Snyderverse, The Flash, and The Failure of the DCEU - Video Essay

[@prerna_padma]

Awesome video, really articulated the whole thing properly and had a hopeful ending!!

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

Thank you so much for watching!

[@eltrutflow396]

Damn I’m glad I got recommended this video. Feels like you perfectly articulated my takes on these movies can’t wait to binge the channel!

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

Thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed! These larger videos take some time haha

[@Th3Birdman]

Great video.

[@turtleanton6539]

Yes

[@xanderg.1070]

There’s a KZbinr called Pikashades that has a saying that symbolizes the DCEU as a whole, which is “The story moves the characters rather than the characters moving the story”.

[@Auron1Roxas2]

So a dumbass who doesn't know anything about the dceu, what else is new?

[@yurikendal4868]

I subscribed to his channel. Looks interesting

[@ayiza8511]

Honestly the movies Snyder made feels like they should be at the end of a franchise not the beginning. We should have had a bright hopeful movie whit superman then a slightly darker one whit a younger batman then a Wonder Woman movie a flash and so on then a justice league after a JS two and a second flash batman and superman movie between a year after that I would loved to see a B vs S and sometime after that flashpoint

[@zagariasbooysen7401]

You Guys want to blame someone. Blame Warner Brothers. They are the stupid in this Universe. Greedy bastards. Oh lets rush to try and beat Marvel. Hell they will never beat Marvel the way Warner Brothers run Dc.

[@qinlongfei]

Late to the discussion. But I'd say Hack Snyder would be perfect architect if any studio decided to make a Worm cinematic universe. Considering Worm's story pretty much follows The Watchman's footstep and show what a realistic world with super power (if you ignore the alien space whale giving people parasites which give them super power part) would end up looking. The main character Taylor is every bit the hopeful super hero model one should look up to in a super hero world like Superman and Spiderman. But in worm, she just get her teeth kicked all over the floor not by some super powered shmuck in a Halloween suit (got to love The Comedian as a character even if he's an asshole), but by real life and societal problems that only get exaggerated when super power get thrown in.

[@sangokus6478]

His name is Zack

[@THAMAINMAN2025]

There’s a comic store owner in Las Vegas that STILL claims Flash and ZSJL was a success. He rants about it 3-5 nights/week on his channel.

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

That’s incredible and I love that for him

[@Deep_Armageddon]

I mean .. ZSJL was a success. Any type of numbers you saw from online articles was just HBO Max numbers. Anybody outside America doesn't have Max and the film was even bigger OUTSIDE the US. EVEN SO, the film did awesome. But there really is no convincing ZS haters. I probably just wasted my breath. *Also, I'm not a ZS fan 'cultist' like a lot of people are. I'm just the average fan that dug a little deeper and didn't take articles at face value.

[@geekywatcherreviews]

Good video. It pretty much sums up my feelings for the Snyderverse. My favorite DCEU films have been Wonder Woman, Shazam, The Suicide Squad, and The Snyder Cut of JL (the one Snyder film I legitimately enjoyed.) I'm looking forward to what James Gunn has planned for the new DCU.

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

Loved the first Shazam and Gunns suicide squad. I really am optimistic that Gunn can bring the DCU to some glory. I’ve loved all his casting choices so far.

[@_Tigon]

Can’t say the Synder Cut is a masterpiece of a film but this video essay is a masterpiece. I agreed with everything you said in this video, I’m hopeful for the new future of DC with Superman: Legacy. And possibly…. hopefully too Blue Beetle as well.

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

Thank you so much it’s been a tough week; those words mean so much! ❤️

[@lilmilontiktok]

Great video bro, you got yourself a new subscriber.

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

Much appreciated thank you! Got some more DC/Marvel related stuff coming soon!

