So, does Iron Man 3 actually work better in 2013?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Here's a link to the Google Drive timeline documents: drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1R_PrexMkTjYpQAraxlhzs2U5EPJEPioc. If you'd like to join the discord server, here is a link: discord.gg/aboeMCU. There are over 800 members so far. Love to have you be part of the conversation!

[@spider-dude2476]

Do you think the MCU timeline book will explain where the spider that bit Peter came from?. Because all we know it happened mouths before Civil War.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@spider-dude2476That would be amazing if it covered that. I fear that it won't, but we can always hold out hope!

[@spider-dude2476]

@@AbitofEverything4U I just hope the book explains when and/or were it happened in the timeline.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@spider-dude2476Totally agree!

[@njeffries]

I always assumed that Disney placing Iron Man 3 after The Dark World was their way of saying Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. wasn't canon. After watching this analysis, it really does make more sense for it to still be canon, which really excites me because I think Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is one of the best shows Marvel has ever done!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...the more I think about it, I actually think it works just as well in 2013 (maybe even better) and has no impact on Agents of SHIELD to move it there. I always wondered why they didn't specifically mention the events of the Iron Man 3 movie in AoS, tbh. And now we know!

[@TheBrokeGeek]

Some good arguments there (and the shout-out is much appreciated)! On a slightly different note, I'm not sure if people recall, but there was an official MCU timeline that was included with the 'Art of The Avengers' book. Interestingly, they used a similar dating method to the Star Wars universe in which all events were marked as occurring either before or after a certain point (in this case, Tony's declaration that he's Iron Man). So events were were listed as X years or days before Tony Stark reveals himself to be Iron Man (BIM) or X days/months after Tony reveals himself to be Iron Man (AIM) - no actual dates were shown. Between the release of the Avengers art book and the upcoming MCU Timeline book, an updated official timeline with temporal markers of some sort was never released. However, we know Marvel Studios have been keeping track of continuity, with director Jon Watts revealing that he's been shown a scroll with the MCU timeline on it. How accurate this scroll is and how closely all directors and writers have to adhere to this I'm not sure; it may have been a loose framework so they don't contradict themselves too badly, allowing MS to date certain films/television shows at a later time, like...now. Ha ha. Also, if anyone is interested, please check out my 'Marvellous Synergy' series of books. I cover how the MCU films were made, the various comic book references, deleted scenes, and filming locations. At the moment I have books covering the first three phases - you can find them all on Amazon. I also have a podcast imaginatively called 'The Marvellous Synergy Podcast'. I haven't released a new episode in a while, but there are two special eps which cover my time as a background extra on 'Shang-Chi' and 'Thor: Love and Thunder'.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, one of the reasons I wanted to give you that shout out (in addition to the excellent point you made) was to give a subtle plug for what sounds like some amazing books that you have written. I'll have to check them out myself! Also, I love that timeline from the Art of the Avengers book. It seems, for the most part, that they have stuck with that. It was the first timeline to really lean heavy into Fury's big week and it breaks it down literally day by day. The only think that they seem to have retconned is that the timeline placed IM 1 in 2009 if you do some clever math. However, it seems the timeline book is going to movie IM 1 to 2008. I'll be doing a video on that move soon. Fun stuff!

[@TheBrokeGeek]

​@@AbitofEverything4U awesome! Let me know what you think of the books when you do. Can't wait for your next video!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks!

[@Zanetto]

Even though I’ve always been a firm believer of Dec 2012 placement, after watching this video I must admit that by placing IM3 in 2013 makes much more sense. Great work

[@themuppetdon]

I believe the reason that they rarely put dates into newer MCU projects is so casual fans and viewers don't get confused about why it's saying 2025 or 2026 in a film/show released in 2022 or 2023.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Agreed...I definitely think that after the 5 year jump, they are hiding the dates alot more. It was shocking to see the 2025 date in Ms. Marvel, tbh.

[@SeanWheeler100]

They really should have put more dates in the post-Endgame projects. Before Endgame, it was easy to assume that the movies were set around the time of release, but that big time skip puts the MCU into the future.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@SeanWheeler100 Preach it!

[@krzyszwojciech]

I'm not so sure All Hail the King should affect The Winter Soldier's placement. Some of the shorts are basically part of the narrative of an earlier movie, an addendum, they go together - they are almost like extended post credit scenes (or preludes). It only makes sense to watch AHtK immediately after IM3, instead of waiting. That's what D+ timeline reflects, I think, at least in this instance.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

My apologies, I didn't explain that very well in the vid. I was basing the new date for CA:TWS on both the D+ timeline and the Index that was released on Amazon. Using the Index, we know that IM 3 is in Dec, 2013, with what appears to be the end credit scene in Jan, 2014. We know AHTK and CA:TWS are both in 2014. Then, we know that there has to have been some time pass between IM 3 and AHTK, since Trevor had made friends (and enemies) and had done several interviews. So that puts AHTK in spring of 2014 and thus moves CA:TWS to spring as well.

[@jpyanity443]

As great as it is to get an official marvel timeline. I think I would actually appreciate more, a sister book to it that’s just full of all the explanations and sources for why they put movies where they are in the book. It would be really helpful to know going forward, what sources are more trustworthy than others, and what details in the movies should take priority

[@MrGeoff-iv6re]

Yeah, I guarantee they haven’t thought about the placement of these movies as thoroughly as the community has.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Totally agree! That would be amazing. That said, you can count on me to document all of that in my videos, but I'd much rather it be in an official book from Marvel!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@MrGeoff-iv6reSadly, I agree. That said, it's amazing their timeline is still pretty well intact. But I do wish they had someone on staff that was really paying close attention to the details!

[@MrGeoff-iv6re]

@@AbitofEverything4U They need a full time continuity/timeline manager! I nominate you or Dakota from Geekritique!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@MrGeoff-iv6reOh my...I would do that job for free...heck, I'd even pay Marvel to be able to do that job. That would be so amazing!

[@samfabrega5583]

Can’t believe IM3 is in 2013. Seems so strange after all this time. Keep up the good work!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Ikr? I had it in 2012 in my timeline since...well, since the movie came out. So this was a shock...but honestly, I do think it works out well. So I'm down with it!

