We need to talk about land reform in South Africa...

[@Sindisile]

I really like these "short" videos from you, there is a big vacuum in SA for this kind of content, yigcwalise tata

[@_SMWX]

Thanks. Absolutely. On TV and radio there’s not enough time to really analyse issues. Much more to come this year!

[@AyandaNkabinde1212]

My grandpa started this battle donkey years ago. Mom took over and has now handed me the baton. I wish there was an easy way of getting our land back. IThala Bank bought our land for a meagre R100. Keep speaking UP Sizwe. Really enjoyed this.

[@snowflakecuntreeman3947]

If you have proof then you should have had "your" land back a long time ago. Very little land was actually taken after the 1915 land act the british instituted when they still ruled us.

[@AyandaNkabinde1212]

@@snowflakecuntreeman3947 and Land Reform is still an issue because??? Stop gaslighting and following your namesake. I didn't make a comment for clout.

[@snowflakecuntreeman3947]

@@AyandaNkabinde1212 sorry, i did not mean to offend you, i was merely saying that you should not struggle somuch to get your land back, you should have had it back by now. Land reform has failed you and many others as well.

[@mbasamvenene443]

I was literally glued to my computer screen, from beginning to the end of this video!!!

[@_SMWX]

Thanks for watching, Mbasa!

[@christiandewitt7459]

It’s absolutely golden when people just accept/assume that ALL of the land should belong to black people because we are living in Africa and then ALL of their arguments around land follows on that statement/logic. To give you an example by using Sizwe’s words (3:51 - 4:27): “SA land distribution is just grossly unfair so to become a more just society we need to make that more fair. So even if you may have acquired your land perfectly fairly, but you continue to contribute to the racial inequality of land ownership in SA, there is still an overriding social imperative for a more fair and equitable distribution of land ownership. So, land reform is about the overall fairness of the picture land ownership in SA” - This statement makes it very clear the even when a non-black person does everything right (legally and even morally), they are still wrong because they own something that should according to your view belong to a black person, NO MATTER HOW THEY ACQUIRED THAT PROPERTY. Can you see how racist your argument is? Can you see that your argument has even abandoned any attempt at being fair/just? Can you see that your moral compass is just as skewed as the people who wrote and passed the land act of 1913? These ideas around land restitution and redistribution, as you explained Sizwe, are nothing more than an attempt by the political elite (and/or the state) to gain more power, has nothing to do about what is in the best interest of ALL of the people in SA (not just black people) and lastly it is mostly about the dispossession of white owned property (not the redistribution land to its rightful owner, which for at least half of South Africa cannot be a black person as historically they did not live there until well after Khoi/San/white/coloured people lived there). If we cannot start this debate from a mutual place of understanding, as well as a clear set of rules/moral guidelines that applies to everyone equally; then there can be no solution that will be accepted by everyone and thus this round of “the land question” will fail even more spectacularly the first round.

[@SikiDlanga]

*"You don't have to be a farmer in order to own land. That's like saying you have to be a brick layer in order to own property."* 😂 😂 says Sizwe very calmly

[@_SMWX]

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[@gerritkruger4014]

Well if you want to farm commercially you need to have expertise. In that case the analogy would be that you need to bs a builder to build a house. A farmer to farm. A doctor to operate. A chartered accountant to audit. These things require expertise to be successful. If its only living space then yeah you don't need any skills, Particularly the unused government land in urban areas

[@AlexanderTheEvenGreater]

But land has to be continually managed/farmed, whereas a house does not need a bricklayer every single day of the year in order to maintain it. That's not really a very good comparison. ;-)

[@tivanleak1372]

I really enjoy the logical academic outlay of this video. Going through the issues one by one. I think your worry about those who prefer compensation rather than title deeds isn't so much a problem as a symptom of a problem. People shouldn't have to be in a position where they have to forego a solid asset because they are short on liquidity. I think the big solution here is education. We spend a lot of money and we've successfully increased the years of schooling, but the quality of education is terrible. To add insult to injury it is disproportionately black children whose educational quality is most lacking. To better the quality of education, I think, will require a holistic approach. It should take into account the socio-economic circumstances of learners; the accountability of teachers and other school structures; and safety of learners. If we better the quality of our education, we increase the employability of our citizens. Which will increase social mobility. Another important point is that the poor often live further from job opportunities which means they have to spend more time and money on transport. Land reform is an important issue in SA, but I don't think it is the issue, if addressed, that will better the lives of citizens the most. Land reform recieves a lot of media and political attention, while education (basic education) lags behind. Improving the quality of education is a sustainable long term solution.

