Skyrim - Why the Orcs Always Lose - Elder Scrolls Lore

[@bigblue6917]

"No one defeats an Orc", along with "You dare fight a Dunmer", are signs you are about to win the fight.

[@lord_hemp]

"No one BESTS an Orc"

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

@Juggled Lotus ya meant Imperial my boah?

[@jacrispy3275]

@@NiCoNiCoNiCola - nah, he meant Bretons.

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

@@jacrispy3275 Nah, he meant dwemers. Infact, dwemers never dissappeared. We are the dwemers

[@loudmein6591]

Nikolo Kavacio Nah, he meant nords

[@adumlarp999]

One of my favorite characters I made in Skyrim was an old orc named Mar-Dagg. My headcanon for him was he had come to Skyrim to die since he had heard it was a dangerous place. I fought everyone who started anything, and went into every cave looking for monsters to fight and kill me. Did rather well for a while, but eventually fell to a Master Vampire in some murky cave. I felt it was a good death for Mar-Dagg, and I never played him again, as he had earned his good death.

[@Caine61]

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[@ominosersudlander1488]

But he fought his way back to daylight?

[@m4eou]

Yeah...i had a similar idea and that poetic and epic ending was ...a fucking crab.

[@naz4945]

@@m4eou dont worry bud You know when enemies say "Ive fought mudcrabs tougher than you"? Well the crab that killed you is the one theyre all talking about.

[@RageUnchained]

Ah yes the head canon! My first character in Skyrim was an imperial ( I usually play dunmer in elderscrolls). My head canon was that he was the son of a high ranking soldier in the imperial Legion who was killed at the battle of the red ring. He journeyed to Skyrim on the run from thalmor assassin's that want him dead for his family's loyalty to the Empire. In the end he was quite powerful with a sword and board and ended up being turned into a vampire by catching the disease. (pre dawn guard) and was killed in battle with a dragon priest on a high difficulty. Good times. Next character was a dunmer. 10/10

[@sinaruden9280]

thanks, now i know more about tamriel history than my own country

[@amnabouanani7192]

Oof

[@musiconly4845]

Good

[@brawnpuckett9716]

Is that a bad thing or are we fine

[@Poisoned_toad]

Me too!!!

[@ShootinStickz]

bro i listened to 200 episodes of a elder scrolls lore podcasts, sooooo many books read in game, so many youtube videos watched, not to mention all the hours playing daggerfall, morrowind, oblivion and skyrim... all to realize it’s all fake and i have nobody else to talk to abt this knowledge of virtually nothing .... lolz

[@altus2447]

Orcs: *Builds a city* Bretons and Redguards: Allow us to introduce ourselves

[@11D7-n8d]

Orcs: build a city Redguards and bretons: it's free real estate

[@Cheesesteakfreak]

Oh HERE WE GO Orcs playing the Victim/Race card again

[@xxxDrOctopusxxx]

JW Money They made me racist

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

Bretons and redguards: *hate each other* Orcs: *exist* Bretons:Prepare for trouble Redguards: And make it double

[@xLionsxxSmithyx]

@@NiCoNiCoNiCola OMG! 🤣

[@AryanWarriorBogpill]

Excuse me? I know an orc at the bards college and he isn’t raiding, killing, or engaging in tribal wars of succession. #notallorcs

[@opheliakirkby]

and the guy who owns the fucking huge library in the college of winterhold

[@neru_pehut]

...who probably also owns a Plane of Oblivion

[@voltaire5427]

The Gourmet!

[@johnhenderson4833]

David Howard *Ripped apart by atronachs.

[@hiroundblazer5667]

#notallorcs

[@ravioli9154]

Orc: 'my people look like this because we were cursed by Boethiah' Me, an intellectual: 'no, pretty sure its the years of incest that did it'

[@Darthwgamer]

Looks like they learned from a dynasty from another universe

[@HWDragonborn]

@@Darthwgamer Targaryens?

[@makeytgreatagain6256]

@@HWDragonborn no, he means the hapsburgs the tergsryanes are based of them as well and fantasy so why even bring it up how pathetic

[@LanMandragon1720]

@@Darthwgamer Which one? Because that was super common among royalty.

[@BroadwayRonMexico]

@@makeytgreatagain6256 Habsburgs were small time compared to Egyptian dynasties. Egyptian pharaoh lineages were generally brother/sister marriages for generations on end.

[@josefmilly]

Everytime I watch Skyrim videos like these, I can't help but imagine what the NPCs see when the camera passes them by. Like a T-pose Dragonborn just floating across the heavens looking down at them, passing through walls like a ghost, and slowly approaching them with a blank face, all in pure silence.

[@TheFos88]

I too like to think on strange things others don't normally.

[@TheFos88]

@DEEJMASTER 333 Affirmative.

[@TheFos88]

@DEEJMASTER 333 Und er meditierte drei Jahre lang und sah den künftigen Buddha Maitreya nicht.

[@pancakes8670]

Dragonborn Cryptid

[@napatora]

asserting dominance

[@DeNorali]

They have a severe issue with their culture: it is self-limiting. In Strongholds, only the strongest male get to have wives and have children. But what about establishing new Strongholds, etc? Not exactly easy with the severely limited amount of orcish women outside strongholds. Compare that to a normal culture, where say the eldest son inherits the farm, gets a wife and children, while the other sons and daughters seek their fortune elsewhere through marriage and settling new lands, etc. Such a culture spreads. Orcish civilisation is stagnant.

[@KQY614]

Yeah that leader of the pack shit is Stone Age

[@LamborghiniDiabloSVPursuit]

Its also horrible for genetic diversity. One father means an entire Orcish bloodline is almost exclusively inbreeding by the second generation, and gets worse as it goes on. Assuming they live that long, Orcs a handful of generations down the tree, will eventually be so inbred, that almost every child born further will, at minimum, be sterile.

[@Blessed_V0id]

I was gonna disagree...but your right. Limiting their own gene pool

[@iterationfackshet1990]

It is very likely this doesn't a part of normal orcish culture but is forced on the orcs after orsinium fell as they became more and more tribal.

[@thehivemind8576]

@@iterationfackshet1990 I mean orsinium itself was also rebuilt and does currently exist as in 4e 201

[@bigboss2174]

I knew a Orc that was the greatest Chef to ever live.

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

Guess his clan pronounced Chief lik Chef, so he midunderstood them and actuallt became chef

[@curtisfranzen986]

Not many would recall and understand that statement. He authored a cook book, did he not?

