Smash Bros Ultimate Down-Air Tier List

[@TCNick3]

finally, a fellow intellectual who understands how busted kirby down air is

[@crunchproductions2276]

What’s up fella

[@Metalc]

Hi TCNick ur like the best smash youtuber

[@DaRealJake]

Yes. Kirby mains are straight up lying.

[@robertmosley429]

No one can ever understand

[@ghosttoad2419]

bruh the hero video today was soooo good i hope it was worth the pain

[@TheEmperorGulcasa]

You should tally up your tier ratings for moves and see who has the best moveset overall. Would be interesting to see.

[@atha5469]

Pikachu.

[@c1yd335]

Pikachu.

[@foldfoldfoldfold]

Busted.

[@colingamer5073]

It’s not pika, it’s Steve definitely why he should be banned

[@Sedwards3795]

He’s already done a video where he states the best of each individual move and it’s by far Game and Watch with like 5 entries

[@plushling6996]

To quote ESAM from a few years ago. "Who's using Falco D-air in nuteral?" How the turn has tabled. :3

[@alexemp6201]

Truuue I remember that

[@bananaking3236]

Yep

[@georgfiedler1871]

Happy to see some falco recognition

[@Forever-GM-Dusty]

The shoe is certainly on the other foot

[@doctorkracko]

Well it did get buffed

[@jonathangough5331]

Some things to note about lucario’s dair: its hit box is actually kinda huge so you can hit opponents below the ledge while they’re recovering; it sends at a nasty angle which is great for edgeguarding or tech chases if you’re on stage; it’s really good for stage spiking as it has very little hitstun on the second hit meaning it can be tricky to time a tech and if you miss the tech you just die at like 0% even without aura. It’s also a pretty strong move if you’re at a high enough percent and can be comboed into. Thank you for coming to my ted talk.

[@GaigeHawthorne]

I agree

[@Electro4890]

Lucario dair is litteraly free 2 frame cuz the hitbox is huge and it lingers for a bit

[@ph1lny3]

Not to mention against some recoveries (Bowser, DK) it's so free as an edgeguard option

[@MerryBlind]

Zelda’s Down-Air is an easy S Tier, especially since they enlarged the hitboxes of the strong hit not long ago.

[@MetaKnightX6]

But it is pretty average in terms of knockback despite very much above-average damage.

[@carcharo7]

@@MetaKnightX6 it sends to blast zone from ledgehang at 40%. It is very strong. Plus it has low endlag so you can always go for a second. And it does 20.1%

[@DragonMaster1818]

@@carcharo7and it spikes if it’s the sweet or sour spot

[@bojacxfanren]

you are massively overrating Sora's Dair. He has to be a mile in the air for it to auto cancel, and the hitbox isn't even below sora half the time making it super easy to just swat out of the air. as well, it's landing hitbox isn't happening on auto cancels and is really small anyway, so if someone just runs up, and stops outside it's range, it's just a free smash attack

[@starstorm4077]

I know right! I was thinking the same thing. If Sora is that high planning to do a down air you can more than prepare to swat him for even considering to do it.

[@successfulfailure1298]

Yes but I hate sora so i will continue calling his dair broken

[@DragonMaster1818]

Stall and fall dairs are risky and sora isn’t even the best one since there’s a chance sora can just miss you entirely if you stand in certain spots near the move.

[@bnbronstein]

Ridley down air is such a crime, it feels so obvious that pogo stick move from super Metroid / basically link/yink Dair. Also @esam im most curious for your back air tier list, feel like on average Bairs are some of the best in the game.

[@Terrabyte13]

I feel like bair would be really dull. So many are just "kick backward" and it would just boil down to the ones with the best frame data, instead of more interesting gimmicks.

[@bnbronstein]

@@Terrabyte13 yea second thought you're right, I was just thinking 'who besides Mac has a BAD back air?', but you're def right its a much less interesting list

[@Electro4890]

Bairs are universally very good moves

[@ricocarpenter2189]

@@Terrabyte13 Dont forget the "Big sword slash behind" and "Thin but strong sword slash behind"

[@songoku2711]

Ivysaur's down-air helped me win my first Smash tournament! Back in Summer of 2019, I went to a local with about 30 people. I swept with Joker the entire tournament but I switched against a Lucas main who beat me once in the semifinal. With Ivysaur's down-air, I dunked him off the edge of FD TWICE! The entire room jumped up and cheered, it was an epic moment for me.

