Small aircraft Inflight break up due to Turbulence (FATAL Crash!)

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@aquacat4point1 5 ай бұрын

No aircraft heavy or light is immune from extreme turbulence. Thunderstorms demand respect

@Flight_Follower 5 ай бұрын

Exactly 👍

@dutchflats 5 ай бұрын

Amen brother!

@paulis7319 5 ай бұрын

Turbulence ripping off the wings is always my biggest fear when flying a small plane in bumpy air. That's why keep it well below maneuvering speed when the bumps are moderate or stronger.

@Flight_Follower 5 ай бұрын

Yeah. Agree. For small airplanes, it's the biggest fear

@paulis7319 5 ай бұрын

@@Flight_Follower Several years ago I was taxiing back in after the last flight of the day, and the maintenance guy flagged me down and directed me to stop. He shook the wing and noticed one of the wing bolts was loose (only three holding it in a PA-25) and he said the wing was shaking while I was taxiing. That was the scariest moment of my career! I demanded the boss give me a week off, paid, for the emotional trauma of knowing a few more minutes of being airborne woulda killed me.

@Flight_Follower 5 ай бұрын

OMG 😳 that must have been terrifying..i am sure you will forever remain grateful to that maintenance guy!!! Fly safe!!

@jhue73 5 ай бұрын

i didnt think small planes where that fragile.

@tmustard 5 ай бұрын

@@jhue73 Most of the smaller pipers (Arrows, Archers, Cherokees) use 1/4" long bolts to attach the actual wing ribbing to the aircraft frame.....It seems crazy, but less weight=mor powr

@redbird444 5 ай бұрын

Most likely it wasn’t the turbulence that “ripped the wings off”, it was loss of control due to turbulence and pilot-induced over-stress of the airframe.

@Flight_Follower 5 ай бұрын

As per the investigation report

@davenehilla9610 5 ай бұрын

Bingo.

@AlbertHess-xy7ky 4 ай бұрын

Duh.

@AlbertHess-xy7ky 4 ай бұрын

Duh

@Cokie907 3 ай бұрын

@@Flight_FollowerNo shit Sherlock.

@thomastucker5686 5 ай бұрын

ATC; "Look, the weather here currently is shit. If you have the fuel, avoid this airport for 15 minutes and see if the storm moves out."

@clarazegarelli5861 5 ай бұрын

I flew around New Smyrna beach a few miles from incident 2. The weather in that area (Florida) changes very rapidly. Storms form very fast.

@Flight_Follower 5 ай бұрын

Okay. Yeah the weather changes real quick

@paulis7319 5 ай бұрын

I used to tow banners in a PA-25 over the Daytona Speedway and beaches every March for spring break. Landed many times with 40+ kt winds when it was fine before takeoff. Florida ain't for push-button pilots. lol

@Murray-hy6gw 4 ай бұрын

A storm scope detects lightning strikes

@darreno1450 5 ай бұрын

The obvious lesson here is to don't eff around with the weather.

@Flight_Follower 5 ай бұрын

Exactly

@josephkaminski1857 5 ай бұрын

Lesson is telling ATC to KISS off, take up own navigation. ATC directed him right to it, Pilot afraid to ask for heading change. Another plane called in and asked for a small heading change even though ATC said it was clear, they gave it to him, the commander pilot was a wimp and should have made a heading change that was required. Afraid to ask ATC for heading change who was telling him his heading to take . For the other plane ATC said ok, to small heading change, but that pilot says he sees nothing on his scope. Then after the commander crash ATC starts guiding planes away from the storm cell. This has been happening for decades. Never do what ATC says if you as pilot know better. ATC= Airplane Tragedy Creator

@darreno1450 5 ай бұрын

@@josephkaminski1857 At 1:59 in the video, ATC asked N215XP if he'd like to deviate to the east to avoid the weather and he replied a few moments later after communication was re-established that there was no activity on his scope. ATC asked a second time if he'd like to deviate and the pilot repeated the same thing. So did he deviate? Without the ADSB data, we can't really tell. The other aircraft did deviate and made it through so I can't see any reason to blame ATC here.