[@coolasf1527]

@@curtisfranzen986 The gourmet

[@curtisfranzen986]

@@coolasf1527 I know, I was being sarcastic. But still, his chocolate patte gives me the runs.

[@wyatt3740]

Too bad you fucking killed him

[@bangoskank493]

"Because the chieftain ends up with all the wives, all of the challengers tend to be his sons. So the chieftain gets all the wives and all the children, and his sons will grow up to become-" Motherfuckers

[@shuriken188]

Also their sisters.

[@profoundprocrastinator]

I'm sure the women must migrate through different clans... at least I hope

[@jiovanirivera852]

@@profoundprocrastinator they do, orcs trade daughters around

[@PoEbksksk]

lol!

[@94Newbie]

@@profoundprocrastinator the sons probably do too, atleast the ones not confident and/or strong enough to challenge the chief. they would then seek fortune elsewhere, try to challenge the chief of a different tribe or become bandits, adventurers or mercenaries.

[@jacobhewitt2798]

I always liked how they showed that organisation and discipline can be more important than strength

[@darthreaper6311]

Fat Hank Yep

[@Venneroth]

The Imperials are all about organization and they found empires. Most other factions emphasize a balance and at least have provinces. The Orcs are all strength, all the time, and always lose.

[@jacobhewitt2798]

Fred Thacker didn't they create the first empire? I'm actually not sure

[@Venneroth]

@Fred Thacker: There was the nordic empire back in Ysgramor's time, true. Then came Alessia's 1st empire (founded by proto-Imperials with Nord help). Reman's 2nd (founded by Imperials) and Tiber Septim's 3rd (founded by Nords and Colovians [read Imperials].

[@jacobhewitt2798]

Fred Thacker but is that not the third empire not the first empire?

[@lovablepsychopaths8260]

I think there's a pretty simple explanation: the Orcs' inability to form a nation permanently is a blessing/curse from Malacath to remind them of their connection to him. He's the prince of the rejected and spurned, so his children are rejected and spurned. If the Orcs permanently establish a nation they would earn respect and recognition over time, which Malacath's sphere doesn't represent. He probably thinks it benefits them (sort of how Sheogorath thinks of madness as merciful).

[@gravesidepoet5405]

“If you want to see the kind of person you really are, start taking shit away.”- Wes Watson

[@funkygizmo]

“Anyways, back to Orsinium being sacked again...”

[@redfeetinventroyog5187]

Todd howard just hates orcs

[@fredhenry101]

I scrolled past this just as it was said in the video...

[@apugalypse_now]

What else would you expect from a talentless hack like him? Of course the "ugly" race will be stupid and evil with few or zero redeeming qualities.

[@DIEGhostfish]

RedFeetInventroyOG The history of Orsinium predates Todd's promotion to head developer.

[@DIEGhostfish]

Cantrips Orichalcum was supposed to be the Redguards' thing, becore some absolute moron thought "It starts with the same two letters as Orc!" and made it an Orc thing. In Morrowind and Oblivion Orcish armor was definitely made of steel but it was put together far better than any other steel armor, which was really cool.

[@zack875]

Another thing to remember - The orcs were never a large race, just a cult of elves who worshipped trinimac - not even all of the elves who worshipped trinimac, but the sect mobilized against veloth. So, that's sort of like asking why the Liechtenstein populace never conquered our europe - were talking about tribes from a single source in comparison to legit nation-states

[@soleo2783]

@C A cuz game mechanics

[@PrinceVega]

Exactly. Well spoken, Zack.

[@exittierone]

at least Liechtenstein is a place.

[@greensquirrel4019]

So were the chimers, but they turned out to be a master race unlike orcs - cause I think Malacath is an idiot.. Unlike Azura and Boethiah ,

[@LanMandragon1720]

@C A The Greeks(mostly) weren't unified and had similar armor and weapons. They weren't tribes but separate city states is somewhat similar.

[@DarthMatusHolocron]

The Orcs always lose for a couple of reasons. The first are real, physical reasons. The Orcs have always been persecuted. Have you been to the Dragontails in ESO? Good luck farmer there. Or harvesting a lot of other resources. Mining sure, but that takes time to set up and Orsininium almost always immediately comes under attack or pressure from outside. The second real reason: magic. The Orcs fear magic, kind of like the Nords but maybe not as much. They would almost surely have far less mages or sorcerers to send to battle, a decided disadvantage in the Elder Scrolls universe. The other reason they always fail is metaphysical. The Orcs are tied to Trinimac, and thus Malacath. Malacath is a cursed god. The god of outcasts. The god of the broken. The Orcs are his people. If Orsininium was successful, would the Orcs still be outcast, broken, children of Malacath? Malacath is also a warrior god. And the attempt to FOUND Orsininium also fits his personality. So the cycle of rise and fall for Orsininium is a mirror of Malacath in the world. He is drawn to acts of valor and bravery; Malacath WANTS a challenge. But he is also cursed, broken, outcast. Cursed to forever strive to climb a mountain, and fail in the end. Malacath and the Orcs are the Elder Scrolls version of Sisyphus.

[@void9399]

Good comment, just an observation. The orcs do not fear magic. In fact, they have their own style of magic regularly managed by the "wisewomen". But being a warrior culture, they do not pay so much attention to the formal development of magic.

[@void9399]

@@Io-vz2jq Mmm no. The orcs could speak, since before they were orcs they were altmers. And they also developed their own language.

[@raulsalcedo8332]

The Thalmor would have you believe in thier narrative. It's all lies! There is only one true God! And it's Malacath!

[@fumarc4501]

What doesn’t kill Orcs, only makes them stronger.

[@Ken-df8cp]

@CommandoDude what I'm confused about is that one entry claims that the Orcs are the best warriors. Another claims it's the Redguards. Another says it's the Nords. Is this a case of propaganda?

[@YourFather42494]

Orcs: Building a city Redguards and Bretons: *Its Free Real Estate*

[@brendonthestavertonberserk7976]

The Face of Woah THE BEST MEME

[@bryanmanuel4945]

They should paint it purple

[@joynelbonetdelgado4952]

DP to the orcs lol

[@Weirdguy6]

*not that free real estate because it took 4 years of 2v1 with the orcs while they had a growing empire that wasn’t even fully built yet

[@MrTilbin]

Probably already said but; "It's not easy being green."

[@perciejackson8799]

FudgeMuppet: Why the Orcs Always Lose? Snow elves: Am I a Joke to You?

[@LexusFox]

Percie Jackson Snow Elves!?