[@LBMalinga]

Concise.

[@bokangmphore1286]

I get your point of view but think about it in this way. How can you as a student perform to the best of your ability when you don't have any food to eat at home. The most important thing the government should focus on after this pandemic is land reform to bring economic equality in this country.

[@rockrabbit253]

@@bokangmphore1286 You can't eat land either. It takes quite a bit of capital to farm successfully ( and also lots of hard work and some skills). We do have a school feeding scheme to assist the poor. Education is key to upliftment. High income countries are all highly urbanised. For the majority , home ownership is thus more important than owning agricultural land.

[@matthyslourens7714]

The problem is: Who gets land and where. Zulus can't get land in WC and Xhosas can't get land in KZN. Siblings will also have to share land and we don't know how much land should be granted, because we don't know what their ancestor's status/wealth was. We also don't know where tribal wars for land took place. It's not as simple as giving any black person on the street some land and the past is fixed. Some black people probably don't deserve land because their ancestors migrated to South Africa and never had land of their own. And lets not forget about the true natives of South Africa, the Khoisan and their descendants.

[@RollyBalondo]

Homesteading is the only solution, otherwise if the land is re-distributed, considering how unequal South Africa is, in a 100 years those land will consolidate in the hands of the rich once again. Another option is to look for other opportunities other than farming. In other countries, the merchants are richer than farmers.

[@ndumisocamngca4738]

I think if we would first deal with the tenure system, we would see an incredible shift in socio-economic status, mostly in black townships and traditional areas. Most township residents still do not own their properties.

[@_SMWX]

Definitely. It would take a lot of pressure off the land reform process because as many as 20 million people could gain access to land.

[@dawiethomas767]

Amen! This is the key give people title deeds it is about ownership.

[@joshuabrown5130]

I am a white South African and was born right before apartheid ended. I never had any land and didn’t come from a wealthy family. All I have known for the past 34 years is ANC and struggling with BEE policies excluding me from 90% of job opportunities. Also since ANC policies including BEE chases capital investment from the country there are already barely any job opportunities as it is. Non the less I managed to create my own future and earn a living. But the ANC steals my money through taxes and then uses it for themselves and also black beneficiaries who among other thing have children out of marriage and thus can’t afford to raise them. I have been robbed so F you and where is my restitution. Pull your head out of your backside

[@HottopicsLegacy]

learning a lot from you...

[@_SMWX]

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[@davidscrooby2461]

SMWX I look forward to listening to your Land Series. Two historians I found useful were Louis Changuion, 'Disputed Land', and John Laband 'The Land Wars' & 'The Boer Invasion of the Zulu Kingdom'. Keep up the good work for equality, dignity and freedom

[@mzuvukilemeyi2969]

Hey Dr Mpofu - Walsh u touch a very important topic. My grand parents were evicted on other land in eastern cape and then they went to stay in the township, they were not the only family that occupied the land at that time. So they call a meeting to tell everybody in the family that they want to hear our opinions that if they must take the money or take back the land. I was surprised that even my uncle agree that they must take the money, I was the only person saying they must take back the land. Today me and my cousins we are not in good terms becoz of that. Thanks Dr for this topic, usakhile isizwe ngale topic yanamhlanje.

[@_SMWX]

Enkosi, mntakwethu. Thanks for that story. It’s a difficult position when you have to choose between land and money.

[@franklyspeaking986]

Oh how some decisions follow us into the future... and as you experience, sometimes cause family rifts.

[@beverlygunn4942]

Thank you. You "make it make sense!".

[@_SMWX]

😁🙏🏽

[@nhoza9747]

Yhoo this video is very informative, thank you am writing an exam about this topic , this surely helped me I’ve added few pointers to my notes. Enkosi Sizwe🙏🏾

[@monwabisiguleni2965]

I have an Interview on Thursday, the information I got here will assist.