@josephkaminski1857 5 ай бұрын

@@darreno1450 WRONG. You better go back and listen again. ATC tells 5XD at 0:23 to turn heading 320, then at 0:33 ATC says turn heading 340. to intercept the 327 radial. then N231PD chimes in and alerts the ATC the heading of 300 ATC gave is no good and he wants to deviate, BAD weather. at time 1:29 ATC does not even know who he is talking to. LOL. Then at time 1:43 ATC tells N231PD that there is only some rain, nothing real bad and had no one go thru it to give any reports. Remember 5XP is hearing all this garbage from ATC. THEN the Criminal giving directions ATC. at 1:53 he is TALKING TO N231PD when he asks if he would like to go around, just let me know. THE WHOLE TIME HE still has 5XD on a clear heading to death and is a total moron.; 5XD is simply doing what he was last told believing that the storm is nothing serious only light rain when ATC told 1PD that garbage. ATC killed those people sure as sure can be. END OF STORY

@leechjim8023 5 ай бұрын

Aviate, navigate, communicate. In THAT order!

@svenf1 5 ай бұрын

With the tools we have these days both on the ground and in-flight there is really no good excuse to fly into areas that can rip off wings.

@DickC.Normous 5 ай бұрын

This crash is from 1983

@Flight_Follower 5 ай бұрын

Yeah

@kenclark9888 5 ай бұрын

It’s not the turbulence itself. It is the way that the pilots react to the turbulence. And this video blows not enough audio or explanation. Also the Commander can’t hold five which is what he had if he had four passengers with him

@Flight_Follower 5 ай бұрын

As per the information on the open source, Rockwell Commander 114A's total capacity is 05. That's what the report mentioned, the link in the description

@russella7263 5 ай бұрын

Rockwell commanders became well known for structural failures due to the wing spar failing. The root cause was a steel strap, that reinforced the lower spar cap, was prone to corrosion. >> Correction >> Sorry. As others have pointed out. The corrosion problem was with the Aero twin. The single suffered from cracks in the wing spar due to loads from retracting the landing gear.

@Pilotc180 5 ай бұрын

I believe that was only the twins; the single engine had no such problem

@Flight_Follower 5 ай бұрын

@Pilotc180 That's what I know too.

@dutchflats 5 ай бұрын

Don't over control the aircraft, ride through the bumps and just keep the wings level gently.

@GaZonk100 5 ай бұрын

a lot like life - and love

@coriscotupi 5 ай бұрын

@@androtekman6131 And adjust Va to the current aircraft weight.

@bubbsy2002 4 ай бұрын

@@androtekman6131 That is the key!

@thekill2509 4 ай бұрын

Uh. Controller to 5XP: I'm showing some rain ahead of you, nothing that looks real bad". 5XP flies into it and breaks up. Controller to Supervisor: "There's a big storm out there and he flew right into it".

@Bren39 4 ай бұрын

Seriously.. That's exactly what he did. That's called CYA

@c.q.mcwilliams282 3 ай бұрын

An instructor told me a long time ago. If you rely on ATC for weather avoidance, you won't live very long. That's not their job.

@MrSuzuki1187 5 ай бұрын

A storm scope is NOT radar!

@32SQUID 5 ай бұрын

It's the most sophisticated 3D radar out there.

@Flight_Follower 5 ай бұрын

@32SQUID exactly

@altemp100 5 ай бұрын

In my early days, flew freight in an Aerostar in the south. Only had a storm scope. About as useless as a boat anchor.

@AlbertHess-xy7ky 4 ай бұрын

@@altemp100 The operator...

@darrells1806 5 ай бұрын

Those storm scopes were misleading. Just because it showed no activity doesn’t mean there wouldn’t be moderate to severe turbulence. I used them a few times back in the late 70s early 80s but never did like relying on it.

@Flight_Follower 5 ай бұрын

Yeah

@jtocwru 5 ай бұрын

How are they misleading? Their purpose is to show lightning activity, and they do a fine job.

