Someone Is ANGRY! RUTHLESSNESS - EPIC: The Musical | Vocal Coach Reaction (& Analysis)

Vocal Coach Reaction & Analysis to Ruthlessness from EPIC: The Musical
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[@icemagiciangh]

Poseidon summoning a choir just to shout his name for a dramatic entrance will never not be funny to me

[@Ghostinasuit]

He’s such a drama Queen I love it

[@draeonic]

@@icemagiciangh I'd absolutely do that too if I had that power

[@rapha690]

Actually, the choir is diegetic in this song, it's formed by the Laestrygonians in the island

[@RayGainbows]

Considering how dramatic the ocean can be, its pretty accurate 🤣

[@marthafein1149]

@@Ghostinasuit It's not just Poseidon who's a drama queen. That's pretty much characteristic of all the Greek gods.

[@scorpioblueeyes7388]

A round of applause for Wet Hades everyone

[@gasaiyuno9608]

Pffft 😂

[@ismael9619]

I don’t get it

[@scorpioblueeyes7388]

@@ismael9619 a reference to a now infamous reaction by CF Entertainment (aka Casper) who, in a hilarious bit of confusion, made the theory that the person who shows up at the end of “Keep Your Friends Close” is Hades, when it’s actually Poseidon. Thus, a lot of Epic fans have taken to calling Poseidon “Wet Hades”

[@TheNarrator497]

👏 👏 👏

[@CFEntertains]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@belledial7871]

fun fact, when steven rodriguez, who voices poseidon, was recording his parts for this song, he would hold a literal trident while singing in the studio

[@dustybooks_]

that's so real of him actually. gotta get into character lmaoo

[@elodiepollock7326]

Method singing

[@stupido-um4xo]

He's gotta get in character

[@songhuy8908]

I read somewhere they would flood the booth too lol

[@Scott-ql2kx]

@@songhuy8908 That would be a bad idea for so many reasons, including the sound of water being picked up by the mics as well as any risk of damaging equipment, as well as how uncomfortable it would be to stand in, and how they'd then get the water out. Definitely made up.

[@matthewmoore7527]

Odysseus: “I am your darkest moment, I am the infamous Odysseus!” Poseidon: “I am your darkest moment, the monster who always draws nearer.” Yeesh, Poseidon is really throwing that right back into Odysseus’ face.

[@eleonorawitzky5832]

Right??? That is one of my fav moments

[@aadityayanamandra8846]

Don't forget the "remember me" at the end of Ruthlessness lol.

[@Ignis930]

Like the tide lol

[@errantstars8294]

I mean, Odysseus did say that to Polyphemus after BLINDING him so I would throw that back at him too

[@MacKnight]

Dont forget the part, where Poseidon said, ''You totally could have avoided all this if you'd just killed my son, 'But Nooooo'. And then proceeds to drop a baby.. referring to when Odysseus dropped the Troy prince from the walls..

[@icemagiciangh]

“I’m pausing a lot. I’m just scared.” Girl, with this song, that’s fair

[@jenwonderland3323]

Poseidon has TONS of kids, Polyphemus being just one of them. He doesn't really care about him. He is more focused on the fact that someone hurt HIS kid. It's the principle of it. Poseidon's reputation would suffer if he DIDN'T retaliate. Odysseus could have either killed Polyphemus or kept his mouth shut, and Poseidon would have never known. It would have been the same to him like, 'Oh well.'

[@JenniferGlatzhofer]

Gotcha!☺️

[@supattreewatanawong5025]

no no Poseidon may has TONS of kids but he care about all of his kid in greek mythology Poseicdon is a very lovely father who very love and care about his kid

[@scorpioblueeyes7388]

@@supattreewatanawong5025this is true enough in Greek mythology, but I don’t think it’s true for EPIC’s version of Poseidon, at least going by how he talks

[@bradleybarnett1469]

​@scorpioblueeyes7388 yeah, they're going for a darker take on Poseidon. Not the same as he usually is. Just like how Aoelus is a woman in Epic instead of a man, and that Polites dies to Poluphenus instead of staying alive until... What happened recently

[@supattreewatanawong5025]

@@scorpioblueeyes7388 but what he talk is to mock Ody he didn't mean he want Ody to kill his son.

