curiosity Of course, but this part stood out as a perfect example of what complexity coupled with great musicality can achieve, even taken out of context and just heard on its own, this part still shines as an incredible and mature musical statement. Obviously this section is creating tension that will be resolved with the drop, Brooks understands that and enhanced the tension to its absolutely highest point before the 'drop', the drop wouldn't feel so good if the tension part wasn't so expertly done (and vice versa as you state), so both parts are working together.

[@CharlesSeraphDrums]

The “complex” sounds like a collection of breakdowns and transitions that could very well sit in between the simple rhythm. The genre you chose to write the song in demands a certain type of drumming that needs to be solid and not overwhelming. Perhaps in a death or prog song, things would work out differently. So, both and none, really.

[@scottsmith8162]

Carlos Alberto Carbajal Constantine LoL

[@mikebarnes7441]

@@scottsmith8162 perfectly worded man

[@renegadespaceman]

Brooks has such a signature style of time-fuckery. This reminded me of the end of "Submission Complete" where Bad Religion basically just uleash him on the end of the track making it awesome squared.

[@djr9999]

Jared: arms Brooks: Wrists

[@BoY860]

It's for visual apeal. If you play a simple beat and don't move it's not as effective visually. Most drummers do it.

[@andythedrummer9642]

When you play slow beats, usually people use arms. When you get to some faster stuff, u should be using wrists.

[@andythedrummer9642]

@Hanafi Ariffin no problem!

[@augustus9992]

@Hanafi Ariffin And if u play ever faster, you would be using fingers, but that takes a lot of practice.

[@tonyvercetti8056]

Brooks is so soft, I like it

[@bazzyg]

As an ex-drummer myself, I like both. It all really depends on the riff and and how much you want to highlight or compliment it.

[@Grugyn]

why ex?, and yeah i agree, the complex is obviously a lot nicer but the entire songs worth would be overkill ,definitely simple is superior when youre giving room to breathe

[@estebanmejia3473]

Why ex?

[@bazzyg]

@@estebanmejia3473 Gave up drumming a few years ago and haven't practised since. Bit rusty to say the least. Chris Adler, I am not.

[@ZackTheNever]

Lead guitar: Jared Dines Lead singer/Rhythm guitar: Matt Heafy Drums: Brooks Wackerman Bass guitar: ??? Davie504???

[@mpaamt]

yea davie504

[@denjerdaii420]

Count grishnackh

[@sammil5891]

ZackTheNever fieldy

[@ethanslade9708]

It would be sweet if john myung could get in on it

[@drunkhobo9179]

Davie504 for sure

[@CapnRiggs2k5]

When you can blend a mixture of simple and complexity into the song, you make a song go from good to great. And that simple to complex transition at around @2:35 was just perfect

[@marjacu3809]

I think it's the best example to show how both are needed to add complexity to a song without overloading it with detail

[@garyschu1004]

@@marjacu3809 agreed

[@drwoods]

agree

[@mexidancer]

This was really just like watching Brooks be Brooks and Jared giving us time to process what Brooks was playing

[@seventrials7989]

Brooks it's a cool guy, Jimmy will proud to him #foREVer

[@dankweed5049]

Well they have a thing for taking drummers from their favorite bands (dream theatre,confide and bad religion) since he passed

[@judgeshred9872]

Aziz Arzad i like what you did with that hashtag homie #REZpect

[@judgeshred9872]

Meant to say revspect haha

[@swat_ape3920]

Jimmy still needs to come back as the knife master... foREVer 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@sultanalif.m3137]

#foREVer

[@getsosavage9841]

Alternating should be the way. That way it isn't too simple nor too complex

[@ewan_mclean]

TheRedLester 22 I think so as well. Event though my music is more electronic, some concepts always relate

[@v0lve3321]

Was looking for this!

[@swat_ape3920]

I agree

[@TacTicMint]

Complex builds tension and simple releases.

[@Lucky_2847]

Brooks Wakerman though. Jesus Christ. Dude is next level man.

[@novoice9286]

when youre a new drummer: "theyre both complex, i see no difference"

[@bipbipletucha]

@Blake Houle Nope.

[@rinzxc8857]

@Blake Houle yes.

[@dabj9546]

As a drummer I enjoyed the complex version but I feel like the polyrhythms, offbeats... might kill the flow.

[@trevorramey6209]

Da BJ Especially with these particular melodies. The song needs more grove for the off beat patterns.

[@nicolasfrossard4315]

Totally agree

[@bulweidmusicexplorer]

Feel the same.

