Outriders: Worldslayer - Review

[@SkillUp]

Some confusion has arisen about what I said re: soloing the endgame activity. Here's the exact wording provided to me by the developers, People Can Fly, in their review guide: "The Trial of Tarya Gratar works a little bit differently from the rest of the game - it's balanced for three players and doesn't scale down for single players or duos in quite the same way the campaign does, and is not intended to be soloable at the highest apocalypse tiers. You can solo the endgame if you want but not at the higher difficulties (unless you become immensely powerful and skilled)".

[@92Carnage]

@Skill Up , not sure if you'll see this but there's an early access demo on steam for a game called The Wandering Village that you might be interested in.

[@philipgore75]

Two other content creators with early access stated they were able to solo all the activities in World Slayer. In the base game the later expeditions all have a warning that they are designed for groups. It really comes down to your endgame build and skill in using that build.

[@lordofthecritics]

@@philipgore75 Lol End game build in Outriders?? If its anything like the base game, terribad end game.

[@JDxxxxxx]

Just soloed it on dev lmao

[@TheGandreg]

Well, that quote from the dev is a no starter for me. Not interested in forced or coerced multiplayer. Glad I saw it before I wasted more money on this game.

[@krawlingchaos3963]

No joke i was actually blown away to find this game was released just last year. Looks like time really is just an illusion.

[@ogrimzyz8643]

Feels like it came out 3 years ago

[@alveenia]

Too many things happened these days...

[@TweakMalik]

I thought it came out 3 months ago ngl

[@CODBlackOps6WALKTHROUGH]

a year??

[@Qrows]

Hell naw man, you just drunk

[@SephPumpkin]

They really should have let you bring 2 npc’s with you to make up for the fact that a lot of people will have to solo if they can’t find friends who want to play, or don’t want to team with randoms. That would make the game a lot more interesting for me, even running through the base story again.

[@slinkbradshaw8674]

Aw man I couldn't agree with this any more. I have friends that just refuse to touch this game so most of my game play has been solo, pretty lonely experience

[@johnwrath3612]

Yep. I only play solo. They locked me out of this expansion so I’m not going to buy it.

[@almalone3282]

While i think building up your npc follower with gear that complements your like in dragons dogma sounds cool (like your a Damage character and your Ai teammate is a pure support) it would extremely trivialize combat since out outriders is about being "overwhelmed" and using the right skill combinations to win the battle

[@PlusOne2Crit]

@@almalone3282 It doesn't trivialize combat to be given an npc follower, if you're playing solo, in a game that is balanced around multiple people playing. I don't think Outriders ever sold itself as a game where you're supposed to be overwhelmed. It's a game about being super powerful. It's a power fantasy.

[@ayriusgaming1110]

Yeah, that would be great!

[@ap396z]

This game has so much damn potential. Like seriously, the build crafting, and mod system and abilities are soo good

[@malazan6004]

Agree it's what kept me going to get the platinum. I hope they keep supporting it or being out a sequel and it becomes a true destiny competitor

[@ap396z]

@@malazan6004 yeah same. I personally feel this game would shine as a live service. Daily, and/or weekly updates. With seasonal updates and more variety in endgame content. The game just gets real repetitive fast and seems like that’s not changing with worldslayer unfortunately. I’m still excited to jump in though. I just know this game has so much more potential

[@omegaxtrigun]

@@ap396z The problem is, to make it as a live service they’d have to monetize it a lot more.

[@davidhocker2677]

@@omegaxtrigun And people are already bitching about dlc pricing

[@Maknorr-v8w]

I don’t know why people are complaining the gameplay is so fun. Y’all nerds need to get a grip and yes

[@NickTew]

Great vid - I agree with all of your takes about the end game. One clarification is that Trials 100% does scale with how many people are in the group, so solo play is entirely viable luckily. In the review brief they sent us creators they did specify that it doesn't scale dynamically, but that's simply just untrue. I tried to post gyazo screenshot links but YT comment thing filtered it out. Have diligently tested this, have well over 100 hrs in the early access version of the game. At Apoc Tier 36 the final boss in Tarya gratar has roughly 2B HP solo. In a duo the boss took 7.6B damage to die. This is nearly 4x

[@X2Chimera]

This makes me happy, mostly going to be a solo player - as Ralph said, don't think I can convince 2 friends to spare the cash for this expansion sadly! Don't really want to matchmake either.

[@Alacod19]

So the rep that handled this doesn't know how the game works?

[@murizarii]

How about scaling of enemy density and scaling of enemy outgoing damage?

[@NickTew]

@@murizarii That seems to be static

[@selectionn]

@@NickTew So then it doesnt really scale?

[@jacobknitter80]

one of my fav parts of this game was that you get healthy from dealing damage, really made sure you had to stay in the action which was nice

[@gamingarc6699]

I love your content Skrillex! Big fan!

[@0uttaS1TE]

Damn, Skrillex is an Aussie? Nice. Now I respect him

[@Zeephon]

I giggled at this way more than i should have

[@SevenHunnid]

I’m a young 21 year old Mexican tryna get out the wicked Hood by 25 🤞 i smoke weed on my KZbin channel and i also did a burger king Mukbang inside target 🍔😳

[@bepisaxe4464]

Despite not playing Outriders anymore, the fact that this DLC is made for the people who actually play the game is great

[@blahblahgdp]

Damn this did not age well

[@bepisaxe4464]

@@blahblahgdp probably not, idk I don't pay attention to outriders anymore

[@mohammadalirashed3103]

@@blahblahgdp Why not? THinking of getting the game.

[@hauntedhotdog]

My wife and I played through Outriders together and loved it. If this is basically more Outriders, that's actually all I'm looking for and I'll be picking this up. Thanks for the review.

[@rileymachelle4088]

Wholesome

[@mravg79]

I have played it solo in September, I cannot say I loved it. But this was a good game even good plus. There was still some balance issues. But playing as Technomancer I maxed out the skills creating a healer which allow me to run around the enemies using turrets and at least one gun with big healing bonus. I finished the base game with all side missions, and for I enjoyed it. I believe it was a good game killed by issues on launch.

