Sleeping Loft in the Off-grid Tiny House, Mushroom Log Cabin in the Woods

I build a sleeping loft in my off grid workshop/tiny house in the forest and inoculate oak logs with shiitake mushroom plugs for more self reliance food.
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[@MySelfReliance]

Thanks for watching! I realized after I uploaded the video that I didn't provide any explanation for the process of growing mushrooms in logs, nor was it obvious what I was doing. Click on this link for a brief description of what I'm doing and why. It's a video on my other channel, Shawn James; kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3rYgKemeZJ9jKM

[@colly1952]

Thak you for the info.

[@cassiarodrigues8964]

Gostaria que as minhas respostas fossem em português não sei falar inglês kkkk porém curto de mais vc

[@NikosReegas]

Thank you for your beautiful videos!

[@LaLadybug2011]

Thank you for explaining! I was 4.5 minutes in and thought "I'll check the comments, someone will know!" Should have known it would be you explaining.😊 Much respect from a fan way down in Louisiana, U.S.

[@derrihanson9876]

Thank you for clarifying

[@DeeDee-qz6cg]

I wonder how many people are yet to realize that to make these camera shots you have to walk twice or thrice the usual distance. Have to setup the camera, walk the shot, and then retrieve it. First time i got this realization was when watching the tv show Survivorman, where he explained this process while being alone and without a camera crew. It impressed me, and still impresses me how much effort goes into making these awesome shots.

[@LeighDeitrick1]

It blows my mind. A ton of work and hours go into just one video, not just the shooting process but then editing. 😳 Gotta appreciate and support them.

[@francinesexton8266]

I often wonder if his wife or someone else is doing the video.

[@MySelfReliance]

Nope. Unless my wife and daughters are with me on a hike or something, I am alone and film myself. They help when and where they can and want to more often, but I build alone

[@inismoonlight4731]

@@MySelfReliance Enjoy your channel very much. New subscriber.

[@jennyconner6047]

@@inismoonlight4731 Welcome!!

[@FiglioBastardo]

One thing I've always loved about watching you bust your ass building whatever is on the menu for the day is you've always had Cali there and always take the time to throw her toy for her. You're an absolute savage with a soft heart. Thanks for always sharing such great footage and working so hard to bring it to us Shawn.

[@shelleydavies349]

Just in awe of how much energy it takes to walk through the deep snow and to live this lifestyle. Nature’s exercise gym.

[@louisecassidy5991]

We've gone from "chop wood, carry water" to a remote voice-operated lifestyle and going to the gym! Ridiculous isn't it?

[@randyrussell6246]

I've been building structures for decades ( hundreds ) many of them being of different types of log homes including some for my self and family but so have many of my peers. What I've built is nothing to be in awe of since it is my trade, what I am in awe of with these videos is all the time it takes this man to go back and forth to pick up and relocate his camera ! Back tracking down the trails over and over again to show him coming and going, getting footage from left and right , up and down. If he didn't have to screw with the camera as much he could have built a village . Maybe one day his wife or someone worth his salt would join him to get the footage needed , allowing this man to exhaust his full potential !

[@truus5653]

"Onthaasten" (in Dutch) or "slow down" to nature rhythm, thats what this video bring me. Thank you mr James

[@jimgriffiths9071]

Bright sunshine, wood smoke in the air, soaking up that vital vitamin D after a long, dark winter, firm footing, no bugs......ahhh nothing like March in the woods!

[@maryblaylock6545]

So very true. Makes for great social distancing! And you can get so much done when you aren't fighting off mosquitoes, black fly, deer flies, and no see-ums.

[@dalecouch1995]

@@maryblaylock6545 I was in the woods today. Almost 80F here in Georgia and my allergies are going crazy in the pollen capital of the world. I am thinking the North woods would not be full of pollen.

[@melissajohnson2935]

Except the woods, in March, in Louisiana....the bugs have already emerged 🥺

[@donolinger6904]

- I wish that was true about Ohio but the mosquitoes are already out.

