Sociologist Reacts to Shi'a Reverts

Why do some people embrace Specifically Shi'a Islam?
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[@tausifshadlee]

"If I understand Islam correctly, you don't persecute people for their believes." - 1:08 highlight of this video

[@aarizbaten7957]

AFTER LISTENING TO ALL OF THEM SHUKER ALHAMDU LILAH 🤲🏼 I'M STILL A SUNNI MUSLIM

[@musicisdead411]

this is a really interesting video!! i had a similar phase in uni where i "converted" to shia islam because it had the spiritualism i felt missing in my practice of sunni islam but due to some disagreements with shia fiqh, i decided id change my practice of sunni islam instead

[@williambarylo]

I follow sunni mahdhabs by default because I've been socialised/married into sunni communities. However I wish there was no such divisions. It's very tiring

[@rcmysm9123]

The Quran answers this. Don't follow your family just because that's how you have been socialized, search for and follow the truth. Alhamdulillah!

[@stephenconnolly1830]

@@williambarylo- I totally second your sentiments. My in-laws are Shi'a, fine people, but I don't agree with the basis of either their school of thought or those of the other traditionalists. For me "Muslim" is quite sufficient as a personal label.

[@stephenconnolly1830]

@@rcmysm9123- there is no such thing as "the truth" except where God is concerned. For humans, beyond certain axioms etc, there are "truths", each having its own evidence.

[@rcmysm9123]

@@stephenconnolly1830 I understand, you are not a believer in Allah swt and His messenger then to say such things. Whether a disbeliever or a hypocrite, Allah swt. has already explained you to us.

[@pellesvansl]

as a convert you can't choose, you are guided to some direction that should suit your inner constitution

[@williambarylo]

Ok

[@stephenconnolly1830]

​@@williambarylo- "Sunni" and "Shi'a" are highly artificial labels in any case. It is possible to be a bit of both.

[@williambarylo]

@@stephenconnolly1830 100% agree

[@rcmysm9123]

​@@stephenconnolly1830 You cannot love Ahlul Bayt and those that usurped, cursed, abused, fought and killed them.

[@rcmysm9123]

@@stephenconnolly1830 Shias are the real sunnis that actually follow the sunnah.

[@user-mh2og8yl9x]

انَا اختكمَ مَن اليمَن وّالَلَه ماتكلمتَ الَا من جوّع وًّمن الفقر انَا وًّامَيَ وًّخَوًّاتَيَ تَشَرَدَنَا مَنَ بَيَوًّتَنَا بَسَبَبَ الَحَرَبَ نَحَنَ فَيَ حَالَهَ لَايَعَلَمَ بَهَا الَا الَلَهَ حَسَبَنَا الَلَهَ وًّنَعَمَ الَوكيَلَ فَيَ مَنَ اوًّصَلَنَا الَى هَاذا الَحَالَ 💔💔وًّالَلَهَ الَعَظَيَمَ مَا كتَبَتَ هَذا الَمَنَاشَدَهَ غَيَرَ مَنَ الَضَيَقَ وّالَفَقَر يَاعَالَمَ حَسَوّا فَيَنَا ارَجَوّكمَ وّالَلَهَ الَعَظَيَمَ رَبَ الَعَرَشَ الَعَظَيَمَ انَه الَاكلَ مَا فَيَ عَنَدَيَ بَالَبَيَتَ وًّالَلَهَ يَا اخَوّانَيَ انَهَ خَوًّاتيَ بَقَعَدَوًّ بَالَيَوًّمَيَنَ مَافَى اكلَ وًّالَلَهَ وًّضَعَنَا كثَيَرَ صَعَبَ نَحَنَ 6 نَفَرَ دَاخَلَ الَبَيَتَ وًّابَيَ مَتَوًّفَيَ وًّلَا يَوًّجَدَ مَنَ يَعَوًّلَ عَلَيَنَا وًّسَاكنَيَنَ فَيَ بَيَتَ اجَارَ لَانَسَتَطَيَعَ دَفَعَ الَاجَارَ الَلَيَ بَاقَيَ عَلَيَنَا ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' اخي اول كلامي انا اقسم بالله على كتاب الله اني لااكذب عليك ولا انصب ولا احتال اني بنت يمنيه نازحين من الحرب انا واسرتي بيننا ایت الشهرب 15 الف يمني والان علينا 45 الف حق 3 شهور وصاحب البيت من الناس الي ماترحم والله يا اخي انه يجي كل يوم يبهدلنا ويتكلم علينا ويريد من البيت للشارع لانناماقدرنا ندفعله الأجار شافونا الجيران نبكي ورجعو تكلمو الجيران ومهلنالاخره الأسبوع معادفعنا له حلف يمين بالله هذا بيخرجنا إلى الشارع رحمه واحنا. بلادنا بسبب هذا الحرب ولانجد قوت يومنا وعايشين اناوامي وخواتي سفار والدنا متوفي الله يرحمه ومامعنا أحد في هذا الدنيا جاانبنا في هذه الظروف القاسيه خواتي الصغار خرجو للشارع وشافو الجيران ياكلو واوقفو عند بابهم لجل يعطوهم ولو كسره خبز والله الذي له ملك السموات والارض انهم غلفو الباب وطردوهم ورجعو یبکو ایموتو من الجوع ما احد رحمهم وعطلة ردها لقمت عیش والان لوما احدنا ساعدنا في إيكيلو دقيق اقسم بالله انموت من الجوع فيا اخي انا دخيله على الله ثم عليك واريد منك المساعده لوجه الله انشدك بالله تحب الخير واتساعدني تراسلي واتساب على هذا الرقم 00967717415667 وتطلب اسم بطاقتي وترسلي ولاتتاخر وايعوضك الله بكل خير ساعدنا وأنقذنا قبل أن يطردونا في الشارع تتبهدل أو نموت من الجوع وانا واسرتي نسالك بالله لولك مقدره على مساعد لاتتاخر علينا وجزاك الله خيرا،.،.،:^:؛^:🎉°~°~^~°^π√^π√~π~√~√~π^~^~π~π~√√~~ππ~π√~~^^°^°€€لب🎉🎉❤❤🎉......

