SLIP TEST - Subaru Legacy / Outback S-AWD vs Bmw E46 4WD -

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Test on rollers:
Subaru Legacy / Outback 2.0 AT S-AWD (2005)
vs
Bmw E46 330xi MT 4x4 (2003)
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[@stormdancer1910]

It's interesting to see how much AWD systems have changed over the years... espacially the software.

[@FIRST465]

true

[@4G12]

The extremely rear biased nature of the BMW is very apparent, seemingly running on a completely open centre diff. The Subaru's AWD system is much more symmetrical. Both would seriously benefit from effective LSD on both front and rear axles.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

This Subaru awd system is very fwd biased 🙂

[@headless7345]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers isn't it 50/50 all time

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@headless7345 No, not this one. It has automatic transmission with ACT-4 awd system.

[@headless7345]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers so only the manual transmission version is 50/50 ?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@headless7345 Yes, only manuals have 50/50 (viscous coupling).

[@flamingoaviation]

Thanks for this. Very revealing of their capabilities..

[@Alexdj44]

Передавайте нашу благодарность камрадам,предоставившим свои авто на тест! И вам тоже спасибо :)

[@SPQR_GuiGui]

My dream daily driver is a lifted outback with locking front and rear diffs...! Pretty sure it would overcome anything !😍

[@gmacgully]

No lockers but I do have a lifted 07 outback xt.

[@allenseferagic8247]

I have a lifted outback with method wheels and all terrain tires it’s the best all season daily ever.

[@stoyanstoyanov5784]

My outback is an automatic with torsen rear diff and VTD center diff - nothing like it!

[@dimitarivanov465]

​@@stoyanstoyanov5784задния торсен допълнително ли си го слагал? Също така с Н6 мотор ли е твоето Субару? Аз карам В12 2.0 автоматик и отделно Трибека, в леки препятствия дори и В12-ката се представя добрe, но съм и с нови зимни гуми на нея. Трибеката е с някакви всесезонни и честно казано не ми вдъхва доверие нито на сняг, нито на сух асфалтов път. Дори веднъж в пресен пухкав сняг на трибеката започна да и свети VDC-то и да ми реже газта, докато легасито си мина без проблеми

[@Neutrino33]

So, Legacy has some sort of central LSD but lacks the front and rear lim. slip diffs....a bit disappointing. How about a material about some AWD systems used by different brands with the differences between models and years within one brand...and how to recognise the differences.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

This Legacy has clutch-pack shifting power from front to back. Front and rear differentials are open. When it comes material about awd systems - we will do it in the future 🙂

[@nicom4996]

the bmw is 1 wheel drive...

[@maxgr7723]

Impressive showcase of the e46 transfercase that Acts like an open diff...I love to see what it would do with a wavetrac in the rear and a second combination with a wavetrac in the rear and a quaife in the Front....yes the 3 open diff Layout has ist cons and some few pros...what really made me Wonder, was that the adbx didn't Brake the wheels much....

[@avangard_33]

В те лохматые времена, электронные системы ещё не так классно работали как сейчас.

[@Mr...anyquestionse]

Конкретно в этом видео Субару пустышка а ВМW с ее X-драйвом понадобилось еще некоторое время чтоб доработать алгоритмы работы системы именно на бездорожье,так как изначально ее разрабатывали для лучшего скоростного выхода с поворотов. Согласен с вами,нынешние технологии шагнули далеко вперед,но и в том лохматом году уже применялись достойные разработки. 2005 год у Инфинити и Акуры уже полноценно работали имитации межколесные и межосевые.

[@Артем-ш9к8б]

@@Mr...anyquestionse на Ланкастере 2001 с системой вдс тоже все уже хорошо работало,тут вообще легась без имитаций!

[@Athiril]

Any tests with the outback 3.0r 2005-2008? They’re supposed to have VTD/VDC

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Not yet, so far only 2007 Forester: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpKxlGCHhcSIirc kzbin.info/www/bejne/npmlfWShgaiBb7s

[@drfasser]

​​@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Where are you? can give my OB 2005 3.0r for a test

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

​@@drfasserPoland. Check this out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXqulWaBrKp0mqc

[@drfasser]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Ok, testing is probably covered. Anyways, if interested in the mentioned car, meeting somewhere in central Poland is possible

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@drfasser Sure. Is it automatic transmission?

