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[@DonSuratos]

🔴 The Black Tide Kickstarter 👉🏼👉🏼👉🏼 kck.st/4fGApqI

[@rardain2660]

I'm really interested in the Kickstarter BUT can the bust be printed on an FDM printer - has anyone tried it? I have had some very good success with other busts and have enjoyed painting them up with Vallejo Game Colour paints.

[@DonSuratos]

@ FDM?! I will ask our lead sculptor bro. ☺️

[@rardain2660]

​@@DonSuratoscool thank you 😊

[@HauntedCorpseGaming]

I would rather somebody slap chop or slap chop 2x with your methods versus them fielding bare plastic any day. Love the videos.

[@izzan3084]

Don, you're the boss. Been watching and saving your videos for a few years. I believe you have THE BEST channel for PAINTING on KZbin.

[@jamesn2830]

Looks like painting to me

[@DonSuratos]

😅 Haha! Thanks man! 🎨🎨🎨

[@defdaz]

Putting paint on something = painting. Some people are so weird. You rock, Don!

[@DonSuratos]

Yeah! Kinda weird, since I saw the commenter double and triple down last night. Unfortunately, I think he deleted his comments OR KZbin removed the discourse. 😊

[@MarketResearchReading114]

I never thought about a double slap chop concept. That's a great insight. Thank you.

[@DonSuratos]

It’s a good way to speed things up! 😉

[@thelordswargames614]

I have never been into contrast, but I must agree that this non-painting video is very convincing ! It gives a much deeper layering than a non - painting airbush technique.Thank you for the video !

[@DonSuratos]

You are most welcome! Yes I rarely use my airbrush. Most of my miniature painting here, does not need an airbrush. Too much overspray for miniatures in my opinion. 😊

[@castagnopolis]

To the person who said, "Dry brushing and using contrast paints isn’t real painting," I’d like to say that, as a dad, I just don’t have the luxury of time I used to have for painting and dedicating myself to all those fine details and edge highlights. There was a time when I could spend 20 hours on a single mini, but that’s just not possible anymore. Speedpaints have given me my hobby back. Even if I’m aiming more for a tabletop-ready finish these days, I still enjoy going all out on some pieces to make them special. I was close to sell everything when I found Slapchop and Speedpaints, so, IT IS PAINTING!

[@DonSuratos]

It is painting. 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@tam653m]

Keep ding what you do, my man. We dig it.

[@DonSuratos]

Thanks! Will do! 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@williamowens5144]

Grisaille underpainting is a very old painting technique where the artist uses neutral colors (grisaille is French for 'grayness') to paint the picture and ensure the contrast levels are where they want them, and then thinned transparent paints are used to color it in. We've simply adapted it to mini painting.

[@davidbeer5015]

Bonus when I went and looked it up, it said an element of it was to give a way for 2D paintings to give off a statue feel. Seems fair game.

[@DonSuratos]

True. So true. Working with transparent is actually more complicated than it seems, than traditional painting with opaque paints. Elitist painters can be so amusing. 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@vincentchevalier3085]

As a professional painter, i use almost the same technique for basic painting, and it's just fine. painting is painting, rembrand is not picasso, both are greaat painters, just using different techniques! I'm also a long time viewer of your channel, and some of your videos really inspired me, cause I'm also a lazy painter. The point is to have painted minis, most of people doesn't want/need to have golden demon like painted minis, just painted minis are great ! Keep going ! Your videos are great !

[@DonSuratos]

Thank you sir. I was talking to a couple of fellow full time painters the past few days, and we just find people like these funny. They do not contribute to the growth of the hobby, and can be argued, that they are gatekeeping in a way. I am not bothered at all tbh. But I feel, these people deserve to be called out. 🫢 More painting to come bro! I enjoy this so much! 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@Io_Wreck]

Loving this chop on chop. Your use of speed paints is inspiring

[@DonSuratos]

Glad you like it! More to come! 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@reuterss306]

haters gonna hate. I come from traditional painting and drawing and its the same there. There are always people complaining or telling you "drawing on a tablet isnt real art" "drawing comics isnt art" etc etc. Cant be bothered by those negative minds. In the end art is highly subjective. To me art is everywhere...even cooking can be art imho. Discussing what painting is and what not...thats not the point. Finding creative ways to bring life to plastic models, using different mediums and approaches...thats something real beautiful and fun to me. Not being close-minded and open to experiment. And I love watching channels like yours where you can learn and see how other people think of new ideas and ways to paint models. And for many people its not just a single model they want to paint for showcasing, I'd guess most people here paint for their games...so thinking of ways to speed up the process but getting high quality results is key to me. Using contrast/speedpaints is a super-nice tool, because I for myself dont like basecoating that much. So i can skip this completely with those paints, bring color variation with some nice quick airbrush underpaints and then go crazy with what I like the most...which is detail work, glazing, effects, a bit of edge highlighting etc. Sorry for the wall of text. :D

