Smash 4 Wii U - Super & Heavy Armor

[@IntroSpecktive]

Super armor is one of the reasons I main Charizard. Mixing up landings with reverse Rock Smashes gets me so many clutch kills in tight matches. Also 1:09 "Bush did 9/11" LMAO

[@JMWillso]

I do the same thing with Charizard! I also use it to stop rapid approaches from chars like Falcon

[@x.a.n.a.9397]

That’s a nice comment it would be shame if some one posted it on Twitter and took out the LoL and got you canceled lol

[@NachozRuleCP]

The Miiverse posts in this video are golden

[@cortizone121]

Whenever I play the stage they are funny. Just go on the miiverse page they are very funny.

[@bam6145]

NachozRuleCP "Bush did 9/11"

[@alexanderm5728]

NachozRuleCP Anyone else get the "Steve? You're a trooper!" reference?

[@Soxviper]

"FUCK"

[@DarkenMidnacrystal]

Alexander M You spent the hours of the night, trying to bring back a corpse, of a rotting fire breathing pig...Steve....you're a friggen trooper. I have to admit; I'm tearing up a little. Apologies for not typing exactly as he says

[@momo4081]

You guys are very helpful to the community. It looks like you guys put a lot of work into these, and they pay off for the viewers. Thank you guys for making smash a more understandable game!

[@DonBurtango]

5:28 that Megaman miiverse artwork, though.

[@EndieGaming]

SeñorBurtango q

[@vish5942]

SeñorBurtango dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm rip memeverse may it rest in memes

[@equinox-XVI]

*L I T*

[@tmsnssto6375]

It's like I am listening to a modern european doctor's new scientific findings. I don't even play smash 4 at the moment, but damn I love these explanations. Good job, whoever you are!

[@bandanasplitzzz]

"GO NOT RIDLEY" the fucking miiverse stage man

[@-Fraud]

2:36 Suicide-B Little Mac XD

[@ChefBuck]

YOUR EVERYWHERE

[@Morgan-jy7qo]

Krissen Jalim *Suiside-B

[@BigDeepz]

Ikr

[@Eimo127]

Krissen Jalim I saw you on a meme before. It was posted on facebook.

[@craigstruthers8817]

@@Morgan-jy7qo suicide is the right spelling *_SILLY BILLY_*

[@Akant0r9]

Dat ending

[@ados1280]

Can I get an explanation on why Yoshi's Eggs always knock Ryu out of his focus attack?

[@BeefySmashDoods]

Yoshi's eggs got 2 hitboxes: the egg itself and the explosion of it. And since Ryu can take only 1 hit, the egg almost always cancels his Focus Attack. -Slice

[@ados1280]

+Beefy Smash Doods Thanks a lot. That explains everything.

[@bottomkek]

The reason is that yoshis egg has a lasting hit box so the 2 hits are depleted very quickly same applies for sonic

[@ganerike7910]

+Beefy Smash Doods There are some moves that give invencibility to a character it means that The character doesnt receive Any damage or knockback like Ryu True Shoryuken , Corrin Dragón Ascend , Lucas up Smash , Jigglypuff rest and Cloud Limit Climm Hazard. But all only if at The first frames and if those hit The oponents

[@vketchup1316]

1:54 I was reading that book >:(

[@almondbutterfgc]

A random person ha

[@ShadowLink678]

so lets link others to the spoiler so they can be spoiled too

[@thatonecabridog]

???

[@reuelt.290]

Also, great information to know about with Charizard's flare blitz. Because people were able to kill me with a fully charged Shadow Ball and Ness's fully charged fsmash and I was completely bewildered since I thought it was super armor and not heavy armor.

[@AudioDriver]

Super armor and heavy armor has always intrigued me, and this video taught me a lot I didn't know about it. Really enjoyed watching, would love to see more of this.

[@SmugMatty]

4:43 that's a perfect reaction this is why I like the Miiverse Stage lol

[@imortal333]

I love using the heavy hitting characters that rely on weight and super armor to make up for the their faults, (lack of speed, projectiles, etc). This video was extremely helpful!

[@theaveragegamer8413]

Daamn that post on Megaman at 3:00 - 3:04 "Hard to get up after being forgotten especially by those who made you who you are (capcom)" with that rusty helmet... SO DEEP, Anybody know who made this?

