SLIP TEST - Ford Focus RS AWD vs Volkswagen Golf R 4Motion -

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Toyota GR Yaris vs Ford Focus RS: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5y4foGqmNerjqM

[@Trades46]

The Focus RS left this world too soon...

[@jovandjukic5923]

Interesting Ford with spining rear wheel on the ground :) he needs someone on back seat :D nice test

[@MrGoro1990]

Golf too but less xD

[@jovandjukic5923]

@@MrGoro1990 What is your favourite system on this best channal?

[@saiiiiiii1]

Never seen that before. Would have passed the last one easily. Summer tyres in winter maybe?

[@1stWorldProblemsSolved]

The Focus RS has an extremely rigid chassis.

[@diggerbob8409]

Focus lepszy niż Volvo XC awd

[@toninocars]

Can you please test the new Yaris GR very interesting how will perform in all three modes ! Thanks a lot

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Soon 🙂

[@oceanzu6585]

These cars have really good traction control system. The problème on the 3wheels test are more due to lack of articulation

[@Bombaclock]

I love my mk3 RS,sick fun during snow and winter,and great fun on the track both summer and winter,and it's my daily

[@serhiy1237]

Thinking to buy one as only car and daily driver. How reliable/expensive to own is it?

[@robbinsed795]

@@serhiy1237 very reliable. never failed me. maintenance a bit more expensive than normal parts due to performance parts (breaks, etc)

[@deepakkv303]

Honestly the hardest parts are not speeding and gas/petrol prices. I'm testing a Stratified tune. On a good week I get 18 mpg (Premium is $5.09 where I live today). Great fun for a daily and I drive the hell out of it.

[@edu.g6082]

Ford focus has the quickest reaction time for AWD cars that I have ever seen, will definitely buy one 👌👌👌👌👌👌👌

[@funnybunnynyc]

It seems like ford is better. It was just no traction on back left wheel cos of sport weak tire protector.

[@Sajaia92]

Or probably too low articulations.

[@smithjones1906]

Whoa, another great test!

[@sachkf1501995]

I loved the Focus RS doing small burnouts!

[@thirstquencher3203]

Focus blew my mind!! Love it now I'm sold on buying an RS😁😁

[@RSKev]

Do it, just got mine nothing but smiles only regret is I didn’t get one new/sooner

[@Maxx8666]

@@RSKev me too. 4 year old ones are selling for same as brand new price lol.

[@JamPL]

Lepsze napedy niz w niektorych suvach. Swiat staje na glowie.

[@diggerbob8409]

Dokładnie 🤣

[@grzegorzapus3635]

W sumie to większość SUV nie ma takiego napedu

[@roskataqv]

The Focus has a stiff AF chassis but it won non the less.

[@serhiy1237]

Actually Focus passed the test much better than VW it’s just shortened springs that limited suspension travel and higher rollers that F it up. Rear wheel was basically in the air

[@avuazahc1966]

woooow. . . .what a great vid watching all the way here in South Africa

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Thanks! Our channel is full of these videos 😉 Greetings from Poland!

[@johnMpower]

Wow AWD system of ford RS works very well. It seems one of the best in the class.

[@faiken999]

Focus had the wheel on the parkingline. Line = very bad traction

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Yes, we noticed that after the test. But it was also spinning the wheel on the clear pavement during diagonal test, probably due to winter tyres.

[@ozkanugurcetin2842]

Great video man!!

[@klstrucker930419]

How much suspension travel does the focus have?

[@dogukancay]

Looks like there is no :D

[@Sajaia92]

Ford: - Suspension can travel?! O_O

[@guidodalla]

thank you very much for the test

[@apizzaparty]

Wow I’m impressed the vw got off the three wheel open rear one at the end. Very nice! I’m surprised the focus couldn’t do it

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Focus could do it easily. It was only missing grip.

[@ukuskota4106]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers So haldex is strong enough to send a lot of power to a one rear wheel? I mean does haldex clutch much stronger than rear diff of hyundai, mazda, toyota and so on?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@ukuskota4106 Haldex V is up to 3500 Nm. Unfortunately I don't the limits of Hyundai clutch-packs, they are also electro-hydraulic so can be similar. Toyota and Mazda are using the same clutch-packs, they have lower limits.

[@ukuskota4106]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thanks for the info

[@evgenyborodenko9004]

У фокуса алгоритмы полного привода лучше чем у кроссоверов) Focus has 4wd algorithms better than some crossovers)

[@valeriylampu146]

Потому что там трансмиссия GKN с тремя муфтами, там нет меожсевого и заднего межколесного диффа. Он может на одном заднем колесе ездить. Такая же трансмиссия стоит опционально на LR evoque

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@valeriylampu146 Focus RS has two clutch-packs, not three. Evoque has three, third one is inside the PTU at front.