[@atrixplayz2825]

Went to my first ssbu tournament recently. I didn’t make it outta pools. But I’m really looking forward to going again. I’ll be practicing until I can win my first. Chunkykong plays in my area so I doubt that’ll happen😂 but I can hope

[@TheLobsterCopter5000]

Regarding the Little Mac thing, that's a bug with his up special, and works with any of his aerials. Dair is just used because it's the least laggy aerial he can do with the c-stick. It would have no recovery usage on any other character.

[@mortezz1268]

Can you explain how it works?

[@theronjohnson2640]

Mac down air actually has a slight anti gravity effect (see fox fair but less) which helps with recovery

[@chrispo7610]

@@theronjohnson2640 no it doesn't.

[@TheLobsterCopter5000]

@@theronjohnson2640 No it doesn't, the animation may make it look that way, but if you check the scripts you'll see no such effect is present.

[@TheLobsterCopter5000]

@@mortezz1268 Basically, if you buffer an Up B out of one of Mac's aerials (technically you don't HAVE to buffer it, but that's the easiest way), you get a forward boost out of his Up B, like the grounded version has.

[@icykuikinu300]

5:10 You can actually, if you get the autocancel window after the last hit while avoiding the landing hit box. It's a true confirm into both up and down smash if you get the autocancel, we call it the Dair Ride, haha. You don't see it often cuz it's hard to pull off, but it's definitely a thing

[@staticchimera44]

Also combos into fsmash but at that % why not just dsmash.

[@BlisteringBlue42]

I wouldn't call Snake's down air "small" per se, the hitboxes are actually pretty disjointed. It just doesn't have a good hitbox behind him, so it's easy to get out of through SDI at times (depending on the Snake player's directional aim when using it). It's very good, but as a Snake main myself, I definitely agree that this move is overrated.

[@jmurray1110]

Certainly notorious given you could easily get 20% out of shield with just a short hop Plu it probably magnified due to the insane drop on jump squat frames conspired to brawl

[@BlisteringBlue42]

@@jmurray1110 true but regardless, the move has its flaws despite its speed and damage output

[@xolotltolox7626]

Yeah, the move not having autolink angles is so stupid, but people overrate it to hell and back bc it's a frame 6 oos that does 20

[@jmurray1110]

@@BlisteringBlue42 yeah I understand that compairitively it’d far better than it was and it can catch you often enough to still be a threat

[@AverageDoctor345]

Give it to a character that doesn't have the worst air acceleration in the game and SDI would be much less of an issue.

[@markomikic322]

This videos are sooo fun to watch, I don't want to this series end.

[@likenoother6561]

Ridleys Dair is such a missed opportunity. Imagine it was the tail spike from Metroid and it bounced back up like Greninja's. I feel like they really didnt put enough love into the base roster like they did DLC. Ganon only getting changes to Smash attacks also makes me sad. He should be using more power.

[@imESAM]

I AGREEEE

[@iliya1933]

And not only that, the boot up smash was the most fun thing about him in Smash 4, and while I'm happy he's actually using that sword now, I'm even sadder to see the boot gone.

[@brain_tonic]

Some of the base roster characters kept getting buffed though, but it was a select few. Captain Falcon, Falco, Mewtwo, Ken and Ryu got a million buffs whereas Ganon got like... one buff? You can tell they play favorites, or maybe the "bad" characters have good winrates on wifi? Not sure.

[@andremorrison7626]

@@imESAM Not saying it should be in the tier above, but K Rool's has the interesting (and niche) use for jab lock strings. Look at the beginning of King of Skill's video with Kirbykid to get what I mean.

[@gameboyn64]

For both marth and lucina, the tip sends out, sour sends up. Its a good combo tool but isn't really safe because it's laggy. It can be annoying when trying for a spike because often it will sends your opponent up if you mess up and both aide your opponents recovery as well as put you in disadvantage. Another issue is that it is one of the only, if not the only, to have a hit box that preceed the spike meaning you have to space the move quite well to avoid the early hits.

[@slade_pikachu]

Not only does Pit's dair combos amazing in a vacuum, the spike is more useful than you think. It can jab lock whether you're on the platforms or on the ground, so you can combo more off from it. It's also somewhat safe on shield (-8). I think it's broken

[@aaronole77]

30:00 he realized he said at the beginning that falco wouldn't be near the top 5 so he jumped it down a bunch 👀

[@kosakukawajiri9232]

the lucario dair thing goes out the window when you realise that dair oos is useless since it only hits super close to the ground and has 0 horizontal range without aura. Pretty much always means he lands after it, whereas snake can move and floats afterwards for added versatility.