[@DonSuratos]

Dang it! Reading your long comment is like reading something that I wrote myself! 😅 However, I must admit, I kinda play it safe when replying. I am pretty sure my haters are waiting for a bad comment from me and will post me at reddit again. 😛 Yes… haters are a lost cause. 🤣🎨🎨🎨

[@WladSawicki]

very interesting technique. I will definitely try it on my miniatures

[@DonSuratos]

Awesome! Do tell us how it goes! 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@trekbrooker2692]

That second slap chop layer produces some impressive results!

[@DonSuratos]

Thanks! It helps create depth and dimension. 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@gillessturbois8914]

Impressive work !

[@DonSuratos]

Thank you! 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@gillessturbois8914]

@ i am a total beginner and find slap chop pretty interesting. You have quickly great résults. I love the idea to work on transparency with layers of colours !

[@castagnopolis]

Thanks so much! I don’t usually comment on videos, but this one really helped me realize that I wasn’t using my speed paints incorrectly or going crazy. For about two years, I’ve been using what you call the "Chop on Chop method." I’d painted some expensive minis I bought, but they ended up way too dark because the speed paints I used were in darker tones. As a result, I lost a lot of the highlights and details I’d worked hard to bring out. I freaked out, especially since I had spent so much time on the Slap Chop and undercoating process to really get those highlights and contrasts. I felt stuck with only two options: stripping the paint or dry brushing over it again, which sounded risky/crazy at the time (because the "rule" of the paints was that they work with one coat). But I decided to try it, and not only did it save my work, but the results ended up looking fantastic. Thanks again for the guidance!

[@DonSuratos]

Oh man! Nice to hear your story! Thanks for sharing! 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@IIItiberius]

Love the technique of using speedpaint medium as a way to blend the edges! Great color transitions!

[@DonSuratos]

Thanks for noticing! 😊🎨🎨🎨 I love mediums! 😊

[@vitaliyred622]

Fantastic! The end result is just such a great mix of colors!

[@DonSuratos]

Hi! 👋🏽 So glad you liked the final result! 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@holymacaroni84]

There will always be jealous people. Above all, it's exactly those who sit there at home and use this "non-painting technic". 😂 Keep it up, the idea is great and I'm looking forward to trying it out on the next monster. because I need exactly those color schemes. Btw its so funny how you pronounce chop on chop on chop on chop. Made my day 😅

[@DonSuratos]

Always! Hee hee… Filipino accent bro. 😅🎨🎨🎨

[@iohanart]

That is painting, for sure. Great job

[@DonSuratos]

Thank you! Cheers! 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@Weaver_Games]

People are just mad an accessible technique has very good results. Paint models the way that makes you happy.

[@DonSuratos]

I have zero idea how people can be so elitist when it comes to a hobby. Totally agree! Do what makes you happy! Just enjoy the hobby! 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@thrrax]

@@DonSuratos Unfortunately, I know a lot of guys like this. And not just when it comes to painting. Printing your minis is frowned upon by elitists (GW fan(atic)s especially), collecting bootleg figures is frowned upon (I just want a pretty figurine of my favorite fictional character, and don't want to break the bank paying for an overpriced product, just cause it's "original" or licensed, and this is why I love McFarlane products), using AI to boost your products (ok, this is a grey area, but still), and so on.

[@fraserskomorowski2311]

The painting over a grey undertone that sets the the highlights and shadow is "grisaille" , a method used by many old masters. It's painting! Keep up the great work Don. Kind regards to you and your family.

[@DonSuratos]

You got it! Thanks for watching! 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@derekgarcia3069]

This looks great! I have a bunch of old Ones to paint for Cthulhu Death May Die, and I think this would be the easiest and most relaxing way!

[@DonSuratos]

I love that game! 😊🎨🎨🎨🌊

[@scottrenfer2735]

Awesome! Looks so good!

