Smash Flash 2 VS Smash Crusade Part 1: 64 Roster

[@Frost-tw4qd]

What makes SSF2 Link interesting is that if you throw a bomb and then shoot at it with an arrow it becomes a bomb arrow.

[@fwemp]

Or you can just shoot with the bomb still in your hand.

[@Frost-tw4qd]

@@fwemp That’s interesting, I didn’t know you could do it that way.

[@IIIISai]

@@fwemp proof?

[@IIIISai]

@@Frost-tw4qd The ssf2 bomb arrow doesn't as much depth to link, ssf2 link is essentially smash 4 link with melee down tilt, and super good stats, ssf2 link is the best in all smashes even ultimate, his stats are way too good, high damage and frame data? I love ssf2 link for how clean he is, although for moveset creativity it's a lazy design

[@fwemp]

@@IIIISai Does it not work for you when you try it?

[@chuko640]

The new 9.5(demo) of Crusade really feels like they're taking it to an entire new level and I am very excited to see the full version out. Now, the only thing missing for Crusade to burst out and expand to new places is...a working online mode.

[@CypherEnerjak]

Fr

[@tales9342]

Please

[@vito6197]

Bro, SONIC AND VEGETA IS FUCKING Amazing. That's all I need.

[@silly_dev1025]

Where is the demo

[@yabusamehoulen7636]

Since version 0.9.3 Lucas was Nerfed a loooot i'm not excited for new version because he was nerfed tho in v0.9.4 so it will be all the same for future versions. So i use Lucas's v0.9.2 Data fighter file.

[@bigkebizino8970]

Bomb arrows are goated in ssf2

[@Pokeblueblur]

Yeah I was waiting for that part as a link main

[@ultrascarlet5275]

He didn't mention it :/

[@IIIISai]

yea but throwing bomb is more viable, bomb arrow though is good for tech chases

[@LunaMinuna]

I’m glad that people are loving Crusade, as a dev on the team this is amazing Also the thing about changing up a character is that if you change a character too much, it’ll alienate a player who came from the og smash and basically force them into playing a new character(IE crusade ganondorf or little mac(who actually came first)) then they made a ultimate little for crusade little Mac for those who liked playing ultimate little Mac

[@XxEnderxX-lh5hf]

I mean, how else are you going to capture an audience when they can just play normal smash, with new movesets to the old characters, it gives an incentive to play and master new versions of the characters

[@riokshutt2115]

@@XxEnderxX-lh5hf because not everyone can play the og smash

[@XxEnderxX-lh5hf]

@@riokshutt2115 then to bad for them lmao

[@IIIISai]

@@XxEnderxX-lh5hf exactly

[@IIIISai]

@@riokshutt2115 anyone who can play crusade can play smash 64 or ssf2, crusade should be creative, because in a flash game with OG movesets ,ssf2 is cleaner then crusade

[@MateusDrake]

I think the list could have benefitted from a "tie" category. These cases were it's a tossup or pretty close could be considered tie, so the points for each game would reflect characters that were definite wins and make them more valuable.

[@tobejiru]

Crusade's visuals is just too much of a hodgepodge for me to really enjoy it. SSF2 has a clear art direction and polish that Crusade sorely lacks

[@Veecy]

I love how the announcers sound side-by-side, with SSF2 sounding a little odd but pretty formal and serious, and Crusade just sounding like the developer opened up Audacity and just said the name of the character in a normal speaking tone

[@polishtoygamer1420]

Here is a few quicks things that got changed(since version 0.9.5 demo came out) Mario has down b, originally from Super Mario Galaxy. It has more vertical knockback, but it's a worse recovery option. Dk hasa barrel projectile for side b and a blast barrel for up b Yoshi has new voice clips Kirby has a new dash attack using his Hammer ability and Buring is his side b Pikachu use voice clips from Pokken Tournament

[@genv02]

The Crusade FS for Captain Falcon is a reference to the anime where he does his final Falcon Punch

[@bluberrydee6205]

can't wait for the MEGAMAN COMPARISON WHERE ALMOST HIS ENTIRE MOVESET IS DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE TWO GAMES THANKS TO HIM HAVING LIKE A THOUSAND DIFFERENT WEAPONS TO CHOOSE FROM WOOOOO

[@senesterium]

We NEED a sequel with the rest of the roster! You make it so interesting!