[@playererror4044]

My issue with the Snyderverse is how they seam to ve eternally going 'We're not your fathers *Insert hero name here*' but also only make sense if you've read/seen said fathers material. For example the Robin suit in BvS: Yes I know who Jason Todd is, I know the joker killed Batmans second Robin. But does the general audiance? Would they even guess it was Robin with how colourless the suit is? Does Batman come across like he's lost an adopted son? Was it even Jason Todd? We don't know because the film never tells us, why is the suit even in the film? The Joker isn't in BvS! And they don't explain what it meant to Bruce, fans who know the context just have to bridge th gap themselves How it could work in a better cinematic Universe film series, put the suit in the background of film one, don't bring it up just have it there, then in film 2 introduce Tim Drake and make the villian the Joker and dice into how it effected Bruce. But no, thr shits there to be a thing you remember and all the snyderverse movies are like this.

[@alexandelsosa7718]

God I hate Zack Snyders version of these heroes but I know for a fact he would've made an incredible Gods and Monsters movie!

[@narcisosanz8137]

I hate most of what Snyder did with the DC characters, but people tend to overlook how Christopher Nolan was also responsible for Man of Steel. The script was finished when Snyder was hired to direct the movie and, as far as I know, the only thing he changed was the ending, so the movie would be boring AF anyway. Maybe it would have worst designs and fight scenes, since Snyder is great at putting those things together.

[@richardabia9735]

Actually watch the movies to understand and you will see that they are the most hopeful, emotionally depth, human and entertaining versions of the characters and the stories are PERFECT!!!

[@alexandelsosa7718]

@@richardabia9735 no it isn't Zack Snyder literally hates all that kinda complex shit he likes cool fights cool imagery and cool explosions. He has said it himself if no one is killing each other or having sex why am I interested? The good hopeful parts of MoS are obviously the Nolan parts and everything else which clearly look like everything else in the dceu is high action high stakes high production super low character work/motivation.

[@THAMAINMAN2025]

He’s a joke and a hard drive thief. Feige would have pressed charges.

[@aaronmiles2802]

@@richardabia9735You’re a Snyder cultist, get help🤣

[@dinkalicious]

Zack Snyder tells stories like a 6 year old boy.

[@spasebar]

The dude doesn't even understand what makes a person good or bad. They're beyond just being bad movies. They're fundamentally broken.

[@DarkBowserr]

launching the dceu❌ launching the batman cinematic universe✅

[@Galvatron_Studios]

What makes Injustice Superman great is that he had a choice. He chose to become a dictator he chose to kill The Joker instead of mourning the loss of Lois Lane and his unborn child. But Snyder wanted Darkseid to force Superman to become evil which completely diminishes what Superman represents. Superman would never submit to Darkseid all willy-nilly.

[@Peramiiy]

And whats more engaging is Superman is a beacon of light, hope, justice and a hero. Superman killing Joker, turning evil and a tyrant adds more shock value Im supposed to believe Zack with his depressed emo superman who kills villians left and right like Zod, african warlord, doomsday wouldnt go evil? Of course the Snyderbots eat this dumbed down writing like hes a prophet

[@sangokus6478]

​@Peramiiy The war lord guy isn't dead Superman said that he didn't killed these man after the scene, Doomsday is killed in the comics too and Zod is in Superman 2 with Christopher Reeves. Superman also gave his life to save humanity, humans that wanted him dead if you forgot, he's a good guy.

[@sangokus6478]

Injustice comics are saying that Superman can become a fascist. SnyderVerse show that the only way IS to break him by killing his wife and child and using the anti life equation. I take SnyderVerse Superman every days.

[@aaronmiles2802]

@@sangokus6478​​⁠That’s because you worship Snyder, the universe had great moments but it was a critical failure with both general audiences and critics. It’s a good thing it’s being scrapped and rebooted

[@jaredmahoney7234]

My favorite youtuber! Keep it rollin

[@yurikendal4868]

I just dont agree with the synderverse representations of these heroes. It was stupid and shortsighted of synder to corrupt them so. His rebel moon is him being on his own and how horrid his writing was. The synderbros believe we dont get "synder's genius and vision" but yet we do. Its shallow and weak performative nonsense with no real thought behind who the characters were. If synder wanted to deconstruct heroes, by all means do his own stuff and that might have worked. MIGHT considering how trash fire was his rebel moons where.