[@koldking]

These tier list videos are so awesome. I'm so hyped every time they pop up. Keep it up man.

[@ImAviex]

ESAM criminally underrates Mythra's neutral B, using it to wavebounce and ledge trap with it's increased range is nutty, her kit is surprisingly not that safe but neutral B used like this, is.

[@L1N3R1D3R]

26:06 You say this when Fox and Wolf's B-airs exist, both of which have exactly 8 frames that do not autocancel and have no hitbox.

[@dalek5843]

The fact that Ridley's down air wasn't the tail pogo and is this god awful stall and fall haunts me to this fucking day

[@rosco2603]

Love the thought experiments like this. Also Marth dair is weird. 3rd frame basically always spikes. Otherwise, tippers send out. sours send out on frames 1 and 5, up on frames 2 and 4. Oh yeah, and tipper dair (non-spike) sends nowhere at 0. Doesn't even get the opponent off the ground.

[@origamiman5460]

lmao the Mii Gunner visualization was amazing. Props to the ESAMeditor

[@jswayne7546]

The landing hitbox for Zero Suit Samus's down aerial has more launch power than the falling hit.

[@legendarysoil1064]

FYI for Ken and Ryu’s down air, their sourspots true combo into another dair, or possibly even smash attacks if they’re fast and big enough

[@ShinyMew76]

Mewtwo generally is agreed by the Mewtwo community to have a really good spike, so I disagree with the Mewtwo placement, especially since on characters with no frame 1/2 escape option you can get dtilt dair at mid percentages

[@geekey3441]

can't wait for the "other" tier list that include kazuya's 27 input moves that are all S tier lol

[@svovy5358]

Falco is basically Down air, the character. He can combo 4 Dair in a row on battlefield. (at certain percents)

[@Slossbrian3]

Captain falcon is the coolest I like him

[@perriwinkleiii5361]

Oh don't put ideas in my head... I'm a Gunner main, and when you suggested reversing their up air and down air, my brain melted at the possibilities

[@ryanepic6577]

As a Kirby main, yes, Kirby dair is insane. There’s tons of combos with it that if not sdi’d correctly (and even then the combo can just be changed) are insane and it just fully invalidates some characters recoveries.

[@gaalxystar1873]

Also the hitstun is very low and has terrbile land lag characters with great OOS can easily punish that

[@ryanepic6577]

@@gaalxystar1873 well I wouldn’t exactly recommend just throwing it out willy nilly. It’s not usually used for a combo starter, more as part of the combo itself.

[@gamexpert1990]

29:06 - 29:07 I know these aren't really ordered within each tier, but I was pleasantly surprised to notice that you snuck Mii Swordfighter's D-air ahead by about a dozen spots. :-)

[@lagspike7763]

I don't think that it's necessarily productive to consider these moves in a vacuum. They're only seen on their respective characters, so wouldn't it make more sense to look at how important they are for their characters and how good they are for their characters?

[@silvergalaxia8538]

Because characters with good mobility would have a big advantage over characters that don't take. For example, wolf's N-air isn't really that good in terms of frame data, but because of his great air speed it becomes more useful. As he explained in the beginning, the list would basically boil down to "good character in high tier, bad character in low tier."

[@lagspike7763]

@@silvergalaxia8538 I guess so but it’s the only context that actually affects the way you play the game, right?

[@kimotokirby1601]

@@lagspike7763 Yeah, but to know how good a move ACTUALLY is, you need to rate it like this. For example: Most of incineroar's moves are insanely good, but sense he's so slow, he just can't make use of them that much, so even tho they are pretty good, they will be put on a low tier. Sorry for my bad english btw, i'm still learning.

[@shush5933]

Ridley dair id say should be above plant dair, onstage it kills really early so it’s a useful burst option

[@mlindquist8942]

This might be a really difficult tier list to make but you could do characters "tech potential" like how much of a powerup does a character get when someone uses all of the tech people have found on that character. like Steve and pack man would probably be S tier because they have a TON of things people have found on them and Roy would probably be low tier because he can't do many fancy tech things.

[@darc5925]

15:03 that's incorrect. Bayo's down also has a constant spike hit box for the entire duration

[@yerthebestaround9654]

Marth and Lucina both send up or out if not spiking. Depends on the hitbox. Weak dair sending up still combos longer for Marth

[@Super_EpicGuy]

16:36 People already forgot about Kazuya's footstool Side B huh

[@redpandaplush5980]

Shoutouts to the editor for all the demonstration clips

[@Sleuwy]

Fun fact: Ike and Falcon have the same Dair just Ike’s in disjointed and slightly more laggy

[@Numbo1]

I think lucas dair is a lot better than is given credit for in this video. One thing esam didn't talk about in this video is it's ability to suck you off the stage. If you getup-attack, lucas can shield it and dair out of shield to drag you off the stage and spike you.