[@terral-ferma2731]

The thing I love about this song is that Poseidon isn’t angry Odysseus blinded his son, he’s angry because Odysseus didn’t finish the job

[@mickmash13]

In ancient Greece, death by battle was considered honorable. Elysium (the best part of the underworld) was reserved for great warriors and kings. So not only did Odysseus blind his kid then dox himself in a fit of hubris, he also denied polyphemus an honorable death.

[@zacharyharwell351]

It's also a bit of an insult to think that, in the world of the mythos, that some random human has the sheer AUDACITY to disfigure and disable a being who is very likely to have at least a celestial patron if not parent, and then LEAVE HIM WITH HIS NAME. In that context, that's not too far from, in gamer terms, "Get wrecked, you suck, should have been better." Which, considering POSEIDON is Polyphemus' Dad, Oddyseus basically told Poseidon (one of the elder and more powerful of the Gods) that he ain't shit, and to do something about it. Without meaning to, he basically asked for it.

[@kennethmorgan8795]

@@zacharyharwell351 while mostly true: Ody isn't some random human. All the gods knew he was Athena's... 'champion' also the widely accepted story is that Ody's great grandfather was Hermes.

[@IamMeHere2See]

I also like to think Poseidon is angry that Odysseus left a witness, and now _he_ has to show up & exact vengeance because he cannot have his enemies think he won't respond. He fought Polyphemus, but how he won was an affront to his authority. Plus, the whole "false righteousness" must gall him, as a mortal had more moral integrity than himself.

[@rissalayland654]

"The line between naivety and hopefulness is almost invisible" was basically Posidon saying "you really thought after my monolog I would let you go like that?" 😂

[@cdbitesky]

Honestly, it came across to me more like Odysseus making excuses is naive. Like he's trying to persuade Poseidon instead of actually owning up to the wrong of his actions. If he had truly apologized, Poseidon may have let the crew live and just killed Ody

[@SilkyCrow]

@@cdbitesky I had a similar line of thought except I don't for a second think he'd have spared any of them, his whole song is about ruthlessness, leaving anyone alive is inviting some kind of retaliation and would basically be mimicking what Ody did with the cyclops. I think he's saying both that "it's naive of you to think I would actually spare you" and "you call that an apology?"

[@BeyondTrash-xe1vs]

​@@cdbiteskyActually this is exactly what was considered an apology in Greek culture. It's as the commenter replied to said. This entire song about Ruthlessness, there's no way Poseidon would have spared them over a simple apology.

[@Syenthros]

Poseidon: "You hear that? That's what forgiveness sounds like; screaming and then silence."

[@ventusbruma1039]

Caaaaarrrrl! 😂😂😂

[@jmking4943]

Love me a Llamas with Hats reference

[@area52ron]

It started with 600 Polyphemus killed 7 which brings it to 593 men left Poseidon killed 550 men leaving 43 men left

[@RockwellSocratese]

Fun fact, Posiedon isnt just the god of the ocean. But of natural disasters. Earthquakes, Floods Tsunamis. He is the embodiment of destruction and Chaos, even more so then Zues. So it makes sense for him to have such a Harsh and Loud voice. The aggression he represents is Primal.

[@Definitely_Not_Shakespear]

I do like how this musical shows how powerful the gods are. First, we had Athena freezing time. Then, Aeolus trapping a storm in a bag. Now, we have Posiedon drowning a fleet with one word.

[@shadowcatX2000]

Athena didn't really stop time, she pulled Odysseus into his own mind so everything between them happened in an instant.

[@Definitely_Not_Shakespear]

@shadowcatX2000 My mistake. In most things, the ticking of a clock implies time shenanigans. So I always assumed Athena was stopping time

[@ControversialOpinionGuy]

Just wait for the 1v1 in 600 strike

[@anvithequarsonist]

@@Definitely_Not_Shakespear She does actually sort of alter time, she can pull people into a separate existence where they can have full mental conversations in an instant without changing the flow of time in the real world. Jorge calls this "Quick-Thought".

[@Definitely_Not_Shakespear]

@@anvithequarsonist Oh! That's cool!

[@mrdiamondore1014]

The part where the crew yells 'Captain' when they're being decimated gives me the chills almost every time.

