SLIP TEST - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X S-AWC vs Lancer Ralliart AWC -

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Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X
vs
Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart
#duszaniespokojna #lancerevolution #ralliart

[@Trades46]

The AYC rear diff on the Evo makes it dance on a racetrack, but mechanical LSD seem to do better in low friction surfaces. Ironically, the cheaper Ralliart shines here.

[@l0stcluster2]

AYC in action when steering is not straight on.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

EVO: Center diff: Active hydraulic lock 50/50 (Active Center Differential - ACD) Front diff: Torsen Rear diff: Open (always!) with Active Yaw Control (AYC) RALLIART: Center diff: Active hydraulic lock 50/50 (Active Center Differential - ACD) Front diff: Torsen Rear diff: Mechanical LSD

[@seventhson4766]

EVO SST or MT? Ralliart CVT?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

EVO MT. Ralliart SST.

[@b.s.7693]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers thank you for the quick informations to the AWD systems

[@MustafaDiler]

Which is which?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@MustafaDiler Like in description - EVO goes first.

[@redacted5052]

This is by far the most under - subscribed channel on youtube. Keep up the amazing work!

[@Zerofightervi]

My old Evo IV was never struggling for traction in the snow, it was great fun being able to slide it about.

[@Tiagotaf]

This is the best awd test I've seen. I have a sportback ralliart, and I absolutely love it! Made some mods, engine, brakes, suspension, the car is a beast! It has the same rear diff from the evo 9, which I prefer, as it is simpler and easier maintenance wise. I daily it and race it sometimes. While the evo x is much more sophisticated, if you don't do serious racing or take it to gravel and snowy roads, it's just overkill technology. And I love the style of the sportback!

[@ALSPEHEIR]

Out of curiosity, how much power is your engine producing? Im thinking in buying one and tune the engine a little bit but Im concerned with reliability.

[@Tiagotaf]

@@ALSPEHEIR about 280whp. All aluminum custom tubing, evo x bov and ic, k&n inbox filter, high flow exhaust, ecu and sst tuning, eibach coils, lighter wheels, ceramic pads and high performance rotors for the brakes. You don't really need much more, the car is made as a tank, just a few upgrades and you have a very fun ride. Just make sure to change all the fluids often, and this car will make you happy for decades 😁

[@ALSPEHEIR]

@@Tiagotaf Thanks for the reply, bro. Just another thing. How is the transmission holding when doing track day. It is overheating or skipping gears???

[@Tiagotaf]

@@ALSPEHEIR I always drive it in manual mode, and when I track it, I'm always careful to not overheat it, driving one lap hard, one lap soft, and change the fluid every 5K km, instead of the 20K km Mitsu recommends. For road use, every 10K km. If you intend to do very hard driving, then you have to add an engine oil cooler, and upgrade the SST cooling system, otherwise it holds very well. Mine is a 2012, all maintenance done by myself at home since new. It now has 50K km, still drives the same way it left the dealer! These problems we read about the SST are from people who don't change the oil and filter very often. Buy a well maintained car, take good care of it, and it will be your friend for a very long time!

[@y.spycher]

RA has not the same diff as the 9. the 9 has alsow AWC like the Xer. The RA has a simply Torsen, and the others has torque vectoring.

[@martijnhoogesteger4466]

That Lancer Rallye art made it look so easy! But that Evo X sounds great! Good video as always 👍

[@beantownhero617]

the evo sounded like it was about to break after it got off the first roller ...ralliart was like ok whats next

[@roguetune03]

The RA handles like a brick compared to the Evo though real world. Just because its stronger in one aspect doesn't make it a better use case.

[@ComaPitchBlack]

Dobry i ciekawy Test :)

[@puchaczzpuszczy]

To są już niezłe jaja. Dzięki za film.

[@koswar482]

Oglądam te testy z dużym zainteresowaniem. Faktem jest że postę w przeniesienu napędu jaki się dokonuje jest ogromny. Pytaniem pozostaje tylko, czy mi to potrzebne?