[@eaa1338]

It can be sdi’d. D-air loops are also sdi-able.

[@Numbo1]

@@eaa1338 You're not wrong, but how many people do you see sdi'ing snake down air? I feel this is a you would need to really know the match-up to abuse this.

[@eaa1338]

@@Numbo1 you can say that about any move tho. Like of course does something work if your opponent doesn’t know the mu. Btw a lot of characters also fall out even without sdi like bowser or megaman for some reason.

[@Numbo1]

@@eaa1338 You're right. The move is a little inconsistent. This video is mostly potential-wise anyway so something being inconsistent probably hurts more than I was giving it credit for.

[@eaa1338]

@@Numbo1 That inconsistency issue is not the only problem this move has. It’s also not safe on shield, it’s a really slow oos option, it trades or gets beaten out from below, the sourspot kills at like 200% at the ledge and you can also parry, spotdodge, fullhop or even use a frame 6 oos option in between the hits to punish lucas. People would cry if they had lucas’ down air on their character.

[@erichobaltodano]

Actually megaman down-air I've been training with megaman as a secondary If you do dair low enough it can combo into upair and it can break shields

[@Super_EpicGuy]

9:00 There *is* a spike hitbox and it's *supposed* to just hit into the normal hitbox since it's set knockback, but it can fail to do that, and it makes me wonder why they didn't just make it the same as the normal hitbox

[@staticchimera44]

Kirby dair being in top tier is so cursed dude. I just can't. I have heard stories of people completely replacing dair for other Kirby moves and becoming more successful. My heart cannot take this placement.

[@stephenrichter8940]

There are an awful lot of characters that are guaranteed dead the second they are offstage, purely because of this move. Basically any one that isn't a teleport, tether, or have a crazy protective hitbox like sephiroth just dies

[@staticchimera44]

@@stephenrichter8940 Except most characters fall under these conditions, that's the problem. Recoveries in this game are very good, and frankly, dair sucks at edge guarding many of them

[@stephenrichter8940]

@@staticchimera44 I mean, having an option that entirely negates Pythra, Cloud, Rob, Arsene Joker, Snake, and even game and watch after frame 4 are some kinda important matchups...

[@gabrielrichards9855]

How is Mythra neutral b not a good one? It's near lagless, comes out instantly, scoops from above below and behind not to mention the huge hit box Infront, it can be turned around last second, stalls you slightly in the air, can 2 frame, what more can you want?

[@mathunit1]

Cook your breakfast and do your taxes?

[@gravemind76]

Lagless when charged, only stall if the move land, etc. Your missing a lot of key stuff. The move is to committing for how you want to play her.

[@ThatOneWeirdFlex]

Cloud down-air 2 frames, lingers, and is a pretty decent combo tool. Just something I noticed as a cloud main

[@brain_tonic]

Its definitely deceptively big too. Surprisingly hard to contest for what looks like just a little needle point.

[@Electro4890]

Also the lingering hitbox kills like crazy

[@literallydeadpool]

If cloud had a better recovery this move would be used a million times more often

[@dee6561]

Pyra's DAIR is on a tier of its own.

[@AguaDeOguo]

I don't think Kirby Dair is top tier good, yeah he has the lingering spike and also the Dair ride combo but MAN, that thing is frame 18, slower than Ganon Dair-

[@toowiggly]

It being slow doesn't matter too much off stage. With most spikes, you wait and time the spike to hit it when edgeguarding. It's much harder to mix up your timing with a spike that covers all of them.

[@Slossbrian3]

I play as ganondorf because I don’t like the Josh try is that is cheating and it’s really Dr. Mario

[@squishjones2138]

Tbh pyra has a better moveset than mythra the only reason why mythra is better is due to mythra being fast

[@ducc9816]

Duck Hunt's dair has almost no utility on stage but is great at taking early stocks with clay pigeon > dair > dair at low-ish mid percents. It's also quite capable at 2-framing when using the can to extend the active frames, and this isn't some far-fetched training mode moonshot- it's simply utilizing can at the position at which it would already sit during ledge trapping setups. Like, whenever someone goes off stage my first instinct is to either try to hit them with (usually twist) can or position can exactly at ledge to either 2-frame or ledge trap them.

