Solving the Cyn and Solver Mystery Part 2: A Murder Drones Theory

[@niochacz4]

10:30 V actually wanted to kill Uzi from the moment she saw Uzi use solver powers in ep. 3. After she caught the bullet Doll shot at her we can see V aiming her gun not at Doll, but at Uzi.

[@MonterTheMangoKing]

"Nice catch!"

[@KaiserCydra]

Nice catch indeed, my retort: V could simply be jumpy, she was nearly killed by Doll so maybe she freaked out finding out there’s “two of them”. Just speculation but definitely possible

[@niochacz4]

@@KaiserCydra I don't think that's the case tho. In ep. 2 she clearly seen that Uzi was "infected" with solver because of AS symbol flashing on her eye and breaking a mirror. And we know that V knew what AS is capable of before her standoff with Doll because she remembers what Cyn did with it.

[@endercrafto3]

"I've never seen this symbol before" *lie buzzer sfx*

[@ejh636]

here's my take: i believe that V thought that the absolute solver was just digital (because of her memory block) so that any solver host can and will be possessed but when she got her memories back she saw that the absolute solver itself had a main host, cyn. from there she decided to team up with the rest to find and destroy cyn to stop the absolute solver for good

[@Yagsterr]

Absolute Cynema, this is a great follow-up to your previous installment!

[@KaiserCydra]

Glad to see you’re still part of the community after saying your goodbyes

[@alexexists3710]

Idea about V: Unlike J, who (I presume) remembered mostly everything about her past, and N, who didn’t remember anything about his past until his memories starting coming back in episode 2, V only remembered parts of it. She remembered Cyn manifesting flesh, as well as (probably) the massacre. Realizing V is starting to remember, J told her to “do their jobs on this planet and it leaves them alone”, it being Cyn, and their jobs being Cyn’s orders from episode 6: construct spire and enter cabin fever labs. I don’t believe Cyn would explicitly tell them to just take out solver users, since they haven’t all manifested their solvers yet, and it’s safer just to kill everyone. Why construct a spire? Because Cyn is sadistic and thinks it’s cool. Then there’s entering cabin fever labs; why do this? Well, when Cyn’s connection with Nori broke, she last saw Nori and Yeva alive. Sure, she had seen them be killed in the meantime by the murder drones, but when she gave those orders, she suspected that they could still be underground, and just to be safe, they should check there too. Plus, we know that both Uzi and Nori survived the solver pit, so it’s very likely that the patch could have survived it too, so it could be a safety measure to destroy it as well. Back to V, she decided that following these orders is her past course of action, and decided to protect N by not telling him anything and pushing him away, probably since she remembered his personality and knew he wouldn’t stand for what they’re doing if he properly understood what was happening, and didn’t just accept at face value what J told him. But after J “dies”, V doesn’t think Cyn can send them orders anymore, so she decides to run away with N in episode 3. Of course, she pops his head of after he starts prying information from her, and goes to the prom anyways to satiate her hunger. In episode 4, she really just wants to get revenge on Doll and be around N, and if he wants to stick with Uzi, she begrudgingly follows. But then after seeing Uzi transform the arrow into the flesh monster, she identifies Uzi as Cyn “New body, same horrors, huh Cyn?”. She has realized that Cyn didn’t leave them alone as promised, despite her doing what she is told. Her “We do our jobs on this planet, and that THING leaves us alone!” I believe is a sarcastic remark about Cyn and how she lied to them. of course, she then realizes that Uzi isn’t actually Cyn, but something changes about her starting with episode 5 (it only starts to show in episode 6, but nothing contradicts it in 5). She now actively starts to oppose Cyn: “Anything to screw over Cyn’s plan.” You might say that she went along with Tessa, despite in episode 8 telling N that Tessa is Cyn. But I don’t believe this is the case. She’s clearly suspicious of Tessa after the incident with Alice and the sentinels. I believe that she either somehow found out during episode 7 after befriending Sparky (perhaps through the computer with footage of the Elliot manor?) or maybe J told her during their fight dialogue. Regardless, she then fights J for aiding Cyn in destroying Copper 9. She is next seen apologizing to N, and being reminded by Cyn of their former deal. V has a brief moment of uncertainty, wondering if she could go back to being Cyn’s minion in exchange for sparing N’s life. She is shunned down, and by the time she’s has to fight Cyn again, she knows who to side with. Amazing video overall! I think you’re the first person I’ve seen cover V’s inconsistent dialogue and I appreciate you giving me a chance to rant!

[@hi.923]

Hi. I like your analysis on V's secrets. I have my own, as well. Would you mind if I share it?

[@KaiserCydra]

Damn you analyze V to the core, I am extremely impressed, to add to this idea a bit, we cannot forget that V may have been one of Cyn’s early, if not, first experiments. It would make sense as V was close to N in the manor. Either way, Cyn seriously messed up V to the point of an extreme personality change and sadism, it’s only once V starts opening up to others that she starts to revert a bit to her old self, though the damage done to her mental is clearly permanent. Perhaps some of her memories she subconsciously blocked out or perhaps she doesn’t want N to go through the same trauma she did. Perhaps she keeps her distance from N because she is no longer the same person he once knew and loved. As V said “Yeah, I’m not doing ok”

[@alexexists3710]

@@KaiserCydra thank you! I definitely agree on V’s mental state, which only makes V a more tragic character. I’m very glad she came back, and her apology to N was very touching, but I think she deserved more in episode 8. Even if just a scene with N where we properly see them talk and have N forgive V, especially since V and Uzi got a small scene like that. Regardless, thank you so much for noticing my comment, and I wish you luck with your part 3!

[@alexexists3710]

@@hi.923 I’d love to hear it!

[@hi.923]

Hi. Alright. I have to admit, the secrets of V (and J) are the most confusing mysteries to me. However, I am trying my best to come up with an answer with the least amount of speculation. V and J were motivated to do "their jobs" just so that the Solver would leave them and N alone. This is what their jobs were; eliminate all life on the planet, mainly any free Solver hosts. V and J took this job seriously out of fear. It seems like N was the only one whose memories actually got rewritten by the Solver. V and J might have also been tasked with lying to N to keep him away from the truth. In The Promening, V was doing her job, which was trying to kill Doll (a free Solver host) as well as keeping secrets from N. Maybe she just did not expect Doll to be able to survive a gunshot to the head, since Yeva somehow did not. Upon realizing Uzi was a host, she nearly shot her as part of her job but chose not to because, you know, V was starting to admire Uzi. In Cabin Fever, V was still trying to do her job, which was to find Doll and kill her. She was likely serious when she said to Uzi "I'll have to kill you next", but she just did not want to yet because she was growing fond of her. When Uzi was nearly shot by an arrow, it is clear that the Solver took momentary possession over her telekinesis just to transform the arrow into a living creature. V has always been horrified of the Solver entity. Seeing this made V realize the Solver is potentially going to possess Uzi and punish her (and N) for not doing their jobs. This was what motivated V to kill Uzi in this episode, just out of fear that the Solver would come and punish her for not doing so sooner. When confronting Uzi, V referred to her as Cyn, like she always did when mentioning the Solver. The line "New body, same horrors. Huh, Cyn?" should not be taken as a sign that V was defying her tormentor at the moment. Instead, it was probably just V begrudgingly remarking how the Solver was using past tactics. I compare this to a scenario where a mistreated employee is seeing their boss giving the same treatment to some new employee, and they would begrudgingly say "New employee, same treatment. Huh, boss?" In Absolute End, V had learned that J was not only doing the same job as her's (killing Solver hosts), but was also helping the entity consume the planet. V likely never had intentions of even assisting the Solver in destroying worlds. She probably just wanted to do her job and then get away (together with her friends, N and J) from the planet once the Solver would start eating it. This is why V was upset with J, because she thought J also wanted to get away with her. Unlike V, however, J was able to deduce that even if they did their jobs, the Solver would not leave them alone. Even in death, they could not escape from it. V was hopeful and desperate to at least be safe with N, but J knew the reality of it. In Heartbeat, N said "J was getting orders from someone. If not the company through that relay, then, uh, who?" That "who" is obvious. This likely means that, the whole time before they met Uzi, J was the only one who had direct contact with the entity, and was just passing out its messages to V and N. Hell, maybe J was the only one who directly received the message from the Solver saying it would leave them alone if they did their jobs and then passed on this message to V (and N). V also says "N, I don't know how much you remember, but J tricked us. Or, it tricked J, too! N? I'm so sorry. I-- I should have been honest with you. I was just so scared for us. For you!" This implies that N used to be aware of his true boss just like V and J, that he knew he had to do his job so that he could be left alone, but forgot. V saying "J tricked us. Or, it tricked J, too" further supports the idea that J was the one who passed on this message to her (and N) from the Solver. Sorry that this is so long.