[@shinwaramin8582]

its more about label than believes ,,, i know many Shia who have same believes of Sunni Muslims ,, but a little bit extra love for ali , hussen ,,, and alot of them say there is no difference between us (Sunni Shia) and they consider sunni people muslims ,, specially young generation ,,, and if we treat them nicely and debate them nicely ,,, even those who have some extreme idea and views will become more moderate and come back to true path ,,, we need wisdom and wise people ,,, may god increase wise people among us

[@williambarylo]

insha'Allah Ameen

[@rcmysm9123]

Did Abu Bakr name a successor?

[@aarizbaten7957]

​@@rcmysm9123 HOW OLD ARE YOU?

[@hussein2043ppppp]

mashallah, thanks professor for spreading such wise words, yes, unfortunately shias get so much unjustified hate, my theory is that it is a divide and conquer plot that muslims should not fall into, and this goes for both sides of course, while discussion should be instead practiced as this where we can understand and accept eachother, sunnis and shias are one 🙏

[@williambarylo]

Thank you. Wise words

[@aarizbaten7957]

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU READ FROM A SPECIFIC SECT WITHOUT THE HELP OF A LEARNED SCHOLAR TO POINT OUT THE MISTAKES AND TO SHOW THE WEAK HADITHS

[@tausifshadlee]

2nd Highlight, from 10:12 "These people, who embraced Shia Islam after being Sunni, I think they hold us a mirror to how do we present things and what make them make the jump and reject in the first place Sunni Islam because of what people said or how they behave? So how does our behavior or our words impact the perceptions of Islam & Muslims and others? That's the question!! Are we turning people away or are we being examples??

[@rcmysm9123]

Allah swt guides and those who follow His guidance are the Shia of Ali ibn Abu Talib (as).

[@matinsafari8995]

Allhamdulillah i’m the shia of prophet (sa) snd his family

[@wewenang5167]

The way Shiites talk about shiism is the same way Christians talk about their religion...just using emotion without logic and knowledge xD

[@williambarylo]

I think in every school of thought and religion you'll find people like that

[@rcmysm9123]

Abu Bakr and Umar deviated from the sunnah of prophet Muhammad pbuh similar to Paul corrupting what Jesus pbuh brought. Sunnis are the "Christians" of Islam following deviation from the Quran and sunnah.

[@alenezi989a3]

Calling them reverts is bit much, Sunni and Shia are both muslims, the disagreements between them are very minor, even if some would like to pretend they're not. Changing from Sunni to Shia and vice versa is not really a conversion or reversion, is just a change in understanding these minor issues.

[@f1aziz]

Nope, the aqeedah of Ahlul Sunnah is different to Twerlver Shia Islam. These differences in aqeedah are stark, you could only downplay them out of ignorance or carelessness.