[@arturatayants1666]

Well, Evo is made to be fast, not an off-roader. However, I'm pretty sure that the Evo X RS, that has rear mechanical LSD, just like the Ralliart, will cope with rollers better than the AYC version. And in professional hands I think the RS will be faster as well. Another thing this video proves is that Lancer Ralliart is a hidden gem!

[@bn880]

Ralliart is a great winter machine. :)

[@fred_jay2119]

I agree however the X is only faster when you compare it to the Ra stock to stock , but at the end both of them have the same tuning capability as they’re running by the 4b11T + SST

[@arturatayants1666]

@@fred_jay2119 that is true only for a straight line performance. Chassis wise EVO is on the next level and is way better on a race track. They're both great cars and I hope Mitsubishi will bring them back one day.

[@bn880]

@@arturatayants1666 The chassis is only a couple CM wider, you can swap suspension bits too as you do for any more serious stuff. It's the RS has a real advantage of lower weight. (the couple cm width of the Evo is mostly irrelevant until you go rallying and driving on very uneven terrain)

[@arturatayants1666]

@@bn880 it's not just a suspension. EVO has a higher body rigidity. You can't just swap suspension from an EVO into Ralliart and expect it to handle the same. Sorry but it looks like you don't know what you're talking about.

[@Jotomoz]

good channel in showing these tests

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Thank you.

[@Marbind]

Dislikes are EVOX owners/fans. Another reason to feel proud of your RA.

[@urhotmom]

X is not a real Evo. 4G>4B

[@TKRevRay971]

Thanks for this test!! My ralliart sportback gives me more confidence. Have you ever done an Evo 8? My Evo 8 has a front LSD I'm curious to know if it's as sturdy as the ralliart. The Evo 10 did eventually dig itself out on snow/gravel settings. 🤔

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Ralliart has the same front diff as Evo X, helical (torsen type). I don't know what's in Evo 8, never tested it.

[@davidboudreault1754]

Ralliart on what i saw have similar awd than the evo 8 with the lds

[@davidboudreault1754]

Lsd

[@justaname1862]

Great test...and the Ralliart is the winner with better traction

[@seventhson4766]

I am glad you are more and more active. Try to get new Mazda 3.

[@danielkimes8495]

For a final demonstration of S AWC putting rollers under 3 wheels would be great. It should be able to xfer power to the single grip tire to break free.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

We did that with Ralliart: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHzImaWCd7xnrrs

[@danielkimes8495]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers good videos, thanks. Was hoping it would get off though.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@danielkimes8495 Thanks. Ralliart and Evo are not designed for that, they're tuned for performance.

[@humanitarytest]

The test and explanations seem legit, although I swear I had no troubles moving my Evo when two wheels were up in the air diagonally. I probably need to record it to back up my words. Are you completely sure that AYC/ACD were working? Although, you say that they wouldn't help...

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

It would be nice to see Evo with two wheels in the air. Do you have version with ayc at the back or mechanical lsd? I am sure that everything was working, that's the car from BFG racing Poland, all data was recorded by computer. I didn't say that ACD wouldn't help, but AYC.

[@humanitarytest]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I've '10 JDM TC-SST with AYC. I'm planning on picking it up from the paint store next week and will try to find uneven V-shaped surface (I've no rollers here) to record a video. It's really strange that Jason (EngeneeringExplained) explained the theory, but there are no other video evidences of the actual tests (diagonal, there are plenty of cornering videos). Give me some time, please, I will get back with a proof of any of the points.

[@nicom6748]

Somebody loan duszaniespokojna a SH-AWD! Dying to see this :D

[@biotikmedia]

The old SH-AWD are more interesting, for it seems the new ones simply use clutches that slip different amounts to control torque for each wheel. The old ones use fancy gearing systems.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Here's SH-AWD : kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKTQoWeEe6ihY80

[@pulgamazzgst]

What would happen if Evo had a little "brake pedal" to put load at wheels ?

[@KaldekBoch]

That's a good point because that's what you're supposed to do with a torsen diff. Even a small amount of braking will cause it to lock up the diff.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@KaldekBoch It won't lock the diff (torsen can't lock), it will increase the amount of torque on the other wheel.