[@elicortez446]

6:10; when Tony looks through AIM’s files and footage, the dates are 2009, so that’s 3-4 years of extremis perfection before IM3 and AoS.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point!

[@shaved_wombat]

Me when ABOE started talking about AOS: ‘This does put a smile on my face..’

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Love AoS! Such an incredible show!

[@angel0217]

After 10 years of viewing Iron Man 3 as a 2012 movie, it's really hard for my brain to see it happening a whole year later. But with all the arguments that you point out, I think I can get used to it eventually. The change doesn't destroy the timeline or anything like that.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I'm in the exact same boat. Even since it came out, I assumed it was a 2012 movie, so it was pretty jarring to realize the timeline book was going to place it in 2013. But I'm coming around to it now, as it does make alot of sense. So glad they are fixing that issue with Obama and Ellis. That always bugged me, tbh.

[@BrySchec]

Your part on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. makes a lot of sense. When I heard the show brought up in the recent video, I was really confused as I had not remembered any events of that movie being brought up in the show. Glad to hear this cleared up. Also, I'd argue that Tony has had his anxiety all the way up to his death as his fear of something worse (Thanos) dominated all of his decisions we've seen him make following Avengers 1

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I'll be honest, it always bugged me that the AoS episodes didn't mention the IM 3 movie. I was like, "c'mon Coulson, look up on the computer to see what happened when Stark had issues with extremis". But now we know the answer...IM 3 hadn't happened yet during the extremis storyline in AoS. Makes perfect sense!

[@wraithadler]

Next month is October 2023 Endgame timeline! OMG, TIME FLIES😱

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Isn't that crazy...and the timeline book comes out around the same time. Wild!

[@jonahnichols1]

As an AoS fan, I will still just enjoy the show while watching the movies in release order so that nothing feels out of place, and like I said in a comment on one of the previous videos, maybe in the AoS universe the movies happened in times that fit the show better.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yup, I think you could be right about AoS being in a different universe. It looks more and more like that each day.

[@QuartersAlpha]

Thanks for the shout out! Overall, I am feeling better about this placement the more I think about it. Two things: 1. Without trying to delve into tense waters, I actually have a different theory for Ellis. My guess is he was a top Republican Senator/governor or something along those lines. As politics usually go, Obama was probably blamed for the attack on New York (and possibly some of the other attacks prior to 2012), which resulted in the other side gaining momentum for making promises of safety. I assume something similar will happen in Captain America 4. This also makes sense with stuff like the Iron Patriot, since Republicans tend to be more gung ho in the flag iconography, which also makes sense that Ellis would have his quote in the Captain America museum, even if he wasn't president at the time. It fits with the jingoistic vibe. And his previous job as an official would still help with him helping fat cats and such (which is another common criticism of Republicans). 2. Do you think they will ever just come out and say whether AoS or Netflix are canon or not? I know they are trying not to burn bridges, but this is getting old. They just need to pick an answer, and stick with it.

[@eagc7]

i don't think they will at least not for now. But lets have our eyes on Daredevil: Born Again, as that could at the very least end the debate on the Netflix side of things.

[@markdarc0448]

For 1. I totally agree. For 2. Feige has said on numerous occasions including this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sIqze6embdqLZqssi=tmkNirdvr9RZ0grY Saying that the shows are canon. This doesn’t mean they fit perfectly in the mcu. Just as with something like the iron man timeline being wrong because of several statements where it can never be right, or homecomings blatantly wrong 8 years later statement there’s continuity errors. There always has been and there always will be. But nobody argued iron man isn’t canon, so why do they do it for the tv shows when they do the same thing? This is a huge cinematic universe and they’ve gotten plenty of things wrong. Just because some show stuff is wrong doesn’t make them not canon. But even still I don’t think we have anything blatantly wrong, just some stuff that needs an explanation. Agents of shield for example fits better then iron man and homecoming, so why is it’s canonicity in question but those aren’t? Because it was made by someone else? So is Spider-Man. So again why is this even a question? I really don’t get it

[@QuartersAlpha]

@markdarc0448 I'm fine whether the old TV stuff is canon to the sacred timeline or not, the only reason I wish they would settle the matter more definitively (as in, actually within the movies and not just random and/or old statements) is because if they are truly canon to the main timeline, I want them to actually be able to utilize those characters and stories. That way they can bank that extra character development. Take Daredevil in She-Hulk. I don't feel the same way about him if he's a new version of the character as opposed to being the Netflix one, because if he is new, that is a whole new branch of development to consider. Doesn't mean that he is a worse character, he's just different. I know this is a more controversial take, but I think an example of this going wrong is Logan. Frankly, the Wolverine in Logan just isn't the same character as the older movies. The timeline is so fractured in that universe that by the point of Logan, they are just creating an all new character for a one off story they want to tell. The only problem with that is the story is trying to treat it like the end of an Era, but in actuality, it's just a one and done but with actors you recognize. While it still has impact, I think it is lessened by how it treats the continuity. I just don't want something similar to happen in the MCU. I just want embracing the old, or a true clean break, and leave the rest for the multiverse. Hopefully Born Again answers the question.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I was so glad to give the shout out...Your point made so much sense and several commentors on the video have agreed with you. As for Ellis being an R, I think that makes sense and works out just as well as him being part of Obama's administration. And as for the pre-D+ shows, I agree, I just want Marvel to make a decision and stick to it. Hopefully they will do that at some point!

[@markdarc0448]

@@QuartersAlpha imo they have stuff like jarvis coming back, the aos reference in aou, bringing Charlie cox back even going as specific as bringing back the cuff links from kingpin in hawkeye. They’ve even come up with explanations such as saying the darkhold in agents of shield and runaways is a copy. If that doesn’t show you that they’re all canon idk what will. That’s pretty definitive imo

[@n.s4122]

I just want Agents of Shield to get recognition it deserves.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Preach it! It's such a fantastic series.

[@pizzatime1146]

Originally I wasn't fully on board with Iron Man 3 in 2013 but im warming up to it. This video did really help with it. Hopefully the book clears everything up.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I didn't really like it moving to 2013, but the more I looked into it, the more sense it made. And I agree, hopefully the timeline book will make it even more clear!