[@EclipseVenexus]

I still find it interesting how Cyn (as far as we know) is the only host we’re aware of to get 'world destroying' levels of bad. At least accounting the zombie tape.

[@EclipseVenexus]

Regarding V she is kind of weird. (Still cool nonetheless) Her tone during the hallway scene made it seem like she was *confused* regarding Tessa and all. If she did knew Cyn was Tessa, why didn’t she shoot her? Maybe, and this might possibly be the case, V believed 'Tessa' was in on part of the plan against Cyn.

[@jade_orb]

@@EclipseVenexus I've watched Dead End several times through trying to figure it out, and I can't really find a conclusion. There are really only two possibilities, either V knows Tessa is Cyn and is completly going along with everything, until Absolute End when she realizes that defeating Cyn might actually be possible, or Cyn doesn't know, but is suspicious of Tessa and is pretty sure there is something weird going on.

[@EclipseVenexus]

@@jade_orb might be the second. But Cyn definitely skinned Tessa pretty early on as the Tessa we very briefly see in Episode 4 is confirmed to be the same model.

[@KaiserCydra]

Yeah about that tape, I have some serious issues with it that I will go into further detail in part 3, as for how V figured out Tessa was Cyn… no clue on that one, at least nothing satisfying

[@EclipseVenexus]

@@KaiserCydraooh. Excited for whenever that drops

[@MonterTheMangoKing]

My theory on what happened here (7:43) Uzi was dangerous to Cyn, she started uncovering the truth, learning to use her Solver, and was close with N. Cyn didn't want anyone but J and AS to know she was there at this moment, so she possesed Uzi for a moment to make V kill her. Uzi had a mental breakdown and was overheating, so she needed oil. And now, I think I may know the reason AS possessed Uzi then. What does the name Absolute Solver suggest? That it was made to solve problems. At what moments was AS more active? When Cyn was thrown out, when humanity existed, when J needed to be repaired, when N and V started uncovering the truth...and when Uzi was overheating. It possessed Uzi to solve her problem, and that problem was overheating. That's why AS started eating most of Uzi's classmates. (Exept Emily, I think)

[@KaiserCydra]

This is actually is an amazing take on the AS, perhaps it’s like the Devil, tempting users with the power to solve their problems

[@SunnysidezVa]

Very VERY amazing video, i think you deserve praise, i just wanna mention that the yellow uzi and yellow nori we see in ep 7 COULD be the AS and not cyn, thats cuz nori says "thanks for the NEW host" replacing cyn, and in ep 8 uzi says "solver control me again?" on her visor But the thing is, we know cyn is in control of her own body cuz of nori's paper saying that the "entity is planning to kill OTHER hosts" meaning the host itself cyn is doing this, but this kinda condradicts the subtitles cuz they say that the solver is talking whenever cyn talks But the thing is possesed uzi says that N is her "big brother" and also says that his backups will forgive him, which is something cyn is in control of This is very confusing and i wish liam would answer this himself

[@jade_orb]

Okay, first, I agree. Cydra is amazing. My answer, and this is of course just me, is that Uzi just thinks that Cyn IS the Solver. She could be wrong too. As for the captions, I've been thinking too, and I'm pretty sure the captions are just not lore-friendly. The captions don't say "Solver:" When you can see Cyn talking though, so maybe it's just to make it clear that either the cameras and stuff are talking, or that the possesed character doenst have the same voice as the normal character. Also, I bet Uzi calling Cyn the Solver is probably just to align with the captions. Though in that same conversation Nori calls it "Cyn" so idk.

[@SunnysidezVa]

​​@@jade_orbnori didnt call it cyn tho,she just said that uzi needs to destroy cyn's heart and also The captions are written by glitch themselves so it should be canon

[@KaiserCydra]

Ahh shucks, you’re making me blush ☺️, in all seriousness though, thank you for all the support, you guys make this all possible and I’m just glad I left an impact on the community and brought people together. To add to this discussion, Cyn probably likes calling her puppets “host” or maybe that’s just a bit of the silver influencing her. As for the subtitles, yeah I don’t really know, I know they’re official but I wonder if they were lore checked

[@endercrafto3]

​@@KaiserCydrathe subtitles have some mistakes. They are written by a third party (Blackbear studios or something) which doesn't seem to have the actual transcript since they make quite a few mistakes.

[@InkStain_1973]

I’m already so PUMPED FOR THIS!!! And right when I was drawing CYN to practice my art skills! Keep up the good work Cydra 👍!

[@KaiserCydra]

Plan to!!! And you keep up honing your art skills!!!

[@gameslayer3976]

There are a few things that I’d like to point out- but the biggest one is that Cyn is the one who is trying to reset N’s memories, and when N mentions what Cyn is- she corrects him and identities as the Absolute Solver himself. And two, categorically Cyn is the only Zombie Drone. All the other drones were given the solver intentionally, but Cyn was in fact a drone that existed. However, she was killed, and seemingly booted up with the Solver using her like a “cute puppet” with Cyn’s personality melding with the Solver. It seems that Cyn was the first host of the solver, with it trying to act like a worker in order to develop. Once the Cyn act lost its value, she “became” Tessa.

[@KaiserCydra]

The correction thing I always thought was the AS correcting N calling it a “eldritch horror thing” seeing as that’s the part the solver interrupts him. I also feel like Cyn’s personality was never abandoned as many of those traits shown in episode 5 appear in episode 7&8, calling N big brother, being nice to him, puppy eyes

[@gameslayer3976]

@ that’s a fair point, I just feel like you could equally say that’s the AS using psychological warfare against N and the others. My thought process is that the Absolute Solver took Cyn as a host, like Tessa says, and started masquerading as her until the time was right to unleash the Singularity- and we can see that once more it’s being a bad actor, seeming corpse-like and announcing every motion. After Cyn lost its value to the Solver, it merged with Tessa and took on yet another persona. That’s just my opinion, though, your video is very well done and compelling.

[@CYNTHEEARTHEATERYUMMY]

This makes so much more sense than the thing that everyone swears is canon without any confirmation

[@ribbitrabbit64]

I agree that Cyn and the Absolute Solver are separate entities - but I think Cyn has been dead ever since her body was rebooted in the landfill. Here’s why - in the zombie drone tape, it explained that drones that are improperly disposed of have a very small chance of having a mutated code awaken in them. Cyn, one of the many improperly disposed drones, was the first zombie drone, meaning the mutated code (aka AS) took over. Yes, she did allow the Solver to take over, but that was most likely because she was scared, didn’t want to die, etc. So Cyn and the AS are separate entities, but Cyn has been dead the whole time. The Solver’s merely using her body as a puppet. Loved your second installment of the Cyn and Solver theory! Your videos are so entertaining to watch!!

