Socrates and His Impact on Stoicism | Donald Robertson

[@davidkinoti4051]

Ryan and Robertson is always a good combo. I want to see Massimo in this podcast too

[@elbackpacker]

I agree.

[@perfectifmelancholy]

What a combo! Been in a group on Facebook with Don for years and he's such an interesting thinker and writer, and very friendly!

[@likesgood]

DUDE you and Donald Robertson in conversation is such an amazing thing for me. I am super grateful. Too much to list but he is just beyond and was my first 'mentor' in modern philosophical stoic based thought. Thanks so much.Also I am in the UK so it resonates the affect and comms. sublimely. both of you. I'm dual citizen. Scottish people get it. Like stoic is a birth knowledge or something. biased .

[@StoicWithYou]

I love how Socrates’ paradoxes make my brain both implode and expand simultaneously. The man lived like a philosopher, debated like a warrior, and apparently dined like an Olympian-what a vibe!

[@TheStoicBeacon-TGG]

Cảm ơn bạn đã chia sẻ! Những bài học từ người xưa luôn có giá trị vô cùng sâu sắc. Bạn có suy nghĩ gì về cách mà những bậc vĩ nhân xử lý những tình huống khó khăn trong cuộc sống?

[@Andrew-dg7qm]

Paradox is where you most reliably find truth

[@abovesus]

This podcast set looks so cool with all those books

[@JeremyRovinsky]

Excellent discussion, thank you ‼️

[@Wingedmagician]

BEST GUEST TO HAVE ON A STOICISM PODCAST

[@CarolFoegen]

I love this conversation. As a child I suffered trauma and as a adult I knew cognitive therapy and applied this even before this became popular but never new why. But then I was drawn to Socrates like a load stone, and now I have my answer.

[@menteyvidalibre]

Marvellous ! Amazing, since I discovered and started studying Stoicism I realized that it is the best and most effective psycho-therapy method, because it starts from the root: oneself.

[@ShyamkrishnanNair]

Fascinating insights! Socrates' wisdom and Habit10x have helped me cultivate inner strength and resilience through self-reflection 💡

[@PhilYanov-l6e]

That was fun. I enjoyed the whole conversation.

[@aaronwimberleymbamsf5776]

Great meditation for the week=] It is an amazing an innovative experience and outlook to question one's own beliefs. In today's highly polarized world, it takes a special sense of empathy to being open to evaluating one's own lens, many ways the "Joharis' Window" metaphor does. Dialectics, Debate, Dialogue, Disputation, & Diatribe are useless if we start every conversation by closing our ears. I always go back to Sartre's "Being & Nothingness" when I want to scrape the mucus off the brain, and expand the limits of my understanding of infinity, and negative infinity.

[@elizabethcole-walker8165]

It always comes down to, you, be you!

[@mares3841]

Thank you

[@mandrewcurry9416]

That was fun. Thanks

[@laurak6127]

Thank you Ryan for being a true Stoic and guiding us.

[@ritchiediggs]

At 7:28 Xenophon describes Socrates rhetorical style in his apology as Megalogaric. Which is to say Socrates speaks boldly and does not sugar-coat his speech to appeal to pity or assuage the good graces of the jury. Socrates according to Xenophon wishes to be acquitted only on the merits of the bare facts, not because he’s been nice, or conciliatory to the jury. Something which is faux pas in legal practice today.

[@farmtutor2379]

I think that Socrates often made arguments that he himself did not believe. This might be confusing but this is why his last argument is not what he believes. Especially in reference to the Republic and his dialogue on justice. It is plain to see that he flirts with dangerous and controversial ideas that make himself and those around him uncomfortable but this is part of his effort to inquire if these vicious ideas can be overcome by more virtuous ones. His first argument is often more scientific which relates to what he believes because it is engaging but somewhere in the middle he says what he believes and then he deconstructs his own belief. Along the way he’s calling out the pre-Socratic philosophers and that anti virtue philosophies. His dialogues are also very dramatic which is partially what makes them effective since he is also reforming the person whom he is talking to and challenging them even when they offer a satisfactory answer, he wants to see how they will defend their beliefs and at what point the passions come out and if he succeeds in this he has beaten them since he does not become angry about the things he disagrees with. The time that he almost got angry and bested was by a Pythagorean on his death bed when the Pythagorean made a convincing argument that after death he would cease to exist. Socrates expresses his desire to become angry and then calmly executes a dialogue that uncovers his true belief in virtue and wisdom and their role in reforming the soul to be prepared for the afterlife. … You’re welcome.

[@DienPham-b9t]

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[@DavidMorgan-m9o]

I would like to see Ryan and Katie the Savvy Stoic in conversation.

[@sastracaksusa2728]

Ryan, you probably don’t read comments, but what’s your take on Nietzsche’s accusation in The Birth of Tragedy that Socrates ruined Greek drama? It would be a really interesting video.