[@jaredhuston1860]

you actually show stuff that is interesting for SSB4!!

[@thefrogwasnthurt2299]

Will you be doing a "Trample" video showing all the moves that do it? (ALSO GREAT VIDEO! I LOVED IT)

[@BeefySmashDoods]

Blake Moore these ARE all moves with trample that have been found (at least at that time)! although alot of people mistake it for invincibility which can be found on many more moves..

[@t.j.thorsen1917]

Beefy Smash Doods What would Link's Shield be considered? Considering that it seems to block every projectile.

[@BeefySmashDoods]

no idea what it is... just the hylian shield i guess ^^

[@t.j.thorsen1917]

Hmmm, Cool!

[@yirbi3307]

Beefy Smash Doods Ryu's Tatsumaki has the same trample property when the foot is coming forward. Even multi hits are outright ignored if it 'clashes' at that point.

[@theotaconguy701]

Are you going to do an updated version for Ultimate? Or at least an explanation of different kinds of armor? Like, what is going on with Bowser receiving no knock back from rapid jabs at low %?

[@Phoenix_The_HeroHater]

It’s called the tough guy mechanic

[@dayday99990]

they should put super armor on the falcon punch as soon as he punches

[@ultimaterecoil1136]

Dairon Celistan yeah it is kinda trash at the moment.

[@themustachioedfish5988]

You know, a lot of these instances of super and heavy armor are on some pretty strange moves, like Little Mac's smashes and DK's cargo throw. Maybe a lot of these moves only have armor to prevent some kind of bug? Or what if the armor itself was assigned to these moves by accident and they never bothered to remove it?

[@ProfessorDuck827]

"Self explinary" Haha that made me laugh, good vid guys!

[@marigi174]

+Beefy Smash Doods What would Link's shield come under

[@BeefySmashDoods]

+marigi174 Most people just call it the "Hylian Shield". It's a unique special thing. Kind Regards, Slice

[@Aflay1]

It functions basically like a parry, but for projectiles. It can block items with as much knock back as an explosion, however, it cannot block physical attacks. I don't know if it can block thrown weapons or large boxes.

[@thatonecabridog]

@@Aflay1 It can.

[@justicetaylor2695]

On the last bit, I remembered the in game tips mention when certain character's body parts become invincible, like Roy's sword arm when up smashing.

[@polardiamond981]

This is the best Super Smash Bros channel in HISTORY!!!!!!

[@Duckiefasca]

C5 sounds so depressed in 2015. This vid is almost 3 years old. I'm glad BSD is doing well. I love the content

[@AnthanKrufix]

Using Palutena's Dash attack when an enemy Pit or Dark Pit use their side-b is so satisfying. Because their side-b hitbox comes out slowly and they rely on the super armor beforehand to actually land the move, it means that Palutena's Dash attack is a super easy counter to it. Even though nether of their attacks send ether character flying, Pit gets damaged but Palutena doesn't. And also Palutena's endlag is literally half of that of Pit's it means free grab or other followup.

[@jesusman121]

Don't know if you've brought it up at some point, but captain's backhand can stop a fully charged aura sphere from +200% Lucario. Not sure if it is relevant to the topic here, but just thought i'd share that :)

[@nundalatacama3613]

I'm an Aplh main and I used to use down B constantly to disrespect my rival and I noticed that sometimes I wasn't hit while doing it. It was only a vague guest of mine, now, I know it has heavy armor. I can use it like Villager's pocket :D Thank you so much, BSD.

[@suddenllybah]

You should do a video on Invincibility and clashes. It seems like a key feature of Trample is that it negates the hitbox of the opposing move when they overlap, but don't force clash recovery (which lets your hitbox hit their hurtbox), while invinciblity move don't negate the hitbox, so you can totally be invincible when first under the hitbox of a move, become vulnerable, and then get nailed by that same move. (An easy example is rolling into a big projectile)

[@BugCatcherWill]

Your voice is amazing. Oh, yeah. And cool video, too

[@BeefySmashDoods]

BugCatcherWill *blushing*

[@KnTElixar]

Beefy Smash Doods Question: Why was I not already subscribed to you?