[@perciejackson8799]

Lexus Fox the falmer

[@LexusFox]

Percie Jackson THE FALMER ARE ELVES!?😱

[@perciejackson8799]

Lexus Fox yes they are. Look up the wikia

[@joelthomas6517]

@@LexusFox Haven't you played the dawn guard dlc? When you try to retrieve auriel's bow you actually find 2 living snow elves who haven't been blinded and corrupted.

[@Survivor-cp7gc]

Because they don't use the atronach stone

[@maiqtheliar8227]

But when a breton uses the atronach stone... Miaq thinks bretons are the master race

[@hamishoconnor9906]

Aye LeBron nice play between Tristian's legs for the and one the other night man

[@m1rock]

666 likes

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

Because no Fungus Beer!

[@goof5068]

m1rock No man

[@Jace532]

I think it's interesting to note that Malacath likely prefers his chosen people to have no respect or consistent province of their own. He values strength through adversity and hardship. If the orcs had their own consistent province, somewhere comfortable and safe, it probably wouldn't sit well with Malacath. Look at the Cursed Tribe quest in Skyrim. Malacath harshly punished Yamarz because he had become soft and comfortable. It's highly possible that he'd do the same to any orcs who become too comfortable in the same kind of province the other races have. No, they're Malacath's children. They do not grow weak, trusting only in the strength of walls and borders over their own personal power. They are strong because they struggle, because they are outcast. To me, it's possible Malacath has a hand in ensuring there is no stability or major victory for the orcs. Stability and victory, anything which leads to comfort or complacency... these things are not for the children of Malacath.

[@TheLordexilius]

Very, very very interesting theory Epsilon. I never thought of it that way ;-) But you are right, it's a cool theory that makes total sense. Yamarz was indeed a soft leader. While in Imperial society, imperials might consider a poet or a laywer to be high status. Now on the other hand, imagine Malacath beholding at an Orcish poet or laywer lol ;-)

[@JoeMartinez18]

That's gonna be their doom, and the children of Malacath will die.

[@zerosaber257]

Epsilon being a savage brings balance to the world but it's not a life i would choose to live by in my lifetime. The lives of these orcs are curious, threatening and pitiful.

[@Tumbleflop]

New headcanon

[@figboi]

"We respect strength and strength alone."

[@Andrew-gt8id]

“No one bests a orc!” *proceeds to get stabbed in the stomach*

[@silverbloodborne9495]

No one best a orc presides to get there collective ass kicked by the main characters

[@omegawatches6764]

I tried making a orc character in skyrim but deleted because whenever he swung his weapon he would make a noise like " hrrg" or "hurrh" really loud and was super annoying HRRRURRHHH

[@audrienaromero2734]

HNGOERARRRERAIRERR

[@Sksk27547]

Hahaha hilarious

[@aaronaustin9814]

They have the best voice in the game. It's better than being a badass buff bearded nord with the voice of a child

[@bensul9979]

i actually liked that, they have the voice of a true beast warrior, not like the nords or redguards xD

[@TommyAllMighty69]

My main is an orc and I got so used to it I thought everyone did it😂😂

[@rectaalborween8471]

I love how everyone in the comments is discussing the lore and I'm just here like "I have no idea what any of this shit is or what I am fighting for,but i know that dragons are bad and I kill dragons"

[@mr.nobody896]

meanwhile me "why kill dragon when you can ride it....and released them to live another day"i think i have been corrupted by miraak power

[@changedusername159]

The real question is who's *really* the gourmet?

[@leandrinho2971]

Boethia i guess 🤔

[@MikefromTexas1]

I love these type of vids! "Are Argonians Weak?" "Why the Orcs Always Lose?" *Do more like this for other races!*

[@LegendarySpaceRipper]

Orcs are not weak though. They live in harsher conditions than everyone else.

[@MikefromTexas1]

Democractic Peoples Republic of Korea No one said they were. If you meant *Argonians,* then I suggest you watch their vid to understand what it means.

[@damnsonwheredyoufindthis.3830]

Democractic Peoples Republic of Korea They're not very smart either thus not very advanced. They are said to be best smiths but most of them still wear hide or leather not their classic orc armor which would actually put them ahead of guards and soldiers. But they still don't have great numbers because only chief can breed and many kids probably die as well from their lifestyle and lack of cooperation with people and settlements other than their strongholds if they need medical attention.

[@LegendarySpaceRipper]

I mean they are always being beaten by weaker species such as hobbits and humans. They are portrayed as dumb in Skyrim but there should be a series on the Orcs to show them properly because I'm sick of seeing them get beaten by inferior races.

[@Herodude808]

There strong, but too independent

[@elliotgordon4795]

The orsimer are held back by Malacath. Following Malacath generally involves not trusting others and being wary of anyone from outside your chiefdom. If the orcs would follow Trinimac, as explored in the ESO Orsinium DLC, they would actually have a reason to start trusting eachother, and they would being able to finally work together to build something lasting. As things are, however, they won't progress because Malacath's teachings are not at remotely conducive to progress.

[@sebastiansilverfox6912]

I'd love to see a story arc in Elder Scrolls VI where an Orsimer (a Genghis Khan-like figure) reorganizes and leads the Orsinium to a level of prominance that results in it having a province of its own... Ideally, letting you fight with or against him and the end of the fight resulting in the size of the province at the end rather than whether or not it exists at the end. This political decision would definitely have to have bearing on how other factions and regions treated you as you travel and a Redguard/Orsimer war would just be fun to take part in (all the while dealing with the looming threat of the Thalmor...perhaps open war which would be why the Orsimer have the chance to make thier move to begin with... And why a player siding with the Orsimer might not be executed in some major Redguard holdings.

[@LambdaTF2]

This would be perfect if ESVI is set in hammerfell

[@adamridds978]

'Cause they don't have enough layers

[@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149]

Yeah, unlike the magnificence of the ogres.

[@richardbaker308]

Youre thinking of ogres

[@pavedpara]

I love you

[@JoeMartinez18]

Is that the... *cough cough* joke for added protection in case she visits your swamp?

[@Nunyabusinessbro]

Don't worry, in the morning I'm making waffles

[@gourmand3]

This is why I loved Kurog in the Elder Scrolls Online. His vision of a united Orc nation, and doing away with all the traditions that held them back was what the Orcs needed to thrive, but he did it too fast without regard for his subjects. He should've kept some traditions, like beating all the orc chiefs in a fair fight, but sparing them so he could serve him as generals

[@COMPNOR]

>Dunmer enters an Orc stronghold >Dunmer: "I'M GONNA SAY THE N-WORD"

[@BigVorst]

*N'WAH*

[@thewhale3672]

*Nord*

[@gadellomagnollo1810]

Despite making up only ten percent of the population of Skyrim, orsimer make up over fifty percent of violent warriors.