[@robotomyanimations1276]

It's such a complex theory. Great video! ❤🎉

[@KaiserCydra]

Thank!!! That complexity is the most alluring about this mystery, nothing is certain therefore, nothing is predictable or boring

[@andyAliasAnonymous]

5:40 Contact with the murder drones is a really good observation ngl. I have a problem with the "nerfed callback ping" idea tho. Cyn has to manually do all the pings in episode 7 and 8, but she's not present in any capacity before that at all. Also, Cyn doesn't want competition with other hosts, so she doesn't have a motivation to give the murder drones the ability to wake up random solver users on Copper-9. Going along with your Bloodborne theory, I think it would be more accurate to say the Solver is silently "adding" people to the server when it registers them. Yeva and Nori have their solvers under control by the time they have kids, so the first contact would still originate from the murder drones. I don't have much to back that up tho, just an idea. Another idea would be having a near-death encounter with the murder drones. It's not shown onscreen for Doll, but I find it difficult to believe V totally misses this random kid on a murder spree. "Witnessing murder or extreme stress" are good ideas because those are big catalysts in humans, but I don't think a robot would be affected by that kind of thing. Stress messes with the biological frame we have, and I don't think it would really affect metal that much other than "mentally," but that's just another headcanon. Near-death would coincide with the "Zombie Drones" effect of improper disposal tho.

[@jade_orb]

I think Doll's past ultimately requies knowing what the heck happened to Yeva. I'm curious to know what you think of Cyn in episode 3-6.

[@andyAliasAnonymous]

​@@jade_orb Lol I forgot I wanted to change that sentence about Cyn. I don't remember Tessa doing anything remotely relevant tho from ep 3-6, and Home was just some memories, did you have anything in mind? I also subscribe to the idea that Cyn is a big N simp if that clarifies anything.

[@jade_orb]

@@andyAliasAnonymous I was talking about her appearance is Cabin Fever. And I also subscribe to that idea

[@andyAliasAnonymous]

@@jade_orb lol idk, she doesn't have to be cooped up in the suit the whole time if she doesn't want to. she also got out the suit to get doll too.

[@KaiserCydra]

@@jade_orbhere’s something we know she did, she planted the Zombie Drone tape. If you look at the wide shot with the Cyn hand Easter egg, you’ll see that there’s no tape on the table, cut to the next shot after Cyn’s eyes and bam, it’s suddenly there

[@TheSlimyServer]

16:44-16:52 This makes sense for the most part, besides one line. “We are trying to repair that host, as per *our* directive.” Shouldn't it just be “my” in this instance? Cyn does not have a directive to repair J like the Solver does, so this shouldn’t apply to her like with the puppets line.

[@hi.923]

Hi. In a twisted way, Cyn does seem to admire N, V and J, which is why she wanted them to retain their personalities. She likes having them around, likely for her amusement, and that includes J. She would likely want to repair J, too, just because she finds her amusing.

[@ajh3461]

This could be a misunderstanding on the Solver's part. If the text on Cyn's face is Cyn talking to the Solver instead of the other way around, then the Solver could believe that she shares the same benign directive.

[@KaiserCydra]

I personally believe that the Solver in episode 2 is the solver at its most basic form and can only follow simple task that Cyn gives. Cyn set this directive to keep her toys as she doesn’t like to discard anything the same way she was discarded, and as Hi said, she’s rather fond of her manor family

[@Kirakishou7]

Hello again, 5:20 the reason why they awaken the solver abilities at different times is due to the oil intake. Doll was eating people long before Uzi drank her first drop of oil in EP3. And Doll showed corruption in EP3 as well, right after she hits V with the flashback if you slow it down or go by frame by frame you can see her eye glitch to yellow twice, the same eye that she would end up covering. This may show that Doll had more of the patch in her than Uzi did, considering how nice of a person Yeva is, this makes sense. 6:44 Cyn knew what the patch was and was playing dumb, she even referred to it as the 'macguffin' in the flashback. I don't think Cyn can possess Doll at all. She states "Don't think it needs you buddy" yet after removing the eyepatch you can see Doll's smashed eye glitch yellow, showing that Cyn is definitely trying to possess her but simply cannot. 8:40 Nori has "IT sent something(s) to eliminate the other hosts" referring to the solver. This is also the case in EP8 as Uzi asks Nori "Solver control me again?" why say that if it's meant to be Cyn controlling them? 9:09 the contradiction is more of a writing issue as V should be terrified of Uzi like she was when Uzi activated her solver at the end of EP3 as she is shown aiming her gun at her. She doesn't turn on Uzi when the flesh thing appears she has said she was going to kill her earlier in the cabin. Also once again refers to Cyn as IT as does J in EP8. 10:10 V is mad at J here. To be fair V probably hasn't fought a solver host before, outside of Yeva which died from just a shot to the head and is again a writing issue. Dolls family makes no sense to the established rules but I don't want to go into a rant about that. 13:32 IT isn't competitive, after seeing that other Solver hosts can resist it's influence (by being patched) it doesn't want them around to get in the way and was most likely the reason why the Murder Drones were given a nerfed version of the solver so they wouldn't be an issue if they turned on it. As the solver wants control. 15:08 Problem with your theory here if Eldritch J is the solver IT states "easier to assimilate then explain" then the one speaking in EP8 is the solver as it uses the exact same line. 16:00 No... the reason the solver can't use the powers here is because it is the nerfed solver so it cannot use it's solver powers outside of what it was permitted same with Eldritch J. IT also responded to the name Cyn when N used it and corrected him, "The solver of the absolute fabric, the void, the exponential end". 16:56 the plural and singular thing again. The plural is referring to the hivemind while the singular is referring to the body, when it says "time to go into MY mouth now" it's because it means the bodies mouth since a hivemind wouldn't have a mouth. Using Eldritch J we see that the Solver can possess dead things as J's entire upper body was destroyed, core included, but regenerates the whole thing and states "oh, J is not here, we are trying to repair that host as our directive" which shows it does not need a living host to be able to possess it. It simply kept it's word and didn't discard Cyn just like it didn't discard Tessa. The relationship of Cyn and the Solver was always a ventriloquist act with Cyn being a puppet while the Solver is the ventriloquist. People will talk to the puppet as if it is it's own being while also knowing it's not the one speaking. Well time to wait for part 3 and your responses that i'll get to reply to.

[@hi.923]

Hi. It is nice to see you again. I think your explanation for the Solver using "we" and "I" makes sense. I actually had a more complicated idea for a while. After killing Tim, the Solver projects holograms of both Frank and Tim, playing with them like toys and puppets. "Tim": Flawless character acting, me. "Frank": Improv game for more practice? "Tim": We are a monster. This is almost similar to how a child would play with action figures. The Solver is praising itself, and funny enough, it even acknowledges its cruel nature. I believe the "we" here just refers to "Tim" and "Frank", since together, they are just extensions of the Solver itself. All the holograms it creates are basically parts of itself. Every hologram and part put together makes up the whole entity. When it first meets Uzi, it uses "we" likely because it had already created its own hologram of Khan, which is just another extension of itself. It uses "we" whenever it is playing with one or more holograms at once. After "killing" "Khan", it just goes back to saying "I", since it is no longer puppeteering the "dead body".

[@Kirakishou7]

@@hi.923 Your explanation makes way more sense. I never considered the holograms being separate but the same to itself. And yeah once the Khan and N holograms are gone it goes back to singular and never returns to using plural. Now we have a more concrete explanation of those events good work!

[@hi.923]

Hi. Thank you.