[@valeriylampu146]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers да, Вы правы, на фф3РС нет переднего пакета, просто угловая передача

[@ukuskota4106]

@@valeriylampu146 Что за ГКН трансмиссия? она какая то особо легендарная или известная? где еще ставится кроме Эвока?

[@dogukancay]

Have you ever tried the other mods on focus rs? If you done, how was the difference comparing to normal or race mode on the test condition?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

We tried only Normal and Drift modes.

[@Mike01211]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Why drift mode?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@Mike01211 To check if traction control is active or totally disengaged.

[@tunacay4407]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers So, what do you think about it? Is it completely off in drift mode?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@tunacay4407 Nope, traction control remains active. ESP is off.

[@fronklin1]

Классный тест! Может быть подложить ровную площадку под последнее колесо чтобы не пробуксовывало? Или фанеру.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Thanks! Maybe next time we'll try on summer tyres so they won't slip 🙂

[@ukuskota4106]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers may be sway bar is to stiff? what if dismount a swaybar link?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@ukuskota4106 It was about the tyres and paint on the ground.

[@chucka187]

With a different spring rate on the rs I think this would be different. Overall not surprised.

[@Mistio.]

I own a MK3 NB RS and I saw what it can do in snow and ice. Nice test thanks for posting ! Did it not kick out with drift mode on the 3 rollers?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Thanks! We didn't try the last test on 3 rollers cause car was already slipping on pavement and sliding off the rollers. Maybe we will repeat the test on summer tyres.

[@ThomMurphy]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers test a RS with factory LSD. See if you can find a RS with modified RDU and test against modified VW.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@ThomMurphy What factory lsd?

[@ThomMurphy]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers the Quaife, that some came with up front...

[@lukas_ls]

Interesting result for the Focus. Is that the stock suspension? Seems like the suspension travel is too short. Maybe you could put something below the tires. That is more like a suspension than drivetrain test.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Stock. I think there would be no problem on summer tyres.

[@ThomMurphy]

Right? Level them both out!

[@marcinobodzinski232]

Uuu widzę, że te rolki to ładnie trzymają

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Dokładnie tak, to nie tak łatwy test jakby się mogło wydawać.

[@Merom3k]

Czy możesz wyjaśnić zastosowane typy napędów użyte w obu samochodach?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Ford Focus RS - Twinster. VW Golf R - Haldex.

[@tomekkat6081]

WOW, nie myślałem że te kompaktowe dołączane napędy 4x4 są tak sprawne, one nie wiele różnią się od napędów 4x4 typu Quattro, 4matic, xdrive, subaru , a ceny tych aut są duuuużo wyższe. PS. czy napęd 4x4 od VW w mniej sportowych wersjach silnikowych czym się różni od tego z Gofra R czy Audi S3/RS3? nie pytam o Forda bo napęd 4x4 jest tylko w RS. A odnośnie Foki, to widać że albo opony nie wyrabiają albo za wysokie najazdy, bo tylne koła się kręcą mimo że nie ma rolek, tak jak by gumy nie mogły złapać przyczepności (może ma za mały prześwit i koło ledwo co dotykało ziemi).

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Sportowe wersje mają agresywniejszy soft dla haldexa, z tego co pamiętam, to była wzmianka o tym na stronach Audi. Co do Focusa - sztywne zawieszenie, zimowa opona, kostka i jeszcze koło stał na białej linii - dlatego tak mielił, na letnich pewnie byłoby łatwiej.

[@metaldesign6589]

Focus ma strasznie sztywne zawieszenie. Tylne koo też lubi się oderwać w zakręcie. Mam ST mk3 gti 7 nie ma staru do foki

[@anengineer_]

​@@metaldesign6589 Ja mam FF MK3 2012 1.6 TDCi i w zakrętach robi robotę, jak ten samochód się prowadzi! Bajunia 😁 Pozdr 🇵🇱

[@TheDealer6373]

It's similar because it all gets outsourced to the same company. Audi and ford both work with gkn.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

​@@TheDealer6373 Nope, in this case VAG uses BorgWarner.

[@jayenriquez3727]

Moral of this keep the golf R in race mode always for better traction

[@ricric3025]

G R E A T C O N T E N T ! ! ! Thanks guys. Keep the videos coming. Great to see 4wd road cars on the rollers too

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Thanks!

[@bzykolo1985]

Meskie zabawki! Men's toys!