[@SixFootScream]

Finally you adressed the elephant in the room. The land that people live on belongs to the government. The people will never own it if the government becomes the owner. They forever will be tenents.

[@FatimaIsaac-kv4zm]

Thanks so much'

[@raymondobooysen3829]

This is a good topic i would just have liked if you had the ANC there to explain why they never took the land back

[@peterkirby2163]

Cause maybe they still want a economy to loot . How’s that economy in zim doing

[@kafkaesqueee]

Thank you for explaining this. I'm a white South African and my family keeps talking about this like it's the end of the world. But could never explain what is really is. This helped so much thank you 💗

[@AnneliedeWet]

Thanks!

[@iksasalethumanje9720]

Lotcha ndoda. Your platform is very fulfilling bhutwam, there are so many question I would like to pose. Sometimes I feel like interviews should be directed to young South Africans instead of government's Spin Doctors who speak in parables. I think young people could actually provide brilliant input. I also wish o could spend atleast an hour with you on this matter. Anyways.. What about families which bought land from white farmers in the early 20th century in about 1930. The land later was occupied by other people who came seeking for refugee and throughout the years chieftancy developed on the land which is currently run by traditional council today. Well ofcourse these new owners still have access to the land but my question is, how do they make this land have value in terms of being recognized as landlords or private property owners off segments of the land which remains unoccupied within the region they bought into, cause there is interference from tribal authority regarding freedom to use the land as private property.. Also should land expropriation happen are these black owners of the land also going to loose the land which their grandparents bought from white farmers in the early 20th century? Very complex hence i wish we could engage personally about this matter..

[@_SMWX]

Thanks for the great comment. Many issues here need further reflection. If you want my deeper thoughts, they’re on my book Democracy & Delusion.

[@Siya_Sikawuti]

Hayi ntwana. Every element of our constitution is guided to protect the livelihood of white people from being poor. The. imagination that we as young people have handed this debate to politics in itself is dangerous. No matter what we can say or think but the core of our country must be changed and that core is how do we imagine our democracy. Entertaining white academic voices on this point has created some delusional empathy in our uneducated parents. They believe so much in protecting madame's emotions. Ngaz' akhale mlungu. Our domesticated homes.

[@maryduplessis2510]

You are misinformed and the constitution was signed into law by the very people who were part of the process to end apartheid. Stop listening to hate speech because it is easy to believe that one ethnicity is responsible for whatever woes you have, such thinking never ends well and you will never grow and progress. Take responsibility for your own actions, work hard and you stand a chance to own your own land by buying it with a title deed. If you must blame anyone, blame this ANC government for destroying our economy and chasing away investors and not employing people that are competent but basing their decisions on who to employ based on the colour of their skin.

[@stepmaster9988]

Nice one; well researched, engagingly presented and the on-screen captions at the beginning were helpful. These are the people’s priorities and the country’s political and financial resources should be properly allocated to these. Anything that isn’t attacking the fundamental inhibitors of economic growth and human development really need to be set aside now

[@_SMWX]

Indeed. This question has gone unresolved for far too long.

[@obi5025]

I agree that the facts to this issue are ignored when discussed as it is complex in application and understanding, often just simplified to be a racial matter and no context to the challenges is provided to the audience that is already disadvantaged. if we would assume that this issue remains as big a failure in the future as it has already proven to be now, what kind of resources are available to the youth in rural / and town ship SA that would help in owning property and developing smaller applicable ambitions to shift their own fate from what their parents have lived in. the promises made obviously do not match the policies being applied to the problem and corruption is keeping everyone busy. I do appreciate that the policy makers are the ones holding real change back.

[@_SMWX]

Thanks for watching Obi. Agree fully.

[@tholendlovu1700]

Nothing's complicated at all. These people killed us for our land in the name of Jesus. Our land wasn't stolen, people died for it with nothing but spears facing the enemy whose feelings we now are trying to pamper. These so called leaders are a useless bunch, begging white people for land that isn't theirs in the first place

[@peterkirby2163]

@@tholendlovu1700 why there 4 million plus Zimbabweans in sa as they have the land now but no economy .they taking your kids jobs right from under their noses . Anyway learn some history the Khoi san where here first not African tribes

[@tholendlovu1700]

@@peterkirby2163 you should take your own advice and learn history. Grouping the San with the Khoi as if they're one group.. You came yesterday to this continent, don't begin to think you are going to teach me about my history. Where do the Khoi come from, smarty pants, since you know so much? No worries, I'll wait

[@tshegomotjuwadi9323]

Thank you so much for this Sizwe!

