SLIP TEST - Volvo XC70 - V70 XC AWD vs Audi A6 C5 Allroad -

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Volvo XC70 2.4T AT AWD (2001)
vs
Audi A6 Allroad 2.7T MT Quattro (2003)
#duszaniespokojna #volvoxc70 #audiallroad

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Volvo XC70 2007 vs 2001: haldex vs visco - kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZnIn5Wblsunb5I Photo sent by the owner of 2001 - this car for sure has viscous coupling: facebook.com/StacjaKontroliTrakcji/posts/1181163429028508

[@CharlieKPoland]

Damn ! I had thi 2001 model and did not know it was so big difference vs 2007 model... till I think that Haldex 3 rocks ! Have in Outlander II. Making god job. Really.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@CharlieKPoland Outlander II doesn't use haldex but electromagnetic coupling.

[@john958]

The thing about the Torsen center differential is that it generates a locking torque proportional to the drive torque only within the locking range of the differential. As the locking range for the Torsen Type A center differential on this allroad is from 77/23-23/77 (approx. 3.5:1 torque bias ratio on both axles as this is a symmetrical center diff), we should already know that the Torsen will not get the car off the rollers (with either front or rear wheels on rollers) by itself as at least 23% of the drive force must be supported by the axle with the lower coefficient of friction. We also know that the coefficient of friction on the rollers is essentially zero as no drive torque can be supported. Additional deceleration will need to be applied by the EDL control in the form of brake application until the force applied equals the amount the gearbox output torque exceeds the locking range of the differential (since the entire usable drive force needs to be supported by only one axle). So in this case, 23% of the drive torque would have to be wasted to lock up the differential and 77% would be available for forward propulsion. Additionally, the literature from Audi states that the Torsen diff will not transfer drive torque to the tractive axle in the event that the opposite axle is raised off the ground or on a surface with near 0 friction coefficient. The purpose of the Torsen differential is to reduce the frequency of required EDL activation in normal driving on slick surfaces, not to deal with the worst case scenario depicted in this video. With that said, all of the above is not a criticism of the Audi Quattro system as I know that the system works well in the real world. My only reason for mentioning the facts stated above is to remind people that no road going vehicle without diff locks will make it off 3 rollers without intervention from EDL (or whatever the respective manufacturer refers to EDL as). So before anyone comments that the Quattro system is crap, we should remember that the mechanical parts of road going AWD systems for the most part are not capable of coping with the worst case scenario (the 3 wheel slip test) without electronic intervention. Consequently, it is really the programming of the traction control system that determines how a vehicle will cope in the 3 wheel test. And also remember that a manufacturer should not program their ESC to simply perform well in the 3 wheel test as they must take into account allowable slip values. Programming the system to be too aggressive could also cause tire scrub, increased tire and brake wear, as well increased brake temperature, and drivetrain windup in extreme circumstances. Lastly, as ESC is relatively new and both of these vehicles are older, we should not expect them to perform as well as newer vehicles since programming of ESC was not as sophisticated when these vehicles were manufactured.

[@user-yq7wt4se7j]

Что лучше для плохих дорог, Ауди или Вольво?

[@alexandru.g8746]

@@user-yq7wt4se7j just get a 1.9 TDI quattro and you ll be good for a milennia with it as long as you keep it in a warm garage so cold starts aren t a problem

[@emils5528]

I have a xc70. Its a absolutly beast in off road

[@sursomsatan1225]

Tyst Emil

[@user-yt1lc9oz2q]

These are some of the most informative videos on the AWD system. Thank you! I would also like to see Scoda Octavia Scout (2004-2012), I know that there are not so many of them) Your videos help me make the right choice!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Thanks!

[@bacek798]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers what is ur fav 4x4 system from last 30 yrs?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@bacek798 I don't have favourite but S-AWC from Lancer Evolution X is probably the one I would like to have.

[@saiiiiiii1]

Had an XC90 a few years ago. Was a blast to drive in snow👍

[@Lee-eu6wf]

How reliable was the car, I know the Audi is awful with suspension problems

[@bybykkaservis1927]

Например?