[@eyoy4revs]

Thats why its called Ralliart 😊

[@Gennadiy475]

Can u check the Kia Telluride. It’s a good looking car but we don’t know anything about Kia AWD

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Unfortunately it is not abailable in my country.

[@HyliasChosenOne]

This was an X MR right? I think there are differences with the 5 Speed a lot of people are missing here. My 2008 X GSR was stuck in thick wet mud once. Spun wheels forever until I turned off AYC/ASC. It rolled out of that wet mud as if the ground were dry. My 2015 GSR hasn't gotten stuck yet, but I'll come back to this if it ever does.

[@jrfrancis5]

Does the Outlander GT (non CVT) have the same AWD system as the Ralliart? What difference and similarities do they have? I'm shopping the better of the two for a better winter handling vehicle.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Outlander GT has the same awd system as standard Outlander but additionally it has active front differential.

[@jrfrancis5]

With the test on the Evo is it possible that the Active Yaw Control would send more power to the wheels that need it? Not sure if it's being used when it does not sense any G force or steering wheel angle.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@jrfrancis5 Active Yaw Control works during cornering when it actually overspeeds one of rear wheels. It doesn't work like lsd.

[@dafico]

on you're opinion what are the best AWD systems today?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Hard to say, there are traction awd systems, there are performance awd systems, there are mixes of both etc. It all depends on individual needs.

[@KaldekBoch]

At first I was surprised that the rear AYC differential didn't lock up the spinning wheel but then I remembered that AYC isn't specifically designed for this test and it takes a whole bunch of signals such as steering angle, yaw rate, and throttle position. Sitting still with the wheels pointing forward doesn't really factor in. I seem to recall another owner of a car with AYC tell me that you just need to yank the steering wheel left and right and it will lock up the rear diff and get you on your way.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

AYC cannot lock rear diff. It is and overspeeding diff, not locking.

[@l0stcluster2]

u r absolutely genius

[@biotikmedia]

I'm confused and surprised by the results. Clearly my understanding of the SAWC is still not very good. So the ACD simply splits off torque to front and rear differentials and can be locked or open. (Not sure if it offers degrees of slip between 0-100pc locking though.) 1. 0:47-2:17 For 2 wheels slipping on one side, why does the Evo not simply power through? The front differential is an LSD, so in theory the front should not slip, as one slipping front wheel could lock to the opposite side front wheel with traction. But then torque would simply travel through ACD to the rear AYC diff and be lost through the rear slipping wheel. The ACD could lock front diff to the rear AYC diff, but since AYC is open, the car would still effectively be propelled by the single front wheel? So I'm inclined to guess that this reflects a programmed behavior that is based on a physical design constraint, and I suppose this simply means the front LSD cannot sustain that much torque, so the Evo is programmed to behave as such. ??? This seems to be supported by the Ralliart's behavior, in which case the ACD could split torque 50/50 front rear through nonslipping wheels front and back, versus the Evo which would be sending all torque through that single, front wheel with grip. 2. For slipping wheels front/back opposite sides, behavior is same for Evo/Ralliart. So it seems the issue is that it all comes down to the fact that the rear is effectively an open differential and cannot lock at all. Another interpretation being that the issue could also be said that the front LSD is simply not durable enough (assuming my assumption in 1 is correct).

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

For slipping wheels front/back opposite sides, behavior is NOT the same for Evo/Ralliart. Ralliart doesn't have any problems with diagonal test, no problems with side test to because it has mechanical rear LSD. At front both cars have the same torsen-type (helical) diff, so this one cannot lock. ACD - in Ralliart it starts with center diff almost locked. In Evo it starts with center diff open. I don't know the reason for that but I think that's because Evo is much more powerfull, so during start front wheels spin may desired (not to drop the engine rpm so more power may go to rear wheels which are loaded due to weight distribution).

[@biotikmedia]

I agree, I was not clear. I meant when FrontL+FrontR or RearL+RearR both are slipping, only then does the behavior of Evo/Ralliart look the same. Main issue seems for Evo seems to occur when there is one wheel slipping in the front and back. The Ralliart's rear LSD seems to make a world of difference. And the front Torsen doesn't really seem to work well at limiting slip in the Evo when there is close to 0pc grip.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@biotikmedia That's just how torsen works. And that's why high power Evo owners change torsen and AYC diff for mechancal LSDs.