[@morrowraven3520]

N'WAH

[@JohannesVanDerStuyvebode]

fudge nugget

[@letemdie4248]

13:23 SHE'S HAVING BREAD FLAVORED ALE! it's my favourite as well

[@skullwiggler2845]

lisa ratt, I love the classic taste of breaded ale

[@OhNoTheFace]

Extreme amounts of yeast

[@tttheemeraldsword7528]

me too. mm yeast #yeastlyfe

[@Free_Krazy]

lisa ratt i was about to comment that you theif!!!!!!!!! Lol jk But i was like "how does that even happen? Still bit as bad as fo4 tho.....

[@xx_datmlgmemeboi_xx8748]

Kvass

[@marcustulliuscicero5443]

Because Malacath. Think about it. He's the Prince of the Spurned and Ostracized, and patron deity of the Orcs. If the Orcs were ever be solidly on the top of the totem pole, they would no longer be spurned and ostracized. So, to keep his followers. Malacath is constantly arranging for the Orcs as a whole to fail. So they keep spurned and continue praying to their god-daddy. Which is what my Orc character that I'll play soon-ish has realized. He respects Malacath well enough, but this tribal lifestyle he wants the Orsimer to life? That's stupid. Sitting in their small family groups doing nothing while a genocidal empire is carving Tamriel up? That's stupid. While Dragons are burning everyone's faces away? Stupid. The Orcs should go out there and arrange a date between their warhammer and a Thalmor's skull.

[@davidvillarrius6313]

Marcus Tullius Cicero Orc resurgence, unite with stormcloaks, ally with Argonian and Dunmer, unite all the Orc clans and stick it to the Altmeri Dominion!

[@roak5456]

This have been my theory for quite some time. You know,I recently had theory about this.....remember how it is said that Boethiah consumed and took Trinimac form,and started spreading lies? What if Boethiah (disguised has Trinimac) managed to make Trinimac's follower hate him,reject him.Maybe the lack of Faith of is follower hurted him so much that he ''died'' and became Malacath,who then gave the same treatment to is followers. Spurned and ostracized,like they did to him.And he want things to stay like this. Is it a coincidence that everytime Orsinium grow strong,there's a rebirth of faith in Trinimac,just to be crushed again ?

[@marcustulliuscicero5443]

The Altmer run a very heavy-handed policy in Valenwood, some would say that they have the province occupied. Dissidents are rather mercilessly hunted down, see for example Malborn's backstory. Then there also was the Night of Green Fire. And then there is the end-goal of the Thalmor of course, although this is unknown to the rest of Tamriel. They want to unravel existence so that the Elvish souls can once more achieve immortality. To them, life is a prison. And to break out of this prison, they have to bring down the Towers that keep Nirn stable. Luckily for them, by the beginning of the 4th Era all but three had already been either destroyed or lost their stone and thus went inert: Orichalc went down with Yokuda Red Tower (Red Mountain) got its stone (the Heart of Lorkhan) destroyed Walk-Brass (Numidium) was destroyed during the Warp in the West Crystal-Like-Law (Crystal Tower) fell during the Oblivion Crisis White-Gold (White Gold Tower) got its stone (the Amulet of Kings) destroyed at the end of the Oblivion Crisis Which left only the following three remaining: Ada-Mantia (Adamantine Tower) with the Convention as its Stone Snow-Throat (the Throat of the World) with "the cave" as its Stone Green-Sap (a network of graht-oak trees) with "a fruit" as its Stone Green-Sap is most likely gone by 4E 201 because Valenwood is held by the Dominion, leaving only Ada-Mantia and Snow-Throat. The Thalmor seem to have opted to knock out Ada-Mantia by destroying its stone, the Convention. The trial and punishment of Lorkhan at the beginning of time. And to do that, they seek to remove Lorkhan's influence from Nirn. Which is why they banned Talos worship, because Talos is technically just Tiber Septim mantling Lorkhan. But this alone will not suffice, as as long as there are Humans, Lorkhan still has agents with which he can influence the world. So humanity has to be eradicated.

[@xSpiegelschattenx]

Malacath AKA the God of Eternal Victimhood.

[@mooseclappin11]

Murkrow42 El rey oscuro Actually, the ultimate goal of the Thalmor is to wipe out all of humanity. This is why they outlawed the worship of Talos, because he won't have the power to protect humanity from the Dominion if not enough people worship him. It's a very long term goal that they intend to active slowly, but surely.

[@lavenderscare4995]

That breeding rule is kind of limited...I'm guessing orcs that live in other provinces or cities don't follow it? There not in a stronghold, and there would be no chieftain, so it's not like there'd be anything stopping a "city orc" from having offspring, even if there weaker then any stronghold chief. With so many orcs leaving strongholds to settle in cities, it kind of seems like there artificial natural selection would start to be weeded out, and they could even start catching up to the other races. Maybe it's for the best that orcs don't have there own province? I mean, orsinium was basically just one big stronghold, so maybe smaller populations scattered around tamriel and it's other provinces are the best way to ensure that orcs as a race are as strong as possible...just voicing a thought though.

[@amkn7939]

Thats why orc left the tribe...

[@ahmedfalahy9337]

The Thalmor noticed the weakness of the Orcs and they used the same strategy in the Skyrim Civil War. *Divide & Conquer* and *Civil Conflict* makes nations weak and vulnerable.

[@katedevils5648]

Which certainly doesn't sound at all like the US due to out of control polarization and hate of those with different opinions and constant dehumanization of anyone right of Gandhi.

[@garytaylor3880]

Censored by KZbin safespace Don't you mean the Nazis?

[@alexandargrganovic2629]

Censored by KZbin safespace so they are jewish nazis?

[@gabzdark07]

l3054 That's why ISIS never attacks Israel, right? Fucking moron. Look up who is actually behind Open Society Foundation that has been pushing for this shit. Look up who owns the Federal Reserve and by extension the petrodollar which is the reason for all these wars that created the situation in the first place. Who runs the European Parliament? Who runs Goldman Sachs? All fucking yids.

[@gabzdark07]

l3054 That land belongs to their historical inhabitants who are the Palestinians. It's ironic that you call me anti-semitic while defending the khazars who murder Palestinians (actual semites) and steal their lands.