[@Thenpai]

Your Smash videos are awesome!

[@alonehyper8886]

on 1:59 the "champ" is here!

[@GRIEVER6000]

I actually learned something. Didn't know Bowser has this by simply just being himself XD Thank you Chris & Viktor

[@bigarcana5553]

The tips between matches say that... But then, nobody reads them.

[@_Snowflame]

Yoshi had what was referred to as subtractive armour in previous games, where she was only dealt any knockback that flowed over the cap of the armour on her double jump. Was this reduced to just heavy armour in Smash 4?

[@metachocobo]

One thing about Pit's side special that seems odd to me that I can't seem to figure out. It seems there are some moves, such as down tilts that do knock him out of his Super Armor state. But it seems to happen at random, but it seems to rarely happen. Same goes for the back step he takes right as he's dashing forward.

[@NobodyRoxasXIIII]

THE CHAMP IS HERE

[@sethfilginouski6159]

+Demacia Marth AND HIS NAME IS JOHN CENA!

[@Umneriko]

+Demacia Marth If marth could judgment...

[@Phoenix_The_HeroHater]

Does percent and knock back based heavy armor also in ultimate?

[@kenamada5451]

Lucas u-smash tamples if you hit him on the head. Dunno frame specific, but I have caught many on stage meteors with it.

[@crubat9429]

At the end, you forgot Lucas' up smash. At the beginning, it blocks a move and it still continues the up smash.

[@phoebe5114]

What frames does Jigglypuff's dash-attack Trample work on? Also, you guys are great! I've been catching up on your Smash 4 content all week and now I feel so ready to practice up and get better. Thanks for the awesome content! :)

[@MrNioMoon]

Your guides are *so* good!

[@Sebto360]

I found out about the Flame Choke super armour a while ago and it surprised me. I don't have the replay but Ganondorf grabbed a Pikachu, held it whilst thunder ran through him and then let go of Pikachu.

[@ultimaterecoil1136]

I got an idea for a video. How many characters and items can get through pocket with ranged attacks. For instance autoreticle for palentana can get through because villager cannot pocket all of the shots fast enough. Also multiple ranged attacks are allowed if necessary like mii gunner foward air plus charge shot.

[@disappointedfather9394]

Thanks guys. You covered pretty much everything.

[@DjSoSmooveMINTY124]

Im glad you made this video:)

[@The_Shabu]

Can you do a video on the last part?About the moves that both clash and continue for all characters? It was a really good video I learned about super and heavy armor.

[@Darkkryy]

Does Ryu look like he was drawn from Pencil and with a black Marking 6:01

[@sqrt203]

When talking about (Dr.) Mario's up smash and a few other moves, I've heard the term intangibility. Am I right in assuming that the character's hurtbox just doesn't occupy that area?

[@BeefySmashDoods]

sqrt correct! Invincibility and intangibility in smash 4 are a bit too complex and not enough researched for us to put it in the video^^

[@GreatGonzalezz]

Great video! Very informative but, you forgot the very small invincibility/blocking frames during lucas's upsmash.

[@BeefySmashDoods]

Ryan Gonzalez we didn't cover invincibility in general.. it's a different topic and ALOT more than just lucas^^

[@GreatGonzalezz]

Beefy Smash Doods Well, I guess I will just have to subscribe and wait for it.

[@Nate3417]

Very informative. I never knew that Jigglypuff had weird properties on its dash attack.

[@maxbrosig8986]

Dein Akzent ist so cool :D Sehr interessantes Video!

[@ERODRIGUEZ249]

If you hit meet a grounded attack with an aerial one, they will both hit. Won' those shield hitboxes just lead to techs if they're both on the ground, considering the shield is sometimes also an attack?

[@bobcivil9304]

so cloud's down special and percent based armor?

[@johnmckinnon9508]

call me crazy but I think charizards down special is heavy armor not super armor. i was playing as yoshi versus my friend, a charizard. he down specialed mid air as i hit him with every hit of yoshi's Dair. Charizard just straight up dropped the rock without crushing it. But i don't think it was damage or knockback that did it. Maybe its an unknown type of heavy armor that requires a certain number of hits. it seems like it would be something to look into

[@jault01]

Any chance for a DITCIT, Dash Item Toss Cancel Item Toss or super glide toss video?