[@scorpioblueeyes7388]

My favorite part that I realized just this listen is that the crew is also singing their death throes to the danger motif

[@natetheknight2809]

@@scorpioblueeyes7388 If you’re talking about their “Captain”s, I don’t know that they are here, actually, but you are close! On the fourth pair of notes in the “Danger is Nearby” motif is when the pitch is lowest (you can go back to the beginning of the song for the pitch of the “si-don”s, for a reference), where the fourth “Captain” seems to have a similar pitch to the second one (it climbs from the third). Why I say you’re close, though, is because, as I learned in a video done by Bog Dog that compiled many of the instances of the “Danger is Nearby” motif (which I highly recommend), when the “558 men” from the Underworld Saga call back to this moment, *their* “Captain”s actually *are* in the proper “Danger” motif (likely symbolizing not the danger in the situation of their death, but the danger those spirits currently are to his living crew sailing through the Underworld). If you were talking about another part of the music containing the “Danger” motif though, feel free to just see what I said as just a neat fact. 😂 I’d also love clarification if you did mean another part.

[@AirQuotes2962]

So, the idea with Poseidon is that, since Polyphemus reached out to him for help and had a name to give, Poseidon had to get involved and take vengeance on Odysseus. He is annoyed and angry with Odysseus because if Ody had killed Polyphemus or just not said his name, Poseidon wouldn't have to get involved. He doesn't actually care about his son.

[@supattreewatanawong5025]

oh no it not "Poseidon had to" He very willingly do it in mythology Poseidon is a very lovely father who very love and care about his kid and will protect/revange for them

[@aadityayanamandra8846]

@@supattreewatanawong5025 EPIC's poseidon is very clearly a different take on the character, though.

[@ZZMonkeysUncleZZ]

@@supattreewatanawong5025 This Poseidon is not as protective of his children.

[@rodinsilento2441]

Honestly he does care, but rather the concept of their morality is different. I mean do you want to see you loved ones suffer in their pain that they will forever to hold in their lives, and living in loathe to the person who did that to him, that's why he Poseidon said in this song he prefer he died than live in pain and suffering that oddyseus give to him.

[@IamWalkingDead1]

The wind bag thing is extra tragic when you know that in the original story they were like... An hour or so away from home, they could see the island, and some dumbass opened the bag, sending them away.

[@paytonkraft7564]

Just so you know, it is universally agreed upon that in Ruthlessness, Poseidon beats the crap out of and throws Odysseus around as he's singing and lecturing him about ruthlessness.

[@VegaTheLyra]

As Casper *_wrongly_* predicted, Wet Hades! Btw the Posiedons at the start the "sie-don" part of that is a motif known as the danger is nearby motif, which appears throughout the musical in obvious and not so obvious ways Also some have speculated that Poseidon was never going to accept Ody's apology, no matter what it was as his next line "the line between naivety and hopefulness is almost invisible" is him saying that Ody was hopeful, to an almost naive degree, that he had a chance of being spared

[@draeonic]

@@VegaTheLyra could also be read as Poseidon was hopeful that he'd get an actual apology then felt stupid about it given that Odysseus is constitutionally incapable of giving one

[@VegaTheLyra]

@@draeonic ah, that would work, but it seems more like the line is mocking Ody to me

[@danieldavid3766]

@@draeonicTo be fair, in Ancient Greek culture, that _is_ considered an apology. Especially to a higher power, an apology is either an explanation for why one did something or a sacrifice in their name, and since they didn’t have anything to sacrifice on their ship, Odysseus did the former. Poseidon didn’t care, obviously.

[@scorpioblueeyes7388]

That was how I always read it! I get a little frustrated when people hyper fixate on how what Ody said “wasn’t an apology”, when it didn’t really matter what he said. The whole point of the song was that Poseidon was never going to spare them, because Ruthlessness is mercy.

[@VegaTheLyra]

@@scorpioblueeyes7388 I honestly agree with that more than the other interpretations because it would go against Posiedon's _entire_ philosophy to spare Ody and his crew

[@valen2040]

I always love the way Poseidon throws Ody's words back at him with the lines 'I'm your darkest moment' and 'Remember me.'

[@fiasomething]

3:06 danger motif recognized naturally !!