[@heathperceval4387]

I never understood why orcs could never win or had an actual country thanks for clearing this up

[@AntonDeMorgan]

Overripe Llama they had, orsinium. A small province in the wrothgarium mountains between Skyrim and Highrock. Irony is they always got pillaged.

[@abyssstrider2547]

George Burner They were tolerated untill they started pillaging others.

[@redfeetinventroyog5187]

Edin wrong it was not the fault of orsinium raiding outhers it was because 2 Clans went Directly against their own king to raid for the sake of raiding even thought they allredey had plenty of food and services

[@abyssstrider2547]

RedFeetInventroyOG they still pillaged.

[@redfeetinventroyog5187]

Yes the fact is however the entirity of Orsinium would not've been sacked you can't say regardless the orc's pilledged it was part of Orsinium that went directly against their king simply out of bordem

[@heatherholme5248]

Tbh I love Orcs. Even though they are indeed huge losers. They’re *my* huge losers though.

[@torstenw5723]

I just love that they're not only losers but they worship a loser as well

[@ArtemKotenev-m2t]

2:45 "Malakath, also known as the Daedric prince of the ostracised, the spurned and the BLOODY OATH mate"

[@1mad8ro]

Sooo, nords are conciderd racist, while they fought the elves once and after that only hated them. The bretons and redguards slaughter the orcs multiple times and they aren't even seen as xenofobic.

[@spiritsnake89]

Wouter Castermans they are, but skyrim forced us to focus on nordic xenophobia and racial discrimination while breton and redguard xenophobia is only in in game books

[@saabstory4778]

Oh every race in Elder Scrolls is extremely xenophobic, not just Nords. Nords traditionally have hated all elves though, especially the Dunmer. I think it mostly comes from their general fear and misunderstanding of magic as most elves are magically gifted races in general. The hatred of Dunmer is definitely a bit more personal though.

[@quitmarck]

+Saab Story No, it's because the snow elves were huge dicks against them and killed of an entire city (Saarhal). Also Nords were far from against magic until the Winterhold College destroyed half of Winterhold.

[@Nyghtking]

Shruk Pls - yeah the Skaal are nords and they still practice a type of magic don't they? Though I think what they do is more druidism then magic.

[@saabstory4778]

Yes, the Snow Elves and Nords didn't get along very much and then the later conflicts with the Dunmer around the time the Dwemer disappeared definitely didn't help their sentiment towards Elves in general. The Nords didn't value magic in the same way mer did traditionally the Oblivion crisis and Winterhold collapse really did make everyone abandon it and start to truly fear it. They're a physical culture and value a strong shield arm over knowledge and always have, that's for sure.

[@KryptosLounge]

the orsinium dlc was so good in ESO. I’m not usually a fan of orcs but the whole questline was super interesting. I also helped a lady orc become chieftain of one of the clans. That was fun.

[@matteussilvestre8583]

Nonsense, Orcs can never lose. If they win, they win. If they die, they die fightin' so it doesn't count. If they make a run for it, they can always have another go at it, see?

[@Dorgpoop]

Matteus Silvestre I assume that by saying "making a run for it" you are referring to a mighty orsimer bezerker battle charge. I can't think of any other circumstance that an orc would run in the middle of a battle.

[@dexfrancolini4734]

Matteus Silvestre nah I’ve beaten up orcs many times and they’ve conceded many times to me. One even said he lost after a brawl.

[@royalmarine1285]

Matteus Silvestre heresy.

[@CollinBuckman]

I understood that reference.

[@angrywombat2379]

dorgesh its a warhammer reference

[@findout-YGO]

"Why the Orcs Always Lose" hmm idk maybe that Old Orc in skyrim that basically said "yo kill me pls" had something to say about it

[@j.vinton4039]

Igor give him a good death....

[@lamolambda8349]

Is he like the new Umbra I swear Skyrim is just a shitty Morrowind

[@Checo43]

@@lamolambda8349 How dare you call another elder scrolls bad by the name of another elder scrolls.

[@lamolambda8349]

@@Checo43 Cmon just admit Oblivion and Skyrim vanillaed a genius game out

[@Checo43]

@@lamolambda8349 Each game was a masterpiece, and Skyrim is easily considered be best of them all by most ES fans, Morrowind was a masterpiece as well and probably has the best storyline, but the elder scrolls greatness doesn't stop there. Each of the games have their own flaws too, more noticeable as time goes by, but they were more successful each time for a reason. I hope you were kidding, if not I'm really sorry for you lol

[@milkytapwater1686]

My cousins out fighting dragons and what do i get? Fudge Muppet duty

[@Gamesfan34260]

*Before watching* Cuz they're idiots? *After watching* So, they were idiots, got it.

[@msharmall7298]

@C A lmfao

[@tetsumeaoepaidowha8394]

*the orc in winterhold comes over to tear you apart with angry atronachs*

[@tetsumeaoepaidowha8394]

@@vxDAZZAvx are they tho? I can kinda see the tribal shit but what else

[@vxDAZZAvx]

@@tetsumeaoepaidowha8394 stronger but more primitive civilisation lol. Usually based in wastelands in huts lol. Big nostrils lol

[@tetsumeaoepaidowha8394]

@@vxDAZZAvx I get the nostrils and and huts but I think it comes down more to the individual for strength

[@johnsteiner3417]

Simply being strong isn't a guarantee of winning wars and conquest. Some of the best armies in history were of people who physically not imposing.

[@lennarthumpf8031]

like ?

[@johnsteiner3417]

@@lennarthumpf8031 Example Number One: Roman Legionnaires. They averaged a few inches shorter than the Germanic warriors they squared off with, and until the reign of Octavian Caesar Augustus, would routinely inflict an order of magnitude more casualties- if not more, than they took. The Mongolians of Temujin were physically smaller than most of the people they fought. I went looking for information on the Huns, but with their style of mounted archery warfare that too would've completely mitigated any value in size.

[@lennarthumpf8031]

@@johnsteiner3417 legionaires are a perfect example of what I mean marching an average of 30 kilometers a day with up to 35 kg of equipment just to build a camp in time before nightfall; being able to hold up their scutum while wearing their armour for hours in battle They were very much physically imposing despite being shorter than say the Germans or dacians

[@johnsteiner3417]

@@lennarthumpf8031That's wholly different from the original point of physically large warriors, and in today's spec ops, often the opposite.