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

That’s my issue with his fanbase. They really think that the rest of us just “aren’t getting it” rather than seeing through his facade. Upsets me even more when his supporters claim he’s one of the best visual directors ever, it just screams to me that they haven’t seen much outside mainstream flicks. Even then, filmmakers like Spielberg, Hitchcock, Nolan, and even more recent filmmakers like Denis Villinueve do way more interesting and unique stuff visually

[@ripvanwinkle91]

As grim as the Dark Knight Returns is, there's still glimmers of hope or optimism with Robin appearing, him saving people, civilians feeling hopeful again when Batman arrives, Batman preventing chaos and restoring order in Gotham when the blackout happens and Batman still has his moral code still and strives to do good, which is to fight crime and corruption that contributed to the societal decay in Gotham whilst BvS Batman has no morals and is driven by fear of superpowers and rage

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

@@ripvanwinkle91 it’s what Snyder fundamentally misunderstands about these stories he tries to adapt. He looks at everything at a surface level and uses those elements to make films, instead of understanding what made them work on a core level

[@zaberfang]

The DCEU failed because they hired the guy who wanted to create a Heavy Metal Magazine movie universe instead of an actual DC movie universe

[@MyDeeroc]

Sucide dark tone is amazing that comic con trailer is epic

[@Galvatron_Studios]

Recently we got the news that the Snyderverse was going to conclude with a Flashpoint movie and I’m so glad that never happened. He was guaranteed to ruin that story especially after he wasted the Death of Superman arc. And it's not like his version of Flashpoint was going to be any better than the one we got last month.

[@zerogage877]

I don't think it's fair to call Wonder Woman a Zack Snyderverse film since it was written by Geoff Johns who wrote all the best DCEU movies like Aquaman and Shazam and probably could have made their sequels just as good had the directors and the studio not taken over so much control of those projects and ruined them

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

I do enjoy Wonder Woman, but i think it still falls into the snyderverse style. It’s visually more dark and desaturated. More emphasis on being dramatic than lighthearted. IMO there’s a very clear tonal shift after the josstice league fiasco

[@zerogage877]

@@formerfilmstudent8349 you give a truly incredible and in-depth dissertation of the Snyderverse and I agree with almost everything you say, but you don't really get into a lot of the behind-the-scenes Studio drama that was going on and how they initially declared that their comic Universe would be free of jokes and be ultra serious and dark but after the critical and Commercial underperformance of Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad, they change their minds going forward and wanted their movies to be more like the MCU with jokes and some light-hearted moments and Wonder Woman was basically the first movie in their plans that accomplished this. While the Zack Snyder movies had a more David Goyer feel to them because he actually co-wrote most of them, Geoff Johns took over for the writing of the next phase of the DCEU and his style is more like Joss Whedon's, and that is why Wonder Woman definitely had a lot more jokes and lighthearted moments then everything that came before it. But like I said, this was a great video with a lot of incredible points that I completely agree with and you pretty much hit on all the major reasons why ultimately the DCEU is a failure.

[@LaDaleWatsonJr]

The biggest problem I had with the dceu and zack Snyder is batman kill i just don't he should he so much better with him not killing and it don't make sense that joker and harley quinn still alive

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

@@LaDaleWatsonJr yeah fully agree. Snyder directly said in an interview they tried getting around it by having Batman shoot the car that the bad guys were in, which I don’t understand how he doesn’t realize that’s still murder lol

[@theanonymouscritic1710]

Ben Affleck’s Batman was inspired by The Dark Knight Returns. An older, disillusioned, world weary hero who’s been The Dark Knight for 20 years and is beyond his glory days and is thinking “Whats the point?” The city is scared of him, criminals are scared of him, his friends are dead because of him and it’s been one long dowsed spiral pushing him closer and closer to the edge. Bottom Line: “Batfleck” is a Batman who lived long enough to see himself become the villain.

