Skoda Enyaq Coupé RS 1000 km challenge part 2

[@pristak]

Absolutely agree that Ionity needs to start sharing the power across more stations. 4 stations with 350kW reserved could easily charge 12 cars with max or close to max charging power.

[@Marbellous]

Kempower ftw

[@itsbilln2178]

Suggestions: 1. Cabin should be at a comfortable temperature at all times in every car tested, including when charging. 2. Add columns to speed sheet for total charging time and total charger queuing time.

[@jopo7]

Without all used deductions these tests would be useless. Keep it like it has been.

[@chobi9903]

It's quite fun to see the charging queue at Ionity in Varberg. I was there a couple of days ago, and there was a charging queue, but 20m away at McD, there is 4 Clever chargers @175kW, which all were open. Those are also a lot more affordable than Ionity without subscription 😆

[@bjornnyland]

The e-on chargers also accepts regular credit cards. This should be mandatory across Europe. Also just 50 m away, Tesla has 20 v3 supercharger stalls open for everyone (except for Leaf and other CHAdeMO cars... lol).

[@chobi9903]

@@bjornnyland Yeah, all I can guess is that some people don't know that one is opened yet, since it wasn't available a while back when I passed by and checked the app. It at least opened later than the one down in Mellbystrand which is the first Supercharger I tried. Still prefer the Clever due to the card payment though 😄

[@borabora8757]

The new James Bond Film: "Spectre, Spectre, Spectre"

[@SKBreakDaRules]

Current Kempower charging poles (satellites, as they call them) are rated for 300A continuous, and can only provide 500A for 10 minutes. As far as I read, higher power ones, up to 400kW are said to start deliveries in Q3 2022.

[@bjornnyland]

Kempower already has liquid cooled cables that can provide 500 A continous current. The 300 A you talked about is the non-liquid cooled cables. But even 500 A for 10 minutes is enough for most EVs today.

[@SKBreakDaRules]

@@bjornnyland Thanks for the info. I looked at the datasheets that are in the Kempower download centre and I did not find the higher specs. Also, having watched some of your recent Mercedes and BMW charging tests, the current was above 300A for 15-20 minutes on those.

[@bjornnyland]

I think the 500 A limit is not absolute. Look at this charging session: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYfKaqaYe7Kie9k&ab_channel=Bj%C3%B8rnNyland The i4 takes 500 A only for 2 minutes. That's way below the 10 minute limit. And after 10 minutes of charging, the current dips below 300 A. What I'm saying is that the 500 A peak limit and 300 A continous limit is usually not a problem with today's cars. And by the time it is a problem, we will have 500 A continous limit.

[@jamesrose1191]

I like how you use indicators even though you are talking and driving. I can hear the indicator click. Good job.

[@bjornnyland]

Ninja skills in action.

[@NinetyTres]

@@bjornnyland ABC Always Be Clicking

[@tesla-spectre]

as always excellent and this time with a lot of extra tepuble. The Enyaq Coupe looks soooo much slicker than the original Enyaq! and usually I am not a fan of neon colours but this looks truly cool 👍👍

[@OenkePoenke]

Alpitronic have introduced 400 kW Hyperchargers already, will come to market still this year. 8 times 50 kW modules, IIRC.

[@seb.4210]

Hey TB i appreciate your work/Videos! is it possible to add for some cars “caravan tests” like, consumption, range &&? greetings from zurich

[@onlineo2263]

I will answer this. Caravan range is just don't tow long distances with any EV. It depends on how tall and wide the caravan is as well as how aero it is and to a small degree the weight... But think of small caravan range reduced by 40% on all cars when going 100kmh, and large caravans range reduced by 60% at the same speed. Obviously if your EV is brick shaped and massive with a massive battery then it may do long distances better as the caraven would be proportionally smaller behind the car.

[@itsbilln2178]

It was the caravan blocking the truck because Ionity / Circle K did not bother to design EV chargers which can be used properly when towing.

[@ARPost-kn2jl]

You knew before buying the auwdi

[@KekszNET]

In Hungary there is one SuC at the highway M1 (Gyorujbarat) which is sometimes completely blocked by Benzinstau as the ICE cars stands until back to the highway exit and sometimes they just block the way out from the chargers in the queue.

[@ojeskog]

Welcome to Scandiland in summer... Ladestau! Also the reason why I won't move back there. Fed up of everyone doing the same thing at the same time. Because you are basically forced to take all but one week of leave in the summer...