[@DonSuratos]

Thank you! So glad you liked the result! 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@dm51964]

Superb stuff Don and excellent work. Have been painting miniatures over 40 years and some of those at a professional level for magazine adverts. Speed painting to me is a another painting technique and equally valid as any other. Keep up the good work

[@DonSuratos]

40 years! 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 Thanks! I wish to paint for 40 years too! 💙🎨🎨🎨

[@iantellam9970]

I do something similar and started out doing it like this but but these days I tend to do my base coating with regular acrylics before ‘slapchopping’ over it with thinned Speedpaints like this. You get a similar effect of highlights and shadows but more even blocks of colour, no coffee staining etc.

[@ronaldramirez5601]

Love your videos Don, and I do like this method. I don't have all day or time to do highlights and more advanced methods, and this one does produces good results and bonus: I enjoy it more because It looks so nice and I can paint faster.

[@DonSuratos]

Glad you like it, I am really enjoying this method as well! 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@platypuspaints]

I've used this technique on a couple of bigger minis, it's great to create a good result in a fast and easy way.

[@DonSuratos]

It really is! Super fun! 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@Nof1Studio]

Thanks for this. I'll be painting a large miniature in the near future and these techniques will help a ton.

[@DonSuratos]

You are most welcome! Thanks for watching! 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@Adrian-dt2oz]

Haters will hate; bet that nerd can’t even paint eyes right. You are a boss and your style is unique and amazing Suratos

[@DonSuratos]

Haha! I haven’t actually met a hater, much more a gatekeeper that is good at what they do. Thanks! 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@mauricioabud4884]

👍👍👍👍👍

[@DonSuratos]

😊🎨🎨🎨

[@shawnp601]

Haters are gonna hate…keep up gods work Don. You clearly have a superior grasp of color theory, brush control, paint techniques, etc. Love the videos man…they motivate me to improve on my own painting journey!

[@DonSuratos]

Thanks man! I appreciate your support! 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@williamcomolli9470]

I've seen your videos painting miniatures with oil paints. Great videos! This is my first time seeing the chop-on-chop. I wouldn't have thought of dry-brushing over slap-chop, brilliant! I thin down my speed paints and do multiple layers and wet blending but seeing the depth of color with chop-on-chop?! You've given me another tool to experiment with and improve my painting. Thank you! Subbed so I won't miss anything else!

[@DonSuratos]

Glad you enjoyed the video! Chop-on-chop is so much fun! But I miss painting with oils! 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@alphaleigpyne]

You did a splendid with the speedpaint slap chop on the Cthulu miniature. Foxbite brushes are decent contrast/shade wash tools, including for acrylic paints.

[@DonSuratos]

Cthulu Bust, yes! 😁🎨🎨🎨

[@florianservant9546]

Merci de nous montrer cette façon de peindre, ça m’aide beaucoup 🎉 il me tarde de voir la prochaine vidéo 😊

[@DonSuratos]

Merci! More to come! 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@thehappyogryn]

I do a lot of paint with regular and slapshop mixing, got to try this, looks great and fast to get a nice organic result.

[@DonSuratos]

Do tell me your results! Thanks for watching! 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@RC-he3oi]

Haters gonna hate, painting is an art not a technique. Respect 🤟.

[@DonSuratos]

People think, putting people down elevates them. 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@VariousIdeas-f2q]

I loved the thumbnail quote... by Einstein! Haha. Two levels: first, mocking. 😊 second, sooo many misquotes attributed to Einstein. I can just imagine him layering with his frizzy hair, chaffed at speedpaint 2.0! Amazing art, man. Ty for covering different techniques.

[@DonSuratos]

Thanks man, appreciate it! 😂 I just had to clap back man. 😛🎨🎨🎨

[@VariousIdeas-f2q]

@DonSuratos those that cannot do, criticize.

[@DonSuratos]

@@VariousIdeas-f2q Almost always true! 😊

[@MaskedRiderChris]

Speed paints see some occasional use on my end, and even though the majority of my painting is still straight up acrylic, I'm not going to crack on others for using them. I've learned they have a place in my painting repertoire and even though I don't fancy giving GW my money, Army Painter's Speedpaints 2.0 will do me just fine. Besides, you do some really good work with them, Don, so I can't say anything bad anyway.

[@DonSuratos]

Thanks! 😊🎨🎨🎨 GW contrast paints are pretty good too. But very overpriced in my opinion. 😊

[@MaskedRiderChris]

@@DonSuratos Totally agree. GW/Citadel products are overpriced and overrated most of the time, IMO.