[@MrGoro1990]

Ten śmiech w tle xD

[@Mo13488]

Typowa reakcja na markę "Ford " :)

[@MrGoro1990]

@@Mo13488 Chciałbyś mieć takiego Forda 😎 napęd lepszy niż nie jeden suv

[@Mo13488]

@@MrGoro1990 Cenie sobie jakość, komfort, przyjemnosc z jazdy napęd 4x4 staly i trochę renomy. Nic z tych rzeczy nie ma ford. To jest badziew niestety a szczególnie silniki które robią. Więc nie. Nie chciałbym mieć takiego forda. Zadnego Forda.

[@David-eq5ok]

Can you please test this generation Ford Explorer and last generation. They switched to rear wheel drive biased I would like to see the effect.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

All up to volunteers.

[@Josip8899]

I guess that Golf R don't have stock suspension on it (it's much lower than RS) which gives him lower center of gravity and better traction at rear wheel. It you watch RS it have very high rear end.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Lower center of gravity doesn't change a weight. Actually it is making things worse cause wheels are going up when car is lifted on rollers.

[@Josip8899]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers but you have to admitt if there is lower center of gravity, coilover/suspension isn't expanded to it max lenght, which means car have more traction at that specific wheel, right? That should be correct I guess

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@Josip8899 It depends how much suspension travel it has. Lower suspension in Golf causes that there is no load on the wheel. Just like in RS.

[@OPTIMUSPRIME_ONEPRIME]

Фокусу тупо не хватило ходов подвески Да и к тому же, задние редуктора у них с гольфом совершенно разные

[@antr20.]

Try revers drive. Most Asian suv don't move revers if front wheels on rollers

[@Drzeq]

Ford had it left rear tyre on the white line which is always much more slippery than regular surface. I bet it'd handle the task if it had a regular surface.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

....or summer tyres. Notice that it was also spinning the wheel on the clear pavement.

[@Jay0346]

Can you do a video with launch control on the rollers?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

That would be... A hit.

[@octaviangeorge5455]

The golf R haldex is stock?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Stock.

[@MzwandileHarmans]

RS 👌🏼

[@13Ук]

When focus last exercise , need start from thrid gear

[@audiwankenobi361]

Yes! The VW made it off the rollers on the last test! It WON!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Result is basically the same. Both cars had problems with grip, not with power distribution. AWD system in RS is much more advanced than in Golf.

[@audiwankenobi361]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Trust me I understand all that but the RS didn't make it off the rollers on the last test but the VW did.... I'm a VW FANBOY so yeah. 👍😁!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@audiwankenobi361 OK, so you should know that the newest 4Motion system in R models (Golf, Tiguan, Arteon) is a clone of Focus RS awd system 😉

[@audiwankenobi361]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Lies!!!! LOL!

[@pokest225]

@@audiwankenobi361 it's true. It's the same kind of system. Rear clutch packs and drift mode. The only difference is the manufacturer of the system. But they're virtually identical.

[@grymasek7]

Fajny patent z tymi kropkami na oponach

[@piciu256]

Impressive

[@saimadhav9898]

What is the drivetrain on that Focus?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Torque vectoring on rear axle (Twinster from GKN Driveline).

[@saimadhav9898]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Do you have any videos on ESP system working with differentials and power transmission?? Like how the power is channeled when ESP is on/off. Thanks:)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@saimadhav9898 Actually that's in majority of my videos, tests with ESP ON and OFF 🙂

[@ThomMurphy]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers full off, held down 8ish seconds (on the Ford)?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@ThomMurphy We didn't try, we need traction control on during the test.

[@tomasashenafi882]

1st vs 2nd vs 2.5 gen crvs please? 👌

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

So far we have only 3rd, 4th and 5th gens of CR-V.

[@tomasashenafi882]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers i saw that. Pretty cool. Im wondering what difference the VSA makes. I also dont know if the 2007 has Vsa or Esp. Also Did the HRV have ABS?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@tomasashenafi882 3rd gen from our test had VSA (ESP). I don't know if HR-V had ABS but it didn't have any traction system like TC/ESP/EDL/VSA etc.

[@tomasashenafi882]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollersthe HRV vs forester video made me question the importance of traction control going offroad. But that subaru year and model is famous for offroading.

[@playmak7216]

Golf❤

[@sanOkification]

Ford ЛУЧШИЙ!!!

[@unexplainedwearenotalone3537]

Nice ford.

[@Liris777]

Both pass perfectly 👌

[@saiiiiiii1]

Focus was a lot better tbh

[@tfiresmith01]

Not really. The open diff in the back kills the Haldex system. Even electronically controlling the brakes to simulate an electronica LSD is not doing well with for motion and Quattro systems. I own both for motion and Quattro Haldex systems. 2019 and 2020

[@MarcraM82]

Test a golf r that's not had suspension modified.