[@kimperes5987]

Hello Shawn! When I first started watching your vids I assumed your wife was behind the camera. You made it seem so effortless but watching you trudge in snowshoed up these hills makes me realize how hard you must constantly double back to get these flawless masterpieces out to us. Thank you!

[@deborahbarrina6313]

Hi Shawn, everyday I watch you doing many chores in the forest, I am amazed kay God bless you

[@melvinmuddfuckle4263]

I'm willing to bet, if you ended up on the moon and were going to be there for two years, you would build a log cabin while you were there, and it would be testimony of your skill, talent, grit, and self determination and independence! Your the man, Shawn! God bless you & your family!

[@patriciabarnes7034]

Shawn is a one man building army. With just Cali for company, we watch him move mountains, and fashion logs into works of art. I was so furious when he told us he'd be starting over... Now however, as time passes and the wound heals, I'm excited for his new beginnings... Like a kid full of great expectations, let loose in a candy store. UK .

[@sari4079]

One of the most industrious men on the internet! How do you manage to film all these videos on top of everything else you do? Great stuff!

[@normabenavidez2138]

He is the few that I see work, work, and work. Awesomeness!!! Get outta here with that 9-5 , Saturday and Sundays off. Also, working with Mother Nature. This was my Grandparents work ethics.

[@ginapruett5401]

I know he does so much and makes it look so relaxing than our chase the $.

[@Lupi33z]

This is my fascination too. The illusion of continuity created here by the way it's filmed, most people would never consider as they're so used to television and movies. I assume given Cali isn't being distracted by another person, that Shawn is constantly moving a tripod around in between takes, or should I say edits.

[@keycris4680]

Matar animais em extinção desmatar florestas para bom like é o que os yutubers fazem ,

[@cicibradley2809]

Yes he is! "Traplines And Inlines" young fella is too.

[@joehaefeker5752]

You're an expert at off grid living 👍if anyone needs advice, I'll point them to you Shawn James 😉 You're awesome and I love you brother ❤

[@1acrehomesteader43]

Many people who have never done something like this will never know the amount of work that goes into such a project. Triple the work when doing it with traditional non-electrical powered handtools! 💪💪

[@roberttumbarello2987]

Very true my friend. I think that even though it is hard work it can be enjoyable if you love what you do.

[@buddyjackson3148]

Plus recording it !!

[@luisv7117]

If you are walking in the Canadian wilderness and find a few cabins, a church, school you know who built them. Thanks for sharing and uploading we will keep watching you and kali

[@terrythomascra]

Waters running...the smell of Spring is in the air... Really respect you learning process on building project as lessons....nice Chaga find. Have a great day Shawn. 👍

[@Jimwill01]

Well, Cali knows more about building a log cabin than most people do!

[@matthewburden9403]

More like learning to assemble cabin kits.

[@dleach89]

@@matthewburden9403 Cali is the dog lol

[@vickiehigh9152]

You will never understand how much I appreciate the time and effort that you put into these videos. Thank you so much for sharing.

[@shirleyanderson8441]

Now I know how "chaga" appears. Cali is a scream--eating snow, rolling in it, not ready to wade in open water, but she's thinking about it. Rafters & the loft will be a great place to air-dry lumber. Thank you for keeping all of us on your journey. Crystal-clear audio, so enjoyable at the stream.

[@shirleyanderson8441]

@руслан шумилов I am sorry. There is no option to translate your words.

[@TheBoabby50]

@@shirleyanderson8441 Try Google translate - it recognises Russian, but seems to be an invite to his channel??

[@alexkasacous]

Love all the build, cooking, gardening, hunting, camping, etc you do, but I could watch hours of just Cali playing in the snow.

[@thetruthpost9693]

You must be new. Thats pretty much what we do with all his videos!

[@FiglioBastardo]

Cali is the real star here! 🤣

[@FiglioBastardo]

@@thetruthpost9693 Right? Shawn? Who's Shawn? I'm just here for Cali! 😂

[@thetruthpost9693]

We know. Cali needs her own channel. But then she might become more successful. It could hurt his feelings.

[@patriciabarnes7034]

@@FiglioBastardo Cali is joint star of the show... Its 50/50...