[@blur1355]

He can easily play simple drum patterns I think we shouldn't stay with simple drum beats and expand our minds a little bit

[@blur1355]

@KingOfLegends23 well thats a good argument. You're breathtaking

[@TheNerdyGinger]

Brooks is really good at making things complex but tasteful. Wasn’t a fan of his first two segments, but the rest were all great. I especially loved his performance around 2:00

[@RileyAiC]

the trampoline wrestling master himself again? good day

[@TheNerdyGinger]

@@RileyAiC 😁

[@ExternusArmy]

@@RileyAiC I think the simple just becomes boring over time. I mean how many times are you gonna hear the same on beat rhythm? Brooks is crushing totally new rhythms like every bar, it’s absolutely insane

[@abagz3919]

I have his drumstick. I caught it when he threw it into the audience

[@libsoric6693]

Did you eat it ? I hear it's a pretty good icecream brand

[@bigchungus3399]

Pat Libsoraled I feel stupid for laughing at this

[@rubemevangelista3868]

that's true, I was the air cut by the flying drumstick

[@baekksong3970]

that's true, i was the drumstick

[@helderlourenco2011]

@@baekksong3970 yes I confirm, I was the truth

[@sohamadhikari2550]

Brooks starts playing the complex part. *LARS HAS LEFT THE CHAT*

[@nukepacifista9188]

HAHA! Lars was buried alive by the beast and the harlot to the afterlife like a rock, like a planet, like a fucking atom boooomb

[@putuaditiyapratama7010]

😁😂

[@aadarshthomasraj5018]

Lmao have you even seen Lars Ulrich cover dream theater's metropolis?

[@Phildo117]

Always the one idiot with the Lars comment. Shut up

[@sohamadhikari2550]

@@DestroyTheMindless Thanks for checking my profile xD. Please do subscribe :'3

[@shayanmoosavi9139]

Wait.... Do you mean *the* brooks wackerman? The best drummer of avenged sevenfold after rev? That's awesome :)

[@cute_cadaver6616]

Portnoy played for them for a while too. Brooks doesn't even come close to being their best drummer.

[@herpderpinson6117]

All_Hope_Is_Gone Yea but for the most part Porntoy was just playing parts the the Rev already wrote lol

[@todorstoynov2362]

@@herpderpinson6117 I think OP made that claim by comparing Brooks to Portnoy as a whole, nit just to what he did in A7X, i.e. stuff like his work in Dream Theatre.

[@FabrizioPedrotti]

And the best drummer Bad Religion ever had

[@allannava361]

Jimmy and Brooks are each unique in their own way. While I certainly love Jimmy’s style more no one can discredit Brooks since their the best in their own ways.

[@arcadedomination8006]

2:33 is actually the perfect transition.

[@ThePedroaugustobc]

That's bat country transition, you can hear it in the end of bat country - at that ballad part right after "my vision is so unclear"

[@kalvinruth8571]

#Accurate

[@Somawesomestuff]

Brooks has slowly become my favorite drummer. I love his playing style

[@auricle6553]

Complex drums are great to throw into bridges and outros. Simple drums for the other parts of the song so we can focus on the other instruments as well.

[@reynaldomorales5087]

My thoughts exactly! Sometimes complexity can be distracting. As long as it's done tastefully I'm all for it. With that being said I thought both drummers in this video were excellent in their own respect.

[@ossisuomalainen]

@@reynaldomorales5087 and then there's danny carey

[@MozTheBoz]

Mastodon says hi

[@RegionalRadioShackManager]

Brooks is such a monster. If you have a chance listen to The Stage drum tracks alone. Crazy stuff

[@crocodilecrox3758]

Just listen to paradigm. The drums ARE the riff.

[@CookTheCrook15]

crocodile crox paradigm is my favorite

[@RuiPalmeira]

@@crocodilecrox3758 personal favorite is Exist, really. but every track on the album is just plain SOLID and really well written.

[@atlys258]

Pretty much the only reason I got back into them is that the drums are interesting/creative again.

[@nostalgiajunkie]

atlys although they were going for a stylistic change in sound for their tribute album or whatever, I totally agree. Drums are such a huge element of the songwriting of that band and it was missing the entire time after portnoy finished up nightmare

[@lucaseduardo9097]

what a drummer avenged has now days, Brooks destroys it man.

[@TheFreekill17]

The Rev will always be the best Aveneged drummer though

[@DerrickRG]

@@TheFreekill17 Not really bud. The best drummer to ever sit behind a kit for Avenged was Portnoy.

[@TheFreekill17]

@@DerrickRG portnoy is a fuckin God but The Rev always glued the tracks together *perfectly*

[@TheFreekill17]

@@DerrickRG all my opinion though, bud.

[@rippindrummer666]

Brooks is better than the rev and portnoy. Portnoy is one of the most overrated drummers of all time, if you think he’s the best you haven’t heard many prog drummers. Go lookup mike portnoy vs billy Rymer drum battle, Billy rymer straight up embarrasses Portnoy.

[@apb0327]

Brooks is an amazing drummer and a good guy. Glad he joined A7X. I liked the complex more, but both were good for their own reasons.

[@the.Aruarian]

Having a complex rhythm section requires that the rest of the band is competent enough, though. 😂

[@SilkandScrooge]

Dave Blink 182 proves you wrong. Travis Barkers drum parts are crazy compared to those other two chumps.

[@Abasedbymygrief]

Dirty Loops has some decently simple pop stuff but their bassist is EXTREMELY complex

[@Javier11506]

@@SilkandScrooge although the other two destroy Travis Barker technique wise. Travis has speed but unlike Brooks he doesn't have the independace or groove which 9/10 are more important in drumming.