[@hi.923]

I have to admit, the secrets of V (and J) are the most confusing mysteries to me. However, I am trying my best to come up with an answer with the least amount of speculation. V and J were motivated to do "their jobs" just so that the Solver would leave them and N alone. This is what their jobs were; eliminate all life on the planet, mainly any free Solver hosts. V and J took this job seriously out of fear. It seems like N was the only one whose memories actually got rewritten by the Solver. V and J might have also been tasked with lying to N to keep him away from the truth. In The Promening, V was doing her job, which was trying to kill Doll (a free Solver host) as well as keeping secrets from N. Maybe she just did not expect Doll to be able to survive a gunshot to the head, since Yeva somehow did not. Upon realizing Uzi was a host, she nearly shot her as part of her job but chose not to because, you know, V was starting to admire Uzi. In Cabin Fever, V was still trying to do her job, which was to find Doll and kill her. She was likely serious when she said to Uzi "I'll have to kill you next", but she just did not want to yet because she was growing fond of her. When Uzi was nearly shot by an arrow, it is clear that the Solver took momentary possession over her telekinesis just to transform the arrow into a living creature. V has always been horrified of the Solver entity. Seeing this made V realize the Solver is potentially going to possess Uzi and punish her (and N) for not doing their jobs. This was what motivated V to kill Uzi in this episode, just out of fear that the Solver would come and punish her for not doing so sooner. When confronting Uzi, V referred to her as Cyn, like she always did when mentioning the Solver. The line "New body, same horrors. Huh, Cyn?" should not be taken as a sign that V was defying her tormentor at the moment. Instead, it was probably just V begrudgingly remarking how the Solver was using past tactics. I compare this to a scenario where a mistreated employee is seeing their boss giving the same treatment to some new employee, and they would begrudgingly say "New employee, same treatment. Huh, boss?" In Absolute End, V had learned that J was not only doing the same job as her's (killing Solver hosts), but was also helping the entity consume the planet. V likely never had intentions of even assisting the Solver in destroying worlds. She probably just wanted to do her job and then get away (together with her friends, N and J) from the planet once the Solver would start eating it. This is why V was upset with J, because she thought J also wanted to get away with her. Unlike V, however, J was able to deduce that even if they did their jobs, the Solver would not leave them alone. Even in death, they could not escape from it. V was hopeful and desperate to at least be safe with N, but J knew the reality of it. In Heartbeat, N said "J was getting orders from someone. If not the company through that relay, then, uh, who?" That "who" is obvious. This likely means that, the whole time before they met Uzi, J was the only one who had direct contact with the entity, and was just passing out its messages to V and N. Hell, maybe J was the only one who directly received the message from the Solver saying it would leave them alone if they did their jobs and then passed on this message to V (and N). V also says "N, I don't know how much you remember, but J tricked us. Or, it tricked J, too! N? I'm so sorry. I-- I should have been honest with you. I was just so scared for us. For you!" This implies that N used to be aware of his true boss just like V and J, that he knew he had to do his job so that he could be left alone, but forgot. V saying "J tricked us. Or, it tricked J, too" further supports the idea that J was the one who passed on this message to her (and N) from the Solver. Sorry that this is so long.

[@Kirakishou7]

@@hi.923 For the EP4 encounter, this makes sense for V's behaviour however, not in EP6 you would not raise a sword to a being that could tear you apart in an instant especially since the one you are trying to protect is right there. If Cyn wanted to she could've just killed everyone right then and there. As Cyn almost went mask off when the sentinel shot at 'Tessa' (she raises her hand into the 3 finger solver activation pose here) if V didn't catch it they'd be dead. Still wonder when N's memories were reset my guess would be after encountering Nori. Probably had some dialogue exchange since Nori may have been surprised that this MD speaks and most likely brought up Cyn. He would start questioning stuff like he did when he met Uzi. This would proct the solver to manually pilot N to kill her then wipe his memories with the encounter. Perhaps the memory resets are tied to their quotas as V was killing significantly less drones at this point and was having hers reset in EP5.

[@Chris_Productions_Official]

The video came out just as I was about to take a shower... Wow. I'll come back to this comment after I take a shower and watch the video, and anyway my expectations are high.

[@Chris_Productions_Official]

I finished watching the video. The tail of the possessed Uzi in EP7 has yellow eyes, it is exactly the same tail at the end of EP8, and since Cyn has wings, I believe she also has a tail. Otherwise I don't have much to comment, I'm just waiting for an explanation about the singularity in EP8.

[@KaiserCydra]

Oh god, I have been trying to wrap my head around “The Singularity” for weeks. Still have no clue of what it could exactly mean. My only clue is Nori mentioned it in her crazed ramblings in episode 4, so we know it’s part of Cyn’s plan at the very least

[@hi.923]

Hi. Scientists like to refer to the center of a black hole as a singularity.

[@jade_orb]

First, amazing video my man, another masterpiece episode, and I can't wait for part 3. Still, I have alot of thoughts, just to kinda contribute to this wonderful discussion that your videos provide. 2:28 First, that was super hard to see, and something that I hadn't picked up on even in my frame-by-frames. But I think ultimately Cyn can only use Uzi's tail becase Uzi already made the tail. If Uzi's tail got cut off, I doubt Cyn could regrow it. 4:02 The whole concept here, and elsewhere, aout when Uzi's solver was awakened is kinda ambiguous. Uzi can't, or at least doesn't manifest the fleshy bits until Cabin Fever, but she can Translate from Prommening. We also have the frame at the end of the Pilot on Uzi's eyes, but that could just be the Pilot's lore being wonky. 6:17 I'd probably guess that the visions Nori had were all from when Cyn was possessing her. 6:48 to be honest, I'm pretty sure Cyn is lying. Or, as she puts it she "had my suspicions" 7:13 I'd guess that Doll just has a stronger will than Uzi. 8:53 Could hardly agree more. 11:50 Alt explanation, V clearly doesn't like Cyn, or rather, hates her, but is forced to work with her. V, however, clearly wants Cyn dead. V likes Uzi (not like that though, shut up brainrot fandom), so she doesn't actually want to kill Uzi, until Uzi manifests Cyn corruption. After that, V switches to trying to kill Uzi, until N calms her back down and Uzi no longer shows Cyn corruption. 14:20 I'ma be honest, I hate eldritch J. Like from a lore standpoint. 17:31 Completly agree 17:37 I rewatched Heartbeat, and I don't think there are two cores. I think the projector one turns back into the heart, which then delivers "Get snuck upon", then leaves again. Anyway, this is an incredible video, can't wait for your 1000 sub special.

[@KaiserCydra]

Thanks for the contribution Jade and yeah I could definitely see V reluctantly working for Cyn. There’s definitely a lot more holes or uncertainties in my theory, but as long I bring the community together and get people thinking like this, it’s a win for me and makes all this work worth it. Also I will not only definitely do a 1,000 sub special, BUT I WILL REACH THAT GOAL BY THE END OF THE YEAR(I hope at least).

[@logansgamingchannel6169]

there was a comment section in a video that I discussed with someone about some seeming differences: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIqTnZqQn9xmaMk He points out that the solver seems to pick up certain personality traits dependent on the host (see the comment for a better explanation).

[@Kirakishou7]

@@logansgamingchannel6169 Yes, this is one of the things I mentioned in his first video but forgot the video but instead used Liam's older series Design where parasites called Left Hands would kill their hosts and take on their personalities.

[@KaiserCydra]

@@Kirakishou7Yeah about that detail, I have some reservations about it, spoilers for Design: First off, that was a retcon, season 1 made it seem like the parasites were mindless killing machines at first and killed off the host conscious, then season 2 retcon that saying that the parasite adopts the host personality, which is honestly a huge gray area because that just means the parasites is just doing what the original person would do meaning that the AS, even if it’s mimicking Cyn, is doing what Cyn would do, then we got season 3 where we meet a whole bunch of LH parasites including John “Protagonist” Mathews who seems to be exactly the same before and after, making the whole “adoption of personality” thing honestly meaningless to me, as for the others they all seem very human, albeit some a bit twisted, but that seems more like the facility pitting them against each other, our only other example of someone we see before and after LHP infection is the pink hair girl who plays a major role(I can’t remember her name) and she has all of her old memories before infection and none of them ever treat their memories like they’re another person’s, plus she seem to be sharing memories with her alt dimension self who is still human so there’s that to consider, then we got our outlier Marie, who we can only speculate about but my guess is that she might be the only true LHP that isn’t using a human host

[@Kirakishou7]

@@KaiserCydra Yes, that was the point I was making is that it's the same entity not separate. Spoilers for Design: I never stated the LHP were mindless killing machines just that they adopt personalities from their hosts but are relatively more aggressive like Julie. The pink haired girl was named Circe, and Liam might have dropped the whole story over this time bs. Since we don't know how the LHP occur naturally we can only go off that they seek out other potential hosts, like Kali to Julie and 104 to John. And for more similarities they had that thing where they weren't able to harm each other like how solver users can't use their powers on one another.