[@super_street_racer5094]

Ralliart in winter or daily. Evo for mods and track racing.

[@Ulthion]

Almost right. Problem is.. that in UK, ralliart is only in (stfu) sportback :(

[@bn880]

@@Ulthion Sportback is awesome though. More handy.

[@Ulthion]

@@bn880 Always will be more practical... but its all about looks. Shape of the ass is drama for me + no idea, why they change lights..instead of put exaclty same like in sedan. If you want practical car... you will not buy lancer - cos is not worth, its competition for focus mk2. You want practical car..you buiyng van of volvo xc90 mk1... but.. im just in love with lancer look - sedan ofcos :p

[@onizuka186]

I really thought that both cars have the exactly same ayc acd system.

[@malandvulamachawe6323]

The hatchback is effortless

[@TriMuXx]

Isn't the nature of the S-AWC in the Evo X to go based off of steering and throttle input too? Not JUST the ground conditions? Is there a video of the S-AWC graph when this test is being done? I bet if on some of those tests you had turned the steering wheel just a little bit, the S-AWC computer would start putting power to individual wheels unlike the always on mechanical LSDs on the Ralliart. Regardless, after seeing the title of the video I already knew that the Evo X would be successful in Snow Mode mostly. Tarmac Mode really isn't built for this kinda test anyway.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Entire Evo system isn't build for this test. That's a performance awd system, not traction. The last thing you want in this car is wheel braking ;) Steering input is crucial but it cooperates together with longitudinal and transverse forces. Front mechanical diff is the same in Ralliart and Evo, center diff is also the same (but differently tuned). Rear in Ralliart is lsd while in Evo it is actually open.

[@TriMuXx]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers open, but it's got an oil pump that pressurizes based on if the rear right tire, rear left tire, or both rear tires get power or not

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@TriMuXx Pump is to change internal gear and overspeed left or right wheel, no lsd function.

[@LosMt2]

Is there a Evo vs STI AWD roller test, have yet to seem one

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Unfortunately I can't find STI...

[@LosMt2]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers what about a WRX to test the basic AWD?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@LosMt2 Also no volunteers 😐

[@LosMt2]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers that sucks, every EVO and WRX/STI vs video talks about everything minus their AWD. Maybe one day but I would love to see how their drive train layouts affects their AWD for everything driving traction situations. I have a friend with an EVO and I've been looking at a WRX so maybe I'll be the first. I will let you know if it happens for some advise on the testing.

[@LosMt2]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers well i just bought a new 2020 WRX this sat

[@AlienMonkeyDXB]

There I was thinking my Evo X had awesome AWD... then I saw this video :-/

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

It has. 100% performance. Who cares about braking the wheels when you start, nonsense!

[@lukas_ls]

diff locks are good for this type of test. Torsen suffer a lot from low traction situation. The AYC won´t o a lot in the straight line. This AWD is all about speed - not traction

[@stalker0401984]

I drive evo x, but when i try ralliart i take a ralliart... better for everyday drivinig. Great car... Evo have more power and loud sound, but it can be borring. Just take bigger turbo with mainflod and exhaust in ralliart and you have a fast and funny car...

[@marlonm3]

Is it the same with 2017 awc lancer ??’

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

You mean standard Lancer? No, these two have completely different awd systems from the standard one.

[@headless7345]

Test the new vs the old subaru sti

[@Kyrazlan]

subaru will have no issue getting off the rollers even with 3 wheels on rollers.

[@super_street_racer5094]

@@Kyrazlan they cant be better than the ralliart in this vid so nothing new to bring to the table...

[@MeltingRubberZ28]

@@super_street_racer5094 an STI has three limited slip differentials. It doesn't get any better than that.

[@g1lv3]

reason?

[@briankrische3364]

Can you test a VW Golf R?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Yes, maybe even this weekend it will be tested (7th gen).