@darrells1806 5 ай бұрын

@@jtocwru knowing lightning activity is not enough. They could lead you down the primrose path into moderate to severe turbulence. Never trusted a storm scope. A good radar is your best friend.

@jtocwru 5 ай бұрын

@@darrells1806 Agreed, but I was simply responding to your claim that StormScopes are misleading because they don't do what a radar does. That's like saying that a lawn tractor is misleading because it's not a Lamborghini.

@darrells1806 5 ай бұрын

@@jtocwru ha ha, actually I’d rather have the lawn tractor. Much much cheaper to operate 😎

@iain8837 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video, interesting event, modern technology helps a lot, can imagine 1983 tech was pretty basic.

@johnnyrocco 5 ай бұрын

I was flying back in those days, and I DID NOT like to fly long x-country in the summer months due to this very same issue.

@pyme495 5 ай бұрын

I actually stopped flying in the mid-90s. I watch these videos and sometimes wonder if I could keep up with today's technology. It's a strange feeling.

@Flight_Follower 5 ай бұрын

@iain8837 thank you for the inspiring words. Respect to the pilots.

@Flight_Follower 5 ай бұрын

@johnnyrocco i can feel it now 😟

@Flight_Follower 5 ай бұрын

@pyme495 which aircraft did u fly sir??

@n1rbd 5 ай бұрын

ATC is Tyndall Approach at Tyndall AFB. Flew in/out of the old PFN airport a number of times before they build ECP. Tyndall AFB controls the airspace around Bay County/Panama City.

@Bren39 4 ай бұрын

I was going to comment he doesn't sound like a regular atc controller. I was going to comment more this this whole audio was narration of a script.

@brianchristopher4493 5 ай бұрын

This eerie to listen to. KPFN was were I learned to fly and I can see all of this take place in my mind as I have traveled this airspace now for 20 years. I can't help but wonder, if he had some of today's tech in the cockpit, if the outcome would have been different. The stormscope was marginal at best. But back then that's all there was. **oh and that is not fake airplane noise, that is unsqulched carrier RF.

@thekill2509 4 ай бұрын

A stormscope doesn't tell if there is convective activity or not, it just tells you if there is lightning. We get huge dust devils that will ruin your day in the SW US, in bright clear air. Towering Cumulus even without lightning is realistically a no-go in a light aircraft.

@Klink330 5 ай бұрын

Interesting that on a couple of occasions we were shown a Mooney N231PQ. Why?

@Flight_Follower 5 ай бұрын

It’s PD. It’s a mistake. Sorry for that

@ChristopherSaindon 5 ай бұрын

Rest in peace to all souls on board. 😞

@Flight_Follower 5 ай бұрын

RIP ☹️

@biffhenderson1144 5 ай бұрын

Interesting. I didn't realize that turbulence could do anything more than give us a rough ride.

@Roberto-oi7lm 5 ай бұрын

It's hard to know for sure, but it's almost certain that it was not the weather in and of itself which caused the structural overload. Chances are the pilot lost control of his aircraft in the rough air and over stressed it to the point of structural failure. And, if past history is any indication, the pilot was most likely not as current as he should have been when flying in IMC and I'll bet a dollar to a doughnut that he had not recently practiced unusual attitude recovery when in instrument conditions. Flying in and around thunderstorms is dangerous but usually not because the storm is too powerful or the aircraft isn't strong enough. Problems like this one are almost always caused by pilot error and most often lack of currency and/or inadequate training is a strong contributing factor.

@Flight_Follower 5 ай бұрын

It was also beyond my thoughts

@jeffreyhughes7107 5 ай бұрын

Flying around a cloud (per FAR/AIM 2000' horizontal distance)... turbulence violently flipped my left wing up out of no where. One big push up and it of course rocked/banked the plane. I was by myself and it freaked me out a little. I've flown a lot of bumpy trips but that moment sent current through me. So yes, turbulence can tear a plane asunder; especially towering cumulus. When you see the top of a cloud billowing, boiling and pushing up, that's convection ☠☠☠ BEWARE!