[@_SMWX]

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[@SikiDlanga]

Thank you Sizwe. You are on top of every essential topic in our country.

[@_SMWX]

🙏🏽🙌🏽

[@anthonyburke5656]

Yeah, we all saw how well that went in Zimbabwe

[@Desfleeding]

Another big aspect to consider is how does the govt resolve the generational wealth aspect. During apartheid a white person would serve in the army (conscription) and upon release they were given land in areas which have maintained if not escalated significantly in value. As part of the Group Areas Act Coloreds, Blacks and Indians were restricted to ownership in certain areas which today are not worth much. When you look at what these properties are worth today its not even comparable because one ethnicities owns a piece of land that could be passed on to generations whilst the other ethnicity would only generate a miniscule amount if that property were ever sold. Generational wealth is whats missing and whilst land reform is ideally some form of reparations for the previously disadvantaged, it wouldnt truly resolve the injustices derived from the legacy of apartheid.

[@rockrabbit253]

No , white army conscripts were never given free land. In fact , during conscription they were paid about the same as the lowest grade labourer. The got nothing once they left .

[@exceeddemand3270]

The biggest mistakes of the last 300 years: believing you can own a human (slavery) and believing that land can be privately owned. Land ( rivers, beaches, spectrum, minerals,) belongs to everyone.

[@BillClinton228]

So you let strangers walk in and out of your house?

[@veronicambebe4598]

Thank you Sizwe mzukulu the problems we have of inequality are caused by land that was taken by force the solution will be to restore the land to the owners otherwise there will be no peace the rest will follow first things first thank you mzukulu May God bless you 😊😊

[@_SMWX]

Indeed. Thanks!

[@thabochauke4052]

Both my parents accepted financial compensation without as much as consulting with us as their kids, do we continue to blame the government?

[@franklyspeaking986]

Do you think you benefited from that financial compensation?

[@barbramafara5689]

Why was the question of nationalisation and land redistribution were ignored in the new constitution of South Africa

[@motech7168]

Thank you so much for the wealth of info!! very well studied and presented. keep going please!

[@_SMWX]

🙌🏽🙌🏽

[@chumanimokoena2429]

Hi Sizwe, so do you think that a big national renegotiation of this land issue needs to be held? I feel like the further we move away from those critical negotiation years of 1990-94, the harder it becomes to truly liberate the country's resources for equitable distribution for all citizens.

[@_SMWX]

Perhaps. We need to find a peaceful solution. At the end of the day govt needs to step up.

[@leeroysherratt881]

In the mist of everything, this is all about the minerals under the ground.

[@fedixafrika5874]

Hi Sizwe, Thanks for this very well researched and very informative piece. The main problem is that the ANC government does not have capacity to deal with the web of legal terminology and technicality that the colonial system has put in place for expropriation of property. On the other hand those who occupied this land have a strong legal back up. The first mistake the government made was to use the same legal gurus that are currently for protection of the status quo. With the current crop of leadership, I don’t see the land reform program succeeding. They deployed cadres who cannot even match Afriforum’s legal powers.

[@petrusmarais7281]

Insightful.

[@sizwemanqele5298]

Hi Sizwe you are very passionate about this. How does one get hold of you, and I would love to have your book

[@missbstuurman]

Why am I just finding this channel?😅. I love this content

[@_SMWX]

Welcome! 😁

[@Rickta90]

I liked your video. If you have land expropriation, you will also have to remove BEE and free housing, because that was the compromise. Education, poor transport systems, are a few of the things people don't make a noise about.

[@sandisileqomoyi8744]

Shout out on the very informative video on land reform. It's well researched and well structured. I want to also know sociological why do some white South Africans especially non-farm owners oppose land reform because most of my white friends from suburbs have a strong disdain for the topic?