[@MultiBobix]

Aż oczy bolą oglądając 😉

[@babarich9267]

4wd 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 lol

[@Mr...anyquestionse]

Что то не впечатлил хдрайв от бемеве. А субару без блоков и есп вообще как нива из 1977 года никуда не едет.

[@Salgssjef]

посмотрите блогера z drive у него с трёх! роликов выскочил за пару секунд v60

[@b.s.7693]

It would be nice to see a manual transmission legacy next time 😉 (Want to see if it behaves like mine, i have made roller tests too)

[@martinsvensson6884]

Yes, it will behave exactly like yours or yours will behave exactly as the other one, if its the same model and none of your cars are faulty.

[@mujjuman]

i used to have 2003 330xi manual too I miss my E46

[@strahilpatrov6339]

super

[@vilmantasv.7363]

Idrive bmw .not xdrive

[@fredharvey2720]

Weird. I've seen newer Subarus come off that no problem

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

It depends on model...

[@Иванов-ч9х]

А где здесь outback клоуны? Обычный легась да ещё 2.0 овощ.

[@jongbak1106]

это старый субарик. У меня аутбек 2006 3л и он тоже при диагонале крутит свободные колеса. Это сейчас добавили имитацийй и она нормально распределяет момент. Прогресс на лицо как говориться

[@Иванов-ч9х]

@@jongbak1106 У меня у друга 3,0 2005.jdmЕсть самоблок и имитация.

[@Артем-ш9к8б]

@@jongbak1106 у вас коробка тз1,а на тв1 все уже есть и было!

[@МаксимГорбунов-ч3у]

@@Артем-ш9к8б на японском 3.0 ауте стоит tg5

[@МаксимГорбунов-ч3у]

@@Иванов-ч9х у меня аут 2003 года, 3.0, японец. Есть абсолютно все - от имитации до блокировки в редукторах

[@FabianWrx]

Ależ to Legacy ładnie wygląda! No nie mogę się napatrzeć :D

[@alexanderkorpach8286]

Jednak znajdą się ludzie, którzy powiedzą że kiedyś było lepiej / Однако найдутся люди, которые скажут, что когда-то было лучше)))

[@snowbaord]

dramat

[@cichy_youtuber1038]

nie sądziłem że subaru padnie już przy dwóch rolkach, jak widać to nie jest jednak stałe 4x4

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Stałe, ale przód i tył ma otwarte dyfry, brak kontroli trakcji.

[@cichy_youtuber1038]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers zastanawiałem się miedzy audi a4 b7 z quattro a właśnie subaru legasy ale filmach wychodzi że to to samo

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@cichy_youtuber1038 W przypadku Subaru dużą różnicę robi skrzynia biegów, od niej zależy rodzaj napędu na cztery koła. Istotne jest też, czy ma kontrolę trakcji (przypuszczam, że B7 ma ją już w standardzie).

[@sking2173]

Not very good ...

[@ШонДжон]

Это легаси а не аутбэк, прежде чем делать видео хоть разберитесь в характеристиках машин🤦🏻‍♂️

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Title says Legacy/Outback as it's basically the same car.

[@ШонДжон]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers практически,но не совсем.У аутбэка задний редуктор с блокировкой Lsd.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@ШонДжон Not every version.

[@ШонДжон]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers теряется смысл этого теста так как без блокировки толку нет

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@ШонДжон Is it? Here are two Foresters with rear lsd: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fneZlmmJl9mKn80

[@hackso1]

I think that something is wrong with that BMW E46. Why the Xdrive did not ensure turning a front wheel all the time when a rear one was rotating?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

That is not xDrive but previous system. Front wheel is probably stopped by brakes.

[@martinsvensson6884]

The whole purpose of the system is to stop wheels from spinning... that's why its NOT turning. The correct question should instead be... why is that rear wheel turning.