[@karenwornum6275]

thank you for the glimpse into your life, I am envious of your home, all that quiet nature.

[@debrasantistevan4797]

What a Blessing it is to watch a man to show us the Gibson talents that God has given him and to show us iam we all are to watch such talented men from the gifts of God keep up the good and Bless work your doing a fabulous job God bless you

[@johnkeegan6646]

Shots of spring melt were just amazing! You really have the photographer’s gift of composition and color. Thanks!

[@jmar665]

I was totally intrigued with the entire video. Hated to see it end.

[@salprestige2577]

its callled My Self Reliance peaceful effect... only on YT

[@kathyl5610]

How absolutely relaxing it is to watch a man working! Sounds like there’s something wrong there, but it’s true. Between the beautiful scenery and the hard-working man, I’m totally relaxed. I love these videos and I’m so thankful I found them so long ago and have been able to follow along on your journey. Thanks for all that hard work and dedication.

[@loufarbus2330]

Me too

[@ashleighjaimaosborne3966]

Agreed. 😊🇨🇦

[@kathyb2071]

Exactly!!! I wish there were more men like Shawn 👍

[@ronaldziehlke9720]

Building that loft gives a new meaning to making your bed.

[@RoachAB]

Can't believe this is a one man show, better than big studio productions..

[@inge6280]

Wow, even with the snowshoes it looks like tough walking in all that snow

[@westend3019]

Beautiful land. It's great to see the forest wake up and Spring taking hold.

[@scottnyc6572]

Making the impossible look possible one step at a time is therapeutic and reassuring that anyone can achieve their goals if they just stick with it.Thanks for the inspiration!!

[@JasonAHeisey]

Shawn's gotta be in the best shape hauling around those logs. The dude doesn't even need to go to a gym, the outdoors does that for him.

[@richardrosenau9292]

Never have to worry about hitting a stud in those walls... Awesome job.

[@seancohen81]

Are you hitting on a stud, Richard? 😁

[@richardrosenau9292]

@@seancohen81 I would say, it is hard to miss those studs.

[@seancohen81]

@@richardrosenau9292 Just be careful with your hammer or you might get nailed.

[@gdismine01]

Five minutes of content 30 minutes of repeat shots.

[@michaelvasquez5761]

lol

[@Flowergurl2000]

Cali! Likes. Snow, a lot! Throw her toy! Omgoddess this place just gets more and more beautiful! Thank you for all your hand tool use.

[@rock-n-rollfoodie]

I enjoy minimal talking. It is stress free video. Your way is a natural teaching.

[@cosmasindico]

Your channel is always an oasis of sanity on the internet.

[@MakeitMake]

I second that! 😊

[@MrRackinroll]

Shawn, you absolutely amaze me. In one way or the other I have done much of what you are doing BUT not under the circumstances that you do and accomplish with great efficiency and quality. The quality of your work is in my estimations Supurb. Congratulations. I have been watching for maybe 3 plus years and I love every moment of your adventure. Thanks RC ,

[@COMNAVAIRPAC1998]

Ditto

[@joehaefeker5752]

It wouldn't surprise me if I found out that your I.Q is beyond 130 which is extremely intelligent 🤔 you're very resourceful and a wonderful person God bless Shawn James 🙏I enjoy your videos 👌

[@167curly]

Love that "Social Distancing" teeshirt, Shawn. Amazing that is all you wore in central Ontario in mid-March on a fine day! That's a great but simple workbench outside your new workshop. Callie proves that four legs are definitely better than two in deep snow. Love her boundless energy and patience waiting to retrieve her her toy when you throw it for her. I'm curious to find out what that log construction outside the shop will be used for.

[@young-soonkim6730]

I think he is inoculating the logs with mushroom spores.

[@louisecassidy5991]

@@young-soonkim6730 he tapping for maple syrup.

[@heatherclayton-callaghan4270]

@Louise Cassius NO he taps living maple tree trunks for maple syrup.

[@John-Adams-Can]

@@young-soonkim6730 I'm curious why it is in a Lincoln log formation

[@CoroaEntertainment]

It’s mentioned on his other KZbin channel.... he’s taping the logs so he can grow shiitake mushrooms.