[@zerog1037]

Well thts easy, because it's forced. You're spitting in our faces with nonsense of change by destroying another group for tht change and our economy along with it. Land reform doesn't even make any sense, because it caters to specific african groups like Zulu and xhosa and ignores other African groups, including the khoisan

[@Matla_a_Noko]

Great video! Nna I just want to know where you get your shirts!

[@dawiethomas767]

Hi Sizwe, in the second part of your analysis when you consider the process of restitution post 1994 and make the argument that the then ANC government exploited poor and desperate people by offering them cash or the land. I think it would be helpful if you could clarify how the government could have accessed who was competent to make this decision and who was not. Surely you are not suggesting that poor people do not have the capacity for logical decision making? If the government gave them a real choice and they made that choice who it to blame the government or the person who made the choice.

[@omphilelouw734]

Just added your book to my wish-list Doc. Maybe I am being idealistic but there is something odd about people owning land. Just like it would be odd for people to own water or minerals, it's a natural resource that should belong to all. If we had a caring and competent government, I think state-custodianship of the land would make the tenure problem easier to solve.

[@_SMWX]

Thanks, Omphile. True, the whole question of ownership is contentious. I also see some problems with state custodianship. But no system is perfect, I guess. Hope you enjoy the book!

[@Steve-by4uf]

State-custodianship the land is feudelism. Imagine the absolute power the state would have if it owned the land? they'd be able to threaten people to vote for them or lose their land. Private property ownership is the foundation of a free society and liberal democracy.

[@maryduplessis2510]

No it would not... Reason.... Because those on state owned land can be kicked off without so much as a warning by a power hungry minor money grubby official who either doesn't like you (you don't agree with the government's ideology) or is getting money under the table from interested parties.

[@angelamias553]

Before I even hear you out, as a claimant on behalf of our family, of huge land in the Eastern Cape, I agree that it's phony!!!

[@raymondobooysen3829]

I want you to take on the issue of the pension fund and why governments want to use it

[@_SMWX]

Interesting. Will look into it.

[@peterkirby2163]

It’s simple . It happens when a government follows a failed ideology . The steps are predicable if you learn from history

[@SomethingNicewithDinano]

Nah Siz, we need to implement it, not talk about it...

[@_SMWX]

True that.

[@SomethingNicewithDinano]

Great explainer video though, I like the approach you took...enough talking, sifuna umhlaba ezandleni zabantu!

[@HolyRickstar]

And the food produced gets sold to Europe particularly UK

[@RollyBalondo]

Did Africa became a colony of Holland / Netherlands?

[@tomsawyer4321]

How much land does government own?

[@_SMWX]

Thanks. I address this in my book. It’s important to remember that not all state land is commercial agricultural land. You can’t equate things like schools, beaches, roads and airports to privately-owned land. So, yes, the state has a responsibility over things like tenure reform. But you also have to look at private land, specially when it comes to commercial agricultural land.

[@tomsawyer4321]

@@_SMWX where can I get hold of your book?

[@iainrendle7989]