[@dragoncyclone_4421]

Narratively 2012 makes more sense, but i did always find it weird tony was able to build 30 something specialized suits in 6 months

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, it definitely feels like 2012 makes more sense...but the 30+ suits, plus the weirdness with Ellis overlapping with Obama's presidency makes me like 2013 better in the end.

[@e-scope]

The whole point is that he hasn’t been sleeping or eating or taking care of himself because of his PTSD and he’s been fully focused on making suits. Not to mention he 3D prints most of the suits so once he designs them it doesn’t take long at all to make them

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@e-scopeOh, I agree, it's possible to have made those 35 suits in 608 months, but it just seems hard to believe they would all work and have been fully tested. As for his PTSD not kicking in until mid to late 2013, my dad suffered from PTSD due to the Vietnam war, but it took a few years before it really impacted him noticeably. Then it became crippling for him once it finally hit. PTSD doesn't have to take affect right away which the Mayo website explains, so it could have been a slow nagging feeling for Tony ever since Avengers, and that led him to slowly build out the suits and then the anxiety got worse by the time of Dec, 2013 like we see in the movie.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@LeRoi_Rodriguez_JrThanks!

[@mandalorianjedi232]

I’ve figured out the exact placement of this relative to agents of shield using the MCU wiki between episodes 12 and 13 ep 12 occurring on December 15/16/17 and episode 13 occurs on the 29th and iron man 3 occur from the 20th to the 25th

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Niiiiice! Yep, I think you nailed it.

[@doriandaykin2747]

Ultimately, it doesnt matter too much imo. Timeine consistency is good, but as long as all set-ups and pay-offs are in order, and nothing contradictory occurs, its ultimately ok.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...the overall story is much more important than a few lines that get tweaked over time. Well said!

[@doriandaykin2747]

​​@@AbitofEverything4Uthe only D+ timeline placement I could consider problematic is Love and Thunder and She-Hulk, because of the Lady Thor line in She-Hulk. If a new viewer watched in the provided order, this could cause confusion.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point! Yes, I do wish they would have put it in April, when the first major event in the movie occurs...i.e. Jane's blood test. I definitely think it should be watched before She-Hulk, and I even think it makes sense to watch it before Moon Knight and Wakanda Forever, as Gorr could be imagined to be the reason that the gods are in abit of disarray during Moon Knight and why Bast doesn't respond in Wakanda Forever.

[@darpavader4811]

I just wanted to add that the party in Switzerland is for New Year's 2000, not 1999. So if you're remembering back, you'll remember 2000, not 1999. Hope that makes sense. Love the channel.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Correct, the scene flashes back to 1999 (i.e. Dec 31, 1999) to celebrate the year 2000. So I had initially assumed the main part of the movie was in Dec, 2012, as Dec, 1999 + 13 years would be Dec, 2012. But it seems they were instead taking Jan, 2000 + 13 years to get Dec, 2013. While it's still less than 14 years, it's like 13 yrs and 364 days, which is kinda odd. But, it's the best way to make it work, it seems. Let me know if you think that sounds right. And thanks so much for the positive comments about the channel. Really appreciate it!

[@MasterDSuomi]

I have never given a thought to this :D. I have just watched these in the Disney+ order and didn't think about the timeline before I started to watch your videos

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I love looking at the timeline as it can give an additional perspective on what's happening when you see how it all fits together. And in this case, even with the D+ timeline putting Thor:TDW and then IM 3, I still assumed that most of IM 3 was before TDW. But it was a real eye-opener for me to realize the entire IM 3 movie is in Dec, 2013. It honestly makes it fit alot better. Anyway, thanks so much for watching the vids and sharing your thoughts. I really appreciate it!

[@mds_main]

I still think that Iron Man 3 was conceived as a December 2012 event, at least when it came out, but they clearly changed their minds afterwards, despite me still thinking 2012 works better overall, but I like your explainations here. Just one thing about the Winter Soldier placement: it's been a while since I've last seen AoS first season, but I don't remember them explicitly mentioning winter. I remember one of their bases during that time being in a snowy area but, I mean, snow can be present outside of winter too.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I've had IM 3 in my timeline in 2012 since...well, since it came out! So I was really surprised to see it in 2013, but I do think it works better. I'm so glad it gets Ellis out of Obama's presidency term as that was a total error on their part. As for Winter Soldier, there are a few issues. In S2 E1, Talbot says "we've been hunting for you all winter". So if the last several episodes of S1 are in April, that line doesn't really work. Then, there is a mention of there being several months between the end of S1 and beginning of S2, so that would put the start of S2 in July-ish timeframe. Then, in the episode that crosses over with Age of Ultron they mention it's been a year since Ep 1. But if Ep 1 is in July, then the AoU crossover is in the wrong month, as that movie is in May. I don't think any of this messes with the overall story, but it just makes some of the lines get retconned abit.

[@mds_main]

@@AbitofEverything4U Ok I see what you mean now. Well, the movies lines got retconned too in this whole ordeal so I'm not too much concerned.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I totally agree...I don't have an issue with this changing some of the lines in AoS. The overall story is intact and I've always liked CA:TWS in April, 2014, as that's when it came out. So I think it all works fine in the end. Honestly, if you watch AoS w/o thinking about those lines from a timeline standpoint, it all flows just fine.

[@Fourmath]

You should have another video like this for all the other weird placements it look like they did. The weird placements being: Iron Man 3 (This video) Eternals Thor: Love & Thunder Moon Knight Werewolf by Night

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent idea! I could throw in IM 1 as well, as that's been a placement of debate for quite awhile.

[@Fourmath]

@AbitofEverything4U I'm not as big of caring about the year for an MCU project as long as it's in the correct watch order. So Iron Man doesn't bug me, but the others do because it switches the order

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Ah, that makes sense. Okay, I'll focus on the ones that switch the order first. Excellent point!

[@TheMattLuigi]

I remember seeing Iron Man 3 in theaters. Was my first Marvel movie I saw on thr big screen. I don’t care what people say, I love this movie.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...I've never understood the angst about that movie. Sure, I thought the Mandarin was actually going to appear, but the surprise twist was awesome and I loved it!