[@BjornJorgensen]

We are expected to take three weeks of holiday, out of 5 or 6 weeks, but rarely forced to. I never had trouble moving my vacation.

[@ojeskog]

@@BjornJorgensen I hear what you say but social protocol expects you to take most of your time off in the summer and several employers even shut the business for the summer so you don't even have the option to work should you want to. I used to work for one of those. Scandiland is very different to most of the other world.

[@dalex6641]

Those of us who have to stop at French or Italian Superchargers with 6 or 8 V2 stalls so jealous of the idea of 20 V3 stalls.

[@Leon575]

6:04 The beautiful Porsche Cayenne is leaving the fuel pump area after a quick refuel and a toilet visit.

[@fenceman53]

Fossil drivers hate to wait in a queue but once they get there they linger buying snacks checking phone whatever . 15 min

[@lezzeti]

Yes. I've heard that argument many, many times. but then the same people don't mind spending 15 - 30 min enjoying hot dogs, snacks etc during long trips. Weird..

[@PlanetCypher_]

In the UK at least this car is called ŠKODA ENYAQ Coupé iV vRS , the vRS are the performance models, from £53735. I love the colour also 💚

Nice etron with a caravan! Was looking for EVs with caravans this summer but I did not find anyone. Even in a 1000+ lot campsite.

[@minus2837]

My friend had a small caravan which he intended to tow with an etron. The total range was less than 200km. Since it's not practical to charge from 0-100%, the practical range was 150km. At highway/motorway speeds, that's not very practical - charging for 20-30 mins+ every 1-2 hours + queuing to find a charging spot with place for a caravan. However, if you need to switch back to an ICE car to tow a caravan, maybe it's a good time to review whether it's really sustainable to tow a house on wheels around for thousands of kilometres in 2022 anyway, or just use airbnbs!

@@minus2837 yep, all this was in my mind already back in 2016 when I choose to buy my current car. I was very pessimistic about the future of caravan towing. It does.maybe look slightly better now, but long journeys will probably never be as popular as they have been, think 2000-3000km one way such as from Sweden to the Mediterranean.

[@minus2837]

@ Norway seems to still be packed full of caravans and camper vans this year. We're all using EVs and they think it's fine to drive thousands of km from the continent and drive the length of Norway with diesel engines, even at 27 NOK per litre, so it still seems as popular as ever.

[@HotHatchTV]

That's one of the reasons why I would still buy a Tesla, I also travel on busy Saturday's during summer, never had to wait. Plenty of supercharger stalls.

[@bjornnyland]

Did you not watch the video? I could have avoided 1 hour ladestau if I used Tesla superchargers.

[@HotHatchTV]

@@bjornnyland Take it easy, no need to react so hard! Yes, I did watch the whole video, but even then if you would have used them, you could not do it everywhere, so you still had "ladestau". You say it yourself, the tritium chargers have lots of problems, which doesn't help either of ladestau.

[@ichigo19870]

Holiday season. Probably a lot of German electric cars on the road^^

[@LJLion]

Here is my 2 cents : since the Supercharger is more reliable compared to other networks; wouldn't it be more practical to dedicate the 1000 km challenge to the supercharger exclusively?

[@bjornnyland]

No. Because some superchargers don't give max speed to all cars. And superchargers are 400 V. Some sites also has v2 which is max 150 kW.

[@maximamustermann3759]

@@bjornnyland Maybe a video of Enyaq charging video 5% to 90%, Tesla V2 vs. Ionity? Horse race against itself. 😉 And/or simulate it by "chopping" of the charging curve at 150 kW. 🤔

[@kelvynbettridge]

You should definitely deduct waiting time. The point is to test the car not the network.

[@850bimmer]

In my contract I got preliminary delivery week 11 next year, so that is 9 months delivery, not 18. But it may be earlier, as I felt that delivery was a bit "cover our ass" statement, might get it this year, fingers crossed, production starts week 35, first week of September, who knows how many coupes are ordered. So 22.7Kw/100km means approx. 340km range on the motorway then? doing 100-120kph? I guess the WLTP of 500km is maybe possible at 80-90kph to get a consumption around 15.5Kw/100km.

[@jeanmiegoiste]

RWD Ev6 should have a try too, just because it is really really efficient during summer.