[@othellorucker8107]

Lol Zach Snyder gets to ahead of himself and never cares enough to develop the characters. Man of steel is the embodiment of character development lmao 🤣 rookie

[@unknown-iy2we]

Thanks to Chris Nolan and David Goyer who wrote the script.

[@TreFKennedy]

35:36 facts i want the DCU to be the live action version of the DCAU

[@jimbrown5091]

I appreciate that you didn't take this as a dump on Whedon vamp. People seem to forget that WB brought him in and had him add his "thing" to Justice League. It's not so much "Josstice League" as it is "Corporate Interference: The Movie". Joss was a hired gun, doing the bidding of the C-Suite types. Whedon has his own issues, but ultimately that has nothing to do with Justice League. As far as Zack's version...well...it might as well be called "Focus Group: The Movie". I don't believe that was Snyder's vision, so much as it's a compilation of fixes for all the things people hated about the theatrical cut. It was a fanboy special. I refuse to discuss The Flash. I don't believe in the "Speedforce" or "speedsters" as presented by DC 😁

[@lilmilontiktok]

8:19 EXACTLY!!!

[@sumitgidwani7382]

Am i the only one who liked suicide squad more than batman vs superman?

[@BurakBulum]

Very solid , good points and there are meh points as well , but overall a great video essay

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@prerna_padma]

Yup, they rushed, they always tried to copy the MCU,

[@pootskoot23]

Omg give me a 4 hour infinity war. Yes please

[@romanschautfilme]

I saw BVS in Cinema...it was a claustrofuck, there were like 6 Movies in one...as superman died, i felt nothing, there was no connection to that superman...all i know him for is being sad and destroying Metropolis...then he dies in the SECOND movie?! WHAT?! a guy who sat next to me cried...HE CRIED...i was like "am i the strange one?"....nope, i wasnt xD i mean, how can you cry for THIS superman? A cold, arrogant stud...he was playing bruce wayne xD

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

Same I’ll never forget leaving that theatre with friends and all of just being like “what did we just watch”

[@redherronrecords]

I propose they structure the DCU (or whatever it's called now) around a new character called Slapshot who is played Will Smith

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

Haha I also support this

[@ruliak]

Love the intro! Very jim henson

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

Thanks!

[@GiuseppeMario-d8y]

Snyder Bros? If you really think you'll never see Henry Cavil as Superman again, I have two words for you. _Gray sideburns._

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

@@GiuseppeMario-d8y I’m sure in 10-15 years we’ll get a multiverse type movie for Gunn’s DC and they’ll throw in Cavill as a cameo

[@Kable_TV]

the only way to watch bvs is the extended cut if you want to watch it as a sequel to man of steel. for whatever reason thats just how that movies written, the theatrical cut doesnt make much sense at all. batman vs superman theatrical is nearly incoherent it isnt worth watching

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

@@Kable_TV I’ve seen the extended cut. Personally it makes the story a bit more coherent. But doesn’t save the film for me. It’s still riddled with pacing issues, and bad writing decisions.

[@billmcdermott9647]

How would you have ended WW? If she never found Ares how would you prove to her that Ares isn’t hiding somewhere else or indirectly pulling the strings I think she needed to be able to confirm it there is no Ares

[@albertonishiyama1980]

I think it would be better if she found Ares BEFORE the end. She kills him, the war doesnt end, she attacks the clear scapegoat because "his under Ares influence, so we just need to kill him"... ... them everything goes exatcly how it does on the "first" original ending, since there was no big change caused by her on the history of the World Wars and all.

[@autobotproductions1244]

My idea is save Ares for a sequel and have her fight another villain instead (my pick would be Vandal Savage)

[@addidaswguy]

Say what you want about Snyder, but a HUGE part about how you are saying he "rushes into it" was the higher ups forcing it because they wanted to copy Marvel SOOO bad and get that MCU money. So much of what failed in the DCEU was them trying to copy Marvel, Snyder trying to do a dark tone and WB wanting to change the tone and then finally being able to fully change the tone when Zack had to leave JL. They even messed up the ending of WW, which I really liked but the end part was the weakest part and it was shoved in because minds were changed on whether Ares would be a factor or not.