[@bobmusick]

Having owned an allroad and seeing what Quattro used to be it makes me so sad that they nerfed the system. This video pretty much sums up my driving experience with it. When not flummoxed it was great but even a little slippage and you’re done (sans having good tires in certain situations). I adored everything about it but if I were to get another I would definitely love to retrofit some older locking diff system to it cause how can you tout having “legendary awd” when this clearly shows otherwise.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Thanks for sharing the opinion!

[@austinado16]

100% This is just embarrassing for a once, industry leading AWD system. I owned a '95 A6 Quattro Avant, and it was amazing in the snow. It was the last year of the manually lockable rear differential.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

​@@austinado16But the only difference between '95 A6 and the Allroad above is rear diff lock instead of EDL. The rest of the system is the same.

[@austinado16]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I didn't know that. Thanks. I was thinking my '95 had a better type center Torsen differential.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@austinado16 Actually torsen could have been different, A in your A6 and B in Allroad above but I am not sure about it as B debuted in 1994. Anyway, it doesn't make much difference, slightly different TBR between A & B.

[@bartzed4305]

guess I'll stick to volvos then

[@feralbii]

Volvo en vehículos el mejor del mundo, saludos y bendiciones desde Guatemala

[@zlatkojanosevic4199]

Love my XC 70 D5 AWD❤️💪

[@Alejandro-sv1yl]

I only comment to support your video, your videos are very good and useful

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Thank you!

[@Motardebase.]

Great job!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Thank you!

[@IacopoRusconi]

Volvo XC70 the best Off road wagon ever!

[@ntwalipat2]

💯💯💯

[@Alex-Lybimchik]

Не пиши бред...

[@user-qf9xz1yw9f]

Только volvo 👍

[@fundriver1599]

Поддерживаю

[@ostapb5888]

Точняк!

[@user-ql3iz5od9h]

Не всё однозначно! Водитель один на обеих авто?! Резина одинаковая?! Год выпуска и пробег с износом похожий?! Ауди с торсеном топ! По мне Вольво - аскетичная неспешная баржа, Ауди -молодежная пушка гонка!

[@Trololon1]

@@user-ql3iz5od9h выше комент на англицком о том что в старых вульвах задняя блокировка бывает

[@maxi5784]

Great work you guys…..best on the net

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Thanks!

[@ollson6269]

Not what i expected!

[@seventhson3228]

Great job Dusza! Would be interesting if you could reach some old 405, Escort, Audi 80 or other car from the 90s and compare it with something newer.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Thanks! I am trying to find some older cars but it ain't easy...

[@vertex944gt3]

Audi is 4x4 TORSEN system, Volvo is AWD haldex which means permanent front drive, and rear drive added when needed. AWD is not 4x4.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@vertex944gt3 There's rather viscous coupling in Volvo, we will check that soon.

[@DIY-Mark-3]

I regret selling my 01 V70-CC that car is king. But I do believe the Audi AWD is more advanced over Volvo. I now own XC60 T6 and V60-CC

[@Get_evreiv_z_Ukrainu]

круто!

[@stevehoulihan726]

And I thought Audi's quattro was the king! I've got an XC70 like this and I'm dying to try it out in snow. I really hope my Haldex works!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

This one doesn't have haldex but viscous coupling. Newer ones have haldex: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZnIn5Wblsunb5I

[@driftology]

The torsen in the audi only works if there is some resistance on the wheels without traction. In this generation the tc was programmed around use of that center torsen. The system relied on the fact that it could mechanically lock itself. The rollers don't provide enough resistance for the torsen to work. The system works great in slow but struggled on ice in my experience of owning one.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@driftology Torsen cannot lock itself mechanically. Here's how it works: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i53ReHpqm9eNbJo

[@driftology]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers sorry I should have said torque split. Either way it doesn't work well with some resistance on both ends of it. My mazda with a torsen rear diff use to get stuck if one of the rear wheels lifted off the ground when going up a drive way. Applying the brakes slightly would help the car move.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@driftology Yes, torsen is rather a handling helper but it suffers when the difference of grip between the wheels (or axles) exceeds its TBR.

[@nitinbhugun2181]

Hi, can you do the 2006 2007 xc70? They have an better generation haldex. Thank you

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Coming soon 🙂

[@mvl85lvm]

This looks already as a facelift XC70, so with new awd, instead of visco

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@mvl85lvm Here's a photo sent by the owner - this car has viscous coupling: facebook.com/StacjaKontroliTrakcji/posts/1181163429028508 It could have been facelifted privately.