[@spartanbegginner909]

something that really put me off the game (after it came to game pass and i sunk my teeth in and got to the end game), was the netcode. the fact that there were no revives in solo content meant playing multiplayer is way more forgiving for grinding (doing end game loot runs to die in solo and just waste time is incredibly unrewarding). However if you play any bit of thje multiplayer you quickly find that the multiplayer is peer-to-peer hosting, so lobbies can be pretty laggy if you aren't host, which wouldn't be too bad with some games. But as an example if you ran a bleed build the lagginess would mean that the bleed perks wouldn't trigger with the net code to refill your magazine if you ran trickster - just really ruined the game for me

[@slurms777]

Bingo.

[@cbandit7715]

i disagree. solo is actuall a lot easier and funnier. you can actually do damage if you build into it right. the making you do less damage with more people is practical in theory but if you are not temashooting the sea enemy you do not do a lot of amae and it is more fun to see your builds actually working solo. once I decided to start doing expeditions solo, that's when I started clearing them. also a lot of that stuff was fixed in the novemebr update with multiplayer almost all of the server stuff with multiplayer so try it again

[@SpaceTacoTV]

i was excited to jump back in but to hear the new content requires multiple players when all my friends either moved on or didnt buy into this at all i think its kind of a tough sell. Loved the gameplay of the base game though

[@CODBlackOps6WALKTHROUGH]

needs 2 players, but not live service etc

[@Jasta85]

deep rock galactic has been fulfilling my co-op needs. Best thing is I don't need to talk to my team mates, we just ping things and spam "rock and stone" every 20 seconds.

[@lancepeter918]

Hopefully we can scale to the point where we can just solo stuff like in the base game

[@nade801]

100% doesn't need multiple players for trials. No idea why anyone is saying that.

[@gazza7693]

@@nade801 Its because the reviewer in the video said it was too hard to solo and is virtually impossible, even though I have soloed eye of the storm a few times. If your confident enough it can be done, I dont think this reviewer is very good

[@FluxNoise]

The pricetag really is a big problem. I loved the game and i have a group of 5 people i played it with who also loved the game and ALL of us said "oh that seems expensive... let's wait until the price drops to something decent." So in a way i see the same launch problem outriders had at start. The playerbase will scatter over time because some buy it know, some buy it in 2 months and some buy it in half a year and so the game will never get the brought attention that it needs to generate some hype or drive streamers to play it that didn't plan to do it already. It's not a smart move imo because it evolved to be a really good game that just nobody has on their radar after they fixed the technical problems. I understand that they need the big money because they missed sales with the basegame but to be honest... they missed the sales because of a disastrous technical state on launch and to ask your customers to pay more now because of that doesn't seem right to me. If someone decides to launch a game to early they have and they should take the hit. Developers and publishers must learn that they should make sure to launch their stuff when it's ready or else they will lose money. The last time i payed a price like this for a DLC and not regretting it was Blood and Wine for Witcher 3... and i love Outriders but that's just no comparison. If you want to charge >30$ for an expansion today it has to be something really special or you need a cult following that'll buy everything anyways (looking at you Bungie).

[@YuriG03042]

I think you misunderstand their pricepoint. They aren't charging $35 for this because they are making up for the launch revenue. They are asking that much because that's how much the DLC costs to hit a revenue stream, considering they literally do ZERO microtransactions, so they only have to income venues: game sale and DLC sale. If you don't buy one, they aren't monetizing your playtime AT ALL. It sucks that the price is steep, but they are consumer first and this is the price we pay. No whales play this game because there is nothing in it for them. You can't pull a diablo mobile and spend 25k to get the best gear in the game.

[@soufsidebori7925]

I feel that

[@123beserk]

was blood and win 30+ dollars on release?

[@ThuyCawlEemThaBlaydRunna]

Yeah destiny 2 fans have always been pretty delusional

[@swickster]

i have a weird way of thinking the cheaper a DLC is the shittier/shorter it probably is

[@SteveBonario]

The "getting swarmed solo" experience actually plays into certain build styles -- BUT -- you have to have the exact gear and build that takes advantage of having so much near you and directed at you, which sucks when you face a solo boss and lose the benefits of having tons of stuff swarming you. (Yes, group play is better, but the campaign should be soloable.)

[@Z-moneyGaming]

i loved the customization this game provides, seeing how the expansion.... expands this feature, im sold.

[@mariusedmond9621]

In my head I still heard “Gamerrrs!”

[@zaed11295]

Super hyped to play this with my friends. We all have three characters at lvl 50 so it'll be a nice jumping in point

[@Abom713]

The amount of stagger in Outriders was insane in the end game and the number one reason for death. I played a Devastator and they didn't have the DPS of the other classes and EVERYONE agreed that their unique defense abilities should have made them immune to stagger for the duration of the ability. It's one of the few times that I saw everyone from every class being able to agree on something.

[@lordofthecritics]

Is that still an existing issue?

[@bernardobastos5996]

Have you played the game recently? Because a properly built devastator is basically immortal. I run a seismic bleed build and as long as I can keep applying bleed I cannot be killed. And I can stagger enemies just as much as they stagger me. You gotta learn how the game is played to play it properly.

[@lordofthecritics]

@@bernardobastos5996 ''You gotta learn how the game is played to play it properly.'' Oh I see. That never even crossed my mind. I need to rethink every choice I ever made. So we have to play the game one way one build as usual? Is this the same with the dlc?

[@bernardobastos5996]

@@lordofthecritics Your sarcasm is fucking hilarious but your point becomes moot when you're out here complaining about mechanics instead of learning how to deal with them. Maybe when you claim that the absolute best class in the game is shit, you're doing something wrong and absolutely need to learn to play.

[@Itsnoct]

@@lordofthecritics maybe devastator not for you

[@yuriyutani7907]

Enjoyed my 50 or so hours I put in this. Solo devastator seems viable for most content but the endgame doesn't quite do it for me

[@gaycosmichorror]

"...most of the enemies you encounter will run in a straight line toward you, and will knock you out of aim down sights, knock you over, knock you up, etc." 😳 do they buy you dinner first?