[@TheKonradhehe]

Iron Man 3 being in 2013 works much better with AoS now in my opinion. It's acceptable that sheild/hydra knew about extremis 2-3 months before Tony. And I always had The Winter Soldier on April 2014 in my timeline. Yes, the book doesn't iclude those shows but it also doesn't include shorts, official comic book preludes etc. On the other hand we know that Echo and Born Again will reference seasons 1 and 2 of Daredevil.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, the more I looked into it, the more I felt that IM 3 in Dec, 2013 doesn't hurt AoS at all. In fact, that article by the Exec Producer made it sound like they came up with things on their own and only tied the AoS and IM 3 together once they knew more about the IM 3 plot. And I do like CA:TWS alot better in April. Not sure it works very well with agents of shield's timeline, but it's really just a few statements here and there that are going to be retconned...the overall story works as is.

[@zamirvelazquez4968]

This can easily be explained by saying iron man started at the end of 2012 and finished in 2013 and they just decided to put it where the movies climax ends (to be more a specific Christmas 2012 to new years 2013 feels believable to me)

[@MrGeoff-iv6re]

I guess, but you kinda get the feeling that the movie takes place over the course of one Christmas season not an entire year.

[@zamirvelazquez4968]

@@MrGeoff-iv6re it felt like Christmas to new years so only a couple weeks really

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, for the longest time I've assumed IM 3 is Christmas, 2012. But the index for the timeline book definitely places the movie in December, 2013. Plus, I have to admit that I really like the movie in 2013 to get around the issue of overlapping with Obama's presidency.

[@MatthewK122]

Hope coulson and Maria hill need to return to mcu, Coulson should become second commander of sword and really hope Nick find a way to bring Maria hill back but in secret underground agent director

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I'd really like to see them come back somehow. I do fear Hill is dead for good and I fear Marvel may let Coulson remain gone, too. But I loved both of those characters so much!

[@mds_main]

I doubt they will revive Hill, but one way to do it would be to use the AoS LMDs like they did for other characters in the show.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@mds_mainI'd be down for an LMD Hill!

[@CJ-vd6po]

Besides movies like captain America and any Post Endgame, most of the movies should take place in the year they came out. Ironman 3 came in 2013.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...that's another good reason to make it in 2013!

[@Sean-bf3lh]

Yes it does work for the simple fact that the time it takes to build 80 plus versions of his iron leagion suits makes sense

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right...I'm really warming up to the 2013 date, tbh. Good point about the Iron Legion suits!

[@TheDrexLord]

Honestly I always assumed it was 2013 until recently, simply because of the amount of suits he has made, I know he was working all night but making 35 suits in a few months doesn't completely link up in my head for whatever reason. It also gives him time to use the suits, and not just make them then not wear it and make another. Rohdy also has a new suit, and the mk22 was ment to be a war machine suit. And Tony also did renovations to the house, with making the basement bigger to fit the suits. And I always did 2000+13 not 99+13

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yep, I think you had it right from day one. All of your logic makes perfect sense!

[@nonyia17]

So close to 10k subs love your channel and all of your content!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that's really exciting. Will be so nice to hit that milestone. Thanks for noticing!

[@Merione]

I agree that the Disney Plus timeline is accurate for the most part. The only issue that timeline has is the fact that it's forced to be presented in a sequential format, so movies (and shows!) that overlap must be necessarily placed side by side, and that might introduce some confusion. I'd love it if they showed a tree-like diagram like the one you have, but even if they don't I'm super happy the timeline book is just around the corner, so that we can finally see what they truly meant for a lot of those placements.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree, the flat line nature of the D+ timeline isn't idea. That said, if they put the months/years of each entry underneath, then we'd have a real nice situation. But yeah, I can't wait for the book to come out. So excited to finally have the timeline officially laid out!

[@mayo4660]

Opinion before the video: I am convinced that 2012 makes so much more sense if only because of the 13 years after 31.12.1999 After the video: ok it makes a lot of sense I still think its a bit strange that 2 people do their math "wrong" but the kids explanation is really good and also it solves the presidentcy problem. So all in all it makes acually more sense, I guess i learned something today. Thx for this perspective

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I'm totally with you on initially liking 2012 better for the placement. I've assumed it was 2012 ever since the movie came out. However, after re-considering it, 2013 has really grown on me. I'd honestly never given it much thought, but I like 2013 better now, even with the strange math. Thx for watching the vid and sharing your feedback. Really appreciate it!

[@julianortiz5712]

Solid analysis! I don't know if I necessarily LIKE it, but you certainly bring up a few good points I hadn't considered like the time it took Tony to build the 35 suits. I guess most of the 2012 hints (like the 1999, 13 years later) CAN be explained, even if some are sloppily explained. Once the timeline book comes out and lays out the facts, I may even accept the 2013 placement.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, can't say I love that placement...and I probably just barely like it...but, I do appreciate that it makes the 35 suits fit better and it fixes the overlap with Obama's presidency. Can't wait for the book to arrive!

[@TheTuxedoCat-sh5fn]

I like going by CA:TWS showing Oct 2013 dates, which would explain no Shield in IM3. Especially since they were a supporting presence in the first two movies and Avengers 1

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I've always found those 2013 dates interesting. I wonder if that was an accident or if there was ever a time that it was planned to be in 2013? Would be fun to talk to a VFX person to find out the story on that!

[@Cris00900340]

I do think Iron Man 3 in 2013 is a recent decision, previous official timelines and guidebooks placed it in 2012

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Agreed...it's been pretty well assumed to be 2012 for quite some time. I will admit, however, that I like 2013 alot better in regards to addressing the mess with Ellis and Obama's presidency overlapping.

[@Celebok]

It still annoys me that IM3 itself was written like it was taking place in December 2012, and the writers of AoS had IM3 in mind when they wrote the Extremis bits, and Marvel is now reconning it to be in 2013, basically forcing us to figure out how to make it all work. You did an excellent job of making it all work in this video, so yeah, I'm happier knowing that these are not necessarily blatant contradictions, but still, they made us have to come up with clever explanations like these to make everything fit. All because of Marvel's... reasons? I mean, you made a really good point that President Ellis's term makes a lot more sense now, but is that the main reason why Marvel placed it in 2013? And I've lost count of how many times we've had to come up with explanations to keep AoS potentially still canon after Marvel thoughtlessly trampled over its lore.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yep...great commentary. It's a strange movie as I've assumed it was in 2012 ever since it first came out. However, I do think it was a major mistake for the movie to place itself in 2012 and yet also contradict the fact that Obama had been heavily hinted at being president, especially in Avengers...which is of course also in 2012. And it always nagged at me that AoS didn't refer directly to IM 3. Like Coulson never said "check the files on that incident with Stark", etc. And of course the 35 suits of armor in 6-8 months was very odd, but ig I just assumed Tony was going off the deep end. So while I absolutely think it was intended for 2012 by the writers, I wonder if the director stuck in the 2013 newspaper date because he didn't like all these inconsistencies. In the end, I'm warming up to 2013 because it actually seems to fits better, other than the very weird math of 1999+13 = 2013. Wild stuff.