@JavierBonillaC 4 ай бұрын

I am Mexican but I read a lot in English. Tell me that "the airplane had broke" is not right and that it shou,d be "broken". Then the controller says "I think he's went down". What?

@sammytheface8821 3 ай бұрын

The term he used was "broke Up in flight"....And the word "broken" is part of an aviation term for "broken layer of clouds" describing more than 50 percent of the sky filled with clouds.....as opposed to scattered layer of clouds, less than 50 percent cloud cover...English can be very confusing. In Aviation, they try to use words, that don't have 2 meanings.. .Good heads up, for asking for the best meaning of the words Javier.👍

@jimw1615 5 ай бұрын

After a loss like this, commenting doesn't make much difference.

@Flight_Follower 5 ай бұрын

Yeah 😟

@scotty657 5 ай бұрын

I used to fly the 114 thing is built like a truck. It would take a lot to rip off the wings of that bird had been pilot Induced

@jpegjake 5 ай бұрын

Remember to check for signs of fatigue... he could had a time bomb on his hands...

@fuffoon 5 ай бұрын

I don't know how many times I've heard that turbulence only feels dangerous.

@BlackMamba-ec4dn 4 ай бұрын

Up or Down drafts in those towering T storms can be catastrophic.

@FlyingNDriving 5 ай бұрын

Prob No lightening if the TC is in it's building phase so won't show up on the old storm scopes. Also a poke at how better built a Mooney is than a commander!

@Darkvirgo88xx 5 ай бұрын

This crash happened way back in the day. I remember this one.

@Flight_Follower 5 ай бұрын

🙂

@gliderider7077 5 ай бұрын

That poor controller let out a sigh

@curlybill7618 5 ай бұрын

These controllers are amazing

@Flight_Follower 5 ай бұрын

Yeah. Agreed

@josephkaminski1857 5 ай бұрын

@whartonitec1041 5 ай бұрын

It was an ATC Failure

@josephkaminski1857 5 ай бұрын

@@whartonitec1041 the ATC is made of several CPC, all doing different jobs. The terminal CPC and the enroute CPC tend to overlap jobs for a little longer than normal on nice weather days. But in bad weather they are not supposed to because the enroute CPC has more information on weather enroute and they know more about various plane capabilities. . Each CPC category is trained for a specific job and they are not the same. They also get ongoing training every month. for UpToDate info on the airport and weather and other factors that change with time and season, but each on foes to a unique set of classes for their specific CPC job. .The Termianl and enroute CPC DO NOT go to the same anything . My replies have been censored out by people when I reply to them directly because when someone reply's direct a comment, that person you are reply ing to can have the comment removed. Several people trying to push false narrative the pilot was at fault have tried to hide the facts, cheating to get their narrative to look like people agree with them. . The fact is the CPC on duty killed these people. He failed to hand off this plane after departure to the Enroute CPC who was aware of the weather. The FAA is not revealing this fact. The CPC on duty for the terminal and departures was likely trying to earn his way to becoming an enroute CPC and was holding onto traffic longer than he was supposed to, to show he can do the job. He gave this guy enroute directions right into the bad weather and the pilot never challenged the CPC. hat CPC should be fired and never work again at ACT. his desire to be promoted overwhelmed his common sense. if he had any. I can't believe he was actually telling the other plane that he had not had anyone fly thru the bad weather to giver a report yet. OMG. He just got a report from that plane that the weather in that cell was dangerous, when they asked to deviate. NEVER, USE any ATC flight following with respect to weather. They are only good at avoiding traffic, and not even then always. With Today's ADSB in data, you literally don't ever need flight following for traffic or weather. Just get a $900 receiver and then use flightplango, its free. ATC will kill youy sure as sure. The FAA will protect them after the by blaming the pilot. Too many pilot are brainwashed by this systemic process and have become unwittingly sheep to agree with the FAA and not use their own common sense, when looking at the accident facts or hearing the Com..

@DrzewieckiDesign 5 ай бұрын

That's BRS are installed in some airplanes.

@michaelbritain5546 5 ай бұрын

Why I fly with a ballistic recovery chute...