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

I mean… higher ups… didn’t he and his wife produce man of steel and BvS? I also explained even though it was rushed. The writing was still poorly done and the portrayal and direction of the characters was poorly done as well. It wasn’t just being rushed. It was the overall execution as well

[@addidaswguy]

@@formerfilmstudent8349 I am specifically talking about how the higher ups in WB were trying to force the DCEU into team ups and Into the level Marvel was at from after Man of Steel. And constantly fighting with him over the tone of things, with him wanting it dark and then wanting again, to copy Marvel.

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

@@addidaswguy him wanting everything dark and edgy was part of the issue as well. Making Superman sad, mopey, and depressing is just simply not the character

[@addidaswguy]

@@formerfilmstudent8349 yeah maybe, but if you want to do one thing and the higher ups want to do the complete opposite, I don't care how good you are that is going to cause a whole lot of problems (like the end of the first WW adding Ares and ending up being in a lot of people's eyes the worst part of the film). I love ZS, and loved the DCEU, I'm not saying he doesn't have his drawbacks(the new movie is garbage) but under those conditions the fact that I enjoy them as much as I do is pretty crazy imo. They could've been a lot worse

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

@@addidaswguy to each their own. I’m glad you enjoyed them. Sorry it didn’t work out. I’m hoping the new DCU can really grab fans and keep them satisfied. As it seems only Zack Snyder fans really enjoyed his dc films. And his fanbase alone isn’t big enough to make these films successful. A more hopeful Superman, a Batman who acts like Batman. Everything doesn’t need to be dark and dreary

[@ItalianJew]

Good video but Warner Brothers jumped the gun and forced directions to change for including world building in BVS due to it not grossing $1 billion. Originally was going to be 5 movies for Man of Steel if I remember correctly. Regardless the MOS soundtrack is imo I'm incredible.

[@harrynguyen2503]

I feel like i need to constantly remind people that Zack didnt write man of steel. Nolan wrote it. This version of superman is the way Nolan envisioned it. Zack just directed the movie.

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

Nolan has a story credit but Goyer is credited with the screenplay.

[@harrynguyen2503]

@@formerfilmstudent8349 yup. And Zack had no writing credits

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

@@harrynguyen2503 no but even if a director doesn’t write the script they are the ones who decide the tone and what makes it into the film. I don’t place all the blame on Zack simply just feel his style wasn’t the right one to adapt Superman that’s all.

[@harrynguyen2503]

@formerfilmstudent8349 the dark tone was what WB wanted. Why would you hire Zack Snyder if you wanted to go with a light hearted movie? They knew what they were doing. And the moment there was an ounce of criticism they threw everyone else under the bus. Same exact thing happened to David Ayer.

[@Deep_Armageddon]

​@@harrynguyen2503💯

[@jacobochoa-fy6ve]

I think Snyder’s plan was beautiful, but it was so Retarded that he thought doing a 20+ movie arc could fit with 6 movies, he rushed everything and this is the reason the dceu fell off so hard, the company was terrible to him but he should’ve never done this within 5 movies

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

Agreed it was rushed, and maybe it would have been better if it was spread out. I still feel personally that he just misunderstood the characters, and jumping to things like evil Superman wasn’t the best idea to kick off a franchise.

[@stephendrew4683]

They had to release the Zack Snyder's Justice League because WB/DC destroyed what was started with there version.

[@saintmanuel]

Snyder was a solid choice for Man of Steel and the DCEU and able to deliver a movie, that was divisive and provoking to some extend. He was a bad choice as the architect of the DECU overall and should´ve been a creative advisor, visual supervisor and storyboard artist. I don´t see his strength in writing and directing, but in visual language, visual directing and cinematography. There was a lot of money available at WB DC, as they wanted to catch up with Disney Marvel, but a combination of bad management in combination with the wrong captain sunk the ship before it could reach its first harbor.

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

Fair enough, I still think he would of worked more for Batman. Superman is too optimistic and good hearted for Zack’s style.