[@discountdisco2273]

Alpha Perforo induced PTSD kicks in!

[@unioneye1087]

The dinner’s called bullets i think

[@johnhaleii208]

One thing I noticed about the base game is how there are basically two enemy ai sets, one for weapon wielding enemies and one for animal types. This makes all fights feel similar despite what skin the enemy type is wearing.

[@gaborszeles6387]

Hi! What exactly add the dlc for base game (weapon, gear etc)?

[@cyphre]

Man, that price is a killer. $20 would be a better sell, inline with what a DLC like this offers. Or they should have just moved on to something more profitable, because they really destroyed the momentum with the Day 1 issues they had. Not even to do with general bugs in game, but the 'always online' that completed failed, preventing anyone from playing on opening weekend.

[@ayriusgaming1110]

The price point for this DLC is ridiculous. Also, most people that really enjoyed Outriders used to play solo (because there was no one to play with), which makes me wonder why would they try to make the solo experience miserable. I 100%ed the base game and despite being one of the few people that loved it, I can't really justify buying this DLC. They seem completely out of touch with their core audience.

[@IAmTheBugInsideYou]

@MATTHEW HERZBERG Damn you roped your wife into playing it? I can't get my Gf to play anything that she doesn't really want to touch lmao

[@AndJusticeforAll567]

The solo experience doesn't look like anything new, and I have every item and all maxed out characters played solo, including max expeditions. I hate to say this but it's really a simple case of "git gud". Skillup's clip was a bit misleading on the difficulty, as there's tons of variables here. There's tons of options for CC, was he under leveled, what were the mods/was the build even good, proper ability usage, etc. This game relies on "killing to heal" and being ultra aggressive. Also positioning, he wasn't kiting any enemies and using the full space of the map. The "no cover" only exists on purpose for the monster enemies because this is how you're supposed to fight them. It's not supposed to be a cakewalk. You can actually do what he did here with any other game with a challenge, throw in any clip not doing well, and blame the game.

[@louiskitching8806]

go buy a 60 - 80 dollar expansion from destiny then with micro transactions cause the price on this is so "HIGH" get real please pathetic....

[@ayriusgaming1110]

@@AndJusticeforAll567 it's not about his clip, the DLC does not have scalling for solo players. That means you can MAYBE find a way to solo, with a very limited build variety, but thats artificial challenge and not intended design. It would be much better if they actually designed hard encounters for solo players.

[@AndJusticeforAll567]

@@ayriusgaming1110 I know, but I was referencing the…third mission he said? It didn’t seem like the endgame activity which is the part that doesn’t have scaling. He was talking about the “unfair” experience and it was on a mission that had scaling no? I’m just saying it’s like throwing a clip of 20 Elden Ring stone goblins attacking you at once and calling the experience miserable. I’d like to hear from experienced players before making harsh judgements about the solo difficulty, but I guess it’s hard enough casually that it’s an issue.

[@ruslanamrahov6291]

For me, SkillUps content requires special conditions to be met before you watch, like super-comfortable chair, cool breeze, awesome coffee with great sweets to appreciate the quality of what is happening on the screen :)

[@Merlin_Price]

Honestly some times i just tune in because Ralph has such a nice speaking voice. Great review and content as always.

[@raick8588]

Yeah idk how to feel about this expac, one the one hand I enjoyed what time I spent in outriders, but on the other hand I don't feel enticed to return for more. Also I'm a broke student, but we'll ignore that lol

[@WillowSkyes]

I really enjoyed my time with the first game but this should have just been a live service because once the player pop dropped enough that matchmaking stopped working then it became a chore to play. Doubling down on making the endgame activity unfriendly for solo players is is like wanting to have their cake and eat it too: either make the game single player with optional coop or make it a live service which will keep an active player base going.

[@slimjunkin4635]

I enjoy this guy's content so much that I watch reviews for DLCs for games that I don't have

[@internisus]

7:47 I'm in the U.S., so I definitely don't want anybody knocking me up right now.

[@Metaris]

I'm really disappointed. I'm one of the people that loved the base game for it's story and universe, and hearing it's $35 for a three hour set of missions they didn't even bother to tune for solo players like me killed it for me. I also find it really lame that the endgame activity is just the final mission over and over again. I thought Bungie were lazy about recycling content, but this takes it to a whole different level.

[@qshoodornament]

That's kind of where I'm at. I really enjoyed the story and the world lore. Was it campy? Sure, but i thought it was *good* camp. So I was here for more of that. Knowing it's only three hours long doesn't give me a lot of energy to pay that.

[@TheDeconstructivist]

The new "end game" honestly just sounds like an extension of the new campaign... so maybe it's more like a 6-hour campaign with no end game? I'm still buying Worldslayer because I'm sure it wasn't made with a mountain of money, if the first one didn't hit expectations, and I want to support People Can Fly, but I wanted something that let this game realize it's potential, and this isn't it.

[@pantoja825]

This has become my favorite channel I really appreciate the passion for video games you have. I look at other reviewers and it feels they review games just to get views don't really even care about the about game itself

[@NoorAgafia]

I like creating builds and for me personally, this game delivers on that. The only disagreement I have is your opinion about old gear being trash. Yes, a 3rd mod slot is great. But an optimized build is not replaced by 3 random mods. Not even close. Gathering gear that's actually an extension to what build/mod combination you already like playing with will take some time I imagine. By the looks of it, you based this review on the experience of playing without a proper build or even a set bonus. Perhaps this does not represent the majority of players who liked playing Outriders and are looking forward to getting back into it with Worldslayers. You don't need to be Esoterickk to comfortably play this game solo. And a 3rd mod slot is not equivalent to another another sunsetting experience. (Which involved deleting all previous gear in Destiny 2.) Just my two cents.

[@tgreaux5027]

I dont know about all that, but I know I played solo and f-ing hated it and stopped. This game is def meant to be played in a party. You may be 100% correct in what you said about 2B health and all that and I still don't care. This game sucks solo.