[@PetroviousComments]

I'm reposting this comment because the original is lost: This is an interesting theory/interpretation. The interpretation I use for "what is Absolute Solver" is that "Absolute Solver" (AS) is a program created and controlled by an entity called "the Solver of the Absolute Fabric, the Void, the Exponential End" (called "the Solver" for short). Some possibilities/alternatives for part 1 (if you didn't see my comment on part 1): * 3:13 : It could be possible that the holograms are never tangible. Every time we see a hologram move with someone, it could be possible that the holograms are moved with the person and the person didn't notice. Every time we see a hologram move something, it could be possible that there's something else tangible behind or in the hologram. Most Worker Drones have been shown to not be that smart (and we don't know how their sense of touch works), so the drone holding the teacup hologram might not have realized she wasn't holding anything. The N hologram in ep 2 never actually touches Uzi's railgun, and there's a claw behind/in it (see ep 2, 13:49-13:51). The N hologram in ep 8 had Cyn inside it (see ep 8, 14:27-14:30). * 4:09 : As far as I know, Cyn/the Solver only refers to themselves as "Cyn" in programming and as "Tessa." When Cyn/the Solver calls themself "CYN" in programming, it could be that "CYN" is Cyn/the Solver's username, similar to how "darkXwolf17" is Uzi's username. When Cyn/the Solver refers to themselves as "Cyn" as "Tessa," it could be that they're using that name because that's the name that N and V are used to. As for why the Disassembly Drones' armbands say "CYN," it could be that the Cyn/the Solver wanted the Disassembly Drones to have P/Ns similar to Cyn's or their P/Ns already had "CYN" in it. (I'm not sure if we ever get a good look at their armbands when they were Worker Drones.) * 6:46 : It could be possible that Cyn/the Solver won't use other AS abilities rather than can't. Cyn/the Solver could prefer to use some abilities over others. As for the differences in AS abilities, it could be that different AS users/hosts have different "mutations" in their AS or that they are more skilled with some abilities than others. * 9:14 : It could be possible that Cyn/the Solver only wants AS users/hosts it can completely control. Cyn got AS after giving permission to the Solver. Nori and Yeva were given AS by humans, and Uzi and Doll inherited AS. * 10:05 : Being an eldritch being does not mean they are the most powerful (at least not in all worlds/planes/realms). They can have limitations. It could be that the Solver isn't very powerful in the drones'/humans' world. * 10:26 : It could also be the Solver saying it out of frustration that the humans gave AS to drones without its permission. * 11:03 : The interpretation I use is that "Absolute Solver" (AS) is a program created and controlled by an entity called "the Solver of the Absolute Fabric, the Void, the Exponential End" (called "the Solver" for short). Some possibilities/alternatives for part 2: * 2:37 : It could be possible that Uzi was transformed to get tentacles before absorbing the blood/oil (during the period between when Uzi passes out and when we see her laying on the ground in the circle of blood/oil) and the blood/oil absorption was another part of the transformation and/or was part of the revival process. Also, the blood/oil being in a circle around her could imply that it was expelled from Uzi before she absorbed it. * 5:51 : As for why Uzi and Doll's Absolute Solvers awoke at different times, another possibility is that AS could develop over time. (Uzi and Doll could have been born/created at different times.) Not to mention, since AS of different users seem to have differences, their development speeds/rates could be different. * 6:04 : As for why both Uzi and Doll showed signs of Cyn/the Solver's corruption around the same time, it could be because Cyn/the Solver started focusing more on Copper 9 and was arriving there. However, Cyn/the Solver only possessing fully awakened Solver users seems more likely, though the reason Doll was more difficult to possess could be that Doll was more emotionally stable than Uzi at the time (since resistance to Cyn/the Solver's possession seems to be based on emotional stability and willpower) because the patch might not be able to be inherited (at least not completely) and it seems Uzi and Doll didn't inherit the whole patch, if any. * 8:23 : The Solver could be overconfident. Also, being an eldritch being doesn't inherently mean that they are the smartest (nor the most powerful in all worlds/planes/realms). It could be possible that Cyn/the Solver wanted to kill other AS users/hosts they couldn't completely control. * 9:21 : It could be possible that V didn't kill Doll properly or didn't try to kill Uzi until Uzi made that organic creature because V didn't completely remember everything until near the end of ep 5. As alexexists3710 said, it could be possible that when V fights Uzi, V realizes that Cyn/the Solver isn't leaving them alone like they said they would, so V was angry. V likely recognizes that creating organic matter was something that Cyn/the Solver did (and she might have seen Uzi's AS symbol turn yellow briefly; see ep 4, 9:08-9:11). * 10:51 : It's likely V's job (and N and J's job) was to kill AS users/hosts, but she wasn't told that. She was likely just told to kill Worker Drones. She probably didn't know what AS users/hosts were (maybe because that memory was erased/blocked), which would explain why she thought Doll would be dead with a normal shot. * 13:32 : As I said earlier, it could be possible that Cyn/the Solver wanted to kill other AS users/hosts they couldn't completely control. I'm open to multiple interpretations of this issue. When I see evidence for one interpretation, I can see/think of other possible ways that evidence could fit other interpretations. One of the main problems with this issue is that we don't know what Cyn was like before she became a host of the Solver. This makes it hard to tell whether traits of Cyn/the Solver were originally Cyn's or the Solver's, including their voice and yellow lights. We associate the playful personality with Cyn, but what if that's not Cyn's personality? What if it's the Solver's personality? While we associate eldritch beings with antisocial, weird, or unknowable personalities, who's to say that an eldritch being couldn't have a more playful and/or human-like personality? Liam Vickers is known for making characters that are both creepy and cute, so maybe he made the Solver have a similar personality. However, this is assuming that the playful personality is the Solver's. If the playful personality is Cyn's, it could be possible that the Solver copied Cyn's personality. We've seen Cyn/the Solver copy the behaviors of others for the holograms and when pretending to be Tessa. While Cyn/the Solver doesn't seem to be that good at copying others at first, it seems that they are better at it the longer they know the person, such as with N and Tessa. If the Solver had complete control of someone (like Cyn), it could probably get to know the person very well, making it easier to copy them. However, these are only a couple of possibilities. Perhaps these interpretations are wrong and your interpretation that Cyn is willing host in control is correct. Perhaps all of our interpretations are wrong and there's another one that is correct. Perhaps one or both of us is partially correct. We might never know which one is correct, but similar to what you said in part 1, that's part of the fun.

[@KaiserCydra]

Hi, I do remember reading your comment, I just don’t remember if I responded so I’ll respond here just in case: I do agree that the AS Program and the AS Entity are 2 separate things, hence why the physical solver glyph of different from the digital Part 1 CYN being a username: Darn I was hoping no one noticed this lol, but yeah I noticed when writing part 2 that Uzi’s username is the admin name so it could just be a username The armbands: actually the armband is much more important than just at first glance, stay tuned for part 3 Part 2: Different development speeds is possible and Uzi’s Solver seems a lot more potent than Doll’s and dare I even say very similar to Cyn’s, some “Oh, so it’s the same type of stand as Star Platinum” type stuff if you get that reference I definitely agree that Cyn arriving on Copper 9 had some affect on their awakenings, wether intentional or not, I can’t say but emotional state is definitely a factor here Other: I am familiar with Liam’s older work and he does like to do his own little spin on already known monster such as poltergeist, vampires, sirens, etc. As for not knowing about Cyn before the Solver, I found 1 thing that links to her past. Stay tuned for part 3 Seriously you guys are amazing, thank you all for the support and I’ll continue working hard to give some fun answers and ideas

[@Shashu_the_little_Voidling]

I was pretty nervous for this video, but it seems pretty inline with what I already thought :3

[@Coleyoshi]

I just thought of something… Cyn is a Zombie Drone, none of the other hosts are Zombie Drones. The eyes of the other hosts flicker between their regular color and yellow, while Cyn’s eyes remain yellow. The more yellow in a host’s eyes, the more influence the Solver has. While Cyn does have her own conscious, the Solver basically has her on a leash with how much control it has.