[@LawatheMEid]

Any tests for volvo xc70 last model 2016? Thanks.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Unfortunately we didn't find one yet.

[@warphonesS22]

I love my Xc70 seeing this makes me wanna somehow weld the rear diff.

[@alexandru.g8746]

you can buy a haldex controler which pretty much does the same thing

[@warphonesS22]

@@alexandru.g8746 mind blown!

[@JoRMasteri]

Older V70 XC has diff lock in rear axle.

[@volvoripr9980]

Like the p80 model?

[@eetukorhone]

@@volvoripr9980 Yep! Might be in these older p2 v70xc's with viscous awd also.

[@motogodlech834]

Old Audi A6 too.

[@jamesgeorge4874]

Unfortunately this isn't an actual road condition. "Climbing" up a two inch high roller, is not the same as encountering snow, or ice. To be more realistic, the rollers need to be the same level as the pavement. Also 01, 02 V70XC models have a viscous coupler that transfers the power from the angle gear, to the rear diff, but they do not have a limited slip in the differential case. 03 and up XC70 use a Haldex unit.

[@GERntleMAN]

Never had problems getting through deep snow, driving on changing surfaces with ice and snow or having control over the car with quattro. Problems only arise, where you need to be really slow and have the most unfortunate conditions possible.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

That's actually what this test shows.

[@smiff1995]

I can't tell if ESP does anything on the allroad. Does it perform better with it on or off?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

For the most difficult challenge it is better to turn it off.

[@smiff1995]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thank you. Good to know.

[@kalmer159]

As I see from the description, the audi is manual transmission? In this case, did You switch on the low range from the gear lever? This also alters the EDL functioning and lowers the max permissable wheel speed difference by approx x10 at low speeds.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@kalmer159 It wasn't equipped with low range.

[@moeschizlac]

What type of brand tires and sizes do the Volvo and Audi both use?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

I have no information.

[@moeschizlac]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers That's fine. I just wanted to know if the type of tires would affect the outcome of the test that's why I asked.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@moeschizlac As long as tyres do not slip on pavement - they do not influence the test.

[@thebearoftheforest8294]

Team Volvo nice job guys please other test Volvo S60 or S40

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

We're not Team Volvo but here are other tests of Volvo cars: kzbin.info/aero/PL_d2bK7PR7yyflPwp3fKlqv9DGICTHafE

[@josephsierzengaIV]

VOLVO XC70 awd ALL DAY LONG!!

[@josephsierzengaIV]

💯

[@user-rs7fj4km4t]

Volvo xc70

[@thecarsectionthecarsection6420]

No awd systems are great, so if you live where it snow have a shovel and if you off road have some rope.

[@vitaliimarushchak3335]

Mam auto skoda octavia 2 scout. Mieszkam w Krakowie.Duszniespokojna.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Jeśli to możliwe to proszę o kontakt przez Facebooka. W Krakowie będziemy po wakacjach, ale w najbliższą sobotę planujemy być w Tarnowie - zapraszamy.

[@vitaliimarushchak3335]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Niestety nie mam Facebook ale ma moja żona.Do zabachenia po wakacjach.Pozdrawiam.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@vitaliimarushchak3335 OK, będziemy w kontakcie, pozdrawiamy!

[@arturgrams9189]

I've once heard that one should apply the brakes slightly whilst accelerating with Torsen-AWD in order to make it work properly. Is there any truth to that, or is it just false information? Additionally, do you know which sort of AWD that Volvo has? Thanks in advance :)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Brake trick should help in cars with no TC/EDL etc. These systems should do that instead of driver. However - we tried that in Audi V8 with rear torsen differential - it didn't help: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iGKTo2Zva7GUntE We also tried that in Toyota Rav4 - didn't help neihter: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4GcaZyEdseojKs PS. Volvo uses viscous coupling or haldex - that is to be checked today :)

[@arturgrams9189]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thanks for your help :)

[@FarmerPrzodowy]

In Volvo you will find Haldex AWD. In this model 4 generation I think

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@FarmerPrzodowy Car is from 2001. Haldex 4 was introduced in 2008.