[@robertmartens9072]

You say he got distracted by the love of his life which fair but the poor man had also been awake for 9 days straight so give him some credit

[@JayietheRiverWarrior]

Right? 😂 He did everything he could, it’s his crew’s fault for being dipshits and opening the bag

[@shadowcatX2000]

One thing to keep in mind, we know the Piano is Athena's instrument. If it's in a song she's either present or watching.

[@Nebulous-f4s]

I know a couple of people have said this already, but the background vocals for Poseidon(Wet Hades) are the Laestrygonians. The Laestrygoniansare the giants that Aoelus was referring to in Keep Your Friends Close

[@Vegetafan1997]

Poseidon is more annoyed that he has to do something for his son than if his son died. So petty

[@Coolkid99880]

Idk, gods tend to take joy out of attacking and tormenting mortals. I think it was more of being insulted that Odysseus had the nerve to think he was above killing one of HIS sons. In Ancient Greece it’s more insulting to leave an enemy injured instead of killing them.

[@cinnamun3146]

I like how the melody for "all i gotta do is open this bag" was the same melody from "keep your friends close"

[@arclight117]

I love how much of lyrics you understand fully 😄 So many people disregard ruthless is mercy, the second they hear posideon ask for an appolgy no realising posideon is messing with him. Both the "I am your darkess moment" and "remember me" was what Ody said to the Cyclops xD

[@BeyondTrash-xe1vs]

Yeah it baffles me how many people think the problem here was how Odyseeus apologized. That's completely missing the point, and it's not Odyseeus being prideful. He's happy to bow down prostrate before God's.

[@GabriellaPrimo36]

It's so refreshing and incredibly validating to see someone else just utterly gobsmacked and amazed by Steven Rodriquez's voice. The way he has all of our hearts, man 😅

[@HeiwaJiyu]

Cringe

[@dandegoat]

Lol... "Poor Odysseus. A lot went down."

[@stiletteleray1326]

Loved you calling out Odysseus intellect at the end. The main lesson of the Odyssey is that Odyssey is a man with high hubris/pride so while he may be witty he is not always successfully witty.

[@moonwatcher4047]

In the words of Queen Alysanne Targaryen: “but it is one thing to be clever and another to be wise. “

[@ControversialOpinionGuy]

Every time i hear this song, i get even more hyped for "get in the water" (an unreleased song from the Vengeance saga)

[@CFEntertains]

BANGERRRRRR (both R/A and song)

[@JenniferGlatzhofer]

🙌🏼🙌🏼😁

[@squishmeep203]

Wet Hades :)

[@MrJpc1234]

9:04 With the Greek Gods alot of people like to focus on their human qualities but forget that they are like Karmic Forces in the universe, he is also teaching Odysseus a lesson here that sometimes you have to make the ruthless and harsh choice for the greater good and the naive ideals can destroy you just as surely

[@MyOasis-0]

Ugh this is why I love watching musically trained reactors. I love hearing you gush about the insane vocality of these singers. I am also obsessed with the "I've been so gracious" delivery and I appreciate you giving it its due lol.

[@audreyii6750]

Poseidon has such raw lines "The pack of wolves is swimming with the shark now" "You are the worst kind of good, cuz youre not even great" "A greek who reeks of false righteousness"

[@VenyVen]

Essentially, because Odysseus let the Cycolps live, the latter was able to tell his father who harmed him in such a grievous way. If Ody had killed him, then Poseidon wouldn't have known who done it. Hence he wouldn't have come after Ody the way he did. Odysseus' version of mercy led to his crew having to take on the parental wrath of a god.

[@Valfara770]

Or he could just not have told him his name and then he also would have been left alone. So, killing the Cyclops wasn't the only solution, which I think a lot of people like to overlook.

[@VenyVen]

@Valfara770 True. If Odysseus hadn't given in to his anger and grief, and if Athena hadn't went and prodded the just made wound, he might have just kept quiet and none of this would have happened.

[@VegaTheLyra]

I'm just speculating here, maybe it is also about honour, how Ody's mercy did not let Polyphemus die honourably and instead left him with a life of suffering. This is just speculation

[@heathrin18]

@@Valfara770 well here's the thing, Ody may not have said anything about the cyclops but given how dumb his crew is THEY WOULD. In this and the original story, a lot of the follies are because of the crew. Ithaca is also right next to the ocean so Poseidon would probably hear because of some dumbass on the beach or a boat boast to someone else "You hear how he stabbed a cyclops in the eye after killing his best friend?" and the God would still come for retribution. It may have taken longer but it would have come. It's also a matter of how the Greeks view death. The Gods are much more Spartan in nature, an honorable death is to be killed by the better man...not be spared and left crippled forever...