[@PetroviousComments]

It's possible that yellow represents Cyn instead of the Solver, so Cyn being yellow could just be her normal color (similar to how purple is Uzi's normal color) and other drones having yellow means Cyn's influence. However, due to the lack of information about Cyn before becoming a host, we don't know if yellow was Cyn's original color, so it's still possible that yellow represents the Solver.

[@Amity_rift]

3:31 Wait but that actually makes soo much sense!!

[@panayiotiskoniotakis4182]

This video just like the last makes sense and helps explain some stuff in the swo

[@KaiserCydra]

Glad to bring some enlightenment

[@Pikachu_winner50]

In EP 8 credits, go to the locker scene and look at Uzi's eyes after the AbsoluteSolver enters Uzi's tail, you can see that her eyebrows gain a reddish tint, which I believe further supports the fact that Doll is a part of Uzi.

[@anarchaos110]

Spinning Cyn at the end is hilarious lol

[@KaiserCydra]

Thanks!! Glad someone finally noticed. A perfect representation of our silly little goober

[@Greenomb]

This is part theory, part headcanon but I very much believe that the Solver’s influence over its host and a host’s susceptibility to Cyn’s control both depends on the host’s emotional state. More specifically I believe both prey on a host’s fears and insecurities and in turn, if a host becomes more self-confident and self-assured, they grow more resistant to those influences. Besides specific in-episode examples like Solver Uzi during episode 4, who lost control because of her compounding insecurities about N and V leaving her or possibly even the mirror shattering - looking at your reflection making you briefly self-conscious- I also think this interpretation fits meta narratively considering Uzi’s whole character arc of feeling like an outsider and a failure to finding people who genuinely like her and growing through them, culminating in her “I am free!” speech in episode 8 and her becoming completely immune to Cyn’s attempts to control her.

[@Jazzy_J_cub]

at 1:47 remember Doll is also part of Uzi yes it's canon

[@zeno8430]

What I still wonder thought is why didn't Cyn kill Uzi directly?I mean she had many opportunities where she could have easily been able to: -Ep 4:Cause if you remember in one part of the episode Tecyn/Cynessa was seeing and Cyn could have easily killed Uzi especially since she was all alone -Ep 7:I mean when she was still impersonating as Tessa she could've quickly killed Uzi even when N was there and if she's the one taking over Uzi in the next scene and she's laughing why even trying to kill her in the first place?Also at the end of ep 7 Cyn completely overpowered them both but still decided to launch them towards space other than killing them directly -Ep 8:She was clearly playing with them there and even let them run away also after getting N Cyn didn't even try to go after Uzi and she was just taking the final fight as a game which led to her defeat -Pre series:Cyn could have came to Copper 9 even before Uzi was born or when she was a baby considering Nori died to the disassembly drones it took them years to finish their job Cyn could have just got there and destroy everything it's not like some doors can resist to a freaking black hole Anyways that's just how I see it I can still be wrong considering my dead brain can't picture everything especially if its murder drones

[@Silverdrop-y4j]

Uzi didn’t realise that it was only Cyns core being destroyed that could work,and when Cyn was pretending to be Tessa,Ofc they didn’t think Tessa would have a drone core,also Abt Cyn coming before the events of the series and killing everyone,Cyn wanted to see suffering

[@PetroviousComments]

Cyn/the Solver didn't kill Uzi directly likely because of their personality traits such as carefulness/caution (due to possible threats and a lack of information) and overconfidence. (Cyn/the Solver also might be sadistic.) * Pre-series: Cyn's body is vulnerable, so Cyn/the Solver sent the Murder/Disassembly Drones (MDs/DDs) so they could kill the other drones for them. Drones with the full Absolute Solver (AS) program (not the nerfed version the MDs/DDs have) are the biggest threat to Cyn/the Solver, especially if the other drones with AS have the patch that stops Cyn/the Solver's possession. * Ep 4: Cyn/the Solver was likely watching Uzi to assess how much a threat she was. (This might be the episode where Cyn/the Solver realizes that they can possess Uzi and that Uzi is inexperienced with AS.) Cyn/the Solver likely also wanted to find and destroy the patch first. (We know "Tessa" and Doll made a deal to get into Cabin Fever labs between the end of ep 3 and ep 5.) * Ep 7: Cyn/the Solver likely wanted to destroy the patch first and didn't want to risk revealing their identity until the patch was destroyed. Cyn/the Solver also likely saw Uzi as less of threat since she could be possessed. (Cyn/the Solver also seems to try to get Uzi killed while possessing Uzi; see ep 7, ) At the end, Cyn/the Solver was likely overconfident because the patch was destroyed. * Ep 8: Cyn/the Solver was likely overconfident because they are more powerful and more experienced and because the patch was destroyed. This is my interpretation, anyway.

[@jessicaruizcollazo2372]

Headcanon: True Solver changes it's personality depending on the Host (or admin), Since Cyn was the primary host, it copied Cyn's personality and goals. Which is why Eldritch J and Basement Solver act and sound similar to Cyn. And since Uzi is the primary host now, the Solver now has her personality and goals. There's like literally no evidence of this but I think it's funny and a nice reversal of the "Solver is controlling Cyn" theory.

[@KaiserCydra]

Oh there’s evidence of this, Liam has done something similar in his past work, specifically Design. Either way, headcanons are always fun 😊

[@jessicaruizcollazo2372]

@KaiserCydra indeed they are

[@endercrafto3]

1:40 I still believe that this isn't really networking code (as in pure networking) but some sort of text encoding code. I can't really tell the language used because it mostly uses those ["key"] things, but with this I assume that it's some web development language (possibly JavaScript, or PHP since I saw a reference to PHP in the code). It could be indirectly used in some networking program though. To be honest it's likely some random code they took from open source software. The replace can be explained by replacing a certain encoding by another in a file. 3:34 Possibly she just... picked it up. Though I'm not against the idea that she created a new one. 5:21 They likely only started getting possessed by Cyn because she realized that her original plan wasn't working: she sent the disassembly drones to Copper-9 to get rid of Solver drones for her, under the pretext that the humans wanted to get rid of all runaway worker drones. That way Cyn didn't have to reveal herself. Also, since Doll already knew about the patch when Cyn tried to possess her (back in episode 3, she was already looking for it), then if Cyn also tried to possess Uzi, she would likely also start looking for the patch (Doll might then tell her). And if they did find it, it would likely annoy Cyn a lot. Cyn knew of the patch, or at least something that could keep her out, before episode 7: if Doll and her have those "linked memories", then Cyn would have some idea of what it is, though she more likely realized what it was all the way back when Nori got half patched. That's why in episode 6 "Tessa" said that "Enter labs with this [Cabin Fever] symbol" was one of Cyn's directives. And a moment after that: "If Cyn wants these labs, we *burn them down*". Of course, only Doll knew of the patch, and since she wasn't there to contradict her, it made total sense for the others. 6:04 Taking this from another theory video: as Nori said in episode 8, it's a battle of will ; and the only times we see Uzi actually getting possessed or partially being under Cyn's influence is when she is extremely stressed. Think about it: - In episode 6, when Cyn possessed her, Uzi was terrified because the sentinels could have killed N. Same later on when Cyn did it again to make a hole in the door. She also used that as an oppotunity to convice N to turn on Uzi: "Miss me?", like she is coming back very soon and they should do something about her very quickly (which would have been to kill her). At that point, Doll could've been taken care of with the same FNAF jumpscare, and N would have been no match against Cyn (especially if she used holograms of Uzi). - In episode 7, when Uzi watched the video from Mitchell, she was horrified and that allowed Cyn (or maybe the Absolute Solver itself? The Solver design is so inconsistent that I can't tell) to get in. When Uzi got fully possessed, she was about to get killed by "Tessa", which is understandably quite terrifying. - In episode 8, at first Uzi resisted Cyn's attempt at possessing her because she was confident, but after Cyn respectfully inflicted maximum trauma upon them, when she was next to N, she was likely very stressed, from N having a panic attack, the many hands pulling jumpscares on them, and Cyn just spamming Callback Ping like she has an autoclicker. Even episode 4 when Uzi makes the flesh thing it would make sense since you're probably not very calm after almost being shot in the head ; but I believe that this isn't actually Cyn, nor Cyn's Absolute Solver who caused this, but indeed it was Uzi's, since she was overheating. That transition also made V think this was Cyn, since she knows that Cyn can make flesh too. So she likely confused the two. 8:24 "Solver needs host" - Nori Maybe the Absolute Solver doesn't care because it will always have a host. Why Cyn would do that though... well, she does have a god complex, with good reasons. If you read all of this, then congratulations: you read all of this. :)