[@deividplays]

I'd say the third mod slot is closer to the origin perks added in Witch Queen-onwards weapons than it is to gear sunsetting.

[@draxorgarr7195]

@@tgreaux5027 Maybe it depends on the class but with devastator i have 0 problems soloing everything.

[@Itsnoct]

@@draxorgarr7195 same w pyro and techno

[@sethwood1676]

@@draxorgarr7195 I think what he's talking about it is for most people playing this game solo feels like ass because it does feel like ass playing solo especially on higher world tiers. I loved when I was playing with friends goofing around but, there's parts especially near end of main campaign that are just not optimized for party or solo play till you get an exact build which for the level you're supposed to be at at that time is close to impossible. It just hasn't felt good till you get a proper build going and most of the time that comes from farming with friends or running expeditions. Also the fact that theres no revives in solo really brings the game down for me in solo play. You get rewarded way more for playing with others than solo outside of personal achievement. The one thing and the reason I bought the worldslayer DLC tho even if I may never play the game again is because PCF is doing a bang up job communicating to the community and maintaining the game for what it is.

[@adamfrazer5150]

I've (thankfully) developed the habit of ........waiting. For each big release, I keep an ear open for the rumbles but keep playing through my backlog. I wandered into Outriders after it had been patched/stabilised and really enjoyed it. Beyond any of the combat/environments/etc, it was the story that kept me digging - filling in pieces of what took place while we were doing our Bill Pullman impression. Something so decidedly human, ironic and ugly really landed with me - perhaps I was simply entertained, but the whole experience felt more substantial to me.

[@matthewahn2717]

I've been eyeing this from time to time wondering if this is a game I should get into, but im kinda worried now since I have a habit of buying everything for a game when I can and especially when it's on sale but I love to play solo. So dealing with content that effectively can't be soloed without making me want to tear my hair out kinda hurts. Though when you say this game has a phenomenal loot game that certainly rekindes my interest to a certain extent.

[@armsdealer75]

You can solo the end game lol but it also randomly matchmakes lol been playing it for almost 6 months and the games been good to me i recommend it heavily

[@aaronhumphrey3514]

Just try the base game to start. If you’re on Xbox or PC you can do so without any extra investment beyond the price of Game Pass. I personally have no trouble playing the base game solo. You just need a better build than you would in co-op for the same difficulty, because you need to be able to kill enemies quickly to avoid getting swarmed and overwhelmed.

[@oTHARKUNo]

The base game is easily playable solo (did so myself), heavily recommend it. But I'm also not sure about the expansion yet, yeah...

[@HyperionRexx]

it's very solo friendly. tbh I don't know what su was on about.

[@halmaigyorgy]

Before the game came out developers said that highest endgame content requires top notch gear and a team. Yet people managed to play solo even the hardest expeditions. Worldslayer's Tarya Gratar (the only content not scaling to solo or team) will be the same. It is like when developers think "now we came up something they gonna chew through in hundreds of hours" then players finish it off in a week.

[@charlieimhoff696]

PCF really earned my confidence with their support of the base game. They consistently communicated with the community about issues and features (both ones they were planned, and community suggestions they didn’t have the bandwidth to add). They increased legendary drop rates twice, revamped the endgame to not be time-based, buffed tons of stuff (with few nerfs), added transmog, and more. I don’t know even know when they found the time to build this expansion in just a year, but I’m excited to get into it.

[@bernardobastos5996]

The fact that it's a game, and just a game, is amazing. Not subscriptions, not season passes, no micro-transactions... nothing. Just a game you buy and play. Pure bliss.

[@justifano7046]

@@bernardobastos5996 and everyone lost lol Players got an unfinished buggy meh out of 10 And unlike a destiny or call of duty no one is even making good money. Lose lose

[@bernardobastos5996]

@@justifano7046 Whatever helps you sleep at night

[@jangreveraars9634]

PCF is one of the most underrated devs in AAA. Every one of their original IP's are bangers

[@E-Chap]

I watch reviews for games I have zero interest in just cause you're so entertaining haha. Keep it up dude!

[@MrMuggsly]

The scaling is going to be a problem and I can see them changing this in the future. The non procedural generation is fine since they game never had it so I would imagine most people do not expect it but solo scaling is going to be rough. Even in the current game with being max level and CT15 you have to be on your toes with some builds and solo and there is no rezzes in solo. Now they are making it harder to be solo. Sigh.

[@Andy_Paris]

There's already footage on KZbin of people playing Worldslayer endgame solo with no problem.

[@markus.schiefer]

Not sure they will change it. My impression of PFC is that they won't listen and stick with their "vision". That is at the same time admirable and dumb and is holding this game back significantly in my opinion.

[@markus.schiefer]

@@Andy_Paris Yes, made by people that had pre-nerf press release early access and some others that do nothing else than play. Most "normal" players will struggle solo and I assume many will quit. This whole discussion reminds me of hardcore PvP games, that a loud minority loves but remains a niche because it's just not fun for most people.

[@Andy_Paris]

@@markus.schiefer That's what I love about Outriders, it's very challenging, I'm 18 hours into Worldslayer endgame already and it's harder than Elden Ring, and I'm loving it!

[@hombreg1]

@@Andy_Paris Lmao, cope

[@witcher1973]

Yeah well booted it up again yesterday, and low and behold after 3 hours my game crashed, after booting up again ALL my chest pieces in my "vault" was gone... all of it. So yeah loot is still vanishing into thin air even now in 2024.

[@JamesOKeefe-US]

I love this format for reviews. So much work and detail. Best in class!

[@dropkickpherby6994]

Yeah ACG and SkillUp are easily the best reviewers out there right now with their detail and honesty.

[@e2rqey]

They absolutely should have done a precedural rougelike endgame mode. It would compliment the existing gear system so well

[@RedShadowOfSaturn]

That's what a lot of people felt. I watched CohhCarnage's playthrough of it, and when he realized the Trial map wasn't a rogue-like sort of scenario, his interest immediately plummeted. It's all right. Warframe is about to get a rogue-like system real soon.