[@jonathanclark9063]

Keep up the good work, bjorn

[@IanMcc1000]

Who got goosebumps when the Etron reversed with the caravan?

[@mrjingpk4988]

"some horse shit color" - lmaooooo

[@egil-andrenessmortensen3037]

If you can avoid the ladestau or not is irrelevant, the point is that the results needs to be comparable

[@fecorekasi]

Come to Hungary, it was 40°C here :) instant overheat

[@piscario75]

Not the car for Australia then here in Perth where summer temps averaged 33C and we had 14 days over 40C

[@ท่องเที่ยวทั่วโลก-ฑ2ฑ]

Björn time to test Mercedes EQXX on 1000 Challenge. Need to see the right Numbers

[@superset5]

time for you to realize it's not a production car.

[@bq5577x]

@@superset5 that's true but should be fun, I heard about 80Wh/km... And they talked about also travelling at 140kmh, so I'm curious

[@fergus247]

When are the charging stations going to put up giant fans that you park on top of

[@ntmoucn]

I think it‘s quite easy really: Test the car? Deduct. Test the charging networks in summer? Count every minute.

[@theagentsmith]

Thanks to Bjorn now I know what a ladestau is 😄

[@markelkins8432]

Yup - had to translate it to be sure (Charging Station). He's trying to teach all of us Swedish.

[@bjornnyland]

"Stau" is German. I have used the term "Ladestau" already one year ago. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3zPdZ2Ya6tnedk The word "ladestau" was not invented by me. If you google it you will find out that some Germans have used that word even before me.

[@McTrex123]

@@markelkins8432 Stau is German for traffic jam. Ladestau = traffic jam at the charger.

[@markelkins8432]

@@McTrex123 Opps - I assumed Swedish was the original language. Google Translate says "Charging station". Sure enough - changing to German - one gets "charging jam". Swedish sense of humour perhaps?

[@roybm3124]

Keep the deductions, would be very hard to compare the cars otherwise.

[@blairjayson]

Since he's traveling the same route, same speeds and deducting time for stau, the only difference between each car is the total time spent charging. So IMO he should always report the total time charging during his 1000 km challenges. He can deduct "queue" time for charging since that will eventually be reduced as more charging capacity is added.

[@Cornelius87]

He does though, he only deducts if there's a charger connection error.

[@AndyBrandt]

Also, you can encounter queue to charger in any car and the point is to compare cars.

[@PaulCanters]

Every car has different consumption , so not only the charging time is different 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@timberthewolf733]

What does "ladestau" mean in english? Edit: For the price the car better not overheat/AC should work if I am at a charger.

[@McTrex123]

Stau is German for traffic jam. Ladestau = traffic jam at the charger.

[@costinelbadescu2727]

Hi Bjorn. Wanted to ask how is possible to charge with 175kW since the specs of this car says that can charge at max 125kW? Thank you for you answer.

[@DeilGrist]

Does it run the AC to cool battery when you plug in hot to lvl 1 or lvl 2 charger?

[@MiladTal]

If you had to choose, Enyaq Coupé RS or EV6? (Disregard the waiting time)

[@johnnys5419]

What do you do if it rains a lot? You can’t open all doors when it’s to hot inside.

[@bjornnyland]

It's not that hot then.

[@mjbln89]

Ladestau and Benzinstau, you get the german passport instand.

[@kruemelfelix]

You should simply charge at Superchargers wherever possible to circumvent Ladestau. You also should have done this today and also always try to tell that the guys in the queue, most don't know this, it needs to be shared. Tesla does an awful job at marketing to non-Tesla people, you can do that if you have time when you wait while charging. I at least would do that.

[@bjornnyland]

Yes, I already mentioned this in part 1.

[@B1605]

Isn't deducting time because of traffic working for car's favour? If you drive slower, then later on you have shorter charging session or you can skip charger. This way the same car could have different result of 1000km challenge when it goes with lower speed with time deductions then going full speed.

[@bjornnyland]

Quick math: The road works stretch was 10 km long. Lower speed means approx 15 Wh/km lower consumption. That means 10 km * 15 Wh/km = 150 Wh lower consumption. The time it takes to charge back 150 Wh is: 150 Wh / 175000 W * 3600 s/h = 3 seconds Just go ahead and add 3 seconds to the total time then...