[@lennarthumpf8031]

@pokezee king-wolf still doesn't mean the Roman's weren't physically imposing

[@luka2298]

In Daggerfall, they were just inarticulated barbaric beasts. They make great heavy infantrimen though. When backed by imperial logistics and tactics.

[@JohnBrown-tw2qi]

Maybe that’s just how people perceived them.

[@carterhajek8208]

I remember I did an experiment years ago when in the start of the game you go from Helgen straight to winter hold and I did this with every race and the only one that could do it without getting killed was the orc it was interesting I'd like to see someone else try this

[@hecred1173]

Wow cool

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

Being Orc mage is a bad thing. Being High Elf/Breton mage is a better thing

[@SaucY213]

carter hajek The rng of the enemy spawns makes the experiment inaccurate.

[@TangomanX2008]

I see on possibility for the Orcs. Perhaps a Genghis Kahn like leader can unite the Orcs.

[@MertSu66]

yo... thatd be a great next installment. we did the existential crisis couple of times, gates of hell opening, world eater dragons reborn - lets just take a fuckin step back and have a orc genghis khan for a main villain

[@andruloni]

@@MertSu66 Villain? Make him the protagonist :)

[@Ghost-on5dz]

Otto von Bismark will unite all the small orc tribes and make a big, strong nation!

[@unverschamt2735]

Ghost *Orco von Bismark

[@Lobito-qz9pz]

@@Ghost-on5dz That's actually a really good, historical analogy you just made there. Although, the idea of a "purifying" race might be closer portrayed by the High Elves, specifically the Thalmor

[@kingvince7328]

What if they made Elder Scrolls 6 about someone who rebuilds orisinium for good, but you can choose whether to do this through sheer ruthlessness or diplomacy. I think that would be really cool.

[@eccentricamalgamations9106]

It would be interesting but couldn’t be a full game. There’s not enough orcs, not enough fans of orcs, and not enough things to do in orsinium due to not being very connected with the rest of the world. However it could certainly be a major piece of the plot in an elder scrolls game and while I did say there’s not enough to do in it for a game I mean more so large scale there wouldn’t be a mages guild or more developed factions really only malocath and Trinimac cults maybe. But like I said could definitely be a piece in a new game.

[@Haedrix]

@@eccentricamalgamations9106 Bethesda could basically make a city building game out of the Orsinium concept though. That's a genre all on its own so you could do something with the idea without it having to be a main series installment.

[@doctordarkness100]

What if I wanted to turn Orsinium into a Orc auschwitz?

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

Naw, playing as Khajiit in Elsweyr or Argonian in Black Marsh sounds much more interesting

[@jacrispy3275]

@@NiCoNiCoNiCola - Black Marsh is probably a big no-no, seeing as the disease kills every race that ISN'T an Argonian. And Kahjiits' lore & culture is way too complicated for a whole game. I, personally, like High Rock.

[@natelangston1113]

Sometimes I feel like the only Elder Scrolls player that plays a orc 😂😭

[@curple3]

You aren't an orc! You are just a breton with green skin! -Soldier, i think...

[@toria.4613]

I play an orc!!! They're the best!

[@charlessugg6102]

I love playing as an orc. Sure there are other Warrior/tank classes, but Orcs to me fit my play style the best.

[@Lae-zel_enthusiast]

As someone who is a skinny and weak girl, playing a badass axe wielding orc lady is my dream.

[@exittierone]

porky forky would beg to differ

[@Jaden-lv7kx]

I love how this has so much lore you can make a 15 minute video over orcs making cities.

[@edor867]

the background footage is fantastic, makes your videos very enjoyable to watch!

[@antimonycup7066]

So what you're saying is.. clean up your room?

[@h4mm3r51]

J(orc)dan Peterson

[@psovegeta]

Mudcrabs form a hierarchy made up of male and female gender roles.

[@Soulslayer612]

Well that depends on what you mean by the words "clean" and "room". It's not obvious what you mean by "up" either. It's no joke man. In all seriousness though, what inspired you to reference JBP on a Skyrim video?

[@antimonycup7066]

@@Soulslayer612 Free association.

[@daemonCaptrix]

It's because they sided with the Dark Lord.

[@paxtonhayes7822]

daemonCaptrix sauron can be a real bitch

[@eu.co.5627]

Brigth referance ?

[@bonfiregaming1747]

daemonCaptrix it's a bright reference you know the movie

[@charmicarmicat2981]

daemonCaptrix bright was an excellent film

[@Ashpkfmdmdmdmd]

Thought you meant papa franku

[@teirdalin]

"Why the Orcs Always Lose" Well last night I was playing some Morrowind and I came across a stronghold of orcs with my low level mage, I levitated onto the wall and just laughed at them while I tossed lightning down on them while they just ran around with their axes.

[@larsrons7937]

Morrwind is my favorite TES game and levitation is fantastic.

[@teirdalin]

@@larsrons7937 That mage eventually went onto being the Telvanni archmagister with every piece of equipment enchants with absurd enchants. It really is such a fun game

[@xh0rsex]

Orcs, shmorks, I'm more upset that you can't play as dwarves.

[@sketep1117]

@@Io-vz2jq it's more complicated than that.

[@sketep1117]

They are called deep elves you uncultured swine.

[@koppunch]

@@sketep1117 but its basically that.

[@sketep1117]

@@koppunch they misteryously disappeared and it is heavily implied they are still alive somewhere.

[@vemis124]

James Bauer sigh this community doesn’t really know shit about lore lol

[@DarkArachnid666]

Somebody should make a Skyrim mod called "Rise of The Orcs" where you control an orc and bring glory to your people!!! :D

[@lordkauck]

FudgeMuppet: Why the orcs always loose? The Argonians: Am I a joke to you?

[@thatonegoblin7051]

They're currentpy doing just fine invading morrowwind post red mountain eruption

[@Arthur1379-a]

The argonians literally invaded the Deadlands.

[@FlyingRaijin52]

Because they didn't use berserker rage.

[@boredboy1993]

the past is elven, the present in man, the future is orc!

[@Arthur1379-a]

That's an interesting way to spell Khajitt

[@toxicman9128]

Look, all I’m saying is that if Orcs have been expelled from 109 provinces, it’s probably their fault

[@larsrons7937]

Just like in Ukraine. The Orcs need to be expelled from Ukraine.

[@ForgetfulHatter]

2:40 god you gotta love elder scrolls lore sometimes....

[@wyatt3740]

Don't forget what vivec did after being raped...