[@williambarylo]

Yeah I wanted to focus on people who are Christian/agnostic and go directly into Shia Islam but then I found it interesting to add those who go from sunni to Shia however I'm not sure there's a term for describing it

[@alenezi989a3]

@f1aziz I downplay them because I was raised as Shia and changed to "just muslim", their Aqeeda is not different they belive in Allah, his prophets, his books, his angels and the judgement day paradise and hell. These are the 5 tenants of Aqeeda every muslim believes in no matter what sect and shia and sunna believe in them. Now they believe in extra things like welaiat Ali or the Twelve Imams after him, Welaiat Ali both Sunni and Shia agree on but Shia add it as part of the shahada, the Twelve Imams however is where we disagree, Imams are all great muslim scholars and Sunni muslims believe them as part of the Salaf, where we differ is that Shia think they are chosen by allah to be Caliphates after Ali . And that's not really an important enough subject to make it like Shia is a different religion. Shia are muslim they agree with us on Aqeeda and the 5 pillars of Islam, everything after that is minor.

[@f1aziz]

@@alenezi989a3 So why did you change to "just Muslim"? Why not just continue being a Shia?

[@alenezi989a3]

@f1aziz I don't believe the Twelve Imams as that's the most important to being considered "Shia" , I also don't agree completely with everything Sunni muslims believe, so I consider myself neither I'm just a muslim. And as far as I know the Prophet pbuh was neither.

[@Mission_Ummah]

Assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu brother William, the problem with shia is the mainly because it goes beyond political issue of the past, the modern scholars tried hard to create a narrative in order to push into a conflictual relation against others. The sunni's are basically the muslims, the fact that we put a label was actually because the shia did not follow the sunnah of the prophet but the sunnah of their imam. Furthermore when you look at the text you will find out that they mainly follow two of their twelve imam (for the twelvers) and that the asnad (narration chain) is always composed of one of four persons described as compulsive liars, manipulators. For more details you can just look at Adnan Rashid channel on youtube. I hope you will let this comment in the section because it is important to let people know that it is not somehow a conflict between two groups, rather it is more a comprehension problematic. We don't understand Islam the same way, because the basis of Islam in Shia is not preserved and they prefered to take their imams as the continuation of the prophethood sometime believing in their intercession... In sha Allah they will come back to the only reality of Islam, ameen

[@williambarylo]

If people were able to have constructive conversations I'm sure there would not be as many divisions and people would focus on much more serious and pressing issues

[@Mission_Ummah]

@@williambarylo i understand and i will soon try to start my channel in sha Allah, because here in France the situation is worse every day that passes, there is a clear division in two groups, and muslims are becoming more and more victims without having people representing them

[@AgentHashim]

Honestly, i just see it as a identity label. I don't like how we are dividing ourselves as Muslims. I prefer to call myself as a Muslim that's it. Although i do tolerate these people, after all it's between them and God. I have friends regardless of their religion, if they are making a world a better place, i am happy for them. Also i agree so much with you at the end, most of the time it's not about the text, rather the influence of surrounding people and how they present things. This can be a powerful tool which can be used for good/bad purposes depending on person. I wish Muslims represented the Islam correctly but that's not true. Many more people would embrace Islam if we present Islam correctly to them but again nowadays religion is being used for their own gains. I want to hear your perspective about this.

[@williambarylo]

Completely agree!!

[@Bombo10]

There isn't one single convincing argument from them as why they have chosen shia over sunni islam.

[@williambarylo]

I don't think they want to convince anyone. People's choices do not always follow logic or reason, it's often very subjective

[@rcmysm9123]

Shi'ism is following logic and reason, more importantly it's following the Quran and the real sunnah.

[@aarizbaten7957]

​@@rcmysm9123 LOL SORRY BROTHER. BUT YOU JUST MADE A FOOL OUT OF YOURSELF

[@rcmysm9123]

@@aarizbaten7957 Well at least you were humble enough to apologize before saying such a false statement. Alhamdulillah!

[@aarizbaten7957]

@@rcmysm9123 WELL FIRST YOU SAID SHIASM IS FOLLOWING LOGIC AND REASON. THEN YOU STATED THAT MOST IMPORTANTLY IT'S FOLLOWING QUR'AN AND SUNNAH. THAT'S WHERE I SAID YOU MADE A FOOL OUT OF YOURSELF. I'M GLAD YOU FELT THE SINCERITY OF MY APOLOGY IN ADVANCE. ANYWAYS, DUE TO YOUR STATEMENT QUESTION ARISEA OF WHETHER HAVE YOU READ A QUR'AN WITH TRANSLATION?