[@Joseishish]

You did Ganon dirty

[@zake64]

Big disagree with Charizard's down air being so low. The spike hitbox is so easy to hit, and the move kills mad early even if you get the sour spot

[@MacD4Short]

K Rool dair can combo into: jab, grab, f tilt, d tilt, up tilt, up smash, f smash, nair, and up air. And you can tech chase with more dairs.

[@demise9572]

I honestly hate it when Kirby players say that their down air is trash. That move is broken offstage, and can help with some combos. Maybe it could be inconsistent, but to me, that is a little bit of a stretch

[@samuelkinnunen828]

I completely agree

[@gaalxystar1873]

The main problem for Kirby dair is that the hit stun is very low most of the characters can easily punish and the landing lag is so bad plus the spike is not strong enough off stage against characters with great recovery

[@demise9572]

@@gaalxystar1873 yes, the spike hit box is weak, but kirby can use down air multiple times offstage due to him having the most jumps in the game, which is why I think his down air is broken off stage

[@staticchimera44]

Kirby's dair is good at edge guarding some characters, but I've found that most characters aren't that bothered by it. As long as you save your jump or have a good vertical recovery then you shouldn't really be worried about this move. Knowing the move's weaknesses makes it so much easier to recover against it, take it from me.

[@MrGameguyC]

It's kind of a meme by this point like "ZSS SUXS!".

[@guapo5462]

If a character that falls faster than Kirby has Kirby dair then the move would never spike, sdi is too good against Kirby dair

[@staticchimera44]

Yeah something that people don't abuse enough against Kirby dair is SDI. Fighting people that know how to deal with this move makes it so hard to use.

[@guapo5462]

@@staticchimera44 it also makes a lot of combos unreliable like fair into grab after a f throw at zero, SDI is so good against Kirby

[@staticchimera44]

@@guapo5462 True, although at least SDI up on fair can still lead into other combos. SDI on dair though... you can't really do anything.

[@yoyoguy1st]

Oh no, I already see the Kirby mains propaganda trying to say “d-air ACTUALLY is bad”

[@eaa1338]

Lucas’ down air should be in the down bad tier just because of it being one of the most inconsistent move in the game even without sdi. It’s not safe on shield, sdi just gets you out for free, reacting with sdi is easy because it’s a multihit and it has a lot of freeze frames, it’s a really slow oos option, it trades or gets beaten out from below, the sourspot kills at like 200% at the ledge and you can also parry, spotdodge, use an oos option in between the hits to punish lucas.

[@survivorofthecurse717]

First up, nice shirt, if that's a Splatoon 2 logo. Splatoon = real Squid Game. Secondly: 10:18 I really agree. So many people say things that are pretty funny like "PK Fire is so annoying as a combo tool and all Ness mains spam it." I just say it's not that bad and they need to SDI, and then people just say cap like there's no tomorrow. At this point, it's safe to say that U&ICI2I Edit: idk what to be more surprised over: Sora's dair being +5 on shield if done right, or pac man's dair being THAT disjointed while having THAT much aerial movement. Yet another thing that's a pain against Pac

[@KevSB07]

6:38 F-throw is way better than dair and pound

[@tropikilla]

Fun fact of the day, sour spot of Ganon's dair kills off the side earlier than Nair does 🙃

[@randomguy8107]

Ganon’s Dair spike is not the strongest in the game anymore. Byleth’s Dair replaced it

[@coz9387]

I mean Mythra invisibly isn’t meant for killing, and because of its bad angle, and the property where the charging blade has a hit box, it can be comboed into the uncharged, or the full charged from a platform tech scenario. It’s niche and probably works best in Mythra’s kit, but it’s not a bad move like side b

[@SuperDarwinFAN]

As a kirby main, his dair is *okay* but kinda mediocre It makes the ike/chrom matchup free offstage but most ofbthe time nair is much better for edge guarding

[@ZZgamer123]

Before watching I’m guessing falcons down air will be top 20

[@atha5469]

It isn’t that good. It’s good for Falcon.