[@brendanlepeska4295]

The Crusade Luigi final smash is referenced to the elements you use in Luigi’s Mansion.

[@Champion919Games]

no really

[@vito6197]

Can't wait for you to cover my mains Sonic and Goku.

[@zekmaster644]

I thought this video would discuss combo game and how effective certain moves are in neutral, approaching options, etc. I guess this wasn't that type of video though. Still it was cool that we got to see both games side by side, I had never played crusade.

[@Hinokami777]

Yeah he’s talking just the basics for beginners maybe that’ll be his next video

[@IIIISai]

Crusade is quantity over quality, Ssf2 Beta is quality of quantity, although some characters like Goku are horribly designed, and some reskins are also cheap, but compared to crusade ssf2 is First class..I love the crusade 6 player, huge roster, complex controls and finisher bars, but why is only 10/1000 characters properly designed

[@EWOODJ]

That whole “quantity over quality” this is old and dead. The game is still in development and changes to character sprites are being made. Also, they’re fan games. They don’t have to follow the rules of how characters feel or are designed.

[@dracobot2953]

thanks to the power of mods, it is possible to make kirby feel like his vanilla serl, stealing the actual opponent’s ability

[@TheB-Train]

Super Smash Flash carried so many childhoods, including my own. I can't believe that over 6 years later, I'm seeing a video about it. Makes me quite nostalgic, not just for this game, but every game we lost to the death of Adobe Flash Player. I don't even have my own PC anymore to download third-party software and relive this legendary experience.

[@EricVel11037]

4:35. Twilight princess move set! Sick!!

[@damane6280]

I would like to see part 2

[@Wienerdog5]

Part 2 would for sure be more interesting

[@yabusamehoulen7636]

I will foresee that Part 2 is about Melee Characters Part 3 is for Brawl Characters.

[@Wienerdog5]

@@yabusamehoulen7636 yeah that makes sense

[@yabusamehoulen7636]

@@Wienerdog5 i am sure you can think about Part 4 and 5

[@memnook1919]

Yo this video is popping off let’s go 🎉

[@bigkebizino8970]

Thus is sick, please make more

[@MrSmasher]

One thing I like about Crusade is their take on the characters. Ryu has EX moves, Captain Falcon charges his Falcon Punch, etc. It makes it more new and cool, tbh.

[@Hinokami777]

Can you tell me how to add characters ?

[@darkdoctor1915]

Update, hidden skills link in a later update will soon be changed into Dark Link

[@javiermedina9392]

You forgot link's bomb arrows

[@Stranger-exe]

im pretty sure falcon’s crusade final smash is a reference to this scene in the anime kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKrVY6SwmrGAirs

[@alfonsogamer0075]

If we want crusade to win, we need characters that change a loot of moves because ssf2 feels more polished SO that gives ssf2 an advantage.

[@jv.2494]

Grat video man, really loved the wrestling clip edits

[@Aadamisunpopular]

Finnaly someone making a bid on ssf2

[@juanyz5351]

nothing better than kirby doing the naruto run while saying RASENGAN!! with a cute voice

[@kasuheartsrivals]

im a little late to this video, very fun since im not super familiar with crusade, but hopefully one day we can get the same kinda comparison video for rivals workshop smash characters with SSF2/Crusade

[@JoseFlores-ju2ph]

The other crusade link is a reference to the special techniques that you learn from the hero of oot in TP

[@morphstarchangeling8024]

Here's a fun little thing. In ssf2 the special mode has a turbo option that lets you cancel moves into other moves. Jiggs can down throw into sing into down throw into rest for easy kills.

[@xRagingxDemonx]

Is Shadow's moveset good?? I'm curious to see what it looks like. also to answer your question Flash2 is more fast pace and overall every character moves similar to Project M. Not exactly Melee but fast paced and whatnot. They put more time into making the animations and the timing feel more polished.