[@markdarc0448]

Totally agree that this fits better in December 2013. Some of the lines are a bit weird, though, things like being 13 years later from essentially the start of 2000, but that being the end of 2013? That’s pretty much 14 years, so that’s strange math, but given clear in movie dates and this seemingly being their stance in the timeline book we can’t really deny it. I mean ultimately marvel could come out and say something crazy like actually iron man 1 is in 2012 figure it out and there’s not much we could do. But thankfully this work’s pretty well, i still feel like marvel needs someone a bit better thinking through all these things or at least better communication with its fans to say yea we placed this here for this reason here’s how these “plot holes” can be explained away in some cases. Over these past few years with things like cap in endgame coming back and she hulk and Shang chis timeline, we can make it work with some explanations and it makes sense but I wish they just made this all clearer for fans where we didn’t have to come up with these explanations. I wish it was just very clear oh yea Shang chi takes place before she hulk and cap came back to the sacred timeline. Some throwaway lines about how hulk met some new guy and has been training him to be an avenger or cap saying after Peggy died so he decided to come back or something like that would make this all so much easier.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Preach it! I totally agree with everything you said. I really do hope things keep getting better from a timeline standpoint with Marvel. They made it through the craziness of the pandemic and the push for so much quantity from Chapek. So hopefully after this strike ends, Marvel can make a strong run up to Secret Wars and provide a very coherent timeline along the way!

[@Surfboarder4]

this may be another eternals situation where they clearly intended it to be a year earlier then later it just sorta moved

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Well said...I think it was intended to be and also assumed to be Dec, 2012 for a long time, but honestly, it sorta feels better in 2013 after I've looked over all the reasons for it.

[@WeldoYT]

Can't believe the time between iron Man 3 release and Infinity war is same as infinity war to now

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Wild...I hadn't thought of that...very interesting!

[@biggestnerdalive8476]

I don't think so... I just think it's better that Tony has PTSD soon after the Battle of New York rather than an entire year

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I definitely agree that I thought the same until I read that info on the Mayo website about PTSD and anxiety attacks. I will also say that my dad eventually suffered from PTSD after the Vietnam War, but it didn't hit him for several years afterwards. So PTSD can affect everyone differently, it seems.

[@BookofCommonTerror]

I still *prefer* it being set in 2012, but it totally makes sense if you don’t think of IM3 showcasing the onset of Tony’s symptoms. He’s probably been having anxiety attacks not long after the Battle of New York but a couple months after it he begins doing what he always does: tries to solve a human problem with an engineering solution. And again, while I prefer Christmas 2012, it does make sense for him to have 20 months to not only construct almost three dozen new, highly specialized armors and also to vet them for combat and rescue operations.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@BookofCommonTerrorWell said...I agree, I suspect he was having symptoms of PTSD starting soon after Avengers, but they weren't crippling until the beginning of IM3, such as we see in the restaurant.

[@jathanportis8432]

I will go find your video but Winter Soldier clearly takes place in the spring...there are green trees, same is jogging in the beginning in shorts. Mornings in DC are like mid 30 degrees....U see no snow, nobody is bundle up....Winter Soldier is clearly in the Spring. And yes, you have sold me on Iron Man 3 taking place in 2013. So yeah, i will me it after Thor The Dark World. And all of the shows are canon to me. I don't need any official word....Great video

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I really do like Iron Man better in 2013 now that I've mentally processed all the reasons it works in that year. As for Winter Soldier, I agree, it's in the spring. Here's the vid on that: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2PNo4uBgNuZY9E.

[@MrGeoff-iv6re]

It doesn’t make sense to me that Tony would be just starting to experience his PTSD a year and a half after the battle of New York rather than six months after. I just get the feeling that Marvel Studios doesn’t really care about correctly placing their movies in a coherent timeline anymore. Don’t get me wrong, they are still my favorite movie studio creating my favorite franchise but I feel like they don’t do the continuity research as well as the community or the fans do.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I'm with you...I felt that same about his anxiety attacks being 20 months later. But the Mayo clinic article said it can happen years later and I can say that's true, as my dad suffered from PTSD as a result of the Vietnam War and that didn't start to affect him until several years later, when it then became crippling for him. Our brain is a strange beast and it can hide a traumatic event deep in our memory until it finally comes crashing out. So I think that aspect of the movie works fine in 2013, tbh.

[@BookofCommonTerror]

I just don’t think he’s only *beginning* to experience his PTSD symptoms during IM3; whether it’s 2012 or 2013, it seems clear to me Tony’s been having his attacks for a while.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@BookofCommonTerrorI agree...I think he had been experiences slowly growing symptoms over time and they finally became crippling by the time of the movie, as we see when he has the massive panic attack at the restaurant.

[@jrsr-cd8kx]

whatever shane black says ill go with. that man is a genius

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...Shane Black is amazing!

[@ManLikeGoodFilm]

One disadvantage to it being in 2013 is that it is only 1 1/2 Years before Avengers: Age of ultron so Tony giving up being Ironman doesn’t have as big as an impact.

[@Cris00900340]

I don't think Tony ever truly gave up being Iron Man during that time

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree with @Cris00900340...it seems he never really gave up being Iron Man...he perhaps tried to for abit, but I suspect he changed his mind soon after blowing up the suits.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@Cris00900340Agreed.

[@brobs0463]

I can’t wait for this timeline book to come out and be torn apart by fans, or maybe it’ll be completely correct and clear everything up. Either way I can’t wait

[@AbitofEverything4U]

In a way, I wonder if it was a good thing that the index gave us the timeline, as we can get some time to think it over before seeing it officially in print.