[@bjornnyland]

Ah, maybe you meant for the whole trip? In that case, if we save 5 Wh/km for 1000 km, that's still just 5 kWh which takes 1 minute and 40 seconds to charge back...

[@krischi8324]

@@bjornnyland I think the question was very valid and the answer is even more valid! Thanks for the visualization. Not everyone is an expert like you ;)

[@bjornnyland]

Agreed. And that's why I educate people here in this channel.

[@cos_marc]

How are the norwegians still holding to EVs if you need 1h just to wait to charge? I'm trying to understand how the future would look like in Europe :)

[@tabysetterstrom6061]

Björn; Can we expect the Audi E-tron 50/55 to have the same battery design flaw as these?

[@bjornnyland]

I don't know unless I investigate deeper.

[@tabysetterstrom6061]

Fully understand! Just asked in the event you would had seen the same issue on those. Do I understand Tesla does not have the same issue? Thank you for your great efforts! Impressive work.

[@maximamustermann3759]

7:20 Tesla for the win! All Ladestaus should NOT be deducted, as this is a manufacturers "feature".

[@MisterNatel]

Excellent vidéo… isn’t 22kwh too much?… I see a video test with a Megane etech in highway and the vehicule used 18kwh…

[@bjornnyland]

Did they drive at 130+ km/h? Most likely not.

[@MisterNatel]

@@bjornnyland 😅😅 between 110-115..

[@bjornnyland]

Exactly. If I drove 110-115 km/h on the speedometer (105-110 km/h GPS speed), I would average also 180 Wh/km on this Enyaq.

[@MisterNatel]

@@bjornnyland the journey planner is accurate in relation to the arrival percentage? Does the vehicle arrive with the percentage indicated by the vehicle at the time of planning?

[@rickeybarnes6471]

Not bad looking, it looks like a model y.

[@Kalvarija]

Why do you deduct from final result time for waiting for charger? As I remember point of this challenge was to compare ICE with electric car. How fast can you travel… So you should include waiting time to get to the charger as this is new reality and it will be more and more waiting time to charge as there is going to be more electric cars on the road…

[@olamarvin]

But then the same car performs better in winter than in summer, which doesn't make sense. There's lots of traffic in the summer for everyone.

[@histrionicman]

Interesting color.

[@hadtopicausername]

The entire charging experience needs to become more streamlined. It shouldn't be necessary to have an expert like you around to help people out. Plug and charge, how hard can that be to accomplish today?

[@bjornnyland]

Tesla is quite simple.

[@hadtopicausername]

That doesn't really solve the issue. They all need to become quite simple.

[@zaferroni]

Lime nice.

[@bjorndijkstra5863]

Slow Norwegians: 5 minutes. Muwahahaha!

[@jean-marcvienne]

Fan of this car

[@kolrobi]

Why didn't you just roll down the windows instead?

[@bjornnyland]

Not possible as explained in the video.

[@gertsiekmans9246]

Could it be that Tesla limits the "foreign" cars to ensure a Tesla has always a spot to charge?

[@bjornnyland]

No

[@citedcanvas85]

Does Annie know u have her car lol. Annie r u ok, r u ok Annie. 😉

[@michaelprusek]

It's'rapeadgateing ' because You leave doors open. A/C is power drainer.

[@bjornnyland]

Nope

[@okazakijap]

Ladestau becoming problem...

[@bjornnyland]

Just use Tesla supercharger network (as already mentioned in the video).

[@madrock1444]

My Skoda Octavia diesel never fejl to charge and it drives cheaper then an EV :) Charging time = 1 min.

[@tobias5360]

Why do you always have to measure exactly 1000 km? If you start at same point every time then you should measure to exact same point also. Then you don’t have to correct for the cars measurement, also when cars don’t need an extra charging stop they should benefit from that, in real life people never go exactly 1000 km, they go from point A to B.

[@OleksiyYergiyev]

Traffic and waiting in lines should be deducted, sure. One never sees them in real life 🤣

[@ARPost-kn2jl]

Noooo, non Tesla drivers. Please do NOT use the Tesla Supercharger Network. Remember why you didn't buy a Tesla! You hate Tesla, keep your head up and que up in the ladestau. Thank you! Kind regards from a early adopter Tesla Fanboy.

[@ARPost-kn2jl]

​@@starvictory7079 Even better for me :) And Tesla drivers earned the option of choice.