[@FarmerPrzodowy]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers i would never think that old Haldex would do such a great job

[@pipimontana]

Audi Allroad - 3WD

[@witekboro5479]

Mam XC70:)

[@wooytus]

mam i ja ;)

[@witekboro5479]

@@wooytus 2007 185 ps 185 tys najechane:)

[@muslumanadam8711]

volvo

[@andriistebelskyi8308]

Хто за,що. А за за АUDI !!!

[@pompolini9825]

Quattro 😎

[@123wilhelm]

Volvo 👍

[@enedenedubedene4811]

Der Audi ist durch das Torsendifferential klar im Nachteil, das ist bekannt.Wenn an einer Achse fast kein Gripp vorhanden ist, hat das Torsendifferential grosse Probleme.👆👆👆👆 Viele Grüsse aus Germany

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Greetings from Poland!

[@whitefreeman5798]

well now we know.. neither of them are actually awd or 4x4.. thank you for your time invested in making this informative video

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Actually they're both awd :)

[@Starnerdz]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers - Some people think the only real awd are Subaru's where all wheels turn systematically.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@Starnerdz Well, they have to learn a lot...

[@Shuffler131]

Did just Haldex beat Torsen?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

This car doesn't have haldex but viscous coupling: facebook.com/StacjaKontroliTrakcji/posts/1181163429028508

[@michsaw90]

Ciekawe, żeby postawić tam audi wyposażone w fajne przyciski przy skrzyni biegów ;) dla podpowiedzi - "low range" ;)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Ciężko znaleźć taki egzemplarz...

[@lacike767]

Land Rover Freelander 2 with Terrain Response please 🙏

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

All up to volunteers...

[@lacike767]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers 👍

[@AVC-Works]

Is that Quattro okay?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Yes.

[@Timodon1]

And 1980 the Quatro came out and then they start driving rallye, and Volvo not had an chance! But times are different now! Now Volvo wins,,,,,,,,or?Im happy with my Stinger GT! :)

[@hotstucominthru]

Have xc90 and xc70. I cant go back to anything else. Thats it. Im spoiled for life.

[@lodowskigroup6282]

Rzeszow?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Zgadza się.

[@nachynonnyi]

Субару нужно было с ними поставить, было бы интереснее смотреть.

[@asak6943]

Есть видео на канале

[@therucha]

Nah selling my Volvo, it all depends on what haldex unit is in your car And that Quattro should be handling things better Well the TT Quattro has haldex

[@yurijp.707]

In V70 XC there is no haldex. :)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@yurijp.707 Correct, there's viscous coupling: facebook.com/StacjaKontroliTrakcji/posts/1181163429028508

[@user-zw8qv6xv6z]

Давай тоже самое с ХС70-P3 и Subaru или AUDI

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Check our channel, there are tens of Subaru and Audi tests.

[@user-zw8qv6xv6z]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers согласен, но мне XC70 -P3. интересен (у меня ХС70- 2015)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@user-zw8qv6xv6z Unfortunately there was no volunteer with XC70 P3 yet. But on Friday we will publish the test of 2007 XC70 with haldex 3, that will be interesting!

[@user-ep3pc6hi4v]

Чет хс 70 не видел ни разу на бездорожье, а аудюхи кватровые и субаиики сколько угодно, и на равне с джипами выползают, но это на практике. А кого здесь это волнует?)

[@Perekup_KZ_09]

Мне кажется Вольво покупает другой контингент и не изза этого ее покупают

[@theblitz1687]

7:16 damn is that the highest position? such a big difference

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

We used only two settings - normal and the highest.

[@theblitz1687]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers would the lowest be standart height or lower than that?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@theblitz1687 Edit: standard is not the lowest, you can go 2 up and 1 down from normal level.

[@theblitz1687]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers cool to know ty

[@KM-hc6pf]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers standard level for Allroad is 2nd called normal level (ground clearance 167mm). 1st called low level ( ground clearance 142mm). You can find details of this suspension system in SSP 243

[@keithjoiner517]

way different tires

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Tires do not influence the test.