[@MattPerk7]

Do you think it would make more sense if Ellis was the Attorney General instead of vice-president?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Not a bad thought. I could see that happening as well, as that would directly tie to the line about getting the fat cats off.

[@christopherlee8989]

Iron Man 3 takes place at Christmas six months after the avengers It's in 2012

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yep...I definitely understand why you feel that way. I have felt the same for...well 10 years now, since I first watched it in 2013 when it came out. But I do think that alot of evidence points to 2013, such as fixing that terrible mistake where they overlapped Obama and Ellis' presidency. Can't believe they messed that up. Oof!

[@itsjaymedia6130]

Ellis’s presidency actually lends way more credence to 2013! Assuming obama wasnt elected for a second term in the MCU his term would be from 2009-2013 leaving ellis to be sworn in on January 20, 2013 so it works!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...that's what really makes this placement work so well. I'm very glad they changed it to Dec, 2013.

[@hogrida4577]

I really hope we see agents of shield again🙏🙏

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, would be great to see them again for sure!

[@BlackHedgehog]

I honestly think it's fine in 2013 even with that Winter Soldier/AOS stuff. Otherwise a really great video as usual.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much!

[@loganelkins8961]

I always thought it was in 2013, but I really didn’t care for iron man films in general. I know that’s a steaming hot take, but I just always assumed everyone took a break if possible after avengers. But honestly it’s just always made more sense just like you said in this video. But I’ll tell you this the only good thing about 3 is Trevor everything else didn’t matter to including timeline I just love my boy Trevor lol

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Trevor was great...so awesome he returned in Shang-Chi and will be back again in Wonder Man!

[@TheDukeCountyGaBoy01]

I find it iron man 3 a vert underrated that’s why I like Tony’s story with the pstd from a person someone has anxiety

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...I thought it was great that they dealt with anxiety attacks and PTSD.

[@TheDukeCountyGaBoy01]

@@AbitofEverything4U not good man least you fought it and got help

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yep...always important to work on mental health!

[@javierchairez2045]

What if the beginning Agents of Shield S1 is take place in early 2014, If It works for after Iron Man 3 because of the extremis reference.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good question. I think the series needs to start in the fall of 2013 for a couple of reasons. 1. It needs some time to develop before the Winter Soldier crossover, which is in March of 2014. So it would be pretty crunched from a timeline standpoint if it didn't start until early 2014. 2. There's the image of Ward's access being granted on Sep 9, 2013. They show it really prominently, so I think they wanted it to be viewed as an official date. Sometimes a date is really hard to catch and only visible if you zoom and enhance, but that date was shown in a way that makes it seem they want the series to start in the fall of 2013. Honestly, I kinda like Iron Man 3 happening later in sesaon 1, because I always wondered why they didn't pull up the files on what happened in that movie and why they didn't reach out to Tony for his expertise on the issue when they encountered Extremis in the series. If the movie hadn't happened yet, that actually makes alot of sense. Anyway, just my thoughts on it. Really appreciate you watching the vid and sharing your feedback. Thanks so much!

[@benedwards2566]

Since AoS, and Netflix won’t be included in the timeline book would you agree that it’s no longer canon?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I'm really bummed, but it's very hard to defend the idea that those shows are canon to 616 based on their exclusion from both the D+ timeline as well as the timeline book. I suspect they will be considered an alternate timeline off of the main 616 and so we could see them re-appear in Secret Wars when we see characters from different universes appearing, but I agree, it's hard to imagine them still being canon to the main universe

[@ThatSpeedrunnerGuy]

I wasn’t convinced when it was revealed to be in 2013 but after this it really makes sense

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I'm really coming around to it as well. It seems to work better in 2013, tbh.

[@ThatSpeedrunnerGuy]

@@AbitofEverything4U ye to the average person who doesn’t put much thought into it its defo confusing but when you think about it makes MUCH more sense

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Well said!

[@waltascher]

I disagree that Tony needs more than a year to make 35 suits. For one thing, he made the mk II in about a week - 8 x 4 is 32, so it’s plausible, especially since a lot of these armors are just variations of the same design (this one has one piledriver, this one has two, etc). The other thing is that we don’t see him use most of these armors until the end, and none of them seem particularly well made. Tony and Rhodey keep hopping from suit to suit because they keep getting destroyed. I could be wrong, but I’ve always inferred from the movie that these armors weren’t quality but just a way for Tony to fill his time, and that’s why he didn’t have any problem blowing them all up at the end.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I never had a huge issue with Tony creating all those suits of armor between May, 2012 and Dec, 2012. But that said, since Marvel is going with the Dec, 2013 date for the movie, I think the longer gap fits better in the end. Plus, love that it solves the issue with Ellis' presidency, as that's bugged me for a long time!

[@darthdragonborn1552]

That’s actually a very good explanation as to why those suits were like like paper compared to every other movies lol.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@darthdragonborn1552Good point!

[@JoshRead]

best way to end the day with ABOE

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Aww...thanks! Hope you day was an enjoyable one!

[@onftbb]

Lets hope the timeline book actually, really puts all this to rest

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Amen to that!

[@TrumbullComic]

You make a decent case, but I still think that Iron Man 3 makes a lot more sense in 2012, both because of Tony's PTSD and because I can't believe that a literal genius like Tony Stark would not be able to do the math on a kid's age to say if he'd be 12 or 13 years old. But we'll see if the book has a justification for it when it comes out. I'm glad the first movie is in 2008, at least.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I'm definitely thinking IM 3 was intended for 2012 and the 13 years later part is honestly annoying if it goes in 2013. That said, if it fixes the total screw-up with making Ellis presidency overlap with Obama's, then I like it for that reason alone, tbh.

[@realjohnlove]

Is the movie occuring December 2013 or January 2013. Because if its 13 years later from 01/01/00 thats 01/01/13 I’ve always considered Iron Man 3 as more a New Years movie similar to Trading Places which also goes through December & Christmas but ends on New Years. Do we know the months?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great question. Based upon the location of the movie in the index for the timeline book, it is the last thing in 2013. It comes after Thor:TDW. So it appears to be Dec, 2013. Of course, we'll know for sure when the book arrives in just over a month!