[@jaybee2614]

Correct me if im wrong but by locking certain wheels on the evo this emulates those wheels going through loss of traction and/or understeer through corners. The evo then transfers its power to the wheels on rollers and this is how the ayc is able to help power the car through corners more efficiently/giving the driver more control of the vehicle. When the ralliart is in similar conditions, it is more likely to understeer through corners due to consistent power to all wheels.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Center diff and front diff are the same in Evo and Ralliart. In Evo computer decides to start with center open while in Ralliart it starts with at least partly locked. Rear diffs are completely different. Ralliart has mechanical lsd while Evo has electronically controlled overspeeding diff. For example - in the left corner it can overspeed right rear wheel to reduce understeer.

[@JMReyes-hd4pk]

What kind of tires were used on each car?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

No information.

[@kaniaes]

pirelli trofeo r on evo 245/40R18

[@Liton999]

Wyniki są, jakie są, ale EVO nikt nie projektował z myślą o offroadzie ;-)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Wyniki są dokładnie takie, jakie powinny być w rajdowym samochodzie ;)

[@Liton999]

Pamiętam jeszcze jego premierę. I "recenzję" w Top Gear. EVO paliło zbyt wiele na mój gust, więc zastanawiałem się, czy nie brać standardowej wersji, ale wnętrze zdecydowanie nie zachęcało.

[@aftastosk6016]

Or td05 vs td04

[@fixanddrive]

I EVO zrobiło kupę na bocznych rolkach jak moja CR-V :)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Akurat z bocznych zjechało :) Nie ma to żadnego znaczenia, bo akurat ten układ tak właśnie ma działać.

[@user-lu1bm4jf9g]

Вот тебе и эвик

[@Not-famous]

Test please Hyundai genesis sedan (g80) Htrac

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

If I only find this car...

[@Not-famous]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers If you one day will be in Lithuania I will give it for you for test. Sometimes Im going to Poland (most often Suwalki or Augustow), so if you bee there we can meet too

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@Not-famous I live far away from Suwalki and Augustow, but maybe in August I will visit Masuria :)

[@Not-famous]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Visit Palanga/Klaipėda or /Nida ;) Then Vilnius not far away too :)

[@xboxice2005]

Oh boy the Evo let us down 😐

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Why do you think so?

[@xboxice2005]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers i thought the evo would have nailed it over the ralliart :) but i didn't realise the evo had an open front diff.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@xboxice2005 Front is torsen, rear is open. It is hard to expect from rally car that it will cut the engine power and brake the wheels during start 😉

[@pchromiec]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers so given we are comparing two relatively similar cars, and given that the rally art lancer has its driving train from an evo 9 (if I'm not mistaken), then you really dont think that the evo 10 did worse than the rally art lancer in this comparison? We are looking at the rollers test antho comparison and not some really, snow or what have you testing. Shouldn't the evo be superior in all? But yet you had to switch between tarmac, gravel, snow in hope that it will at least match the rally art. Please note, that I am also an evo fan. I had own some myself but this comparison you made, did make the evo look like it lost there. Even the time it took to come off the rollers was longer then the rally art lancer. I personally prefer quick responses, not delayed like the evo x. Cheers and keep up the good work.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@pchromiec Ralliart did better ONLY due to rear LSD. But lsd can't do things like AYC.

[@onlyyoutube6794]

все обратили внимание что на раллиарт за рулем пацан сидит лет 10

[@Piotrek843]

Comrade, it's my Ralliart, and on the right is sitting my 9 years old son ;)

[@AlDim000]

Well, that's pretty embarrassing for the Evo X...

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Not at all. Do you think that rally car should cut the power and brake the wheels during start?

[@AlDim000]

The Ralliart isn't breaking the wheels or cutting power here either, it simply has a different rear diff setup. Actually a lot of people who race the Evo X put an LSD in the rear because they find it more predictable.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@AlDim000 Yeap, I wrote it in some other comments that Ralliart was better here only due to rear mechanical diff. I also talked to the Evo owner, that's a fact that driver must know very well how this system works to get the best of it, otherwise it may be dangerous. I also had an opportunity to feel live (as a passanger) what ayc is doing.