[@R3Dband10]

It's a good thing that cars aren't designed to be put on rollers huh? My A6 smokes my friends volvo xc90 SuV in the snow. Her car is basically just front wheel drive. Trash. She bought and A4 after riding in my Audis

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Tests on rollers vs real world situations: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2OZmmOwptmYjqc Interpretation of roller tests results: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKXbmHmglr1sfq8

[@robertkazimierski7972]

Teraz wiem dlaczego jak jest jakiś filmik jak to audi quattro radzi sobie to zawsze audi jedzie na pełnej wiksie

[@doktorx2157]

Starsze systemy quattro mowa o torsenie wcale nie są takie dobre jedynie plusem jest ich bezawaryjność bo są proste w budowie i mechaniczne ale za to napędy typu haldex czy xdrive są o wiele bardziej skuteczne (inteligentne).

[@deepforcegrafika3782]

Mam xc90 i naprawdę ten napęd może nie jest trwały ale jeżeli sprawny to robi robotę zwłaszcza na śniegu :)

[@diggerbob8409]

@@deepforcegrafika3782 tak jest

[@Alex-Lybimchik]

@@doktorx2157 Вы реально не знаете ничего о quattro от audi...вот вам урок о стареньких audi quattro kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqnIoWuHaNd0f7s

[@matthewyang2792]

Why does your channel not have Acura and their sh-awd?

[@vampyrelycan99]

The Acura brand is not being marketed in Europe, so no such vehicles available for testing

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@vampyrelycan99 Exactly. There are people in Europe which own Acura cars but so far nobody wanted to test the car.

[@matthewyang2792]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers ohh I see. Acura has a really great awd system. Was hoping to see it tested on here

[@adkus4985]

You can try to get someone with newer honda legend and test it. It has got the same awd system as Acura as Acura is Honda after all.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@adkus4985 We are trying...

[@user-du3zk3gz5w]

audi !!!!

[@marguskaron3387]

Audi Allroad differential or torsen make bad sound, like one of them worn out.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

You can't hear torsen here, you can hear the rollers.

[@SteveSmith-ll8pp]

Is there a point to this you never mentioned?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

I don't understand your question.

[@user-tx6xi7ce8c]

Халдекс рулит!!!

[@Alex7746b]

Не только халдекс а реальная имитация блокировок.

[@railroadworker4071]

На этой вольво стоит вяскомуфта

[@rockymarciano5223]

@@railroadworker4071 там халдекс,вискомуфта на предыдущем кузове

[@railroadworker4071]

@@rockymarciano5223 не было предыдущего кузова у хс70, этот кузов выпускался с 2001 по 2007, в видео дорест до 2004 года, ставили вяскомуфта, после рейсталинга 2004 халдекс

[@rockymarciano5223]

@@railroadworker4071 на v70 до 2000 года ставилась вискомуфта,может первая версия xc типа 2001 года шла с виской,но у меня была 2004 там халдекс был, сейчас v70r awd 98, там виска

[@MRrgd5]

Враньё про AUDI. Там есть кнопка DIFF... почему не используют ??

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

It's 2003, there's no diff lock. So we are not lying, you just don't have enough knowledge for argumentative comment.

[@babinovlifestyle]

когда автор размотал комментатора 😂

[@MRrgd5]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers У меня был такой авто, C5 Allroad 2.5 BAU diesel и 2002 год, там была блокировка с помощью этой кнопки. Вот поэтому спросил))

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@MRrgd5 It couldn't have been original, some added it. Audi stopped using diff lockers in mid 90's.

[@peekaboo4390]

Volvo is king.

[@zenonas7941]

Video for Volvo. Allroad best in class. Quattro is better the Halldex.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

There is no haldex here.

[@zenonas7941]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Quattro ( it is torsions) have only Audi. Audi patent Quattro and Volkswagen not have torsion, but Halldex. Volvo have Halldex. Halldex was born in Sweden. On snow way it is really test. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIPTdXWwe6t8Z8k

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@Zenonas Not torsions but TORSEN and not halldex but HALDEX. Audi has torsen and haldex, Volkswagen also has torsen and haldex. Torsen isn't patented by Audi. Volvo in my test has VISCOUS COUPLING, not haldex. The video you linked is the most manipulated marketing video ever, every driver who has ever driven the car on snow sees that.