[@realjohnlove]

@@AbitofEverything4U I mean, is it possible that they placed the conversation with Bruce & Tony as happening after Thor the Dark World because the entirety of Iron Man 3 is Tony recounting to Bruce about his journey dealing with his PTSD, what he put Pepper through, removing the arc from his chest. Is there any confirmation of how much time past between him retelling the story & when it actually happened?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

The reason I'm fairly certain that the entirety of IM 3 is in Dec, 2013 is that the index shows Malekith being listed in the timeline book before Maya Hanen's entry. So that implies the entirety of Iron Man 3 is after T:TDW. Then, they seem to be placing Bruce talking to Tony (i.e. the end-credit) in early 2014, but the rest of the movie is at the very end of 2013. If you haven't seen it yet, you might check out my vid where I go through the index and the placements: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYu8gZV_hpWMmdk. It's pretty interesting to see it laid out like that!

[@realjohnlove]

@@AbitofEverything4U Malekith would also go back thousands of years, but even if its based on the present time of Thor The Dark World, could be a time of space time & relativity. It might still be a wait and see

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh, actually, it isn't just Maliketh (I picked him at random). Jane Foster is also listed in the index and her entry ends right before Iron Man 3 picks up. So I'm convinced T:TDW is right before IM 3. We'll find out soon!

[@timtyson3910]

I like agents of shield but at this point it's looking less and less canon

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Sadly, I feel the same way. Sigh.

[@Volvagia0slayer]

I still have issues with the language Killian uses to describe Ellis's involvement. It seems way beyond the level of VP to me, so I'm still not a huge fan of 2013 personally.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Someone suggested that perhaps Ellis was Attorney General under Obama. Then, Ellis would have been able to directly impact the "fat cats" getting off. That would make alot of sense. I admit, I loved a 2012 placement for IM 3 for the longest time, but the idea of getting Ellis' presidency to no longer overlap with Obama's is enough for me to be good with it moving to 2013, tbh.

[@giovangciccareli1829]

Dude just move Winter Soldier to April 2014, its the only thing that makes "majority sense". All we have to screw up the timeframe is one Talbot reference to winter, which can be ignored. Even in Agents of Shield, post Winter Soldier its quite obviously spring, if not early summer. If we can excuse the "8 years later" reference in Spider-Man Homecoming we can excuse a one- off Talbott reference. So, in relations to AOS when does IM 3 take place? After season 1, ep 10, which aired on Dec 10, 2013 and the next episode picks up 3 weeks later?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree, Winter Soldier can fit nicely in March/April and AoS actually has hints that this placement makes sense (Talbot line aside, ofc). If you haven't seen my vid on the Winter Soldier placement and AoS, you might check it out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2PNo4uBgNuZY9E. As for AoS and IM 3, Ep 12 (Seeds) involves them taking what seems to be mid term tests, placing it in December, so IM 3 would likely take place after that episode.

[@24_Bricks]

It works better in 2012! I’m sorry it just does

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I suspect you are not alone in feeling that way. For me, just the fact that it solves the issue w/ Ellis overlapping Obama's term is enough to make 2013 a favorite.

[@gingerJay]

best channel on youtube :)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much...I really appreciate that!

[@zamirvelazquez4968]

My headcanon will always be Christmas 2012 to new years 2013 because of agents of shield

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I'm with you on that. I didn't honestly see way to make it work in Dec, 2013 in conjunction with AoS. That said, it was a breakthru when I realized they never mentioned the events of IM 3 in the show. I remember that seemed odd to me at the time, as I figured they would have been like "remember that Stark incident" or "what about those exploding people last year", etc. Due to that, it might actually make more sense that the movie happens after those episodes, in a way. But, I do still totally understand your hesitation to let go of the Dec, 2012 date.

[@zamirvelazquez4968]

@@AbitofEverything4U I’m actually on my first watch through for the whole mcu with the Netflix series being apart of everything and watching agents of shield split up and how much it connects to everything is absolutely amazing. I feel like it’ll be such a disservice to say it’s not cannon

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Agreed...I hope it remains canon...it ties in so well to the movies!

[@RexSalazar-h5f]

It keep on moving AoS to less and less canon (they could have put some agents in secret invasion {which would have made the show more watchable} i would be supporting AoS cannonisty more) also the darkhold looking nothing like movie darkhold

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I was really hoping we'd get some of the AoS appearing in Secret Invasion. But I am holding out hope that we see Quake return at some point. As for the Darkhold, the good news there is that in Multiverse of Madness they said that all versions of the Darkhold are just copies of the version on Mount Wundagore. So it's actually okay that the versions looked different. So at least that issue can be explained.

[@Raphentei]

14:34, the what series ?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Sorry, my enunciation is terrible at times. It's the MPower series. This article goes into it, if you are interested: www.marvel.com/articles/tv-shows/mpower-now-streaming-disney-plus And it is currently streaming in D+. I really enjoyed it!

[@zedrang]

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[@AbitofEverything4U]

Best of luck!

[@amur1317]

No… not happy, Iron Man 3 takes place in December 2012, end of the line, official MCU timekeeper is wrong, D+ timeline is wrong, MCU timeline book is wrong…

[@AbitofEverything4U]

LOL...yeah, I feel your pain. I've liked 2012 alot better ever since IM 3 first came out. But I do have to say that the issue with Ellis presidency overlapping with Obama's always bugged me. So a 2013 placement does at least address that issue.

[@MattPerk7]

I want to say this about Agents of Shield. I really love that show. In fact, I think I love the show more than I love the Marvel movies. Early on, I really wanted it to be considered Canon because there was so much potential there. During the first two seasons, it really felt like it was connected. However, when the movies refused to acknowledge anything about the inhuman contagion spreading through the fish oils, which was a really huge world-changing big deal, I could tell they were going in two separate directions. I brushed It off, but it bothered me. When season 5 ended and they went into season 6, it was obvious they took two completely different directions with the Battle of Wakanda in Infinity War. At this point you had to jump through hoops while doing cartwheels to find a way to argue that Agents of Shield was still Canon to the MCU, but I suppose it wasn't completely impossible. Then, WandaVision happened. The Darkhold in that show was so completely and remarkably different from the Darkhold in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. that we just cannot pretend anymore that there's any reason to believe that the two are connected in the same universe. I suppose we can make multiversal arguments but there is no way that the show is Canon to the sacred timeline. It is simply not possible. That's not what I want, I wish there was some other way to look at it, but that is just the fact.