[@ERODRIGUEZ249]

Will you do a light/medium armor and custom move armor showcase?

[@ShadowLink678]

Full list of those with trample/block hitbox abilities? i see palu, gw, and jiggs, but who else, and w/ what moves? or is it just those 3?

[@gerardoangel6]

4:47 "Go not Ridley!" oh my god that was funny

[@cliddwar]

What about Game and Watch's Up Smash? That's got to have some kind of armor to it.

[@Shado_Chimera]

You made a mistake at the end. Jigglypuff's dash attack does NOT have invincibility. It's beating Mega Man's projectiles because of a special type of priority that continues when it's clanks, and it clanks under the same circumstances as grounded attacks. This is different from invincibility because invincibility is on hurtboxes and will "tank" any attack including transcendent hitboxes. You can see this by testing Ganon's diar (which is transcendent) and Fsmash against Jiggs and Bowser.

[@BeefySmashDoods]

Shadó Chimera we never said it was invincibility^^ it is called trample or "block hitbox" like we said in the video :p

[@Shado_Chimera]

You listed 2 different things happening though. There's fundamental difference between Jiggs and the others. Palutena's bair has normal priority for example. Note that Jiggs' dash attack is one of many moves that behave in this way, so you missed a lot if it was your intention.

[@vyq6014]

Shadó Chimera Dude, watch this part again or check out the thread.. what you are saying makes no sense^^

[@Shado_Chimera]

It makes perfect sense. The thread is calling invincibility trample, and intangibility invincibility, so I understand why this is confusing. Here's the thing there's different things happening to Jiggs than the other 3. The other 3 have changes to their hurtboxes to behave the same way as they would if they had a starman item or off the respawn platform, as opposed to what you'd expect from most other moves that change hurtboxes like they are during a spot dodge. Jiggs has no hurtbox change and can be hit when outprioritized unlike the other 3. On top of that there are more moves that behave like Jigglypuff's example and not the others. A couple examples off the top of my head are: ness' jab 3, ZSS up tilt, Bowser's late Fsmash.

[@rtg_onefourtwoeightfiveseven]

Question. What is the difference between trample and partial invincibility? (I knew G&W's usmash had invincibility frames, but have no idea what 'trample' is supposed to mean or what it has to do with super/heavy armour.)

[@TheZeroJoker]

I could be wrong but those "trample" examples look more like partial invincibility to me. If not, I've got no idea what the difference is between those and (for example) Mario's invincible head.

[@almondbutterfgc]

TheZeroJoker trample means you get invincibility frames for part of body. you dont get hit and the other person does. this also aplies to jiggs and palus dash attack and palus bair

[@rtg_onefourtwoeightfiveseven]

bastion the salt powered robot So it's literally just partial invincibility.

[@almondbutterfgc]

Alex M. basically but the enemy attacks clank on you not miss

[@rtg_onefourtwoeightfiveseven]

bastion the salt powered robot But that is what invincibility is. When the enemy attack misses, that's intangibility, not invincibility. "Invincibility" means the attack landing on the character does no damage or knockback.

[@Darkbot]

What kind of armour does the medium up tilt of Ryu have? I know it has the ability to block downwards damage.

[@poiuytrewqqwertyuiop111]

I thought Peach's umbrella had Trample(Block-Hitbox) as well

[@aurexla_6949]

I think it's just a regular hitbox

[@abjps3]

doesn't ganon have heavy instead of super armor on the standing special? When playing as pit, I can easily knock him out of it on a second hit.

[@braedenchambers6835]

Doesn't Charizard's up tilt have super armour on his wings? Or is it invincibility?

[@Gamesmarts194]

For percent-based Heavy Armor, does it have to be a single attack that breaks it, or can it be multiple attacks (like a neutral attack that does multiple hits)?

[@Verdigri]

I recently noticed that sometimes the beginning of Yoshi's down-B, while airborn, has some sort of armor. Does anyone knows something about it ?

[@vipermoon_]

The last thing is actually called partial invincibility where specific body parts are invincible.