[@Goopyguts]

I love how calm the crusade announcer is

[@Super-Animation]

Also the thing about changing up a character is that if you change a character too much, it’ll alienate a player who came from the og smash and basically force them into playing a new character(IE crusade ganondorf or little mac(who actually came first)) then they made a ultimate little for crusade little Mac for those who liked playing ultimate little Mac

[@KalaschniKlown]

I really wish the Project Crusade AND SSF2 Teams can collaborate on something big sometime soon

[@ducklett01god]

Super smash crusade flash ultimate &knuckles

[@alecorn5200]

Ive never heard of Crusade before but im glad it exist

[@flygonkerel781]

mannnnnn i remember when ssf 1 came out omfg it was so fun

[@GlitchanBlack]

OK, but why did you not love the anime reference for Crusade Falcon's Final Smash?

[@getoffmylawn6275]

Personally for me it is all about movement when it comes down to a smash fan game. Super Smash Bros Crusades with the ability to switch air dodges to any of the air dodge types in the main smash series. Crusade takes the cake even if some of the characters look a bit goofy.

[@TramiNguyen-oi3kp]

I love these Super Smash Brothers fan games!

[@xbgsheikiii3593]

Bro i started with ssf2 way before playing the og smash, when i saw link couldn't do his arrow bomb in the official games i fekt so betrayed because it was such a good idea

[@maxlimit9129]

The one thing that holds me back from playing Crusade is the animations, they look soooooo unpolished compared to SSF2

[@DavidXtheCosmicGamerOfficial]

I actually got a video on crusade where I was playing with ness and I tried using the up special to launch him upwards, but it by passes through him, it only works as an attack and not recovery.

[@abu-bøqr]

Awesome video, keep up the content!

[@Helios2737]

Crusade Falcon Final Smash could've been so cool if he did the Electrical Falcon Punch from the Fzero anime, complete with the voice clip and music

[@vapor-shadow2815]

A missed opportunity for this is to also mention things like skins, color pallets and little details( i know he sometimes dous but i think that couldve made things more intresting. )

[@Justj5271]

Honestly I wish they'd add Zelda to crusade. I actually enjoy playing as her in the other games

[@tonysledge5718]

Links down tilt in ssf2 is a extremely strong meteor for some reason 😂

[@SomeDiddlyDude]

Almost Every Single Ranking: "I'm gonna have to give it to SSF2. I just like how it controls better."

[@flamingphoenix1425]

Bro really downplayed the F-Zero anime Falcon Punch

[@Luke1YT]

I like smash flash more just because it has bandana Dee. But it’s weird that there is no ddd

[@MarkiplierMeatMuncher8]

I like how 9.5 demo just released not too long after this video lol

[@stray1239]

what's so bad about ultimate yoshi? literally my main :(

[@IIIISai]

he's just floaty and mashy, his moveset is more optimal with mashing aireals, while compared to melee and 64 yoshi he's more grounded and technical

[@collinshaw9577]

There's nothing wrong with Yoshi in ultimate The guy just doesn't know how to play him properly

[@thatisnotdababy9694]

This video blew up like crazy

[@Redstinger99]

Btw the new update came out for the demo for 0.9.5 if you want to play that instead

[@mommyuki]

7:38 he also swings his hammer twice in the air in SSF2

[@jasomega2446]

4:34 N I C E !

[@shyguyisabeast8821]

Wait till he finds out what happens if you fully charge the falcon punch lol

[@mercianthane2503]

Wait... Smash Flash 2 is still in development? I've played that game since its very beginning around 2008.

[@mamodokod]

Smash Flash just plays INFINITELY BETTER then Crusade in my opinion even though Crusade has more characters.

[@baalfgames5318]

Part 2?