[@TheStoicBeacon-TGG]

I can totally see why Nietzsche’s view in *The Birth of Tragedy* would spark such interest, especially when thinking about how Socrates shifted Greek philosophy and culture. Nietzsche seemed to view Socrates as someone who brought a kind of rationalism that undermined the emotional depth and artistic expression of earlier Greek drama. I wonder, do you think Socrates’ influence on Stoicism might also be seen as a shift towards a more intellectual approach to life, potentially at the expense of the more passionate, instinctual aspects of the human experience? Would love to hear your thoughts on how this tension plays out in Stoic practices!

[@polytechnica]

Imagine Socrates and Schopenhauer in conversation... 🙃 Schopenhauer's concept of the "will" as an underlying, irrational force driving human behavior would most probably trouble Socrates. Socrates believed in the power of reason to overcome base impulses, whereas Schopenhauer saw reason as often helpless against deeper, more primitive drives. A hypothetical dialogue between them would be electrifying - Socrates relentlessly questioning Schopenhauer's pessimistic worldview, pushing him to expose the logical foundations of his philosophical pessimism! I for one would attend that particular debate 🧠

[@DustyCartwright]

Magnetic… Sike. His other two books are really awesome, looking forward to this latest one. Thanks for the cool discussion!

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Gotta report them

[@MaximumDull]

Social intelligence is a tricky thing to navigate. How can you be an outsider getting away with it for most of your life as you make everyone uncomfortable?

[@nateux8267]

Constant thudding on the table ruined this for me - had to stop at 10:59, can't sit through an hour of that - fix your mic setup.

[@mralexander99]

Why do we (our era) superimpose our false thinking conventional notions upon Socrates as if we think we will understand him better as a result of this thinking. We won’t. He is not interested in escaping death or winning over those who have put him on trial. Ataraxia has given him an insight that no amount of conversation about him, nor any of our reasoning will ever get close to what “Ataraxia” has opened him up to. So, in other words - FuggedAboudIt ie; we can’t get there from here. Our road to understanding Socrates will not arrive from our usual pathways to gather discernment. Remember the journey to grok Socrates is a “Radical” step that will not fit in with our current approaches of discussion. We will have to find the courage and the patience mixed in with unfathomable love to approach Socrates in reverence and devotion in the state of Ataraxia to begin with. Most of academia has missed the mark and continues to mislead us inadvertently as we reflect on Socrates 🦅

[@DolanIre_blackhair]

Hes tucker Carlson. Just asking questions...

[@mikewalker8956]

Criticizing Socrates for lack of social skills seems a bit odd to me. IMO he died like a hero refusing to back down to the narrative of the day. I do agree with the absurdity of people today getting “educated “ in philosophy by college professors who know less than John Snow. Socrates must be rolling in his grave.

[@oliverjamito9902]

All the Devine laws unseen nor seen looking at a little child born "i" feet resting upon 3 commands resting upon GRACE and HE sitteth upon?

[@oliverjamito9902]

While all HIS shared "i" Am Hosts Meeks and Beautiful who keeps watch? Yes, and HIS ANGELS WHO PERSEVERE AND HEARD THE WORD. KNOWS COMMANDS WRITTEN

[@eddyk2016]

Ryan, stop being a typical Yank motor mouth and let your guest finish his sentences. Donald is an excellent communicator, and many times when he was mid flow, you kept jumping in. You need to watch Joe Rogan and learn from him. Joe always lets his guests finish. I like your work Ryan, but this interrupting is very West Coast. Be more calm. Donald is great 👍

[@Andrew-dg7qm]

That’s funny, I didn’t find that. Good interview.

[@eddyk2016]

@ He did it a few times. Typical American !

[@89Irishzorro]

How is this even remotely west coast? Also, he is more approaching this as a conversation among friends rather than a formal interview. Cooperative overlapping is a common communication style.

[@eddyk2016]

@@89Irishzorro Watch it carefully my dear boy. I like Ryan, and his work. You Americans just need to listen more than you talk. Watch Ryan’s interview with the cool, calm Rick Rubin. Rick wasn’t selling his book by mentioning it every 2 seconds. Rick was humble and quiet. Ryan is your typical West Coast yanky doodle. Loves the sound of his own voice. Be more chill is what I tell you West Coast boys and gals. You don’t have to be the centre of attention all the time. Look at it as constructive criticism. (From an English gentleman)

[@89Irishzorro]

@ Appreciate your honest feedback. Another thing that probably contributes to what you mention is Ryan’s career immersed in marketing and having to sell himself 🤣

[@YaseminEmine]

lol

[@agentlemadness1348]

Pretty sure, plenty of people liked him.

[@RagnarB175]

Stoicism = Amateur Socratic philosophy.

[@ethandye1818]

Trump 2024! What a stoic win!

[@MesudeSoner]

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