[@tomeccles2922]

The pale orc is telling us about orcs

[@lonewanderer6628]

Tom Eccles pale orcs in skyrim?

[@daughterofthegull4822]

Azog the Defiler

[@matteussilvestre8583]

New SE build confirmed?

[@kashiffarees881]

Scott looks like an orc with his dumb haircut.

[@LegendarySpaceRipper]

I wish there were several Orc races like the elves have. Even Hobbits have several types.

[@Definitely_Not_Sheev_Palpatine]

Orcs: Build a city Bretons & Redguards: So you have chosen... *DEATH.*

[@Tuskor130]

11:53 "Kurog then had his mother lead a fight against the cults" "Hey mom can you fight the cults?" "Son you're old enough to fight your own battles." "But moooooom I'm the chief"

[@hibiscustea9274]

Tuskor getting Eric Cartman vibes

[@warlordpancake2580]

The orcs lose because you always call them losers(sheds tear)

[@gabesalois-blood3934]

It'd be cool if Orsinium is back in ES6 and you can choose to either help the Bretons and Redguards destroy it or help the Orcs defend it

[@Bjorn308]

Lack of numbers, organization, mages and trade/allies. The real question is: "As the Orcs are now, how could they possibly ever win?"

[@edsheeransdad9985]

MinionOfDeth2112 dude quick question. w5527. Do you know what that is?

[@Bjorn308]

Dude, quick question: what does it have to do with the Orcs?

[@yudistiraliem135]

They might one day united just like the plain tribes of Mongolia IRL and put themselves exclusively as warriors and other races pay them tribute to fulfill the needs of their empire.

[@daughterofthegull4822]

Orcs are one of my favorite races along with Nords, Dunmer, and Argonians Great video BTW FudgeMuppet

[@marcustulliuscicero5443]

Man, your favourite races sure are a rectangle of mutual hate.

[@lestat305]

How can your fave races be both argonian and dark elf? Screw the dunmer, may the hist save us all

[@daughterofthegull4822]

Marcus Tullius Cicero You could be right they all each have there own hate

[@daughterofthegull4822]

Liam White Both cultures are interesting May the hist guide us

[@mutegrab666]

Actually, not all Argonians hate the Dunmer. Only those who's tribes were enslaved, hate them. Naga, probably don't care either way as they never leave the inner marsh. Really, only the tribes who live in the outer marsh would have an opinion. (the races of Men and Mer can't survive in the inner marsh)

[@chumaktv5386]

“It’s not easy being green” - Kermit the Frog

[@thegreycrusader]

Do a video on why Wood Elves and Orcs aren't good with magic but the Dunmer and Altmer are.

[@Tito_michi]

Orcs are good with magic. They are mer after all.

[@connornicholas8628]

Orsinium in ESO is one of my favorite cities to visit.

[@kaylethstarbane7800]

Connor Nicholas It is a nice DLC one of the best haha.

[@natepiercii]

Hero of Wrothgar

[@KennyAnahuac]

Connor Nicholas Is ESO still heavily populated?

[@connornicholas8628]

I was playing it about four months ago and it seemed pretty full.

[@remyghanem3465]

Kenny Anahuac yeah, the game is a bit addicting, all the zones are still full of people. I don't think the game is going down especially when there's a new chapter coming in June. There's a lot more dailies to do. Most WB can be soloed others no, they instant one shot or get swamped by trash. There's still a lot of bugs with group tooling, low cp players shouldn't be allowed to do veteran Hard dongeons dlc dungeons, bc you need the cp buffs to help out with dps, also the expetience. But the prize with the low lvl are amazing you get pets, crates, more skill points and more loot, you get to choose too. It's nice! The endgame is amazing, trials are always fun but the loot drop ugh damn you VO daggers!

[@pajamawolfie]

The early orcs didn't understand that Teamwork Makes The Dream Work, smh

[@LegoMaul]

Love lore videos. Dont care if it's about what shoe size tiber septim had. There can't be too much lore

[@HartyBiker]

Chiken what size shoes _did_ tiber septim have? And did they change after he reached CHIM? These are the questions that need to be asked

[@andruloni]

@@HartyBiker First things first, do countries on Tamriel have unified shoe measurement systems? And how do they relate to ours?

[@FoxMikage]

Because they don't have leader to make Orsinium great again, an orc that would build the greatest wall you ever seen and make the Britons and Reguards pay for it.

[@godzilladestroyscities1757]

Well, orcs have small hands.

[@garytaylor3880]

I mean I'm sure they would rather tear those walls down and slaughter the lot of them rather than pay anything but sure lets go with that 😂

[@jaydentt]

@@garytaylor3880 r/woosh

[@jaydentt]

Oh, so trump

[@LMGunslinger]

Give a Breton a pile of bricks and he'll make you a City. Give an ork a City and he'll make you a pile of bricks.

[@larsrons7937]

I guess the Ukrainians are of Breton descent then. The Ukrainians build something beautiful, the invading Orcs turn it into rubble. But Ukraine confirms the video's title - that the Orcs will always lose.

[@redemeralddimensions3290]

It’s because the orcs don’t work together but they need to work with another race to become better

[@carlosr8680]

Well, in TES Legends they are THE BEST race playing together... it's impossible lose with an lane full of orcs.

[@shabr1ri]

*dislikes in the name of the green daddi beasts*

[@SansmansExe]

*le launches riften guard all the way into outer space with giants club*

[@rumpsprung4520]

Riften Guard You dont do a very good job guarding your hold, every new player has stolen from your major city at least once.

[@nicolaiveliki1409]

Not all Orcs are Stronghold Orcs, though. Quite a few have given up their barbaric ways and live with the populations of the province they end up in somewhat peacefully and are very much appreciated for their dedication and productivity. This doesn't make them strong as a race in TES, since they basically make up very small minorities, but they do generally enhance the places they live in. If THOSE Orcs decided to band together some day to form a nation with their strength tempered by their experience of civilization, they could actually start carving out an existence for their own people

[@calebbishop5338]

You guys should make a best build for each race vid

[@sabin97]

best build? it doesnt matter what you choose....in the end you are so incredibly overpowered you can one-shot almost anything....even a giant....

[@TheJoker-xw8zg]

Orcs may always lose in Tamriel, but their still my favorite race. Idk a race perk better late or early game than Beserker Rage. Some people prefer Bretons because of their magicka resistance, nothing a good enchantment or the Atronach Stone won't fix though. Doing double damage and taking half every day at will, can't be bought.