[@masterkutai]

I really love Outriders, but like, 90+ hours love instead of 500+ hours love that I had for Borderlands 2, or 1500+ hours that I had with Borderlands 3. The thing about Outriders is that it is made to cater a very specific gameplay. The always online decision does not make much sense for most of the game design, except for the fact it can enforce how hard the game can be without the min max glass cannon build. Since it’s always online, that rules out modding, and that keeps the gameplay experience pure to the intended design of the game. That seems to be focus it seems, a really hard looter shooter with emphasis on co-op. Those who love that will enjoy it very much, the rest can only enjoy up to a point, and then move on. That’s okay, but that just means it was never meant to be a broad appeal type of game. Unfortunately I think they need to have a little broader appeal to make some profit. I really want to get in again, but it’s very hard for me to justify the price, especially now Tiny Tina has been released to Steam. Talk about bad timing.

[@michealtheevilhero2340]

It's kinda impressive how much they're still supporting the game

[@krustytheclown2627]

Seriously, this is the only AAA studio I’d compare to the development team of motion twins and klei.

[@MrFakefall]

I explicitly bought Outriders on ps4 pro minutes after watching your review of it for full price and I really effing enjoyed that game with all 4 classes leveled up and stuff. Definitely buying the expansion too :3

[@muzamilnabinadroo]

I too played it on game pass and enjoyed but i don't think $40 price is justified to this expansion. Anyways it's my personal opinion and Have fun mate

[@Phillz91]

I, somehow, put 200+ hours from launch and a small stint after New Horizon getting 3 of the classes up to CT15 before I felt 'done' and liked the fact it wasn't live service. All of this was a mixture of solo or 2/3 players. Am keen to jump in One thing I noted was the complaint is the build is a bullet build, fine for big single targets but not great for groups. This would definitely contribute to feeling overwhelmed when you are the only target to attack.

[@sarentheadept]

the community is awesome, don't let the solo play deter you, matchmake and make some friends

[@AkinolaEmmanuel]

I tried matchmaking. It doesn't work. The game forces me to solo

[@paulysmallz8095]

The online is still trash if you are not the host so you don’t know what you are talking about this game is garbage and can keep its 100 player community

[@aimbreak1461]

„Outriders is designed for Co-op“ yeah designed is a good word for that because it’s not MADE for it since playing with other players add so much bugs lags and problems in the game that it’s sometimes almost unplayable because of that.

[@Dsyphus0]

That clip at 8:18, and segment as a whole is one of the reasons i enjoyed the game. you cant really sit in cover and pick off enemies. you have to channel your inner doom guy and fight things face to face. heal by bathing in their blood. but i can see how this would be a problem for a lot of people

[@malachiw392]

same here

[@iXiuxe717]

Heal by bathing in their blood 😂 😂 oh the savagery!

[@Acemont]

- Mom! I want a Mara Sov! - We have Mara Sov at home. Mara Sov at home -

[@aspinnycracker]

The 2.0 Update or whatever last year fixed everything and it was amazing Just cant justify getting this DLC at full price yet as Ive 100% the game

[@paulysmallz8095]

Fixed everything haha what a stupid thing to say the online is still trash just like the rest of this game

[@aspinnycracker]

@@paulysmallz8095 I havent had a single problem with the online. Been playing it for months

[@Khalum]

When it comes to gear wipes I feel like the way outriders has done it is the best way, you can still use your gear and keep your build but if you wanna take it to the next level then you have that choice. Rather than forcing you to use green/blue gear over again.

[@aimbreak1461]

I really like the DLC, even though it’s overpriced. Great, but too short story, great new endgame activity but it’s sad, that it’s literally worthless now to play expeditions, since the trail gives you way better loot.

[@MesoMania]

It makes me sad when I see a game like this not make it’s money back. It’s such a shame, the developers clearly have a passion for what they made.

[@houligan5254]

so if you liked Outriders 1 and just want more of the same, seems like a good pickup?

[@shazzaau7875]

Pretty much more of the same man, which can be good if you enjoyed the first game

[@robardian3697]

I will say here that minigun/rocket builds are top tier now.

[@malazan6004]

I actually got the Platinum for Outriders on ps5 I really enjoyed it. It certainly was far from perfect but the gameplay loop almost felt therapeutic for me. I'm excited for the expansion but I'm going through my backlog so it can wait. That and Xenoblade 3 will take my time.

[@rex1buster]

Ive actually had a very successful career a solo ability focused pyromancer

[@Trekari]

Four minutes in and you've already told me everything I need to hear. I don't need to watch the rest, but I don't want to harm your analytics, so I'm leaving this comment to say, simply put: You're the best. You deserve all the subs.

[@nokturnallex2160]

Yup, I only made it to 2:36 before he said "If you're expecting this expansion to make this game you think sucked not suck, you're out of luck" So I heard what I needed and passed lol. Didn't have high hopes after how terrible the launch was and the terrible balancing afterwards.

[@MrVivi0001]

I just started and the story is great , combat is good. It's a shame devs did not know how to manage it.

[@Fuzzy_Barbarian]

7:49 Do they at least buy me dinner first?

[@aimbreak1461]

I don’t know if I just had bad luck but when I payed the Trial with total random people I was never able to be close to the time it takes me to playtrough solo. I once needed 60 Minutes for the full run and solo I can easily do it in less then half an hour.

[@X2Chimera]

100% agree RE additional content, I feel like the 3rd mod - while interesting to have a greater 1% game experience, I would of prefered a different experience or something new. Coming mostly from WoW/RPG's over the last 20 years, I'd of hope either for more interesting talent choices, additional class or even as you say, a major raid. It would also been nice to have a seasonal model introduced, I don't mind paying £9 for a season pass if it's going to deliver great experiences/challenges to go for or even just fun cosmetics. Destiny 2 weekly challenges are something to strive for and keep me logging in, not much else does though (sacrilege to say that to you, I know, but just IMO). Great video as always, love the honest review!