[@stephenwismer5876]

there is a true Canadian for you, shirtless with snow everywhere, thanks for the long video Shawn. That work shop is coming along nicely

[@joehaefeker5752]

Cali is such precious dog 😍

[@mattmason4589]

Golden retrievers are just the best!

[@ghostcityshelton9378]

I luv animals too !💖

[@denaredford6701]

I really like the setting of this log tool house . The deciduous trees allow for all the light to come through to the cabin . It’s all so beautiful .

[@janisgriffin7278]

One Whole Year in Quarantine from COVID-19. Many thanks for you & Cali making it more Bearable, Shawn🥰

[@patriciawilson605]

Love your furbaby. She is having fun in snow and supervising to make sure everything is going right🐶

[@Siris35]

Cali is right there learning as well......I love this channel.

[@longwildernesswalks]

Sean, for the content this by far has to be one of my favorite episodes you've ever done. I was hooked from start to finish. Thank you so much for allowing us to tag along with you on this wonderful journey. My wife and I aren't far behind you and I've learned so much by just watching. So thank you for that. Have a blessed day!

[@seraphdude77]

You have earned all the respect from all viewers. You are such a good hard working man, with good moral principles and your humility is to be admired and i know rewarded by the our Lord and your family. Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm one loyal viewer. Thanks and God Bless you and your family.

[@John-Adams-Can]

Shawn is the only man that came out of covid winter skinnier than he went in.

[@sharonturner5896]

😄😄😄

[@skronkaamulen]

Hahahahaha

[@oksills]

Hardly true..... oh, I see you are joking.

[@jaisgowrie8966]

As if I wasn't jealous enough of this lifestyle, you go and bust out the black smith tools.........

[@cwebblocksmith]

Absolutely.

[@matrix626]

2500 views in 11 minutes! Holy Moose! I would have said Holy Cow, but i would guess you are more likely to see a moose than a cow.. Love the new builds, glad winter is shedding her blankets and spring is waking up.

[@dennisisthedroningsmalley9807]

I like that ‘Holy Moose’ better than Holy Cow, or Moley, or Toledo. I say “I’m not complaining. I just like saying that.”

[@fgb3126]

But moose have cows!

[@maryblaylock6545]

@@fgb3126 Holy Moose Cow!?!? Will that work?

[@leannemori9688]

@@maryblaylock6545 😄

[@newsteps3876]

Good morning from Brooklyn, Ny. Another day in the wilderness! Great.

[@brianscott9861]

Its people like you that shows that you can have peace and a purpose in life! Thanks

[@marianfrances4959]

Crazy canuck rides snowmobile in tee shirt! Crazy canuck chops ice shirtless! 😉🇨🇦👍🐾💜✌

[@stephengagnon4714]

I would have done something like that if I was young without cranking bones but I enjoy watching you do it

[@thisguy1413]

What is cranking bones?

[@winstonsharpe4080]

@@thisguy1413 getting old!!

[@genefoust5569]

Thanks for the video my friend another day in the wilderness

[@amandab.recondwith8006]

Every man needs a man like you!!

[@iinindiani7867]

Very cold. My country Indonesia No have snow. My regard from Indonesia ❤️

[@thizizliz]

Lots going on. As the weather warms & the sap runs, you must be getting excited about beginning the new cabin.

[@lisaarehart1637]

Never fails to make me feel lazy! Thanks for the motivation, now I can get my day underway.

[@COMNAVAIRPAC1998]

Man Shawn does another video, I'm gonna lose my job sitting around and constantly watching his videos. lol

[@markrtoffeeman]

I always love it Shawn when you put the pot on for a hot beverage. Having a hot drink and five minutes with Cali. Blessed.

[@rhondawilliams2140]

Thank you for sharing your progress on your cabin. Love the sound of the rain , birds and all. So calming.

[@vango20]

By far my favorite channel on YT to be inspired and challenged- keep going strong Shawn! Josh

[@jaisgowrie8966]

One of the most industrious men on the internet! How do you manage to film all these videos on top of everything else you do? Great stuff!