[@DonSuratos]

@ Not hating here man… but totally not worth my money in most cases. ☺️

[@VhonX]

Ganda Master, ginagaya konarin tecnique mo❤hehehe

[@DonSuratos]

Thanks kabayan! NO master, just mister! 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@jhrykkjutku]

When you drybrush in multiple light layers, do you wait for each one to dry ? Thank you.

[@DonSuratos]

Yes! Great question man. Will mention in my next video. Thanks! 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@elwinbachillerjr9856]

Definitely painting. Have you tried this method on a mid-value primer with a warm or cool tone like Vallejo skeleton bone or desert tan, instead of a black primer? If you have, could you make a video of the results?

[@DonSuratos]

I’ve tried just warm-ish grey priner, then white drybrushing. The result is okay. But I had to apply more washes on the crevices to build more contrast. 😊

[@chriswendlandt2917]

Anyone who says using speed paints isn't painting probably doesn't use them. People watch pro painters on KZbin and think it looks easy. But using speed paints is a skill itself. I use contrast paints and while my army looks good my skills aren't at your level yet. I am getting a set of speed paints because of your videos so I can see how they work for me. Keep up the videos I love them.

[@DonSuratos]

Speedpaints are actually different or feels different in comparison to contrast paints. They can work together well though. 😊

[@TheStonehammerFiles]

I would love for some one to enter a competition using just this method and see how they do.

[@DonSuratos]

Actually. But most likely one should focus more on the “plus” part for competitions. ☺️

[@Retrofun69]

Choppychop works on space marines too.

[@DonSuratos]

Will try soon! 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@FancyTurtl]

Hi, this looks amazing! I just got a kit of army painter speed paint 2.0 and I'm keen to try something similar to you. I had a question on how you do the blending to create a sort of gradient (like you did for the back with blue-green and tentacles with pink-flesh). Do you basically apply the first color then use the speed paint medium by itself at the intersection of the two colors to "thin it down"? Thanks!

[@andreyroschevkyn8431]

How many chop should I chop to be proper chopper?

[@DonSuratos]

As many as you want. But I think around 3 chops would be optimal for good results. 😊

[@Arkkimonni]

Toughest part following your technique, which I love and want to learn, is to get a go from black to 'gray' and then up it to white, without making it look like I just painted white directly on the mini. Your videos gave me courage to spend 60 Euros on 32mm 3d prints from internet. So both a handshake from me and middle finger from my wallet. I hope to upgrade from 32mm scale miniatures to larger scale. But once you start to look at the prices, it's suddenly seems cheaper to get your own printer vs. just the accumulating postage expenses if I'd even order a new mini once a month.

[@DonSuratos]

Larger scale is friendlier to my old eyes actually. 😅

[@Gamebent1]

Elitists suck at any level, so good for you Don! I'm so tired of "eavy metal" style mini painters crapping on speedpaint just to boost their fragile egos.

[@DonSuratos]

Fragile egos! Hahahahahaha 🤣

[@ginlucks]

Do you suggest to always mix sp colors with medium ?

[@DonSuratos]

Only if you commit to applying multiple translucent layers. 😊

[@ginlucks]

@DonSuratos thanks!

[@DonSuratos]

@ You might find this Speedpaint medium video useful 👉🏼 kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIHcf32bp7F6Y7ssi=NHzQgEu5P9J3ZbYt

[@ginlucks]

@DonSuratos thanks. I'm browsing all your vids. They are gold

[@DonSuratos]

@ Camera and and audio of the older videos, are not as good as now bro. But glad you like them. 😊

[@howardcoates6985]

Ok, definitely not painting... must be magic.. or... OMG... Witchcraft!! Beautiful work.

[@DonSuratos]

Hahahahahahahahaha! 😅🤣😂 Thanks man! 💙🎨🎨🎨

[@Paintbetterthan]

If anything your technique takes more skill, to get higher highlights you need a bright background, kinda like watercolor painting. You can't just mix white into your highlights. Very cool

[@DonSuratos]

Hey thanks man! Thanks for watching! 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@ChristopheW88]

Hi Don, backed this Kickstarter but the files are corrupted and not working. Plenty of people have left messages on the Kickstarter page but Blue Brick Art arent responding. Anything you can do please?

[@DonSuratos]

Thank you! Will check with them today! Appreciate it man! 💙

[@ChristopheW88]

@DonSuratos thanks so much for the quick reply! Looking forward to the tutorials 🔥

[@DonSuratos]

@ No thank you for telling me. We will fix those STL uploads. Our apologies.