[@fuzzy3932]

My comment I have been leaving on all new Outriders official videos… So excited for this!!! But I have one request I’ve had forever… for solo players how about a single revive/or checkpoint during expeditions/end game. (removing the timer was a great step!) As revives are a mechanic already in the game I can’t think of any viable reason why solo players don’t get one. The only reason I can think of (and I don’t think it’s a very good reason at all) is that not having solo revive in expeditions encourages group play. That said, this game is almost perfect for a solo player to grind and loot to their hearts content. I know u want to encourage group play but player base wains over time and you can’t always find a group. At launch I’m sure there will be plenty of folks but I’d like to know that a year from now I can still play solo and enjoy all the content.

[@findthestones]

Thanks for the detailed breakdown. Super helpful. I hope developers are listening to your feedback 🙏

[@arbiarevian1645]

Now the build variation is perfect. Lets hope next dlc brings gamemodes. Or raids

[@CenturionOfficial]

Seems like the child of Destiny and Warframe without the strong points from either game

[@warlock3691]

@20:47 Where did the mob in the yellow jacket go? lol

[@StellarCosmic1]

Why would they make a game's expansion content pretty much not doable for SOLO players... ?? A game which already struggles for players... Are they not aware it'll be hard to convince anyone to buy this? They want us to pay $40, on top of the base game price of $60, and find people to play with... Am I missing something here... Who TF is the one to make these decisions for the game? Smh game ruined LOL jeezus chriist

[@WraithReaper09]

It is doable solo. I've been playing it completely solo since Feb 2023. You just can't brain-dead "Leroy Jenkins" it, you have to be strategic on how you approach each encounter. By the time you get to endgame you should have at the least a functional build. Also, if an encounter is a bit too much for you, you can drop a tier, you're not stuck on the highest tier. Hell, you can do low tier farming runs and break down all the gear you get for the resources to use in leveling up your good gear. Once you have a character even to Drop Pod farming you can run low tier Drop Pods with them and send the guns to a new second character to break down, not only for the resources but also the weapon mods which allows your second character to get stronger a lot quicker.

[@rockymachine]

SkillUp: wanna see me headshot monsters with a machinegun for 20 minutes? Me: hell yeah!

[@andreashun]

"You need two have two friends,..." Damn.

[@dustygearhead]

Lol. Trying to have friends once you hit your 30s is a rare occurrence.

[@TheBlakamon15]

Played through the story and most endgame solo.

[@aimbreak1461]

I really have to disagree with the Solo play. This game is trillion times easier in Solo play. The DLC only feels really hard to glass cannon builds.

[@Knowingspy]

I really wanted to continue playing Outriders because I liked the gear and class building, but as you said, playing solo was rough. AND I played as an engineer, which is just not that great at running and gunning.

[@aaronhumphrey3514]

I’d actually say Technomancer is one of the best classes for playing solo, but Outriders solo, no matter the class, is definitely not great.

[@armsdealer75]

The technomancer is the best class for solo play actually you just have to build it right and know the gear and mods you needa farm for your build but even without the gear its still the best for solo

[@Razer5542]

Technomancer was and still is the best class in the game, build it with firepower and the right mods and you will blow trough any content without ever needing a team.. That class is broken.

[@sniperpenguin5303]

Destiny need to take a long, hard look at Outriders to see what crafting REALLY is,

[@RedShadowOfSaturn]

Destiny's crafting has added little to nothing. So many other games do crafting better.

[@CataclysmDM]

I think one of my major problems with Outriders was that I made a tanky rock boy, and at endgame I was an unloved and unwanted useless class. =( .... I actually got kicked from parties because my classes damage was poo poo.

[@jakeryan2805]

You still got kicked even after they removed timers for endgame expeditions? Thats stupid. Every build works now since we arent trying to go super fast for rewards.

[@CataclysmDM]

@@jakeryan2805 Nah I quit before they did all those changes.

[@DangerGnom]

Yeah The endgame timetrial thing was horrible! if you didn't play the meta, you were kicked out of groups asap. I played an ice-cc-build with group buffs, and got kicked out of groups regularly. was one of the bad gamedesigns. Made build varity non existent. Everyon was playing a bullet build - boring! They changed this with one of the latest bigger updates, but the playerbase was already gone, and the damage to the franchise done.

[@louiskitching8806]

@@CataclysmDM No comment on people like you really IT HAD TIMERS so obviously your gonna get kicked people rushed for better loot but you still come here after that has been removed and try shit talk the game lol wtf is up with gamers nowadays.... your comment literally has no damn weight to it at all its been patched MONTHS ago you just decided to quit before trying it....

[@CataclysmDM]

@@louiskitching8806 You mad, huh

[@chriskarpetas]

Expeditions are already marked as group content, yet people solo them with no issues. The disclaimer for the new endzone is probably the same thing, aka "bring friends if you are a super casual gamer dad, or go solo if you know what you're doing".

[@SenpaiStoner]

I’m a returning player and it’s amazing I remember how much I love gaming again playing outriders tbh a lot of games nowadays are falling flat for me & Outrider rekindled my love for gaming in the right way! The core gameplay loop to me is perfect especially when you keep getting new things and actually trying things out again it is a looter shooter loot is always going and coming and I’m a cosmetic ass mf so I always change how I look via transmogrification. I’m now back on Destiny and it’s has everything I need especially pvp cause at heart I’m a Pvp guy but don’t get me wrong Outriders is good, not great!!

[@paulysmallz8095]

I feel bad for you

[@SenpaiStoner]

😂

[@joshcorsair2058]

2 to 3 hour long campaign for 35 bucks? Thats a little ridiculous lol. It's ashame too because I was looking forward to playing Outriders again as I find the gameplay to be fun and addicting and I even like the cheesy SciFi story and lore alot more than I probably should lol.

[@AscendantStoic]

Interesting, but as much as I liked the original game I was playing solo most of the time (or with one friend) and the game felt overly grindy as a result preventing me from fully enjoying its fantastic loot system, so while I do want to support the game and the devs (I mean come on, no loot boxes, no overpriced shop items, no buying power or convenience, no battlepass, this is a miracle in this day and age) I hate how antagonistic the game feels towards solo players (specially the end game) ... so I'll get it but on a sale maybe. Though if someone has been complaining about these things (loot boxes, predatory microtransactions, battlepasses) or spent hundreds or thousands of dollars on Diablo Immortal and somehow finds 35 dollars too much they really need to rethink their position.