[@jamespopp8882]

I'm a carpenter also. It's understandable how this kind of working is so relaxing to the mind. Doing what you love is the key. And the body feels well used at the end of the day. We sleep soundly on a regular basis. You make me proud of my Canadian roots Sean. And I still have my great grandfathers woodworking tools from the 1800s. My Papa moved to the US in the 40s. I've been watching your vids since day one. Peace to be with you brother.

[@kathystaursky4063]

I always love seeing what you’re up to Shawn as well as enjoying the gorgeous landscape........but I must say.......Cali is where my eyes always go ❤️ love that dog !!

[@jeanadamsick9854]

Love the frozen waterfall. Miss Cali, is such a cutie pie!!! *Just wonderin, what is the temp. up there, you took your shirt off, w/the snow still out on the ground??? Looks like spring is on it's way!! But, looks like rain, snow, the rest of what weather nay bring your way, does not stop you Shawn. You blessed by God Almighty, for sure!!!!!! You are unlimited w/your skills & talent, Shawn!! Do take care. (FL.)

[@cuteshadow]

It seems like im right on time. Perfect!

[@dinkcastell4878]

I've been telling all my friends about your channels .can't stop raving about them .love watching and learning Shawn thank you for all the time and effort you put into your videos.

[@rogerp6903]

Thanks again for another thought provoking post,Always anticipate the outro extras.Spring thaw segments are so tranquil

[@elizabethannwest646]

First time I see callie resting. She is a busy girl most of the time. Love your vids super interesting. You have many skills

[@butterflylover1347]

never seen a hard working man like him

[@sylviegonzalez1153]

When I see all that saw dust I remember using sawdust to preserve blocks of ice for summer.

[@kimperes5987]

@Sylvie Gonzalez Great to know Sylvie! I hope Shawn sees your comment! I'm curious as how to do this. Would you mind sharing?

[@sylviegonzalez1153]

@@kimperes5987 There are articles on the internet on this subject, I am going to age myself, but I saw this when I was young lol. That is what the term ice box comes from. You can saw the ice from any from any frozen lake, pond. Hope this helps

[@jamesellsworth9673]

THERE IS A FINE 'OLD TIME' TECHNOLOGY! My grand and great-grandparents had 'ice ponds' for exactly that purpose. They heated with wood and built farm buildings...and there was some sawdust on hand.

[@denisemeredith2436]

In the gardens of some stately homes here in the UK they have ice houses dug into the ground and lined with brick, the servants would collect the ice from the ponds and pack it into the ice house so that their masters could have ice cream etc.

[@QuiltedLily]

@Kim Peres my Dad used to cut large blocks of ice on our dugout, then stored the ice blocks in a wooden bin. Shavings and saw dust were gathered from a sawmill, and were used to insulate/bury the ice blocks.

[@garybeaudetsr8642]

Thanks again Shawn. Just remembering how it was 20yrs . ago, is very cool.

[@robingoffinet3251]

After you made that beautiful place, you gave it up for a match box. You fix it so beautiful with an outdoor kitchen, laundry/sauna, everything.

[@1960Sawman]

Another great video. I like how Shawn has his snowshoes hanging on the outside of the cabin. A guy in the suburbs parks his car in the garage. The guy in the woods parks his snowshoes outside his cabin. I love it. This has to be one of the best channels on the planet.

[@johnnyeaton]

I love having your videos on in the background while I work. The music and the sounds of nature, even the sounds of construction, are calming.

[@user-np7pq2gy1v]

The sounds of snow crushing underfoot 🥰 and the stream chugging along under the snow. So peaceful.

[@newtonbesthighlights602]

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[@young-soonkim6730]

Good Saturday Shawn & Cali🐕! 👍🏞🏡

[@young-soonkim6730]

It's my first time seeing the inoculating the logs with mushroom spores. I have seen some Asian videos where they stocking the inoclated about 4' logs into tipi row style. The logs were kept outside in the forest.

[@TaigaTurf]

Maple Syrup Time always brings me back to Sean's homestead; Beautiful new forest setting.. looks like you moved North of Hearst with all those spruce!