[@master2uall88]

Well I can see the way you have no idea what you're talking about seeing as it wasn't Zack Snyder's ideal to rush his movies but the people at the top of Warner Brothers who wanted to get their Christmas bonuses who pushed to have everything catch up to the MCU because they were jealous and wanted that money right away and therefore they push Zack Snyder to keep going Josh Whedon to try to turn it into the Avengers 2.0 and Zack Snyder have nothing to do with it. He did not want to go from Man of Steel right into Justice League and he didn't want to make Batman versus Superman into what it was but the people at the top demanded it goes that fast so don't put that all on Zack Snyder when it was literally everyone at the top of Warner Brothers that get all of it

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

Did Zack and Deborah Snyder not produce most of the snyderverse

[@theanonymouscritic1710]

I don’t care what anyone says Man of Steel is awesome, it presented a more human and vulnerable Superman than we’ve had in recent years. That film works for me because Zack Snyder wasn’t interested in pleasing the fans, it was interested in taking Superman to new places. If by by calling Wonder Woman bright and colourful you mean it looks bland and like every other superhero film, then I agree. The reason MoS and BvS has desaturated colours is because they’re made by someone with his own style of directing, they weren’t all colourful and boring, they were daring, they took chances, they had they’re own style that’s what all the best superhero movies have. Also, Wonder Woman is so not more charming and likeable than Superman. If you think Gal Gadot isn’t the best actress but works really in the Wonder Woman solo film, that’s still not a particularly high bar.

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

Totally respect that point of view!

[@theanonymouscritic1710]

@@formerfilmstudent8349 Thanks man. No disrespect towards you intended.

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

@@theanonymouscritic1710 none received! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I respect the well thought out response!

[@theanonymouscritic1710]

@@formerfilmstudent8349I do however agree with your statement about Wonder Woman being shoehorned into BvS.

[@ijudgeyou9598]

They might try copying DP the Marvel Jesus and make their own DC Jesus

[@shakirghazali2890]

Flash is boring hero thanks to snyder to ruined it hope flash been kick out from justice league

[@zagariasbooysen7401]

You should retitle this to the failure of Warner Brothers and their greed. That's why the Dc brand is being destroyed. I finished Wonder Woman 2017 yesterday and today Wonder Woman 1984. Both films are great in their own way. 1984 is also a sad film. When Diana has to renounce her wish. Love that the Batman v Superman Theme is playing while she is asking everyone to Recounce their wishes. This movie is just getting better and better the more i see it. Also it came out at the Wrong time of Covid. Next Up my Personal Favorite of the DCEU Man of Steel. Thanks Chris Nolan for giving Us the Best Superman ever put on the Big Screen. Loved it from day One.

[@richardabia9735]

WBs fault. The Snyderverse is PERFECT.

[@aaronmiles2802]

Snyderverse had a great aesthetic, but the movies were narratively trash

[@3hillhav]

An adult with a child's attention span. Movies can be over 4 hours long, dear me.

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

Thanks for the thoughtful response!

[@3hillhav]

@@formerfilmstudent8349 You were the one who claimed that "No movie should be more than 4 hours long". That is a child with a short attention span making a general statement regarding the length of movies.

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

@@3hillhav thanks again for the insightful and thought provoking response!

[@aaronmiles2802]

@@3hillhavWe get it, you’re a Snyder cultist🤣

[@3hillhav]

No, I do not like Synder take on DC.@@aaronmiles2802

[@yurikendal4868]

Ive zero interest in what gunn does. All of the recent movies have turned out to be rancid. I dont think gunn can do it. It takes more then one person to make a movie. Gunn alonse cant do it.

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

He’s not alone thankfully. It seems from what I’ve read him and a handful of writers he selected sat down and really hammered out all the announced projects. Not only the individual shows and films but the overarching story of Chapter 1: Gods and Monsters. Just the idea that there is a plan, and it’s not one guy leading the whole thing like Snyder. An actual collection of creatives working in tandem to tell a story

[@aaronmiles2802]

Well hopefully do better than the failure that Snyder put out

[@randynguyen9778]

I much prefer the Snyderverse and the DCEU decline when they moved away from it. Too bad the Gunnverse will fail like the Hamadaverse.