[@larzwayne]

Is apocalypse gear exclusive for world slayer dlc

[@Djaybird]

Ive always loved how camp and silly Outriders writing was, i get all the cheese and camp my heart desires! I will be buying the expansion! Edit. I enjoyed the review, great work as always!

[@jensi479]

I LOVE how everyone is an asshole for no reason in Outriders 😂

[@Djaybird]

@@jensi479 yeah it's the best

[@craigdyas1091]

Fully agree, it's like an over the top B movie and I'm here for it.

[@NoMercy13567]

I wanted to play this game again. I wanted to go and do the missions that you unlock after the campaign because I never really did them. But after watching this I was reminded of why I stopped in the first place. The game just throws high damage and high health enemies at you constantly. And it sucked when I didn’t have that good of gear, but the only way to get the gear capable of beating those enemies was to beat those enemies

[@chewybacca3559]

I feel like the difficulty for solo comes to build crafting. In the main game, it definitely can be difficult until you get a good build. Once you get going though, it's really not hard to solo and get progress. There are are synergies that you just have to abuse between your class trees and mods.

[@SevZG]

Yes, the campaign was easily solo-able, but the final few Post-Game missions after you had completed the story were impossible to complete in time unless you were in a full group, even with cookie-cutter builds.

[@Doppelier]

@@SevZG They really weren't impossible. I finished eye of the storm on silver time, and everything else gold on CT15, and I never felt like I needed coop except for Eye of the Storm gold.

[@lgd6619]

@@SevZG Thats simply just not true a well crafted build even solo can trivialise even the most difficult content in this game it just takes a good bit of farming and a solid grasp of the mod system and getting the best out of it

[@SevZG]

@@lgd6619 Yeah? Show me your Solo CT15 Gold completion then.

[@SevZG]

@@Doppelier That's exactly what I mean. CT15 solo is impossible, even with two people it's barely possible

[@D3VYN3]

I really love Outriders (even as a mostly solo player). But to hear that the new endgame activity isn't procedurally generated (even when the trial's layout is 100% perfect for it) is disappointing.

[@markus.schiefer]

That is super disappointing and I wonder if they simply could not finish it or get it to work, because so much points to such a design. At least the Trove rewards and enemy types should change.

[@Azure_Wulf]

I played the first game solo and sometimes with my fiancé, the fact that the expansion was tuned specifically for a full party is a deal breaker for me. Shame, I was planning on grabbing it for some couch coop with my lady.

[@TheBlakamon15]

It can be played solo just like before. Just got to build right.

[@Azure_Wulf]

@@TheBlakamon15 that's good to know, thanks!

[@mreel3488]

I got to Outriders late, like 6 months after release and had no friends playing it so i did the whole game (campaign/Expeditions) on my own. After hearing that the game doesn't downscale to 1 player when playing alone and sits at 3 player enemy level makes me want to wait and see if they patch it in to scale with the amount of players before i buy it.

[@MrTmm97]

Was hoping this would come to Gamepass last minute like Outriders did originally. I liked the game but not enough to stop $35 knowing without 2 friends that would do the same the end game wouldn’t really be playable/fun. It’s a shame. Maybe when it goes on drop sale.

[@lordmetroid1]

I agree with you completely, will get it on sale, by the way..nice profile picture, love Hollow Knight.

[@agent_hex]

Wish they would have changed up the solo experience in this expansion. Being constantly swarmed, especially by melee, was why I stopped the base game and couldn't enjoy the drop pods. Double shame cause I never had tech issues and liked the story well enough and loved the gear.

[@bernardobastos5996]

Laughs in Devastator.

[@Make_It_So]

As much as I seriously love Skill Up's content, I seriously doubt there are any game reviewers that can commit enough hours to a game like this to get a good enough feel for various build strengths to do a proper review. The content creators who are near dedicated to this game should have a more accurate take IMO.

[@paulysmallz8095]

Oh fuck this game it’s trash and will always be trash

[@lordofthecritics]

The game needs to be correct on a basic first playthrough as well. No games merits should rely only on 1k hrs after

[@Make_It_So]

@@lordofthecritics Any take on a looter shooter’s end game from a pre-release review is 100% invalid. Only the campaign story review means anything. Even that shouldn’t be given much weight since 99% of the play will be end game.

[@bernardobastos5996]

@@lordofthecritics I mean, if you jump into the expansion without even having a build that can deal with vanilla endgame, what do you expect?

[@_ExTitus]

I might've bought the expansion for $10 to $20 and maybe even bought it for a friend for that much. But $35-$40 for a few hours of gameplay and some patches to the gameplay is not justifiable in my mind. Especially when I know that I won't stay in game much past the story.

[@johngant86]

The rubber banding has always been an issue, the host has always had the advantage.

[@armageddragoon2514]

Basically makes anomaly build the only viable strategy while co-op because the on kill perks that gun build live by don't proc half the time if you're not the host.

[@paulysmallz8095]

This game is trash the online is trash

[@johngant86]

@@paulysmallz8095 don't play it then.

[@paulysmallz8095]

@@johngant86 oh trust me I uninstalled after it was clear this studio had no clue what the fuck it was doing

[@johngant86]

@@paulysmallz8095 yet here you are

[@godless1014]

I am watching a review for a game I have absolutely no interest in playing and completely forgot existed because my boy Shillup always brings the content.

[@rustyshakkleford]

Between the poor scaling for solo and the high price for entry (almost $60 between the base and expansion on the summer sale) i am out. Such a promising game too

[@NotaToast]

You’re calling 60 too much for the base game and it’s newest DLC? Not sure what point you’re trying to make here

[@alucard4504]

I just lvled a new character and got it to t15 without much issue. Sorry to say but there are no scaling issues with solo play. The only bad part about solo play is that one death equals a reset to the start which they fixed with the expansion.