@Howrider65 4 ай бұрын

These planes cost so much, and they can't make them strong enough to handle anything.

@love2fly558 5 ай бұрын

Winds 310 14G24!!! Why RNAV Rwy 16? There’s RNAV 34 with similar LPV DA. I just don’t get the decision though process.

@dwightmcqueen5771 5 ай бұрын

Definitely avoid cumulus clouds

@holywells 5 ай бұрын

Mother Nature always wins !!

@jamesgraham6122 5 ай бұрын

Was the guy in N2161 actually a pilot? Maybe it was an automatic answering machine responding to ATC. "N2161 Cleared to land Runway 16 / Wind 310-14 gusting 20 ! Low level windshear, severe rainstorm..." " Runway 16 , cleared to land N2161" What was he thinking ? Was he thinking ? The controller might have woken him up by offering an approach to runway 34..

@TheRotorhound 5 ай бұрын

That’s what I was thinking.

@Flight_Follower 5 ай бұрын

Same thing i was thinking too

@neatstuff1988 4 ай бұрын

If you do get bad turb maintain attitude and and manuevering speed. Forget maintaining altitude.😅

@6by6by6 5 ай бұрын

Don’t fly light aircraft into heavy weather and the wings will stay put.. Darwin for you..

@Flight_Follower 5 ай бұрын

Always avoid this kind of weather specially when flying a small aircraft

@smark1180 4 ай бұрын

A "doctor killer," right?

@1000kennedydk 5 ай бұрын

pictures are not aero commander

@Flight_Follower 5 ай бұрын

Okay. Thank you

@jimelliott6200 5 ай бұрын

I think its a Commander 112 or 114 single engine.

@1BlackSheep 5 ай бұрын

It is a Commander 114

@Flight_Follower 5 ай бұрын

Actually, it doesn't matter

@papadopp3870 5 ай бұрын

@@Flight_FollowerYou’ve got a point. Whatever that aeroplane was, now it is not.

@16vr6 5 ай бұрын

Doctors should stick to doctoring...

@KenJames9911 5 ай бұрын

spatial disorientation.

@Flight_Follower 5 ай бұрын

Right answer

@LionZebra 4 ай бұрын

Five X-Ray Papa, you’re about to die in a few seconds! Would you like to change course?

@MichaelLloyd 5 ай бұрын

The fake airplane engine noise and static adds nothing... but annoyance. The Stormscope in the Commander just picks up the electrical discharge from lightning. It doesn't mean it's ok to fly through it.

@Flight_Follower 5 ай бұрын

It's not a fake engine noise. This audio is from 1983.

@MichaelLloyd 5 ай бұрын

@@Flight_Follower Ok... but that's bs. I don't care when the audio was recorded, it's unnatural. If you'll take a few minutes to think about it you'll realize that ATC doesn't have engine noise in their environment. It shouldn't be there when they transmit. GA aircraft don't have sound recording from the cockpit so it's not coming from there. The engine noise is overlaid on top of BOTH transmissions. It's consistent and it doesn't change for either side of the conversation. Maybe you didn't fake it. Maybe you are using someone else's audio and they faked it. Either way, it's fake and it adds nothing. Unfortunately there's not much you can do about that. The second clip of the Seminole sounds more like normal ATC conversation. I've been flying since the 80's and there always seems to be someone that thinks they can pilot their little aircraft through a storm and the storm wins.

@Hero1395 5 ай бұрын

@@MichaelLloydthe audio doesn’t sound like a typical AM VHF radio either … sounds fake AF

@Darkvirgo88xx 5 ай бұрын

@@MichaelLloydIts not fake jackass its the original audio from 1983. Search the original audio it will sound the same.

@dwightmcqueen5771 5 ай бұрын

Wings should never be ripped off even by turbulence

@DanFrederiksen 5 ай бұрын

Storm air is apparently serious. I'm not a believer in alu sheet and rivet construction. It's both flimsy, ugly and labor intensive. The way Diamond does it with 2 extremely strong composite wing spars is probably good. It doesn't take much weight in composite at the wing base to give it strength that cannot break even at 20g.