[@riot_of_flowers725]

What a weird take. To be completely honest, I don't use Speedpaints, but thats because I've just never been able to get them to look right to me, so I just kind of gave up on using them. I just use colors a few shades darker than what I want to work up to, layering up those highlights, while leaving the shaded areas the color of the basecoat. What I love about that method is you dont have to use a lot of washes, if at all. But to say what method of painting is, or is not painting is just weird to me. One thing I love about this hobby is that in the short time I've been into it, I've never really noticed a lot of gatekeeping, and it would really be cool if it could stay that way. Just keep doing what you're doing man. I learned proper wet blending technique from you, which I hated before. Haha.

[@DonSuratos]

I think the hate is so weird. 😅🎨🎨🎨 I did not like the look of speedpainted minis before too, until I tried them myself last year. Speedpaints are the perfect example of a medium designed for beginners, but can produce proper work, with the right technique. 😊

[@CactusJackter]

well now I know how Im going to paint my Cthulhu Death May Die 2 foot tall Cthulhu "mini"

[@DonSuratos]

I love that game so much! 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@DanSGee]

"what do you mean you didn't spent HOURS on that painting and it still looks good?!? That isn't real painting!"

[@DonSuratos]

I did! Roughly 4 to 5 hours bro. Editing the video is longer! 😅

[@Benry87]

I'm tickled you obscured the original commenter's username, but kept it exposed in your reply to him 🤣🤣🤣 Awesome job as always. Name em and shame em!

[@DonSuratos]

😅 You're right, I should have blurred them more! 😅🤣😂

[@whiteroseaikikaikyotodojo-5497]

Awesome paint jobs, just found your Channel. Question - would this technique work on wood carved items? Have you ever tried it? Appreciate you, cheers.

[@DonSuratos]

As long as the wood carving is sealed and/or then primed? Or else it will suck in the paints too much.

[@Rhyds86]

I really don't get why some older painters seem to bear a serious grudge against beginner friendly methods.

[@gamelover260]

Listen, im just glad slap-chop took the heat away from me and my airbrush, i got too much flak

[@DonSuratos]

😅🤣😂🎨🎨🎨

[@donewiththis-2012]

Slap on slap? Chop on Chop? Nah. It's Slap², possibly even Chop².

[@DonSuratos]

HOW!? How you typed 2 squared man! 😅

[@DavidBis]

Damn, I want to not-paint like you!

[@DonSuratos]

Hahaha! NOT painting is the way! 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@TheAlmightyfoon]

I would just call it chop chop instead of slapchop on slapchop or chop on chop.

[@DonSuratos]

Double Slapchop? 😊

[@Abraleo]

I love how you did NOT paint that bust

[@DonSuratos]

Bahahahahaha! 😅🎨🎨🎨

[@lycaon1003]

Not painting. USE BRUSHES AND PAINTS isn't painting!!!!! Jk looks great!

[@DonSuratos]

Someone said this is called “farming”. 😅🤣😂

[@thymekuhn8387]

"..blah blah isn't painting" -sound like the words of someone who only watches videos and never actually picks up a paint brush.

[@DonSuratos]

Actually! You have a point. 😊🎨🎨🎨

[@darkstranger777]

Its ridiculous how people want to dismiss certain painting techniques as not painting. Painting as a whole involves many complex techniques, tools and different paints etc. Painting is painting bro stop with the nonsense

[@DonSuratos]

It is all about having fun with the process, right? 🎨

[@darkstranger777]

@DonSuratos exactly bro your very talented keep it up 👍

[@cabellism]

Dont listen to the mouth-breathers, i doubt they can do 1% of what you can.

[@philedwards7331]

How the fuck is this not painting? It's carefully considered value building/adjusting covered with a glaze. It's like saying using water colors isn't painting. WTH?

[@DonSuratos]

Hahahahaha! This is NOT painting, because it is human nature to devalue things that are easy to do. It is a MAJOR misconception in “art”, that great art is the hardest to do. A well thought out art, may the process be time consuming or not, can be great. 😊

[@Undoing77]

People who try to gatekeep what constitutes "art" reek of low self-esteem.

[@DonSuratos]

Soooo true! I think you nailed it! 😊

[@thrrax]

I find this elitist type of people funny. To them, painting is what only guys like Giraldez or Calvo are doing. You know, those guys that had decades of practice and like to be fiddling an gimmicky with their processes, because they are painting for a living or for competitions, not just for fun or relaxation. I think that at some point they became mechanical, and don't even realize it. To the elitist, if you're not struggling for 100+ hours, it's not "painting", or "art". Even more funny, they have no idea that this technique was also used in cinematography, not only for traditional and miniature painting.