[@sagittariusa9012]

@@alucard4504 Maybe he mean the new expansion, which doesn't scale for solo players.

[@rustyshakkleford]

@@NotaToast It's a pretty straight forward point. I don't believe the content being offered is worth $60. The expansion looks like about $20 worth of content that should have been in the game at launch.

[@paulysmallz8095]

Dude is right the game is shit from day one shill up didn’t even list all the fuckery that this did dev was doing it became a joke the weekly shit they were putting out months and months of updates that just made things worse so fuck this game the online is still trash if you are not the host

[@PowerHouseJosh]

$60 Australian and that’s digital, definitely waiting for a sale it’s not worth that much. Having to buy this to get back my 100% is annoying

[@TheDeconstructivist]

I adore Outriders. I beat the game with 2 of the 4 classes and, even now, am playing through a 3rd time with a 3rd class. I felt like making an ARPG from a 3rd-person-shooter perspective was super compelling from the get-go. And they nailed the build-craft and loot content better than any other 3rd-or-1st person game I've played (way better than Borderlands or Destiny, due to their inspiration coming more from the likes of POE). The power fantasy and build diversity was *exceptional!* It's true Outriders didn't have the longevity I wanted, the end-game experience just wasn't good enough for that, but I absolutely adored my time with it and got a damn good value for my dollar (and I paid full price for it). This review of Worldslayer makes me sad, even though I am 100% going to buy and play it. Not because it won't give me more of what made Outriders special (it sounds like it does), but because it was a missed opportunity to fix the things that held Outriders back from the greatness it deserves. The potential in this game is MASSIVE and some of the decisions here are, to be frank, disappointing. People Can Fly, if you randomly see this comment, know that your game has incredible potential, but in order to attain it you need a more compelling shell to wrap around your amazing progression systems. Fix the end game! You need it to have both variety and unpredictability. The Roguelite post-game idea (which you have almost all the pieces of) would take 3 to 4 months to put together and massively improve your game's longevity and broaden it's appeal. Make that and you have a good shot at making your money back and then some. As a Design Director with over 15 years industry experience, I'd stake my reputation on it.

[@philipgore75]

Endgame can be done solo. Only the final boss is really difficult and I was using the min/maxed Devastator build, leveled up a bit, I used in the base game.

[@bernardobastos5996]

Didn't even need to level up. Soloed campaign and first run of endgame with seismic bleed Deva. 0 deaths.

[@GrippeeTV]

Despite its flaws it’s probably one of my favorite looter shooters, i loved the combat. I also love the non-live service model. I simply played it until I was done with it, and moved on and played other stuff. Now I’ll come back for the expansion and do the same, and if they release more content, I’ll play that too.

[@Tom-bi7ir]

absolutely loved outriders but i played solo and couldn't justify its release cost, its on sale through steam right now tho so might get it. Your bang on tho this games loot and combat system was already top notch n they needed to introduce some new shit for the expansion

[@PlusOne2Crit]

Considering Bungie release $60 expansions for D2 all the time, a game that removes content you purchased permanently, I feel like $35 is not asking too much.

[@muzamilnabinadroo]

Too bad things don't make it good

[@aznjay94]

Bro Bungie already asks for too much. Bungie pricing is not the standard, it's near the extreme end of the spectrum. A reasonably priced DLC would 15-20 at most of gave enough content.

[@PlusOne2Crit]

@@aznjay94 First off, you missed the point here. I am aware Bungie charge too much. The point wasn't about whether it was too much or not. The point was that people still pay it. Secondly, it's an expansion, not a dlc. There's a difference. Most expanstions in most games are 40+ on the low end.

[@S_the_G]

I know I'm late for this, but after preordering Outriders and putting in a lot of hours in the first week and still a bunch after that, I haven't touched it until a week ago where I did most of the endgame stuff of the base game, which I really enjoyed Now you honestly really convinced me to buy worldslayer even though I also think 40 euros is a lot... I hope I'll find enough people to play with me 🙏

[@zeromailss]

This is why I have mixed feeling about microtransaction in game, they are usually get abused to hell and back so gamer in general, especially PC gamer hate it, but not having any microtransaction at all mean you rely solely on the selling price which is often more than enough for the standard AAA game if the game sells well but if the gam ae is rather a niche despite the high cost to develop then you face this problem of not making a return in investment and probably will kill any future of the game. (granted I think a big part of the problem is the terrible launch that haunt them till now, there are plenty of games that bounce back from such failure so I can't see why this game can't do the same) I know gacha and gambling mechanics in general are terrible and predatory but there are other kinds of monetization like battlepass, cosmetic, etc so that a lot of people can play a great game for free if they don't mind the grind or reducing the cost of the game for the general user while increasing the income through the more dedicated player. After all, as you have said in the video, whether the cost is acceptable or not is very subjective so reducing the barrier to entry while allowing the more dedicated and wealthy player to spend more money to support the game without it being predatory would be great Warframe is huge, it might not be as popular as a few years ago but it doesn't change the fact that it is still a great F2P game that didn't monetize the game to hell and back, and for the most part, being honest and open with its community about their monetization. Idk about NGS as I haven't played it but PSO2 was very F2P friendly for an MMO with a Gacha system, where 95% of items be it through the paid Gacha or obtained in-game can be traded, and gaining in-game currency isn't difficult so it ends up having a similar economy system to Warframe where F2P can grind for a few hours a week to gain loot that then can be sold for in-game currency that they can use to buy cosmetic or any of the loot box item. The only difference is in Warframe you directly trade the premium currency to buy the item or cosmetic you need while in PSO2 you buy the item after other players buy lootboxes using real money/premium currency to get the item I play both games mostly F2P for half a decade and I enjoy it and I don't feel the pressure to buy premium currency to compete or to get the cosmetic that I want. I was a student with a lot of free time so despite being a low spender I can play alongside whale no problem be it in power level or cosmetic options. The same cannot be said for Diablo Immortal or other P2W games.

[@xTGE]

Wait I'm not the only one who thought outriders came out this year ? Lmfao