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

Maybe people choose bretons because HALF-ELF HALF-HUMAN CONCEPT ISN'T THAT POPULAR, WHILE ANGRY GREEN GUY IS OVERUSED?

[@EmoEmu]

An orc god being a literal shit from another god is a story variation I'd never heard of before Elder Scrolls.

[@bitspokes496]

Elder Scrolls is unique in that way

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

@@bitspokes496 I also love how there is no universal good and evil in the Elder Scrolls universe. While there is universal order and chaos, good and evil vary greatly from society to society (ergo orc chief's rule of 2 and dark elf's Griffith-esque culture). In Middle Earth, good creates, while evil corrupts, but in Tamriel, chaos creates, while order controls.

[@Robert166-k7t]

The answer on how that orcs city has fallen and was rebuilt is because Answer:dunmer

[@vond5829]

If the orcs were to successfully form a nation, their innate talents in physical strength and metal craftsmanship would eventually lead them to be the dominant race, but due to their nature, they would rise to become aggressive to other nations and attempt to conquer them by force, just like the Krogan in Mass Effect series

[@silverbloodborne9495]

That's where some orcs needs to learn diplomacy

[@thatssoderek2188]

Assuming ES6 is set in High Rock/Hammerfell it would be so nice to see a return to Orsinium and even have a quest line where we can bring it back to its former glory. Kinda like with improving hideouts for guilds, you do quests for the Orc leader and the town improves each time. And as it improves more people move in and it becomes a major settlement. Even in the Skyrim load screens it mentions Orsinium has been rebuilt in the mountains between Skyrim and Hammerfell. Its the perfect time for a Orsimer revival!

[@michaelwhitewolf6988]

There's never going to be a 6, give it up

[@callumsear9505]

Can you remaster fenrir stormblade and can you do a face guide for him

[@Fishdogpigsquirrel]

Despite orcs making up 13% of the Skyrim population......

[@squidlard5316]

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@Cheesesteakfreak]

Orcs need affirmative action.

[@chocoboasylum]

Mostly bandits tho

[@diaperdude6163]

I kinda came up with this screenplay idea that was about and Orc taking an Elf princess back to her people, explaining to her throughout the journey why his people are cursed and despite their strength are always cursed to die. He brings her back to her people but they brutally kill him and she learns the brutal truth of his philosophy. I think that would be a cool story.

[@christophermanners1582]

"Shit elves" they may be; but orcs can be pretty badass, too, when they want to be.

[@Kryptnyt]

Orcs always make for the toughest enemy NPCs

[@PHLCoffeeSnob]

3:00 The lore I know says the Chimer worshipped Azura not Veloth and were turned into the Dunmer by Azura for worshipping the Tribunal. Only Almalexia, one of the Tribunal, survived the curse and chose to stay as a Chimer

[@kyleshaw8868]

Honestly never clicked a video so fast.

[@russellwhite3415]

Why are orcs not good at magic

[@NicholasJDavies]

there underbite

[@John.Cambrian]

they have low IQ

[@mutegrab666]

The Orc librarian in Winterhold begs to differ.

[@JoeMartinez18]

They are like Nords... "Fuck magic... magic is for sissies"

[@damnsonwheredyoufindthis.3830]

Russell White They have bunch of raw strength so they would make for a great warriors. They also lack much intelligence which is confirmed by some mad guy who set a trap and had orc fall in there. Madman said if the orc would hold his head under the water which was in the trap until a candle would burn out he would release him. Idiot drowned himself. So they probably want to show off their strength because they don't see anything like magic or thinking important. Classic idiot with strength. Hell maybe they can't even understand magic. Not all orcs are stupid ofc but they are less intelligent than other races.

[@KuroHix]

Think that a big, well build, tough, strong and charming orc comes to challenge a tiny village. How you get him angry? Mention they other god and make him fall in a deep water or a very tall mountain. Easy kill, armour, weapon and lot

[@Ragnarok6664]

But they dont really loose, they just come back for more, keep the fighting going 👍🏻💪🏻

[@notsae66]

So this can basically all be summed up as "Orcs are dumb."

[@Weirdguy6]

notsae66 no it’s basically “this video is totally biased and not reflective of the true orc culture”

[@pandawithachainsaw9482]

first of yes they do have a lack of intelligence but only a little bit second off theres things that are way way way stupider than them I mean have you seen giants Ps I love orcs ;)

[@LeviathanSpeaks1469]

One reason I play as an Orc in Skyrim… An Orc Dragonborn would have the innate ability to fulfill the Code of Malacath to the point of unifying the Strongholds into a kingdom and, depending on which side he takes in the Civil War, could seize Orsinium for himself and establish a unified Orcish state.

[@lornbaker1083]

Actually that sounds like a fun play through how would I do that?

[@LeviathanSpeaks1469]

1. Play as an Orc, 2. Stay neutral in the Civil War, 3. Come up with a reason why your Orc Dragonborn sacks the Thalmor Embassy for personal revenge if you join the Stormcloaks or do the Forsworn Conspiracy quest before joining the Legion

[@GWebcob]

Orcs are all bandits and Khajits are all thieves! #SkyrimBelongsToTheNords

[@MarcusofMenace]

Are there actually any khajits that dont talk about drugs or stealing in skyrim?

[@harveyspecter3361]

I like how many things explained in this video about the Orcs can in some indirect ways be applied to something in our own human history! Truly amazing lore!

[@BrownxPrid3]

I would want to see a lengthy quest line where you help a single orc raise an organized orc horde and nation. Or if you're playing as an orc perhaps you can raise it. In the end you have a nation of orcs as an ally to do with at your disposal.

[@clericofchaos1]

kind of like the krogan. they'd probably be better off leaving tamriel with as many tribes as are willing to go and finding a whole new continent for themselves. then they would probably develop exactly like the krogan, eventually developing bigger and better weapons to compensate for their lack of innate magical prowess and end up nuking each other or someone else to prove their strength.

[@JoeMartinez18]

Krogans aren't inbreeding Twats... and neither have the a low birth-rate by nature... that's due to the Salarians and Turians. The only thing they might have in common is, they are a warrior culture.

[@clericofchaos1]

where in the world did you get any of that in my comment? I never said anything about inbreeding, i never called them "Twats", and i never said anything about birthrates or the genophage. before the krogan were even a known species to intergalactic civilization they were nuking each other to prove their tribe's strength. that's why tuchunka is an ash pit. So did the Klingons from star trek. them being a warrior culture means that they will always be fighting something, even if the only ones they have to fight are themselves.