[@kawaiilayla5538]

ALWAYS WATCHING FROM PHILIPPINES🇵🇭❤️❤️❤️

[@lyubowgresle7992]

My lovely, healthy CHAGA! Much respect from Siberians.

[@jwicks7612]

Thankful the weather is starting to give u a break .... it was close to 80 degrees in good ole Georgia today!!!! Work shop looking good!!! After taking the time and effort to start the mushrooms I Hope you get lots of mushrooms !!! Rain .... sleet or snow Cali always has her game time on!!!! She is so sweet how she patiently waits for you to throw her toy.... take care hope you have a prosperous week and the wether continues to cooperate too!!! 😊

[@HandbagDiva]

I finally got a notification! Hello from beautiful sunny Ontario!

[@virginiareid5336]

I am so glad I am finally strong enough to watch your more lengthy videos again. Evidently there was already an infection and it filled my good lung with pneumonia. Do take care

[@dawnawest3610]

When I see shots of the water current under the ice and the steep snow banks I get concerned about Cali falling in and not being able to get out. One of our neighbors here in British Columbia just lost a Golden Retreiver that way a couple weeks ago. He was swept under the ice by the current and drowned. I thought of Cali immediately and have been praying for her safety. You probably have her trained to stay away from water in the winter. Anyway, God bless and keep you both safe. I so enjoy your videos......it brings me peace in the midst of an unsettled world.

[@davewickstrom2855]

Shawn, your ethos, style and photography along with your story are a blessing. Thank you for sharing

[@cherrydowns7745]

Love the peaceful music with the video. Soothes right down to the soul.

[@marymcmanus]

This is great, back to being totally intrigued and mesmerized. I’m in my happy place. ❤️🐾

[@jeansplace1]

I adore that wonderful dog, sweet Cali....

[@rubyjools]

Cali knows something we don't & its hiding in the stones 👀

[@barrydeacon3551]

Watched all your videos Shawn. A lot more than once: the way you film the landscape, wildlife, streams, nature and your amazing wood building skills: leaves you breathless at times. Shop turning into a tiny living area.... Cali enjoying the spring air and her retrieves!! Always enjoyable to watch. Thanks for letting me tag along on your adventure 👍 B Deacon, Manitoba

[@PaavolanSigma]

This dude and his dog. 2 best things to see!

[@blobfish1112]

"Social distancing" with Kali was funny :)

[@colinbradford8126]

Hi there, good to see you and your dog are well and safe, and how is the rest of the family doing. Nice to see you working again I really injoy the videos of you doing stuff keep up the great work and be safe and well from colin bradford in the uk 🇬🇧 .

[@khcs3339]

샬롬 켈리~~ 오늘도 켈리는 나의 힐링입니다

[@Alice-jt1cd]

I could smell the moss, wet earth and branches ... so real - thank you.

[@NavinKumar-pf3bd]

I love 💔 the work shop which is compatible and suitable for living.The quality and the thickness of wood used will stands for many years . Thanks for providing a good Vedic sir

[@NarrowPathTraveler]

OMGOSH! LOL THAT T-shirt! Thanks for the giggles. So much truth there my friend!

[@sydneyevans2637]

Good morning to you Mr. James! Hope you have a great day!

[@vesnasuselrozman7659]

Yes here we go again. And be shure to see what he will do in a year. His energy and work just make me to build a compost toilet in the midle of our main city at the back of our yard. Amazing!!!

[@mariecreighton5222]

Shawn as well is helping us how to be safe while building smart man thankful beautiful views -🐾🐾Cali happy happy with dad 😊 start a fire many don’t no .? Priceless blessings hugs to the family 🤗🤗

[@Richie016]

Mid frest mushroom cabin build is a great idea to get a sleep in the woods.

[@emariaenterprises]

You have some lovely photography in here. Watching these is so relaxing. Thank you.

[@stevenwinfield1755]

Mr James, you sir are an inspiration to us all. I don't know if you are a tradesman or self taught, either way I stand in awe of your tenacity and get off our collective arses and just do it. Your dog is just brilliant, like his master.

[@dianejarmon9076]

With no help I'm am glad to see your using more modern tools. What ever helps.