[@ZZgamer123]

@@atha5469 meant to say falco

[@jawbreakerx1490]

Me watching a top player call kirby's frame 18 move with 12 frames of endlag "busted" that barely combos properly

[@tomattosmash8304]

🅱️ASED

[@jordanhelverson2198]

If we’re goin to include niche uses like little Mac platform jab locks then Ridleys is better because you can do down air footstool out of shield which is a fast killing out of shield option

[@smartdoge3735]

Yeaaa, but not many people care about ridley as they do my boy mac:)

[@thomasmulugeta3543]

Lucas down air would be busted if the move actually worked

[@Aceplays679]

as a sonic main his down air is good but out right broken cuz it is too situational

[@jmurray1110]

Then again stall and fails are usually the worst down specials unless your super floaty and need a good decent option

[@Aceplays679]

@@jmurray1110 down special?

[@jmurray1110]

@@Aceplays679 down air I don’t know why i said a special

[@Aceplays679]

@@jmurray1110 oh ok

[@wii3564]

Corrin's Dair is probably the second best dair that forces fall after ZSS'

[@hdaervmaonn]

Sheik's dair starts combos though

[@francozubiria5362]

@@hdaervmaonn Corrin's does too (only two hit combos though).

[@KodakKid33]

Calling lucario dair better than snake's is just crazy wrong. Also hella overrated ZSS dair, it's only usable in a few high/top tier MUs, when you have a stock lead, and it's still high risk

[@crankycat5222]

The way I tier the moves is by seeing and thinking how they would work on Mario for mid weight bowser for heavyweight and pikachu/pichu for lightweight

[@4real681]

i would've put Wolfs downair a tier higher bc the spike hitbox is just extremely wide. You can basically jump offstage and definitely land a spike. It comes out slow tho.

[@AidnTheFurry]

why is the 3rd tier called down bad air

[@jesuspernia8031]

I’m glad Roy’s is acknowledged. Lots of people just write it off as bad

[@FINN362]

What's the song at 17:00?

[@Wesley-76]

Mario's dair is so annoying. The high levels CPUs spam that move like crazy and it feels impossible to punish

[@devongibson4161]

This is the first time I’ve ever seen Little Mac’s down air, and I never even knew he had one despite knowing everyone has one 😂

[@fuducker2]

6:11 what does he mean "it isn't on puff"?

[@CorrinNohr]

I know my down air can be good, thank you Esam

[@mettatonex7221]

I want to see "You're all wrong and stupid, but that's okay" turned into a meme.

[@selfloathinggameing]

I remember when Plant was revealed and we all thought his down air would be busted

[@fluxx5783]

the best use for Ridley down air is as a footstool combo finisher, and since it's almost impossible to do those, it's practically useless

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

It's also a decent non-taunt taunt. Shorthop Dair being spammed looks kinda neat.

[@linustrain]

Ridley dair being what it is makes me sad, love Ridley but that dair is a mistake whenever it is used

[@zekkyauditore3021]

What's the first song from? I'm sure I've heard it somewhere, but I'm not sure where

[@zekkyauditore3021]

nvm, just remembered that's Drive me Wild from Valhalla

[@jordanjapo]

Here to say Lucas’ should be higher. It can do combos, can carry someone on stage off stage and then spike them, and the long lasting hit boxes make it easy to spike with. Shocked it’s not higher it’s so good.

[@DauntlessBlade___]

IDK why online Toon Links only spam bomb into down air. They double jump throw the bomb down then down air after it. IDK

[@LuBiStar2]

ROB DAIR also kills off the side at like 120 at ledge i think

[@Slossbrian3]

But I lost by Josh

[@robertmeneguzzo235]

You can do footstool dair with pyra and get confirms with or without plats btw

[@MasutaMJ]

Why does Sora's down air just make you explode at light speed. Surprised the final patch didn't fix it

[@potat__]

Meta Knight's dair is -6 on shield according to ultimateframedata, which is as safe as his f-smash

[@MerryBlind]

Something to note for Ridley’s, while I do agree it sucks overall, it does have the utility of being usable for footstool OoS just like Sephiroth’s, which can benefit him since his other OoS options are slow.

[@link9547]

Link deserves a better dair, his edgeguard capabilities are so cool but like you miss dair you're pretty much dead

[@Yxngcyborg]

Bro Tea bullying that bowser with PacMan dair had me rolling 💀💀

[@kiiseanrobinson5084]

You should place Corrins down air in busted. It actually two frames if ur sitting at ledge.

[@Electro4890]

Just like I said: Falco S tier. Its B R O K E N

[@weebs1051]

only flaw with megamans is that it can be a little awkward to hit in neutral due to how the move works

[@cyclone6976]

I can’t believe 20 years later falco dair is still busted

[@MetaKnightX6]

Finally a tier list from ESAM that doesn’t cause me pain to look at (though there are still some things I question, like what happened to high tier? 😂 )…