[@zenonas7941]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I'm sorry , my English is bad.😞 I'm from Lithuania. Torsion principle is not patented bay Audi, but patented Quattro system.I 10 year's works in Audi center Mioler in Vilnius. Your can named Halldex, or any other name, but principal is electronic. Not mechanical. Yes, new Audi have haldex.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@zenonas7941 There's nothing unique in quattro systems, they are using the same solutions as other manufacturers, including torsen. New Audi have haldex, old Audi have haldex to - they are using it since 1998 so that;s already 23 years.

[@vitoskalleta3458]

Этот тест полная чепуха. Audi делает вещи на бездорожье.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

This test is not about offroad.

[@KanzerSuze]

Tylko dlaczego volvo zawsze ruszało powoli, a audi na pełnym gazie 🤣 wtedy wiadomo kto prędzej wyjedzie. Mam już 3 audi i każdą w quattro i jeszcze ani razu się nie zawiodłem na tym napędzie 😉

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Volvo ruszało zarówno delikatnie, jak i trochę mocniej. Audi nie na pełnym gazie, tylko jak w mocniejszych podejściach Volvo, na niskich obrotach EDL nie reaguje.

[@Zodirchik]

Загнать Audi и Volvo в грязь, у Volvo отключится муфта от перегрева , а у Audi такого не случиться . По факту у Audi не убиваемый полный привод. Нужно просто уметь им пользоваться

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

This Volvo has viscous coupling, mechanical system which doesn't disengage.

[@Zodirchik]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers i have had the Audi quattro and Volvo and i mean that Audi on the mud best them Volvo but on light off Road Volvo not bad the car.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@Zodirchik Sure I understand. Just pointed out that that this is pre-haldex Volvo so the system doesn't disengage.

[@sergiuturcanu88]

audi allroad e de vrio 3 feluri si nu vad bampere si e mai ridicata .care are 2 diferenteale torsona .plus blachirovca si inca ars

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

The only Audi in history which had two torsen differentials was Audi V8 with manual transmission.

[@zemetrasvelicizny7541]

Quattro Hahaha 🤣🤣🤣

[@runepedersenDK]

Suzi Quatro - standing in the same spot, making a lot of noise 😉

[@user-pj7xp1bx3l]

the video shows that Volvo has larger wheels than Audi

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Original wheels. No serious influence for the test.

[@QwertyRant]

С трудом вериться что это audi,

[@theblitz1687]

is it possible for you to edit your videos shorter? I dont want to see the car going up the rollers everytime. But if its long to get more money from youtube, then its okay

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Nope. It has nothing to do with money. We are showing that we do not use any tricks or cheat.

[@theblitz1687]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers i think it would be obvious its on rollers when car starts accelerating, plus u got side camera too. I just feel like its a tad long, i always try to skip those parts but then miss the start of acceleration and have to go back ;d anyways not much of an issue sorry for rant

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@theblitz1687 No problem 🙂 You know the tests but many people don't. Besides my videos are probably one of the shortest anyway 🙂

[@nikolayrayanov2895]

Just watch in x2

[@vertex944gt3]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers na przyszlosc taka mala rada. nie odpowiadaj na takie debilne wpisy o debilnych zyczeniach.

[@kubakubek1791]

Haldex 1 generacji w grupie vag pokazuje że torsen to gowno

[@sebastianradwanski6607]

Jak widac quattro jest mocno przereklamowane

[@sebastianradwanski6607]

@Igor quattro to juz nie tylko torsen bo w prostrzych wersjach jest montowany haldex wiec reszte robi elektronika

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@sebastianradwanski6607 Haldex jest nie tyle w prostszych wersjach, co w mniejszych modelach, czyli poniżej A4.

[@jareknn3028]

Nie wiem czemu tu tak wypadło audi, ale miałem A6 C5 quatto i dużo lepiej sobie radziła. Teraz mam S60 AWD i nadrabia ASR . Po za tym haldex jest sprzęgłem, więc odpowiada tylko za dołączenie tyłu

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@jareknn3028 Wypadło standardowo dla samochodów Audi z tamtych lat, wyposażonych w pierwszą generację ESP/EDL.