[@biggestnerdalive8476]

yeah my biggest thing was that the blip didn't happen, wasn't acknowleged, nor did anyone get blipped. that was what I thought.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yep...I've pretty much come to accept that the writings on the wall for the show being canon to 616. It works as a separate universe in the multiverse, but not in 616. I do wish Marvel would just come out and say it officially, so we don't have to keep wondering, but I think you nailed it. As for the Darkhold, the good news there is that in Multiverse of Madness they said that all versions of the Darkhold are just copies of the original text which is located on Mount Wundagore. So it's actually okay that the versions looked different. So at least that issue can be explained. But the other issues you raised are definite concerns.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@biggestnerdalive8476Yep...the blip not being acknowledged was a big deal for sure.

[@mds_main]

I don't those are problems. The darkhold "problem" was already explained in this comment thread, but the blip thing also isn't a problem. The blip happened offscreen, nobody of the agents was snapped (just like the og Avengers weren't) and the sixth season is set after a year with the seventh one being set in a different timeline (and they return to the normal MCU one with the Quantum Realm at the end). It is very normal that they didn't mention it considering all of this and everything they were doing during that time (like Sarge), but we actually saw some effects of it like Shield used it as a way to come back as a legal organization again and we see Mack on a hiring spree probably because half of the people working at Shield got dusted. To close this comment up, let me ask you this question: do you also believe Ms Marvel season 1 is not canon? I mean, that series happened after Eternals and it had a lot of MCU references in there, but they never once mentioned Arishem appearing in front of the Earth or the Celestial in the ocean. By your own logic Ms Marvel is not canon.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@mds_mainExcellent comments. I completely agree on the Darkhold not being an issue. And you raise a good point about Tiamut. That said, the blip was such a massive event that it's still surprising it was never mentioned. But regardless, I still consider AoS canon until Marvel officially says it isn't. That's why I wish they would just come out and answer it once and for all.

[@aminaabdulaziz8452]

Aldrich killian vs thanos or ironman mark 42 vs thanos

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I suspect both would lost to Thanos...but you never know...

[@lakuseq]

Your explanation seems reasonable as always so I'm blindly believing you.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks, that's so nice of you to say. That said, feel free to throw tomatoes at the screen if you ever dislike a video! lol!

[@jathanportis8432]

Black Panther takes place before Black Widow.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Hmmmm...well, the timeline book has Black Widow happening before Black Panther. Black Panther starts about a week after Civil War (based on the quote at the beginning of the movie) while Black Widow picks up right after Civil War ends.

[@Sean-bf3lh]

Netflix shows and agents of shield is not cannon unless they tell us in the book to me those series are multiverse connon

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I am beginning to think that you are right. I'd love for them to be 616 canon but I do fear they are being moved to the multiverse instead. Oh well, the stories will still exist, so that's great!

[@QuoteBlink]

Because there's number 3 in 2013, so I like the placement

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Dang it...I should have included that reason in the vid!

[@LostinaMemory]

It was always in 2013

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I'll say as someone that thought it was 2012 for the longest time that I'm now convinced that 2013 is the right timeline placement. Great feedback!

[@TheDukeCountyGaBoy01]

Will exam it soon the dark world first then iron man 3

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Awesome! I bet that will be fun to review those movies!

[@TheDukeCountyGaBoy01]

@@AbitofEverything4U seeing them back to back what timeline saying wonder it will work for timeline I got a theory why 2013 works

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great! Hope the theory works out!

[@TheDukeCountyGaBoy01]

@@AbitofEverything4U yeah I told You it yesterday

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@TheDukeCountyGaBoy01Excellent...that was a good theory!

[@OrangeJambo]

👏👏👏👏

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks! 😊

[@madhavgupta2002]

it works better

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yup...totally agree!

[@robertangus616]

I'll admit that I haven't watched the entirety of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. but I have watched up to the end of season 5 and while I think it is a great show I don't think it works as part of the same continuity as the Marvel Studios MCU projects becauseit just convolutes everything. The way I have always viewed the TV is the same way as I view Avengers Campus in Disneyland and Disney World, the MCU is cannon to the shows but the shows are not cannon to the MCU. When the book comes out we will need to look at the character pages for these specific characters. Phil Coulson, Peggy Carter, Daredevil and Kingpin as they are the only Marvel TV characters to be in the main MCU

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, much as I love the show, I do fear that Marvel will end up treating it as a separate continuity. And in the end, I'm fine with that, but I do wish they would just state it one way or another, rather than leaving it so ambiguous. Hopefully we'll get an answer one day.

[@TevyaSmolka]

i think iron man works in 2013

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I'll be honest...I have assumed it was Dec, 2012 since...well, since the movie came out. But looking at all the facts, it really does seem to fit better in 2013. So I'm sold on it!

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@AbitofEverything4U indeed

[@Capybara_Productions]

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[@AbitofEverything4U]

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[@Capybara_Productions]

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[@AbitofEverything4U]

HIJK...LMNOP...

[@johnkellis5999]

Some people think that Agents of SHIELD is not canon but MCU wiki fandom timeline thinks Agents of SHIELD is canon want to you think

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I've always taken the position that it's canon until we are definitely told otherwise. But I am worried about it, as the show isn't in the D+ timeline and it isn't in the timeline book coming out next month. So I am fearing it will eventually be de-canonized. Sorry there isn't a more definitive answer, but I can say that for now I consider it canon.

[@captainjakemerica4579]

Yay Barack Obama was president in the MCU so glad he's confirmed sure do hope Donald Trump isn't confirmed

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, it was so nice to see Obama get established as president. It's always bugged me abit that it seemed Ellis was overlapping with Obama's term. But IM 3 in 2013 works perfectly!

[@captainjakemerica4579]

@@AbitofEverything4U yeah and it also makes sense that Tony Stark waited a year to go to therapy to process what happened after the events of The Avengers

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Totally agree!

[@captainjakemerica4579]

Yes I'm honestly fine with the Ritson being a fictional stand-in for him

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@captainjakemerica4579Yep, that may well be the case!