[@maghnaurs2686]

👍

[@evgen6430]

BMW👎👎👎

[@wiciuwiciu2783]

On second and third example, with only one side and "cross" side slipping, apply a handbrake gently. It will make harder for one wheel to spin, so more torque would be distributed to the wheel that has a grip. It's "Limited slip for pool people" xD Works great on Subaru, because of that disc-drum brakes, with drum only for handbrake. But should work on every car with MANUAL handbrake and RWD USE WITH CAUTION! It's a delicate tip :P (from Australian offoaders!)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

We tried that in a few tests - didn't work.

[@wiciuwiciu2783]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers maby rollers are too "brutal" for that ;) On sand traps it was a little bit of help in my offroader.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@wiciuwiciu2783 Possible 🙂

[@midnighthoon788]

can´t wait to see how the new Subaru Levorg (new Impreza Wagon) will do in your test!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

All up to volunteers :)

[@midnighthoon788]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I would be the first if I had the money! I am a big Scooby fan

[@kristoffer3000]

@@midnighthoon788 RIP wallet lol

[@_Redu]

I have seen Legacy finding enough traction to push even with three wheels on the rollers. Is this a standard Subaru Legacy..?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Standard without VDC. VDC is necessary to pass more tests than you can see here.

[@georgeniculescu2242]

this video seems weird, compared to every other Subaru video on rollers, this is the only one that has underperformed.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@georgeniculescu2242 There's nothing weird, that's how open differentials work.

[@georgeniculescu2242]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Actually. It is weird because in every other roller test, Subaru passes with flying colours when three wheels have no friction, even uphill. They got around this open differential issue by something called VDC, where sensors monitor wheel spin laterally, and apply different braking pressure to wheels that spin to redistribute torque to the sides that have traction. Did you disable it or something. This is the only video I could find where Subaru fails the 1 wheel traction test. So something suspect is going on here.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@georgeniculescu2242 This car wasn't equipped with VDC so it couldn't pass lateral, diagonal or three roller tests. Just like these Foresters: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fneZlmmJl9mKn80

[@JARECKOWIAK]

Mam wrażenie jakby w E46 nie zadziałał ADB? To był manual czy automat?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Musiał zadziałać, inaczej samochód nie zjechał by z rolek pod przednią i tylną osią. Manual.

[@JARECKOWIAK]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers no przecież nie zjechał, 3:16. ADB z tego co rozumiem hamuje na danej osi koło które nie ma przyczepności żeby dyferencjał skierował moment obrotowy na drugie koło? A może źle rozumiem. 3 lata jeżdżę takim 325xi w automacie, ale trafiam na śliską nawierzchnię na tyle rzadko, że nie miałem okazji tego dobrze przetestować

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@JARECKOWIAK 3:16 to test po przekątnej. Ja pisałem o teście z przednią lub tylną osią na rolkach. Całą osią, nie jednym kole z każdej osi. E46 ma otwarty centralny dyfer, wygląda na to, że ADB działa względnie skutecznie pomiędzy osiami, a bardzo kiepsko pomiędzy lewymi a prawymi kołami.

[@JARECKOWIAK]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers rozumiem, myślałem właśnie że ADB działa tylko między lewą a prawą. Myślałem też że tylna oś zawsze dostaje 62% momentu, a przednia 38%, ale wygląda na to że jednak jest to dynamicznie rozdzielane

[@JARECKOWIAK]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers "The transfer case (not a "center differential") on the E46/16 (awd) is a New Venture NV124 with SOLID gear-to-gear mesh like a 4x4 truck. Unlike other manufacturers that use viscous couplers, BMW chose to run a very stout unit that never fails to deliver torque (always split 38%/62% via planetary gears) to the front and rear (open) differentials. The reason that the front wheels aren't subject to "cupping" in turns like a 4x4 with a locked transfer case is also due to the planetary gears/open front diff. " Znalezione w internecie, jeżeli tam jest przekładania planetarna to faktycznie nie ma mowy o żadnym centralnym dyfrze

[@oczkoo1534]

Szkoda, że Legacy nie H6 z VTD i szperą z tyłu, byłoby o wiele lepiej ;)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

W teście braku przyczepności jednej osi byłoby tak samo, albo i gorzej :) Lepiej mogłoby być w testach bocznym i po przekątnej, zależy jak mocna jest ta szpera i czy wersje z VTD miały VDC.