[@KaiserCydra]

I always read all of it. I love the ideas and discussions you guys create. To add to some of your ideas, extreme stress does seem related to Cyn’s ability to possess, but why target only Uzi? Doll is still a teen, it can’t be that hard to force her into a stressful situation, hell, Cyn manage to force her hand to create a short term partner with J and “Tessa”, so why did she “not need her anymore”

[@endercrafto3]

​@@KaiserCydra In the end all Solver users are a threat, so maybe Cyn wanted to have one that she can easily possess as a backup plan, and since it's easier to use Uzi she got rid of Doll which could be a threat.

[@CyrilSmithVA]

Watching these vids of your is helping my research for my Murder Drones AU Audio Drama I'm doing. Cyn in the series will not be the main host for the series well at lest not anymore

[@KaiserCydra]

Ngl my brain thought AU stood for “Among Us” but not because of the game lol, but because Liam has written a series on his Creepy Pasta channel called Design and it had a short live spin off called Design Killer AU, the AU standing for Among Us. Anyhow good luck with that, hope some of my ideas and the ideas that are being built here help creates some fun a unique!

[@CyrilSmithVA]

@@KaiserCydra Appreciate. To sum up the story It's like Genlock, where humans put their minds in Combat Drones. And the new host is like a combination of Ultron, Alex Mercer and Carnage. Basically a prequel that carries to present day of Murder Drones. And Humanity is still around

[@storytellernegative1]

I think that V made a deal with Cyn to protect N by making N hate her. its a lot simpler and also a lot more evidence considering we see that V is really timid as a maid, but really aggressive and violent (something N doesnt like) as a disassembly drone. so when Cyn (the yellow solver in Uzi not Uzi's purple solver like before) shows up, V gets mad that Cyn isnt keeping her promise. of course, that doesnt proclude her requirement to kill solver users, so when Cyn shows up, she just gets really frustrated and decides "fine, Ill kill Uzi. if its Uzi, then Cyn has no reason to bother us cause I am doing my job twice over making N hate me and getting rid of a solver. if it is Cyn, then I can kick her back to whatever dark hole she crawled out of to possess Uzi. win win" that isnt to say that other things arent part of it, or that the deal is bigger, or that there arent even mutliple deals layered upon eachother and V just doesnt remember which is which, since ALL disassembly drones show signs of memory issues in general, so who knows if she can even fully remember. as to why I think Cyn and V made a deal where V makes N hate her, its because Cyn wanted to sneak in there and take that empty love hole for herself after seeing she couldnt take it from V before, and also why she showed up as Tessa, someone Cyn knew N already liked, but shen he distrusted her, Cyn was like "well, crap. I need a new method to get him to like me." which is probably also why she goaded Uzi into eating the black hole null point, she already ate a ton and knew they were chilling in there, and hse clearly had more power than them to present herself instead of them, so she only had to get Uzi to eat her and share the control of the body (sort of). probably didnt go exactly to plan, but she also probably ran out of planets/colony's to try this with and to play around on. all the "destroy the universe" stuff is all fan theory and character speculation, after all. "The Singularity Awakens" more likely refers to the fact Cyn got the Null Point (and immortality from it considering she could live without her heart and change bodies... maybe) and the Null Point resembles a black hole, or in most sientific circles, "the singularity", in this case awakening with her in it. we never actually learned what she wanted, but considering she only ever cared about N, and tended to pretend to be people he liked like V and Tessa, it makes the most sense if she doesnt understand how love works and tried again and again to make him like her mostly through brute force. as to the hunt and the control, deal with the absolute system (as it refers to itself on her face) and the need to prevent soemone else from taking N away, taking her power away, and actually managing to perma kill her, since I do think it is 100% possible to permanantly kill a Solver user without eating the heart. My proof? Yeva is dead but no Solver Users were around that we know of, but V killed Yeva... which means either the healing is not universal (and Uzi could have died much earlier in the series without ever realizing it) or there is a way to permanently kill Solver Hosts. really, Yeva makes the most problems with ANY theories about the Solver since she acts and behave VERY differently from everyone else, from pictures, to powers (what we see basically being Dolls), to treating other solver hosts, to BEING FUCKING DEAD. really, how does this not get brought up more? J? died and came back. Uzi? repaired from lethal states at least 2 times, and serious injury multiple times. N did come back from the dead in the pilot and other places. V probably died and came back when the sentinels fucked off. Yeva? dead dead. not even nesting doll dead like Doll, just dead. WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH YEVA?!?! HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?! WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE DEAD RUSSAIN ROBOT MOM?! HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?! NORI GOT HIT WITH NANITE ACID AND YEVA WAS ONLY TORN APART?! WHAT THE HELL KILLED YEVA?! HOW IS SHE DEAD?! HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?!?!?!?!

[@storytellernegative1]

and before someone tells me "V ate Yeva's Heart", her chest isnt torn open and like Kaiser said, V DOESNT KNOW HOW TO KILL A SOLVER HOST! She ate parts of both parents, clearly and from her own words, but she didnt get inside of them. so how did Yeva die without her Heart beign eaten (which doesnt even kill to being with as seen with Cyn and Doll) and nanite acid (which also didnt kill Nori like it was supposed to) or even a Null Point/Black Hole (since she clearly still exists)

[@KaiserCydra]

Interesting idea that V cut her own deal with the Solver, makes me wonder if any of the other users cut their own deal 🤔, also yeah I wouldn’t touch Yeva’s death with 10 ft pole, nothing I or anybody says would be satisfying or would have to jump major mental gymnastics

[@storytellernegative1]

@@KaiserCydra I think I figured out why, and it makes sense in hindsight... J couldnt heal in episode 2 because "new material cant be pulled from thin air" -Uzi episode 2. Assuming Yeva didnt eat anybody and expended all that she did eatt while forced to by JC Jenson, then she couldnt heal.

[@Lundsfordfilms1976]

but hey thats just a theory ... a film theory!

[@KaiserCydra]

Thanks for watching!

[@spearwind8856]

Woooooow yeah babby let's go

[@lordnoasupershow6778]

Few of my points: 1.In the episode 5, when N refers to Solver as Cyn's eldritch thing. Solver corects it by stating all of his titles. 2.Cyn and Solver are later shown switching places and one Solver camera moved on it's own while caged. 3. In Absolute Destruction when Nori cames from a hole, she and solvers are moving separatly.

[@endershadow2554]

Also, If Cyn was The Absolute Solver, when fighting people, wouldn't she be able to stop them from regenerating or using solver powers?

[@SunnysidezVa]

No thats cuz uzi became their admin

[@jade_orb]

@@SunnysidezVa Except Uzi wouldn't become the admin until the end.

[@SunnysidezVa]

@@jade_orb and they fought cyn in the end

[@Kirakishou7]

@@SunnysidezVa I think they were referring to the other Solver hosts like Uzi. However, Doll couldn't regen after having her chest ripped opened by Cyn even though Uzi could in EP8 in moments, so very inconsistent.

[@SunnysidezVa]

@@Kirakishou7 thats cuz she was damaged so much to the point she couldnt regen, which happened to j in ep 1, the solver regens so long as there is enough material which wasnt the case for doll There is nothing inconsistent

[@andrewler13theundeadwarrior]

Wooooo yeah!