[@doktorx2157]

@Igor Dokładnie jak napisałeś głównym plusem to bezawaryjność ale napędy ze sprzęgłem i dobrą elektroniką są skuteczniejsze dzięki temu lepiej rozdzielają moc na poszczególne koła co daje lepszą trakcję, dlatego audi quattro kolejne generacje posiadają również sprzęgła.

[@DoubleTimeRC]

So pretty much the c5 Allroad sucks?! Lol

[@MrEspek]

Quattro without quattro? WTF audi?

[@kuleshov313]

Была у меня такая вольво 2007г и ауди была 2002 такая. Так вот друзья без всяких тестов скажу, зимой когда снег, лёд резко если хочешь поехать на вольво трогаешся как на трамвае, а на ауди жаришь как положено. Вот и весь тест.... Да и по всем остальным моментам, вольво мягко говоря не дотягивает. Г....но одним словом это вольво. Только ауди ✌️

[@NoLuckProFiT]

Очень странная ауди , буксуют передние колёса а задние не крутятся, при том что тут постоянный полный привод, межосевой торсен.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

That's how torsen works.

[@NoLuckProFiT]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers is very strange. I have it differently

[@raivorudus1070]

feik video, audi owner dont drive slowy, he accerirate to hard, If do the same with Volvo, result will be identical.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Audi driver must accelerate harder, otherwise EDL doesn't wotk at all. Volvo driver doesn't need to accelerate hard cause TC kicks in right away.

[@arturadamczyk2137]

Volvo lepszy po tym jak zaczolem okladac twój kanał to widze ze co niektóre marki aut sa przereklamowane

[@pawex84]

I do tego dość spora różnica. Ja jestem zaskoczony ze Audi tak słabo.

[@djkorki89]

Musisz wiedzieć też o tym, że napędy w autach osobowych nie są projektowane do jazdy terenowej. Auta te też są wiekowe i nic nam nie wiadomo o stanie technicznym tych napędów.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@djkorki89 Gdyby testowany był jeden samochód, to można by było mieć wątpliwości, ale testowane były dziesiątki aut, więc można zauważyć podobieństwa dotyczące działania napędów danych marek czy modeli.

[@djkorki89]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Zgadzam się tylko nikt nie projektuje auta osobowego o niskim prześwicie z zamysłem jazdy terenowej. Zastosowanie jest inne i wystarczające.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@djkorki89 Oczywiście, nikt tu nie twierdzi, że jest inaczej.

[@Krzysztof_88]

No niestety taki test nie przekłada się na faktyczne zdolności w trudnym terenie. Quattro to stały napęd. Na rolkach może i wygląda głupio, ale to nie jest naturalne środowisko samochodu. Swoją drogą spore znaczenie ma tutaj silnik - czy przypadkiem Volvo nie było w dieslu, a Audi w benzynie? Diesel ma większy moment obrotowy z dołu, haldexa i agresywniejsze systemy ASR i ESP. Może i na rolkach się sprawdza, ale w praktyce w ciężkim śniegu Volvo będzie płużyło, a Audi będzie jechało.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Testy na rolkach vs rzeczywiste sytuacje: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2OZmmOwptmYjqc Interpretacja wyników testów na rolkach: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKXbmHmglr1sfq8 Silniki jak w intro i opisie: Audi 2.7T benzyna, Volvo 2.4T benzyna. Volvo nie ma haldexa tylko sprzęgło wiskotyczne.

[@tsnaha]

Quattro....lololol

[@halimirowskiej]

W wieku tych dwóch aut, dobra jest tylko... whisky. Ja jeżdżę, 2018 4Runnerem z przebiegiem 87K mil( mieszkam w NY) i od nowości, są tylko okresowe przeglądy...

[@filipbartoszuk8070]

Właśnie auta w tym wieku są najlepsze.

[@heyahhoo2757]

O chuju zloty. Musial wszystkim powiedziec ze mieszka w hameryce i jezdzi toyota

[@Christian-wp1ku]

Audi; go home.

[@vovarii]

Жига рулит)))

[@csongorbajzath9804]

Volvo won

[@koslajda1202]

Kto porównuje napęd mechaniczny do napędu elektronicznego głupota-.-"

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Po pierwsze - obydwa są mechaniczne. Po drugie - głupotą może być porównanie identycznych, a nie różnych napędów.