[@pietropugliese]

Subaru😎

[@Mr...anyquestionse]

Hello. Bmw e 46 twice on the channel. Please Please Please let you show us the Atessa ETS by NISSAN-INFINITI. FOR EXAMPLE FIRST AND SECOND GENERATION S50 VS S51 FX35

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Hello, recently we tested Infiniti Q50 with one of Atessa systems, video in December!

[@bartomiejtopsecret554]

Subaru trochę lepiej, ale i tak słabo bez systemu ESP. Masz 4x4 a na otwartych dyfrach i tak tylko dwa koła kręcą..brakuje tego dohamowywania

[@wojciechl352]

Dobrze, że między osiami jakoś spięte jest bo inaczej to jak BMW by było. Podejrzewam, że jakaś wiskoza siedzi w Subaru między osiami.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@wojciechl352 Napęd osi tylnej odprowadzony od osi przedniej poprzez elektronicznie sterowane sprzęgło wielotarczowe.

[@wojciechl352]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers ja mam w takiej budzie tylko 3.0 i z tego co wiem u mnie jakaś sporych rozmiarów wiskoza w skrzyni siedzi (AT 5 biegów)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@wojciechl352 Jeżeli masz 5EAT to prawdopodobnie będziesz miał centralny dyfer (45/55) ze sprzęgłem spinającym, sterowanym elektronicznie. Zapraszam na test, sprawdzimy :)

[@wojciechl352]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers będziecie w Warszawie to dajcie znać

[@mrle0719]

Do you know what AWD system a subaru levorg 1.6 with the CVT has ?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

It has ACT-4.

[@danieldandoslav5201]

Fwd with clutch connected rear, something like haldex

[@b.s.7693]

The official name is * "active torque split" * . You find a lot information via google for this term. All Subarus with CVT got this.

[@b.s.7693]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers no, this is the system for the old 4-speed-AT. The newer system that comes with CVT is similar but not the same. Its called *active torque split* (brand name)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@b.s.7693 ACT-4 name is still in use, you can find it on Subaru websites as well as ATS. That is basically still the same awd system, shifting power from front to back via multiplate clutch-pack.

[@ThePotOwl]

watching this hurts me inside i had to stop after 2:00

[@MrBrzosti1989]

Zacznijmy od tego że to nie Outback tylko legacy IV ...

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

W zasadzie to ten sam samochód :)

[@lubomirchmura6147]

Outback has higher level of traction. In many cases 2,5 have locking of rear differential. Outbacks with the 6 valves H6 engines and 5AT has also locking of front diff.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@lubomirchmura6147 I've never heard about stock locking of rear or especially front differentials...

[@lubomirchmura6147]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers your tests are perfect and I like them. In this comment you are playing with words instead of understanding of my comment. Generally cars with higher level of trim or engine (not only Subaru) have more better awd and driving performance as same type with lower trim level (engine, transmission). This is friendly comment. Continue with your testing

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@lubomirchmura6147 I'm afraid you didn't understand my reply :) You wrote that some Outbacks have rear locking differentials or front locking differentials. I never ever heard about such diffs in Outbacks. If you have any source of that information - link it please. And thanks for watching!

[@nikitos7134]

Which year forester/outback start getting limited slip differential? is it the system that will move power between sides and help on these roller tests? thank you these tests are showing real abilities of the cars!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

I don't know any specific rule for LSD in Subaru cars, that's kind of roundabout. Side-to-side LSDs in Subaru are usually not set for complete lock abilities so they are not able to overcome such situations. But VDC does great job.

[@myslecinaczej8674]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers the only Subaru with mechanical LSD is the STI. The rest just uses visco coupling (or plate clutches) between FWD and RWD axels and open differentials. Instead of LSD they use eLSD so braking. You can search for it on the Engineering Explained channel.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@myslecinaczej8674 That's now. I was referring to Subaru cars in general, they used many types of lsd diffs, especially at rear axle.

[@martinsvensson6884]

@@myslecinaczej8674 you mean "...eLSD AND braking". Because an eLSD has nothing to do with the brakes....