[@poppamanjs3732]

What always confused me was the subtitles referring Cyn as Solver but I assume they put it that way to not spoil her because she isn't formally/fully introduced until ep 5 because they also did it to Nori referring to her as heart in ep 7 and 8 Note:I haven't watched the vid but am now

[@jade_orb]

Yeah, that was my assumption too with the whole subtitle issue.

[@KaiserCydra]

I just assume someone outside the writing team is doing the subtitles and doesn’t get a lore check

[@Jazzy_J_cub]

Oh shit I didn't realize that you knew about doll being part of Uzi anyways there's something I have to tell you that might make you excited but remember it could be fake

[@KaiserCydra]

Any clue or idea is a welcomed here, no matter how out there is might be 😁

[@Callbackping-08]

To be honest Cyn is my favorite character she or it is hilarious always so goofy and love the theory

[@gameslayer3976]

I JUST FOUND A MASSIVE PIECE OF EVIDENCE PLEASE READ: I know I’ve already left a comment, and there are so many on this video- but hopefully you see this. There is a boot-up message in Episode 5 on Cyn’s screen which is- I kid you not- a message from the Absolute Solver to Cyn to make a deal with her, offering to help her out in exchange for control saying, “I will not discard you.” From the moment that Cyn accepted that help, the Solver was in control 😮

[@Greenomb]

I’m gonna be honest, I feel like a lot of the trouble figuring out the lore and character motives just comes down to Liam’s writing. Like he clearly focuses more on having big epic moments and a veil of intriguing mystery but then only fleshes these elements out as much as he needs to. Which I don’t mean as a criticism cause it’s what made the show as engaging as it is but it also means there’s never going to be a clear and consistent answer to these questions. But then again, filing the holes in the plot with fan interpretations is half the fun.✨

[@jade_orb]

We al know you're right but don't want to acknoledge it lol

[@KaiserCydra]

I feel like he does this because he trust the fan base to come up with and “build weird lore” as he put in in his goodbye SSTWL video

[@Thistletounge]

Drop everything it's here

[@Symbolical661]

Keep It up!

[@EclipseVenexus]

WE’RE DOING A SEQUEL BAYBEEE

[@KaiserCydra]

Next is a Threequel

[@devil__moon]

8:04 its a CYN drawing why nobody talks about Nory knowin the form of Cyn with Tessa ???

[@User-Usif]

Wohoo part 2 it's none

[@Uzidoorman-solver]

I think that uzi’s tentekels that Cyn gave her because cyn can Sumon tentekels

[@eannnasufovic7797]

We actually knew from new home that the solver and Sin are seperate entitys, when Sin was in the junkyard and damaged and she let the solver into her system witch caused her corruption and infection as Sin never wanted to harm anyone she was just a friendly worker drone but now corrupted by the solver

[@KotKotowski-MDFAN]

About V this is like… Okay we Doing Job and She not Back and kill US… but in the same time when CYN not look at us close… RUN From The Planet with N… V🤝J… But in Ep6 V see the TESSA is CYN (when Uzi Hug N) and After this trying to kill Herself and with this Death ESCAPE CYN game Forever… but in the last seconds She see what She do and V start’s Fight…and In finale She is MAD when see J working With CYN for Real… J is not BAD , She trying to save V from CYN… But V not Accpet offer- and they Not RUN from CYN but J is Scared and Working with CYN… If not CYN kill her and revive like ♾️…

[@makennalee-r4f]

wait v named the sentianal sparky

[@KaiserCydra]

Idk if she named it Sparky but its official name is Sparky. And he’s a good little dingo!

[@korekiyo4814]

Is it me or was the messages when N was knocked out different is a weird way?? I didn’t check so I might be wrong but in the first episode when N gets knocked out it says “You’re dead[idiot]” it felt weird cuz like, was that N doing the message or was he programmed to do that?? Also in Episode 7 when it says “Knocked tf out” or I think that’s what it says, how??? But yeah:3 it might just be that for comical relief but I don’t know

[@MintyboyVRofficial]

IM HERE YAYAYAYAYAYAY

[@KaiserCydra]

YIIIIIIIPPPPPIIIEEEE!!!!

[@MintyboyVRofficial]

I’m commenting this after watching a little, as always, amazing work!

[@MintyboyVRofficial]

@@KaiserCydra:)

[@Sunset_rises]

I don’t remember if you said this in the video or not but in episode 5 cyn refers to her self as the solver of the absolute fabric again you probably said it but I’m lazy 😂

[@Bailey144]

Like I said in the comments of part one in the subtitles of ep 8 it says SOLVER not CYN meaning it’s the other way around

[@Loganttg]

im 4th comment i havent watched the video yet but i will edit in my comment about this vid edit: IM MAD I WANT THE ANSWER, IS IT CYN OR SOLVER?!?!?

[@KaiserCydra]

The answer is whatever your head cannon is… sorry if that doesn’t make you feel better lol. In all seriousness, I find not having an definitive answer to be half the fun

[@BlueAmpharos]

7:36 Nice syncing, idiot! No, actually, nonsarcastic nice syncing, I was just referencing Cyn there. For the joke, the bit. Just meming, but not joking about the syncing being nice.

[@KaiserCydra]

Thanks for that, they’re honestly unintentional but I always smile when I find a scene that just happens to sync to whatever I’m yapping about

[@fizzzydev]

Most of the comments you got on the code are actually wrong. It's PHP code and everything that's written there are just basic commands that are usually used everywhere. Nothing special or hidden there. PHP is actually used on servers but usually only for websites and databases.

[@Axolotl_2347]

I still kinda think Cyn was innocent, and then after getting corrupted she went crazy.

[@KaiserCydra]

Yeah my friend is personally a huge fan of the idea of Cyn embracing the solver and being corrupted by it, but I think it might’ve also gone both ways, where Cyn made the solver more child like

[@Axolotl_2347]

@ I think the solver takes aspects of its hosts personality. Cyn obviously acts more childlike, cus she presumably was a robo-child or at least acted immature, Eldritch J acts very formal by using words like “We are trying to repair this host as per our directive.” Which would make sense for J to act very formally, when Uzi is possessed she doesn’t really act goofy and childish like Cyn does, and neither did Nori. I think when Cyn woke up in the junkyard she made the deal with the solver, which she couldn’t really refuse cus if she did it would mean she would die alone in the junkyard, and then she slowly got more corrupted once she entered the manor until after like a few weeks she fully succumbed to the solver.

[@rastale_lol]

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[@EthanChua-v3p]

I have a feeling that Rimworld has a lot of connections to this universe. Let me explain. From powerful mechanoids who can manipulate space and time and control the flesh itself, to psychic powers bestowed by the ‘gods’ themselves, to blackholes that look like and possibly act like portals to the void dimension itself, a power which is of great unknown, and of course, needing hosts to either wield such power or to achieve their goals. For Rimworld, it is either to complete the transformation of an archotech or theoretically free Horax from the void dimension which unintentionally at the same time allowing the void dimension to start slowly and surely consume the universe to satisfy its insatiable hunger(theoretically). But for the MD universe, it is theoretically to permanently open the universe to the void dimension itself. Hence that’s why the void created the AS and such artefact to act as a carrier to arrive on Earth, infect a dead drone as a host, learn about humanity, the universe and its flaws and ultimately open up portals to the void to allow the void to consume the universe itself, which the void in turn will grant the AS power to create and control its own universe, while at the same time ‘rescuing’ the drones the host persona(aka Cyn) personally like like N.

[@EthanChua-v3p]

Oh yeah, the archotechs had the mechanoids as its army, which were created by the humans. Same with Cyn’s army of disassembly drones, which the drones were originally created by the humans. And both share the same function of helping to acheive their master’s goal by eliminating all threats, resistance and difficulties that can be a danger to the AS goals, wants and existence.

[@KaiserCydra]

Interesting comparison, gonna have to check RimWorld out someday