[@Inari_YT]

nice vid 👍

[@trevonjones5233]

I feel like to make Pikachu feel different is change his final smash to 10 mil volts and make his up smash into Iron tail for ascetic

[@OhLookItsSeven]

smash flash 2 did everything better imo

[@qtomato3384]

i prefer crusade captain falcon because he has a few voice lines from the melee falcon (especially when he gets ko'd) and i love it

[@AnimatorJsonz]

fun fact: SSF2 Project b patch 8 Mario is SSBU mario for dk fox and the others why they dont have a different color pallete because these are not ssf2 custom sprites they are premade sprites not resprited They might MIGHT get a resprite for custom sprites

[@mandalorianhunter1]

I been playing SSF2 for over a decade and only tried Crusade once. I love SSF2 even though the community can be toxic and I try to stay away from it.

[@elichannel777]

I prefer Crusade, I will admit that I’m the kind of quantity over quality kind of guy😅 but I feel like there is some good quality too! Shadow’s alts refer to Shadow Android and Mephiles, Luigi has a Gooigi alt, Peach has Daisy, etc.

[@elichannel777]

In other words, love the alts

[@mikethompson1653]

Part 2 isn't ever coming out, is it?

[@zOOpygOOpert]

Smash Flash's art reminds me of Terraria's art style

[@wubbers662]

Who did the characters not in Smash better? I say Crusade, because consider Saki, Mach Rider, Porky, Ristar, just to name a few.

[@chibk]

The only thing I disagree with is his take on Luigi. Ssf2 luigi negs bro, mainly due to movement

[@IIIISai]

all ssf2 movesets are cleaner and faster, but crusade is more creative, i understand why he likes crusade luigi more

[@chibk]

@@IIIISai yeah but ssf2 just went over the top with designing luigi. He's too clean

[@Heheboltgobrrrt]

They're adding Tetromino to Smash Flash 2

[@OwangeZenGaming]

Im the 800 sub :)

[@Drako4KZ]

W

[@sonictomine9435]

will u update to 9.5 demo since its put for ssbc or stay at 9.4a

[@MrSMD-rr9xw]

Summation: “it’s the same”

[@cbennett6060]

I would love someone like Terra(Tina) from FF6 as secondary rep for the FF series. No edgy emo boys with swords too big to work

[@timmyb.3426]

Crusade Ness feels better than SSF2 Ness in my opinion.

[@Benjamin-zh8vv]

The Game auto starts after choosing window size (it and skips the intro and even starts the game without even me hitting the Enter button to get into the game after the Title) and I can not use any of the controls except for the esc button and keeps making weird beeping sound. I also can't select any mode on the main menu. How do I fix this?

[@luiiiiiiiiiiigi]

When part 2 ?

[@emanuelepicariello9852]

Make a second part pls

[@elfrangofrito]

"Ness can't do PK Starstorm in his game" I mean, he can't do MOST PK moves he does in Smash. Literally the only PK move he actually does in Earthbound is PK Flash. And he DOESN'T DO PK ROCKIN IN SMASH, WHY?

[@kathyst.george5136]

just wait until you see cmc+v8

[@Zerog41612]

these games are excactly the same they don't change anything from each other according to this guy for every one of these characters aside form like 2

[@astrograph7875]

Why not go over characters from a viabile/competitive perspective? Like combos, frame data, neutral, defensive options, etc. A lot of these characters on the surface look exactly the same so I don't see the point of comparing them from a suface-level perspective.

[@SSBSoundcoreLatino]

O my god

[@jarnmer-l4i]

SSF2 vfx are better but crusade combat feels sweeter.

[@supermudkipz]

Let's jump the gun a little: Crusade Automatically wins because it has Weegee.

[@unidentifiedperson1357]

as an animator and pixel artist, its hard for me to like crusade, because there is no coherent style

[@chaos_crew766]

Where's Part 2?!

[@Wolfie15]

holy

[@dupli_cated]

The fact that SSF2 is locked to 30FPS for me makes it boring compared to SSBC that can be played in 60FPS, also i have seen people arguing about how "bad" the animations are in SSBC but come on if you try to play the animations of SSF2 in 60FPS the sprites gets destroyed

[@nick-cepticon782]

7:55 song?

[@rosepourreza9299]

Someone make this on a game boy advance cartridge please😂

[@Iceman__6996]

I want a part 2 please

[@liamdoes8580]

2:44 he ain't wrong tho

[@cueshq789]

Crusade fox is better imo considering you can waveshine