[@aaronmiles2802]

That remains to be seen, what we know for sure is that the Snyderverse was a critical failure with both critics and general audiences. Good moments, but ultimately trash. Good things it’s been scrapped and rebooted. Hopefully there are better days ahead

[@randynguyen9778]

@@aaronmiles2802 They said the same thing about the Hamadaverse which did worse than the Snyderverse, so the only way for DC films to do better is to restore the Snyderverse.

[@aaronmiles2802]

@@randynguyen9778 The Snyderverse has been a critical failure since BvS, general audiences no longer care and it’s nothing more than a jumbled mess. The best thing is a complete reboot.

[@randynguyen9778]

@@aaronmiles2802 Well that's WBD fault for not releasing the Director's cut instead of the actual film which people actually like. The best thing is to finish original Snyderverse story.

[@aaronmiles2802]

@@randynguyen9778 I’m not saying Snyder is solely responsible for the failure of the Snyderverse, however general audiences don’t care about who’s ultimately responsible. What they care about is the fact that the universe was a critical failure. A reboot is the only way forward

[@randynguyen9778]

I disagree Snyderverse really save DC films.

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

Well our opinions aside it most certainly did not save them, you don’t typically need a reboot after something has been saved, glad you enjoyed the films tho

[@randynguyen9778]

@@formerfilmstudent8349 But people reboot things that are great too. Also, with reboot they don't often work. Thanks I did enjoy the movies.

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

@@randynguyen9778 I don’t think they were really saving DC tho. They constantly received poor critical reception even at times poor audience reviews. And despite being profitable were not making the kind of money that WB wanted. Between bad reviews and underperforming box office numbers they definitely are a failure as a whole. Personal opinions aside.

[@randynguyen9778]

@@formerfilmstudent8349 Well to be fair it was mostly due the studio who believe the negative talk about the Snyderverse. If films didn't make the money from what the studio wanted then why is James Gunn in charge The Suicide Squad did horrible numbers.

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

@@randynguyen9778 the suicide squad came out at the height of covid when theatres were doing poorly in general. Nothing was making money. Also I don’t doubt the incredibly poor reception of David Ayer’s suicide squad had an impact. Who wants to see a sequel to a universally panned film? Review wise though Gunn’s suicide squad is one of the highest rated in all of the DCEU. And his 3 guardians films are way way better received than most DC films. I do agree the studio did interfere and rush Snyder, but his flaws as a filmmaker, lack of understanding of the characters, and inability to craft a cohesive story in a normal runtime without some long winded directors cut were also instrumental in the failure of the DCEU

[@dante6563]

4:00 yes

[@lilmilontiktok]

There is no marvel formula and marvel isnt a comedy. Even if it was, that’s not a bad thing.

[@formerfilmstudent8349]

Idk most of the complaints about the MCU especially phase 2-3 were that the formula was repetitive and all the films looked and felt the same. Same visual styles, shot on the same cameras, same flat color grading palette, and the same story structure for a lot of the films. Also being a comedy isn’t bad, but thor love and thunder sacrificed story and character for silly jokes. Same with ant man quantumania. To each their own tho

[@lilmilontiktok]

@@formerfilmstudent8349 I agree with your comments on love and thunder and Quantumania.

[@prerna_padma]

Yup, they rushed, they always tried to copy the MCU,

[@prerna_padma]

Yup, they rushed, they always tried to copy the MCU,

[@SuperAz1981]

Personally you can do a team up movie early if the story is good but the foundation was unsustainable as a lasting universe. Especially when you kill off the face of the universe in his second appearance

[@SuperAz1981]

And further it is getting the most criticism for not copying the MCU formula. A DC shared universe is damned if you damned if you don't because of how long it took them to get started in the first place. They had been trying to do a Superman Batman team up and JL movie since the 90s and they could never make it work

[@prerna_padma]

@@SuperAz1981 true,i agree