[@andreagallorini6489]

Why not "sport" in RS?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Cause AWD and ESC works the same as in Normal mode.

[@piotr3072]

Czyli ford lepiej reaguje na brak przyczepnosci nisz golf 🤔

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Ford ma bardziej zaawansowany układ AWD. Dopiero najnowszy Golf R ma taki rodzaj układu, jak Focus RS.

[@krebgurfson5732]

the volkswagen driver was attempting to "win" by steering left and right and rocking the vehicle. Kind of defeats the purpose of objectively comparing 2 systems.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Nope, it is exactly the opposite: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWLQdqSvip5-etE

[@mateuszkozik1166]

Nie da sie wygrac na rolce z focusem rs, nawet najlepszą terenówką, bo jest tam prototypowe odwrócone EsP które zamiast blokować moc na kole w poślizgu dodaje moc na przeciwległym kole

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Na przedniej osi jest otwarty dyfer, więc działa standardowa kontrola trakcji. Na tylnej osi każde koło napędzane jest niezależnie sprzęgłem, więc kontrola trakcji poprzez układ hamulcowy nie ma zastosowania. Terenówka z blokadami dyfrów przechodzi taki test dużo łatwiej.

[@mateuszkozik1166]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers czytalem specyfikacje i bylo napisane ze esp dziala odwrotnie niz standardowe, wiem ze Wy macie duzo wieksza wiedze ale to byl artykul dziennikarza duzej gazety, to w koncu jak jest z tym esp?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@mateuszkozik1166 Przede wszystkim ESP nie ma zastosowania w tym teście. ESP to układ reagujący przy podsterowności lub nadsterowności. W tym przypadku obydwa układy będą współpracować, np. w przypadku poślizgu podsterownego układ przyhamuje tylne wewnętrzne koło i nadpędzi zewnętrzne.

[@An.Individual]

Both cars good for off roading 😀

[@toninocars]

Actually better than many softroaders 😂🤭👍

[@DDuck777]

Rip transfer box.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

No problems with that.

[@KDH5010]

Naklejeczki, te żółte kropki na oponach Focusa- przydały by się na każdym testowanym samochodzie, u Golfa mało widać.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Od pewnego czasu są na każdym, Golf testowany był wcześniej.

[@RomaHere]

Ошибка организаторов в том, что Фокус стоял на скользкой разделительной линии. Из-за этого не смог съехать с роликов даже при 4-х вращающихся колёсах.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Yeap, we didn't notice that during the test.

[@poligrafpoligrafov3498]

Фокус явно лучше чем Гольф

[@andrzejzukowski9375]

chcialel ppo moc alqlq zle trafiłem

[@velxso7418]

Mesma fita

[@5ohh112]

New crossovers fail in these tests badly and awd hatchbacks like these do just fine. Yet people keep buying more and more of those wobly, cheap, ugly pieces of crap... so sad.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Actually majority of new crossovers can pass these tests.

[@5ohh112]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Some NEW crossovers sure, especialy plug in hybrids, but these cars are 5 years old already. Looking back at Qashqai, ASX, X3, etc. from that era they didnt do as well. My point is that people with basic to no knowledge usually own such a crossovers. But they never realize that those cars are more prone to flipping due to higher center of gravity, because of that also dont turn as well, they are barely more practical since mostly they are just on lifted hatchback chassis and to make them look bigger they have bigger panels and bumpers resulting in heavier car which increases fuel economy. They are also powered by the same engines that manufacturer puts in hatchbacks.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@5ohh112 So far only one PHEV did well (Peugeot). Other PHEV and especially HEV completely failed. I never made a list but I would say that overall 50% of gas suvs pass all tests, and if we look at last 5-6 years - that will be more. Flipping is not an issue as all of these cars are equipped with ESP. Some SUV/crossovers are even more stable in mosse tests than hatchbacks or sedans.

[@averagedriving3979]

That focus needs a gripper tires

[@1989rs500]

Focus is slightly better than Golf

[@emem2756]

Both pretty weak, where are real diff locks?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Rather both very good. And why would you need diff locks in these cars?

[@fimiskar4932]

Focus has no rear diff at all)) It has a rear reducer and a clutch for each wheel)

[@myslecinaczej8674]

Both are pathetic with all these drive modes which do not do much. At least in this test. Does the Golf R use the Haldex? If so Volvo implementation is so much better constantly showing it's capability in this test.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

These modes change a lot during driving, especially in Focus RS, complete change of characteristics from fwd to rwd. Golf R uses haldex, however the newest one (2021) gets the same type of awd system as Focus RS. In these tests both cars had problems with grip, not with power distribution.