[@OrangeKyle91]

Could we get an update on this to include the later characters? I know Corrin has super armor at the beginning of Dragon Ascent, for example...

[@hasanmubarak8824]

He's actually completely invulnerable at the very beginning

[@Cananalope]

love your guys' videos.

[@TJCAMEL100]

What about lucases up smash? Id it armored in certain frames? Or invisibility on certain frames or am i completely wrong all together.? Because there have been times when i did an up smash and was never interrupted by an attack idk

[@nintengod6985]

I know you didn't include custom moves but here are some custom moves that do have super armor and heavy armor: 1. Warlock Blade (ganon's neutral b 2) 2. Giant Hammar, while charging (Kirby's side b 3) 3. Armored Jet Hammar, while charging (dedede's down b 2) 4. Stubborn Head but (Donkey Kong's side b 3) 5. Dark Fists, at beginning of move. (Ganon's up b 2) 6. Kong Cyclone, at beginning of move (Donkey Kong's up b 3) 7. Back Slash Charge (Shulk's side b 3) 8. Guard Breaker (Little Mac's side b 3) 9. Flaming Straight Lunge (Little Mac's neutral b 2) 10. Heavy Raptor Boost (Captain Falcon's side b 2) 11. Heavy Egg Roll (Yoshi's side b 2) 12. Wario's side b 3 13. Ike's side b 3. Also, like you explained, I know some custom moves that have special heavy armor cases 1. Kirby's down b 2 2. Meteor Stone (Kirby's down b 3) There may be more, but that's as much as I know.

[@josephpodborny5681]

I heard fire fox is good after a upthrow because it has two hit boxes. The beginning part is for attack/ nothing and the end part is for air dodge. Is this a true combo? If so, what percent?

[@nrshocks6931]

why does ganons f smash always break pits super armor, do moves have properties, ganons f smash has that purple effect it leaves as well

[@TooMuchBrazilch]

The last clip you showed, with jigglypuff's dash attack, have you tested this with harder hitting moves? Or is it only on low knockback moves?

[@BeefySmashDoods]

Admiral Ackbar our theory is that her trample hitbox is very small... tramples should work vs every move in theory, but if the hitbox reaches too far up or down, it seems that jiggs' dashattack can't block them!

[@ThePedroLippi]

Beefy Smash Doods But many well-timed attacks can block projectiles without clashing. Are you sure Jigglypuff really has trample?

[@BeefySmashDoods]

you are right.. it was hard for us to show off jiggs.. but yes we are sure! its definitelly a trample!

[@bigmacintoshroxs]

doesnt lucas's hitbox have trample? because numerous times i hit a lucas in his up smash charge and it did nothing

[@borealssb1384]

Jigglys down B also has some kind of armor at the beginning, test it standing near a Bob-Omb!

[@elijahh.8728]

Invincibility frames. Look on the smashboards link in the description to find more.

[@SwiftDreamer]

wait, luigi so when does luigi's fireball deal knockback?

[@Que_Veen]

Great vid! How do you make your vids look so crisp in 108060fps? whats ur set up?

[@BeefySmashDoods]

sk81212 we use the Elgato Game Capture HD60! Its probably the most used capture card in the console gaming community.

[@Que_Veen]

Beefy Smash Doods i use it too but it doesnt look nearly as good as your vid. Im assuming you gaiz prob have beefy pc too haha. Anyways thanks and keep making good vids!

[@LuckySharm]

Can you show us all the characters that have moves with Block-hitbox? I think Wii Fit Trainer has some in her smash attacks.

[@KyuseiFFXIV]

+LuckySharm They showed all the trample moves here. what WFT has is Invincibility

[@LlamaRed]

Always wondered why Ganon's armour only seemed to work on occasion. Thanks!

[@GuyroMaster]

Is there any way for you guys to put Sonic's Spin Dash hop animation to the test? I am an experienced Sonic player and I can tell you that there is something unique about this cancel armor. Sonic takes no damage from the hit and if the hit was more powerful, the move continues through him with no damage or knockback. I've referred to this as the sweetspot and priority level. There has to be a limit on it but I don't know how to test it. So far the number of attacks countered...mostly project tiles. Samus' Charge Shot (all levels) Mewtwo's Shadow Ball (all levels) Max Aura Lucario Aura Sphere (all levels) PK Thunder (Ness and Lucas) Pacman Fire Hydrant and Neutral B (all levels) I even once did it on Captain Falcon's Falcon Punch. I'm really curious to know the limits of this move's defensive power and how it nulls the damage with zero knockback to Sonic.