[@kennyjimenez8713]

True, I mean just look at Tool

[@casualcoup798]

javier gardea I think he meant Mark and Tom as the “other two chumps”

[@riodabo266]

To headbang, i prefer simple,. But to listen normally, i prefer di complex

[@berkefiliz3410]

Idk, I prefer both in a single song if that creates the correct mood

[@m6rkf6rk6s]

I'm a really big fan of twisted drums so I prefer the complex but the simple is awesome too

[@travboat]

I love Brooks' drumming on Bad Religion's "The Empire Strikes First" album, the intensity is straight up relentless on that one.

[@contemptcreatorarthurave4042]

He also ruled it on Suicidal Tendencies Six The Hard Way.

[@gaijinhakase1575]

Yesss I can’t get enough of that

[@holyordersoftheemperorsinq246]

Simple for chorus, intro and breakdowns. Complex for lyrics, climax, tempo/key change and outro.

[@anony_meows]

it's not a matter of simplicity vs complexity. this is a matter of which grooove suits better with the song

[@sykosis1192]

Yeah but even then that depends on personal taste as well, someone may find a complex groove fits it, someone else may find a simple groove fits it

[@sykosis1192]

Which is the point of the video, it's seeing which ones people prefer/think suit the song the most

[@abhisekpanda5165]

Dream became true.... A7X and jared dines are in one video

[@sethvaughn1931]

Mr. Panda so I wasn’t the only one who screamed?

[@MuscleCarsLoveMe]

It really sounded like a drum off between A7X and Breaking Benjamin 😂

[@jamessantacruz2748]

Bruh u was thinking the exact same thing lol

[@IsimplyWill]

Depends on the listener: As a drummer, i hear the simple beat and I'm like "oh yeah, that's cool" and start adding complexity in my mind as I listen and play along. The complex actually makes me stop and listen to the song because I'm like "wait, what the f*** did he just do?"

[@bethyroddy8978]

willy fleming I’ve never related to a comment so much 😂

[@HaxoReSc]

Same! :D

[@sirnuketon6554]

Jared’s a fantastic musician. Only reason I wanna play drums. Be like Jared Dines. Not Jared from Subway.

[@fairyfromtheforest9502]

Ooohoohoof xD Agreed tho.

[@GarboSweaty]

Jared from Subway might be a great musician too. We don't know for sure.

[@arnavdman]

No.

[@ugsdit5296]

@@GarboSweaty but he is a horrible kindergarten employee

[@wilddogv2.082]

Sir Nuketon XDDDDDDD

[@SDCB754]

I love how loosely Brooks holds the drumsticks, similar to the way Sean Kinney, of Alice in Chains, holds them.

[@Kaustich]

As A7X being my favourite metal band, this video was 100/10, Both were amazing, keep up the great vids bro

[@imaclown12345]

I just love how Brooks hit the drums with such accuracy and finesse, he looks so comfortable and effortless

[@M8TT2]

The way Brook's left wrist moves so fluently while bending that far back makes me uncomfortable xD

[@Keitel300]

Always keep coming back,just to see how a monster of drummer is Brooks,insane!

[@uta_kun1538]

I don't care about the complexity or simplicity of the drums, if it serves the song then it's good.

[@xxXthekevXxx]

EXACTLY

[@brennand933]

You got it wrong. Does the song serve the drums

[@uta_kun1538]

@@brennand933 As a guitar player, I don't approve this statement.

[@brennand933]

uTa_kun I think guitar is vastly overrated (I play too). If a song doesn’t have good drums or bass, I don’t care how cool the riffs are, song still sucks

[@uta_kun1538]

@@brennand933 Yes, i never said that drums are overrated or anything like that tho xD. I think the drums can elevate a riff quite nicely, but still most of the music is guitar driven.

[@nathanlawrence656]

The guitars needed the simple drums, but DDDAAAAMMMMNN... Wackerman is a epic piece of beast, wow. Great drumming from both of yall

[@FinnBassFo]

Totally agree, the song called for simpler drums... but the guy is insane!

[@pwh589]

what brooks did in the solo is exactly how you should play when theres a solo, amazing player...

[@MaxMayfield74]

Verse: complex Chorus: simple Git solo: simple Bridge: complex Ending: complex just my 2ct....

[@rey-ns7kc]

tf is "2ct"???

[@andrewmckenzie2650]

@@rey-ns7kc 2 cents

[@B_Rowen]

I pretty much agree with this list completely. I do like complexity on some solos though, it if accentuates the rhythm of the lead or has a call and response aspect.

[@MaxMayfield74]

@@B_Rowen agree... As long as it matches the guitar and bass somehow I'm a fan of complexity on a solo, too.

[@infinityseagull3752]

Yes!

[@davidtobing7744]

I’m a simple guy, I see Brooks, i click. He’s complex tho.

[@lamentis3025]

can we have some 'drum wars' in the future...please!!?.. You know the fans want it....

[@manishmanbert8592]

i come to this video every once in a while just to admire brook's wrist movement. it's like he has left his hand dead and is only working with his arms. he's so loose on his wrist, it's amazing.

[@kerimmarsaoui1588]

Im still amazed by the drums played by Brooks in "The Stage" Extremely juicy !