[@DonSuratos]

I like Sergio Calvo a ton more. Sergio also paints armies to relax. He does not film his army painting for KZbin though. Sergio’s work also feels and looks more artistic for me. High level relaxing work. Giraldez is good. But feels too mechanical. Less artistic in his approach. 😊

[@paul80085]

Slapchop - when "good enough" is too high a bar for you

[@DonSuratos]

Huh? 🤔

[@DukeJohnny]

Cambridge dictionary defines painting as "the skill or activity of making a picture or putting paint on a wall". Don, you're doing this on miniature busts, so I'm afraid it's officially game over for you, just delete the channel already :D Lmao the people out there... Cheers master!

[@DonSuratos]

Bahahahahaha! Never thought of googling the dictionary definition. 😅🎨🎨🎨

[@Ulrican414]

It is painting just not good painting. This technique was literally designed for people who don't enjoy painting. So they can get models on the table as fast as possible, and that looks okay-ish. Now, there's nothing wrong with doing this. But some people get an ego after learning to slapchop and think they're great painters. They are not. Also people are afraid to put in the work to learn other ways of painting and will die defending this one easy technique they can do. Hidden behind a mountain of excuses.

[@iantellam9970]

All that matters is the result. If the result is good it’s good painting. You can do a shit job using ‘traditional’ layering methods or a good job using this method. Or vice versa. It’s always worth practicing all techniques, but you can do all of those methods on top of a base coat like this. They’re not mutually exclusive.

[@Ulrican414]

​@iantellam9970 they're not mutually exclusive obviously. But this is just a basic technique that A LOT of people are using as a crutch. And some of them get insufferable defending this and claiming to be great painters. I have nothing against the technique just the culture of insufferable slackers that formed around it.

[@iantellam9970]

@@Ulrican414 I mean all kinds of people can be insufferable, thinking they’re great painters. Or insufferable because they look down their nose at people who use different techniques. At the end of the day one look at the model will reveal all you need to know. If it looks great it’s great, if it looks crap it’s crap. If someone got there using one method or another it’s irrelevant. You can push underpainted styles beyond basic ‘slapchop’ with a good understanding of the mediums you’re using and combining it with other techniques, as with this video, but like anything it requires practice and knowledge just like any approach. It’s not easy making it look genuinely good, beyond just tabletop acceptable. At some point it actually becomes ‘easier’ to use more traditional techniques to achieve good results.

[@Ulrican414]

@iantellam9970 ok whatever my guy. I'm just saying I don't like the slapchop community. They've become lazy and attached to this crutch/ training wheels that they refuse to take off and call themselves awesome painters. You're just throwing out generic obvious arguments like "they're not mutually exclusive or anyone can be annoying," so I'm done talking to you. Yes, you can improve upon a paint job after you slapchop, but if you're going to do that, you might as well not slapchop, IMO. If you're gonna put in the work starting from a slapchop foundation, it is a bit of a detriment, IMO. But do whatever you want. I'm done with this pointless discussion. If you wanna get better, stop slapchoping everything.

[@iantellam9970]

@ You’re right it’s not really slapchop if you’re doing other things - and that’s the point of something like this - developing beyond slapchop. I haven’t noticed anyone calling themselves ‘awesome’ for just doing it that way, just satisfied with their own results and good for them - it’s mainly seen a quick way to get minis on the table. Neither have i ever identified a ‘slapchop community’. Mostly just a rash of clickbaity videos. But it’s not any worse than any other speed painting technique and skills can be developed just as easily as starting from the GW approach or whatever you want. It’s objectively no easier than the traditional layer-wash-highlight really, which is still where most beginners still start and stay. Back when I started painting in the 90s it was the only way i knew how, as the internet wasn’t a thing and all I had was White Dwarfs to go by. It’s much better now that there’re a host of processes and techniques people can draw from now and combining and experimenting with a variety of techniques is the best way to learn and improve.

[@Paintbetterthan]

If anything your technique takes more skill, to get higher highlights you need a bright background, kinda like watercolor painting. You can't just mix white into your highlights. Very cool

[@DonSuratos]

Thanks! Love the watercolor comparison. I have been a watercolor painter since I was 12 years old. 😊🎨🎨🎨