[@KyuseiFFXIV]

+GuyroMaster Invincibility is a thing

[@GuyroMaster]

Amir M That's basically what it is, but when you're invincible, meaning the power star, the attacks don't go through you, but stop and vanish (with the exception of the Fire Hydrant and other projectiles and attacks of that nature). That's why I called it Cancel Armor because it nulls damage and knockback, but the attack can still clip through you if it was more powerful than the Spin Dash hop.

[@takeshi2005]

So if a move has % based heavy armor, and lets say that it takes 8% to overcome the move, does it need to be hit with a move that does 8% or more, or is it enought to use three times a move with 3%?

[@orcfeseda]

Truly, your video's have helped me drastically! I SERIOUSLY, hate SUPER armor characters because they NEVER work for me. Such as special Side smash Pit. Everytime i am against a Pit, their super armor ALWAYS seem to be affective for them. But when I use it, somehow, SOMEHOW, a WEAK attack penetrates through his special no problem. So i gave up on it as it's pointless for me.

[@yukami2365]

Mac is a fuckin badass. He just straight up punches bombs.

[@Mika_Sura]

Its kinda difficult to test and would be a very large guide, but i wonder what are the moves and percentages necessary to knock people out of knockback based heavy armor?

[@GeneralForster]

Depends on the character but it's safe to say that if their damage is around 100, you're probably breaking that armor.

[@Murakumo96]

Does the persent based heavy armor protect you from Cloud's finishing touch?

[@Thelivingmonkeygaming]

Yes

[@kaela-kae]

5:12 dang that’s a good bowser drawing

[@SeaSquish]

Where's the beef?

[@BeefySmashDoods]

BEEF!

[@T0rturephil3]

In his voice.

[@multivewer]

is there some Heavy Armor on Mega Mans Slide Kick?

[@MALDINI308]

what about bowsers super armor that activates after certain number of opponents jabs?

[@riotwithlove1849]

Happy birthday Alex

[@johnhavering3543]

hat bewohners balloons eigentlich auch heavy armor, weil man schon öfters drauf schlagen muss um eins zu zerplatzen?

[@VannTango]

What about Mario and Luigi's up smash? Do they have trample hitboxes as well?

[@BeefySmashDoods]

Tim Barich nope, thats intangibility! (its similar to invincibility)

[@VannTango]

Oh, okay. I was confused because the frame data list that was posted on Smashboards a couple months ago referred to it as "invincibility." This is a really great video, by the way. Interesting and informative.

[@phoenixwright8992]

Where is Ryu's Inviciblity Frame-Data?

[@Gamesmarts194]

1:46 The meme lives on in the Miiverse posts.

[@wontonwarrior97]

For little mac, how come his neutral b armor can take little mac's down tilt, but it gets beat out by samus' charge shot? (they both deal 8%) Also, cloud's side b breaks little mac's heavy armor, even though it does less than 8. Do you think it's the properties of certain moves?

[@SkySaito]

You sure it was not an overused down tilt ? I tried with an up tilt (do 8 damage too but yeah) and it canceled it

[@wontonwarrior97]

+SkySaito Little mac's dtilt does 8%, but I think the charge shot did a fraction more than 8%.

[@SkySaito]

I just tried with the dtilt of Mac. It worked .-. You should try again

[@craigstruthers8817]

4:43 lovely picture

[@Quinn-ko8vj]

Hey their Beefy Smash Doods I have a very important question for you that I hope you can answer in a video for me. What is Yoshi's true combo percent for his up air combos (All of them but primarily his up tilt to triple up air) and how to perform them properly. I am trying to become an amazing Yoshi main and this would greatly help. I understand this is a big request but I can't find it anywhere else. PLEASE DO THIS FOR ME. Thank you SOOO much if you do this. And remember "Stay Beefy" :3

[@dukeofdeposits2297]

I love reading the Miiverse comments while the showcase goes on.