Though I agree in principle, some of your arguments are statistically accurate but in reality naive. Prior to colonialism and Apartheid the lands were not owned by the people but by a very select few who were called Kings and Chiefs, and when the land has been returned to the previous owners, then it goes in to the hands of the tribal leaders and kings. Many farms and businesses were passed onto the community and the land has become unproductive and the people have become poorer......but the tribal few are richer. Recent Zulu tribal issues highlight the points.....I am king so I own all the land and have become very wealthy!!!!! Rather than I am the King and I hold the monies and land for the people, so I own nothing and pass on nothing but my stewardship. So do the people get to live in his many houses if homeless......no, can they use one of his many cars if they need to go somewhere.....no, can they kill one of the kings cows to feed their family if starving......no, but all of it is supposed to belong to the tribe and for the benefit and good of the tribe........really!!!!! So the people never owned the land prior to Colonialism, the King owned everything and you got what he decided you got.......same as it is today. In Zimbabwe, there was land redistribution by the Freedom fighting comrades - from the White few to the Black few, most of them with Prince or King or Chief in front of their names. How did that turn out for the millions that starved and are still starving today......another group of Comrades that care about the people and all they do is for the benefit of the people, Not!!!!! Unfortunately this is not just in Zimbabwe but all across Africa, whereby the educated are the new masters and the masses are held back from education and oppressed still, but now by Blacks rather than Whites, but that difference makes all the difference to their lives and futures. And this is not an Africian phenomenon, same was true in Europe, and as many of the whites were oppressed and kept down for centuries, so remove the colour aspect, as it is not the key factor ie the educated dominated the uneducated and made sure the masses remained uneducated etc until Universal education became the norm and things started to shift and adjust. So Education is the key and the people can start putting value on themselves first of all, and then on the things that are of value to them and what value they are to others. Communism and Socialism ideals are great but Mao and Stalin proved by the deaths of millions that the type of land reform that you want does not and did not work. Sorry but most of the farmers and land owners invest into their land, they have good years and the bad years, they have 5-20 year plans and constantly look to move forward. Unfortunately most people in South Africa look no further than today, ask where is all the money stolen by the corrupt officials were is the money now, and that is not a white mans view that is the view and issue raised and highlighted to me by lots of black people, who have seen the amount of wasted money within their own communities, tribes, families. Just handing the land over does nothing to benefit anyone in the long term, but to take the land that the farmer has probably bought and they never recieved by the Apartheid regime is wrong. And what is your solution to the monies borrowed by the Farmers, which is held normally against the assets owned ie the land. Are you suggesting that the farmer still owes the bank and has to keep paying, or that the land owner now is eligible for the debt, or the bank just wipes off the debt.......great ideas as none will work. So what incentive is their for the farmer to continue, he owned the land but no more, just the debt repayment, and now has to also pay rent......so he just walks away and the farm fails and if too many do the same so do the banks. Or he invests further and automates the farm to maximise returns and removes one of his biggest costs......employees. Well done you have now increased the unemployment numbers and increased the amount of people starving.....for what? Are the people better off......no!!!! The bank now refuses to give loans because they have no real security........ The tribal chiefs, kings and leaders doesn't want a bit of the value each year in rent, they want the whole value today, so they can spend it today So yes reform has to happen but just giving something to someone does not give it value, as they have neither paid for it or worked for it, and therefore it has no value. You have raised issues that are already known and have just put your spin on what has been discussed, not just in South Africa but across the world since Industrialisation first became a word and subsistence production and farming was no longer sustainable moving forward. Can I suggest that you do further studies in Economics because this is going to be the key, how can it be done without impacting the micro and macro economics both on a local, provincially and national level in such a way that the maximum benefit, without crippling the few from driving forward industry and therefore not creating a bigger issue in the long term. This is the reason I say that many of your points are naive and simplistic ie blame colonialism, apartheid, whites etc, but by not actually presenting any real solutions other than headline banners, you are doing nothing more than the other politicians who always want to blame the past, that has already happened and unchangeable, rather than presents solutions that are attainable, manageable and beneficial, but alas nothing but regurgitating the same points.

[@djgulston]

I agree with the instances where families were forcefully evicted from their land by the colonialists. They have a right to restitution. But what you said at 3:51, I think it's unfair to those who acquired their land legally to redistribute their land simply because they are not black. If they or their ancestors did not forcefully evict black families, why should they bare the consequences for something they or their ancestors didn't do? You can't say you want to make South Africa a more fair and just society when you are forcing someone to sacrifice what they have legitimately worked hard for simply because there are not enough black land owners in the country. They shouldn't be punished for the crimes of another. In those instances, does that not seem unfair to you?

[@hsippog]

Interesting talk. REALLY annoying music! I had to give up

[@Loadedopinions]

Something is either wrong with the links or my phone is bad.

[@_SMWX]

Thanks. Should be fixed.

[@bilalzwai4297]

Unapologetic views on land as it is

[@tomsawyer4321]

Your suggestion on agricultural land is unworkable. If the land is transferred into somebody else’s hands then the benefits and risks of ownership are transferred too. Setting up a system of tenant farmers is unworkable. No farmer will stand for being dispossessed of his land and then be expected to pay rent and take on the risks of farming. Without land as collateral how does the dispossessed farmer finance the operating expenses? Even if this was attempted the impact would be a drastic increase in the cost of food and yet again the poorest will suffer the brunt of this folly. You need to address the elephant in the room. The ANC and their corrupt cadres have through corruption denuded the economy where land reform is now unaffordable. THe fact is the money was there to do this thing right its been stolen by the political elite. I would think prosecuting people for crimes committed recently should be dealt with first. Messing with food production is folly ask any Zimbabwean (except ZANUPF cronies who like vultures fed on the corpse of the Zimbabwean economy). The vast majority of South AFricans want Jobs, education and security. Land reform is an issue that’s important to academics and political elite and will only result in disaster