[@urhotmom]

Do a video of a real EVO please

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

And what is real Evo?

[@urhotmom]

Anything prior to the 4B11? You know real Evos...

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@urhotmom They will be very similar to Ralliart.

[@ratibor3000]

bad result. Haldex 5 is better

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

These cars are not designed for traction but for performance.

[@Kyrazlan]

EVO is just acting like it has open diff front open diff middle and open diff rear. wtf is this

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Front is torsen, so it acts like open. Center is open, it is just slightly locking during such test (it gets fully locked on reverse). Rear is always open.

[@noipv4]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers For the EVO, will adding more throttle input, lock the center diff more and apply individual brake to the slipping wheels, to get out of a diagonal roller situation?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@noipv4 In order to pass diagonal test there is left/right brake intervention needed, locking of center diff probably wouldn't help.

[@noipv4]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers how does the Ralliart complete the diagonal test? Is there braking intervention on the Ralliart slipping wheels ? kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6LHZZuiqdiGbJI

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@noipv4 Ralliart has limited slip differential at the back.

[@spy9989]

Evo never win in the wrc , subaru is always win

[@sarornsom1531]

R u sure about that? U better do some in depth research , buddy

[@spy9989]

@@sarornsom1531 I've been doing research all for a long time ago

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

​@@spy9989​ Check 1998 for manufacturers title and 1996-1999 for drivers title.

[@zijie-he]

This is a pointless comparison. Nothing can exceed the principles of physics, without ayc kicked in, open differential will act just like this, same as lsd. And ayc won't kick in unless the steering wheel turns.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

You forgot about the traction control.

[@emanuelmontes6634]

minute 2:25 WTF!!!!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

What's not clear?

[@emanuelmontes6634]

yes, thank you so much

[@spy9989]

Mitsubishi All Wheel Drive is Bad , Subaru is Better

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Not at all. S-AWC from Evo X is probably the most advanced system ever.

[@BNRB26DETT]

The evo driver is useless, he should have give the steering wheel some input to activate the AYC. Turn right = more power to left rear wheel, Turn left = more power to right rear wheel, Push ASC just once to turn off traction control, preventing ecu from cutting power to the wheels when slipping. Don't push ASC more than 5 seconds, that will completely turn off the AYC brakes, no brakes = open diff.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Evo driver is a guy with rally license, in fact he knew the results before the test. You can do whatever you want with steering wheel, nothing will happen cause of no signal from g-sensor. And even if there was more power to rear wheel, nothing would happen to, diff still open. AYC brake isn't working to when there is no signal from g-sensor, brakes are used for yaw control, not traction control.

[@BNRB26DETT]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Point taken about the g-sensor. what happens to the LSD? seems like its not working or worn out?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@BNRB26DETT There is no LSD in EVO (except some versions without AYC).

[@BNRB26DETT]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I'm sure the GSR have helical lsd in the front and ayc in the back, while the RS doesn't have ayc but does have mechanical lsd for front and back.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@BNRB26DETT All versions have helical at front. Nothing it can do when there is no grip, that's a torsen type. Versions without AYC have mechanical lsd at the back, like Ralliart.

[@ginagiroux9029]

What a stupid comparison. Perhaps you should do wrx vs wrx sti lmfao

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Make some clever explanation why this comparison is stupid.

[@ginagiroux9029]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers for one the suspension is completely different as are there traction control system. They are the same car all but a few differencs. Ralliart has under 200 hp stock evo x has almost 300. I own a ralliart and have had an evo. Huge difference between the two stock. Stupid comparison between the same car but different trims. Better would have been wrx vs ralliart or wrx sti vs evo x.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@ginagiroux9029 This is not the test of suspension. Ralliart is actually 240 hp, but that is also not the test of engines. We look at the differences of awd systems and their behaviour, we do not see anything stupid about it. Comparison, not competiton.

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@@4x4.tests.on.rollers the test should also have been real world applacation not a few roller stands.

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@@ginagiroux9029 If you really don't get the idea of roller tests then further discussion is pointless. Regards.

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WTF?