[@isamkamel]

There is no Sunni or Shiaa: both are political enterprises

[@relaxedmonster]

I am a Syed. My family has been following Shiaism for generations. Then my great-grandfather left Shiaism and decided to practice Sunnism. I have gone through life with a choice of Shiaism or Sunnism. My sister is more into Shiaism and I am more inclined to Sunnism. We both discussed the topic of what happened and why it happened in the past. Who was right and wrong. I listened to her whole opinion and found it all emotionally driven. I was also emotionally touched but that was not enough for me to pick Shiasm over Sunnism. My focus was on the fiqh rulings which I didn't discuss with her. Yes, I have a love for my elders, Ali RA, Fatima RA, Hassan RA, and Hussain RA but I would not like to build my faith on emotional attachment to a wrong done to someone. The concept of the importance of Ahlul bayt is there in my family and people give a lot of time to us if they know we are Syeds. But the concept of right and wrong is more important to me which I don't find appealing in Shiaism. In the end, be a Muslim rest is not important and Allah will not ask you about history. He will ask you about you.

[@williambarylo]

Well said. Everyone has their own sensitivities but some things are more important than others on the day of judgment

[@fasiullah226]

I am against calling our self shia or sunni we should just call our self Muslim.

[@moteenhussain6234]

Yes i agree as Allah swt and our prophet pbuh mention the believers as muslims, this whole sunni/shia concept creates a divide whereas islam has come to unite us all as muslims worshipping Allah swt alone and none of us are better than the other regardless of our financial situation or language or skin colour or status except the ones that compete to do more good deeds, so really this needs to stop and now to all of you muslims out there calling yourself sunni/shia this does not exist there is no such thing you are just a MUSLIM!

[@williambarylo]

💯

[@rcmysm9123]

To be a true Muslim is to be a Shia of Ali ibn Abu Talib everything else is deviation.

[@moteenhussain6234]

@@rcmysm9123 To worship and obey Allah swt and follow the sunnah of his messenger pbuh is to be a true Muslim, the rest is all deviation.

[@rcmysm9123]

@@moteenhussain6234 Correct and the sunnah is given to us by his purified Ahlul Bayt. Two weighty things to keep us from misguidance, how many? TWO!

[@moteenhussain6234]

Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything. Their affair is only [left] to Allah ; then He will inform them about what they used to do. Surat al-An`am (6:159)

[@williambarylo]

I very often get asked what sect I am. Answering with "just Muslim" works all the time with everyone

[@moteenhussain6234]

@@williambarylo exactly the same as you my brother we are all just muslims.

[@MuhammadAdamGhamkoley]

Belief in God is better than no belief in God, but then two contradictory perceptions of God can't both be true or equal. In the same way the divisions within Islam are not all equal and sound. Someone's faith may be a matter between them and God but in pursuit of one belief, one has to reject many others, therefore one has to deem some people right and some people wrong. By making the distinction one is by no means challenging the liberties of the others. I totally disagree with much of your insinuations in this post. Yes believing in God is better than belief in no God but the correct belief in God is better than wrong beliefs about Him. You cannot be just as good if you don't serve God as He deserves to be served and worshiped so how can all religions make you as good as the true religion. You are totally wrong here.

[@pellesvansl]

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[@williambarylo]

I don't compare beliefs in God. It's not a theology video. Here I only talk about people's actions.

[@patiencepenelope]

Salam alaykoum. I am between Shia and sunna 😅

[@williambarylo]

Lol! alaykum salaam!

[@nathanruben3372]

Sunni to shia.. Let God guide them to right path...

[@williambarylo]

The concept of right path is different for everyone

[@rcmysm9123]

The right path isn't a concept, it's the right path. This guy is a shaitan here to confuse people.

[@moteenhussain6234]

​@@rcmysm9123 shia or sunni both political enterprises.

[@rcmysm9123]

@@moteenhussain6234 You're 100 percent wrong. You don't understand real Islam.

[@rcmysm9123]

@@moteenhussain6234 You're wrong, shia Islam is the real Islam.

[@rusi6219]

Rafidah are the biggest criminals

[@williambarylo]

The thing is, no one after the Prophet received the Revelation

[@rcmysm9123]

Nasabis are the biggest hypocrites.

[@eriksugisman2572]

😂😂

[@rcmysm9123]

You use clips in a subjective and mocking fashion whie pretending to be fair and understanding. The disingenuousness is quite apparent and exposes you. People become Shia because mostly because they search for and discover the truth.

[@williambarylo]

If you find anything offensive in this video, this video is not for you. If you're one of these trolls that are paid to post hateful comments about Shias, I just hope you find a better paid job.

[@rcmysm9123]

@@williambarylo Riiiight, because you didn't use a clip of the brother making moaning noises...more than once. Can you at least be honest about your actions?

[@rcmysm9123]

​@@williambarylo Oh and don't even twist this, it was you posting with slow mo and close up cuts of a quite articulate Shia brother, you are the troll against Shia reverts.