[@gamebuster800]

why's the audi doing so bad? i cant imagine it came out of the factory that way, something must be broken

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Nothing is broken, that's standard result for Audi cars from those years with first generation of EDL combined with ESP. Here's another example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gonPl4OcaL18btk

[@zovebetazov4728]

Ауди Кватро рулит, тест пиздешь!!!! Ольво гомно!!!!

[@suyuanxie8022]

I just don't get it. Why Volvo don't like longtudinal engine, transversal engine AWD sometimes makes Chinese sick.

[@szittyakurt]

More room for passengers, better wieght distribution, more crumple zone in an accident, better cooling of the engine.

[@Taganskii]

После такие роликов к вашим тестам нет доверия. Взяли самый ушатанный аллрод в мире у которого вместо торсена глилой арбуз. Противно смотреть на такое, особенно если учесть то что являюсь владельцем такого же аллрода, только прлностью технически исправного и поведение у него совершенно другое. Теперь все ваши тесты для меня под большим сомнением, а репутация это то что теряется на раз-два

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Everything is OK with the car, everything is OK with torsen. If you think that torsen is broken then apparently you don't know how torsen works, this may help: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i53ReHpqm9eNbJo Other thing is EDL, especially the one combined with ESP - it works this way, you can see in many Audi cars from that period. And it works much better in new Audi's like Allroad C8: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZDTq5J4fK2MmKs

[@vladimirstukalo2754]

Полностью согласен, у меня правда с6 кузов но в реале даже на на подьемнике все 4 колеса вращаются с одинаковой скоростью, здесь електроника совсем не помогает

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@vladimirstukalo2754 When the car is on the lift then all wheels rotate at the same speed cause all wheels have no resistance. That's completely different situation.

[@Taganskii]

@@vladimirstukalo2754 у меня и с6 аллрод есть и с ним тоже все отлично, электроника справляется отлично в любой ситуации. А на видео как будто у машины тормозные колодки стерты в ноль, потому что никакого подтормаживания не происходит. У казахов автоблогеров был крутой тест и там аллроды всех дернули, и волв и субарей

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@Taganskii Brakes are working, there is braking, otherwise car would fail lateral, diagonal and one axle tests. Braking is enough for situation when two wheels are missing traction but it is not enough for situation when three wheels are missing traction. It is first generation of EDL combined with ESP and it is not as good as later generations. Check the A4 B6 and Passat B5 with the same system, they are even worse: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gonPl4OcaL18btk But A4 B5 only with EDL (no ESP) is better: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZOXhn6Mod1ki9E And A4 B7 with newer generation of EDL/ESP is also better: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eX_FfYJ3hbCrhrc

[@antonfloor344]

Within 2 minutes you know Audi is gonna lose.....again. So you want the most useless 4wd car well....buy an Audi.

[@vampyrelycan99]

The technological bottleneck back in those years meant ESP/TCS implementation on 4WD systems was still on infancy, but that Audi still substituted real diffs with EDLs... Had Audi kept the front/rear LSDs and let them work in conjunction with the EDL then the test results could've been a lot different......

[@An.Individual]

@@AlbertArrabal Thanks for your input world greatest comedian

[@averagedriving3979]

Weak statement, The mean things about roller test is their traction control system NOT 4WD/AWD system. Audi traction control system has improved a lot since early 2000s and no smart people will buy a 2005 audi. Shows either You are not smart, or you just hate Audi, or both.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@averagedriving3979 That's not entirely correct. First torque split goes through center diff or clutch-pack, in many cases without traction control intervention. The next step are front and rear diffs and then traction control.

[@fiddibelow]

Well thats just not true i have the exact same audi as used here and it gets up where most orher cars dont so Theres a difference beetwen reality and rollers here

[@viktor4533]

Xc haldex 👍👍👍👍A6 torsen👎👎👎

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

This XC is rather visco.

[@luigivm]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Sure? Though Visco was used just on the first Gen V70`s and in the second one used Haldex Gen 2 and later Gen 3.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@luigivm No, I am not sure. Many sources and may people say it is visco, many say it is haldex. That's why we will check under the car what's really there.

[@JMaksym]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Here you go kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKDWY4aLlL5lodk&ab_channel=ProfesorChris

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@JMaksym There's no info about year of production which is crucial.

[@MartinsKolosa]

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