[@xhoixhoiclan2089]

According to your white supremacy narrative

[@tomsawyer4321]

@@xhoixhoiclan2089 no it’s according to basic economic theory. Race has no place in my argument! I’m prepared to entertain you however, which of my points is more or less correct dependent upon the protagonists race?

[@xhoixhoiclan2089]

more like a narcissist one sided argument to me

[@tomsawyer4321]

@@xhoixhoiclan2089 I have made points regarding economics, ownership rights, corruption, poor governance and social responsibility. Your response is to accuse me of white supremacy! When I ask you to address my individual points in relation to race and show me the fault in my argument you simply reply calling me a narcissist with a one sided opinion. Ad hominem attacks are not an argument please address my points and indicate where my thinking is flawed. I am always prepared to change my mind if the facts are compelling, are you?

[@xhoixhoiclan2089]

@@tomsawyer4321 Its not opinions rather copied narrative from white supremacy Organizations which I heard it before Over and over

[@mninawamavuso3816]

eMaxhoseni...😂😂😂.. kuphi ebalungwini Walsh

[@vivienrhodes4248]

Hi Dr Walsh Please do research into archeology In Wales etc they have round houses and new people came to their land and we're integrated and this is ongoing as languages and cultures changes. If you do DNA a person has many different aspects.eg African and German etc. Poor people are not money related but mental.Every adult knows you have to work for yourself. Look at psychology.we are all human beings but we are not all equal as we are individuals with different talents which can be used or not. Be self motivated.So please be aware that we are not going back to prehistoric time and we are moving forward.Please be aware the this country has been built by each family values which is different.If you did not have Oolonislsm you would not be where you are today. Please be aware that Mandela Trust in linked to major wealth of Rhodes Trust etc.Pivety is poverty if mind sets and money dies not make you rich without having good character. Demanding stuff is fake..More research is required to get a much broader aspect of life itself.Irs not a land issue but seems to be greed and power and coveting.What do you think as progress is made by thinking out the box and not bring confined in the box.Love is always the answer.Basicaly we are living in very good times.Read Rich Dad and Poor dad.Prople made different choices and it's not about rights but choices.Rights to fight and you don't have to after all its about conversation and negotiations and actions and delivery.You can also have differences and agree to disagree and accept that. Life is unfair and

[@ericcastle7296]

Thank God I don't own land in s a I rent

[@fanamlawuli6761]

Good one less problem

[@EndoCanna]

Watching from Zimbabwe, we are curious how you will execute your Land Reform when you have Global Capital gatekeepers like Ramaphosa for President. The quicker "Azanians" accept and recognise that there won't be any omelettes without some broken eggs, the swifter this emotive issue will begin its sustainable resolution. Zimbabwe's wasn't perfect, however, at the very least, we had a hard nosed President who was unapologetic after realizing, the Willing buyer-willing seller strategy was just a pacification ploy. Aluta continua!

[@Steve-by4uf]

Your economy is wrecked and Emmerson Mnangagwa has proposed offering the land back to white farmers. Your country is an absolute hellscape.

[@EndoCanna]

@@Steve-by4uf Let your Kin folk remove the illegal sanctions. Level the playing field. Take stock then. However,that's not to say there isn't a serious lack in leadership. All considered, over 200,000 Zimbabweans are better off from the Land reform. Check the Agriculture production stats,from Tobacco to Wheat.

[@Steve-by4uf]

@@EndoCanna Sanctions are imposed on governments responsible for human rights violations.

[@EndoCanna]

@@Steve-by4uf 🤣🤣🤣

[@fanamlawuli6761]

@@Steve-by4uf you are a clown, and I guess your government has a clean human rights record?

[@VIVINGAAN]

Sizwe u speak Xhosa 🤣🤣 .

[@_SMWX]

Ewe 😁