[@williambarylo]

@@rcmysm9123 it looks like you haven't even watched the video. the brother makes fun of a conversation he had with a Sunni brother and he's got the right to do so. If you can't take criticism about Sunnis and think Shias are in the wrong then keep watching your mainstream sunni channels

[@rcmysm9123]

@@williambarylo That's not how your videos are coming across, they are an attack on shias. You KNOW I'm defending the Shia from YOUR attacks yet continue to try and manipulate it like you are defending and not attacking the Shia when it's obvious that's what the video is about. And you seem thirsty monitoring your comment section so closely.

[@user-mh2og8yl9x]

انَا اختكمَ مَن اليمَن وّالَلَه ماتكلمتَ الَا من جوّع وًّمن الفقر انَا وًّامَيَ وًّخَوًّاتَيَ تَشَرَدَنَا مَنَ بَيَوًّتَنَا بَسَبَبَ الَحَرَبَ نَحَنَ فَيَ حَالَهَ لَايَعَلَمَ بَهَا الَا الَلَهَ حَسَبَنَا الَلَهَ وًّنَعَمَ الَوكيَلَ فَيَ مَنَ اوًّصَلَنَا الَى هَاذا الَحَالَ 💔💔وًّالَلَهَ الَعَظَيَمَ مَا كتَبَتَ هَذا الَمَنَاشَدَهَ غَيَرَ مَنَ الَضَيَقَ وّالَفَقَر يَاعَالَمَ حَسَوّا فَيَنَا ارَجَوّكمَ وّالَلَهَ الَعَظَيَمَ رَبَ الَعَرَشَ الَعَظَيَمَ انَه الَاكلَ مَا فَيَ عَنَدَيَ بَالَبَيَتَ وًّالَلَهَ يَا اخَوّانَيَ انَهَ خَوًّاتيَ بَقَعَدَوًّ بَالَيَوًّمَيَنَ مَافَى اكلَ وًّالَلَهَ وًّضَعَنَا كثَيَرَ صَعَبَ نَحَنَ 6 نَفَرَ دَاخَلَ الَبَيَتَ وًّابَيَ مَتَوًّفَيَ وًّلَا يَوًّجَدَ مَنَ يَعَوًّلَ عَلَيَنَا وًّسَاكنَيَنَ فَيَ بَيَتَ اجَارَ لَانَسَتَطَيَعَ دَفَعَ الَاجَارَ الَلَيَ بَاقَيَ عَلَيَنَا ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' اخي اول كلامي انا اقسم بالله على كتاب الله اني لااكذب عليك ولا انصب ولا احتال اني بنت يمنيه نازحين من الحرب انا واسرتي بيننا ایت الشهرب 15 الف يمني والان علينا 45 الف حق 3 شهور وصاحب البيت من الناس الي ماترحم والله يا اخي انه يجي كل يوم يبهدلنا ويتكلم علينا ويريد من البيت للشارع لانناماقدرنا ندفعله الأجار شافونا الجيران نبكي ورجعو تكلمو الجيران ومهلنالاخره الأسبوع معادفعنا له حلف يمين بالله هذا بيخرجنا إلى الشارع رحمه واحنا. بلادنا بسبب هذا الحرب ولانجد قوت يومنا وعايشين اناوامي وخواتي سفار والدنا متوفي الله يرحمه ومامعنا أحد في هذا الدنيا جاانبنا في هذه الظروف القاسيه خواتي الصغار خرجو للشارع وشافو الجيران ياكلو واوقفو عند بابهم لجل يعطوهم ولو كسره خبز والله الذي له ملك السموات والارض انهم غلفو الباب وطردوهم ورجعو یبکو ایموتو من الجوع ما احد رحمهم وعطلة ردها لقمت عیش والان لوما احدنا ساعدنا في إيكيلو دقيق اقسم بالله انموت من الجوع فيا اخي انا دخيله على الله ثم عليك واريد منك المساعده لوجه الله انشدك بالله تحب الخير واتساعدني تراسلي واتساب على هذا الرقم 00967717415667 وتطلب اسم بطاقتي وترسلي ولاتتاخر وايعوضك الله بكل خير ساعدنا وأنقذنا قبل أن يطردونا في الشارع تتبهدل أو نموت من الجوع وانا واسرتي نسالك بالله لولك مقدره على مساعد لاتتاخر علينا وجزاك الله خيرا،.،.،:^:؛^:🎉°~°~^~°^π√^π√~π~√~√~π^~^~π~π~√√~~ππ~π√~~^^°^°€€لب🎉🎉❤❤🎉......