[@MasterZeus94]

12:05 Nah. No, he won't. He just sang an entire song about how one needs to be cold-hearted because that's what spares you the pain down the line. He just wanted to see if Ody understood the entire point. Which he didn't. More than that, Odysseus didn't apologise - he gave an excuse for his action. Naively / Hopefully thinking he could convince Poseidon to spare them.

[@ZerkaiGG]

One note is that Poseidon asked that Odysseus to apologize for his action or die. In Odysseus' whole spiel there's one thing he didn't do; He didn't apologize. Like Athena he danced around the issue and made excuses for his actions, trying to outwit Poseidon into letting them go without actually apologizing, because Odysseus didn't want to apologize considering the Cyclops killed his best friend. That's what made Poseidon unleash his wrath on them.

[@idkanymore2.014]

I feel like Poseidon was either testing or fucking with Odysseus. Even if he actually apologized it would make no sense for Poseidon to grant him mercy after an apology. His whole song is about how ruthlessness is mercy upon our selves. Even the lyrics "the line between naivety and hopefulness is almost invisible" is saying Odysseus was being naive in the thinking he would actually grant him mercy.

[@BeyondTrash-xe1vs]

Greek's word for apology effectively means to explain oneself, this would have been considered an apology in their culture. Poseidon's next line makes it pretty evident it was just to give them false hope, I mean the entire song he berated Odyseeus for being merciful and not ruthless. It makes no sense that he'd even consider letting them live over an apology.

[@matheusedele7551]

in 3:08 you're singing the "danger motif" that is a sign that some sort of danger is nearby, a nature disaster, a monster or in this case, a god. It will pop up a lot more for now

[@AquaticDot]

It's been present since song one. It's been in like 5 songs at this point. 😂

[@matheusedele7551]

@@AquaticDot ik, i mean that will be a lot more common from now, almost all of them

[@AquaticDot]

@@matheusedele7551 Fair!

[@thomasmontgomery958]

Please note that Poseidon asked Odysseus to apologize, but he didn't ever say sorry once, he just tried to explain his actions 😊

[@UsagiKasanagi]

“When does the reason become the blame?”

[@niapurdue230]

To be fair, he does the Ancient Greek version of an apology which is to explain the logic behind actions and hope the other party took it well.

[@Kalvirl]

In ancient Greece, being maimed was considered worse than being killed. That's why Poseidon is upset that Odysseus did not kill his son.

[@dr.rikkytikkytavy6663]

well, as you can see, in the Greek culture of that time, killing someone in a fair fight is much more honorable than leaving them disabled. For Poseidon, if his son died, it would be just a fair fight that he lost, but Cyclops was blinded and left helpless, and also challenged by telling his name to him. This is a huge disrespect that he could not tolerate, since a challenge to the Cyclops is a challenge to Poseidon himself. so he says that murder in this case would be a much better move

[@draeonic]

@@dr.rikkytikkytavy6663 did you mean "more" honorable?

[@dr.rikkytikkytavy6663]

@@draeonic yep sorry, English isn't my language 😅

[@laurentloutrance855]

"ho it's the ending okay. I love how they bring back..." *suspicious look at the screen and then at the camera * "Who is that? Who are you?" 🤨 😂

[@Salinaut]

Steven Rodriguez has the most AMAZING voice. Jeremy Jordan is my favorite male vocalist, but Steven is a VERY close second. His grit just scratches that impossible to reach itch in the back of my brain. Also, I love that you particularly called out the "Worst kind of good" line, because it's one of my favorites. It confuses some people, but the way I interpret it, Odysseus is the worst kind of (moral) good, because he's not (reputation-wise) great. He's a good man, but mediocre, and Poseidon hates that about him. The other best line is "The pack of wolves is swimming with the sharks now." Cause it kinda shows "Hey, I respect that you're a badass king and general, your men are powerful. But you're on my turf now."

[@max_2da_max336]

13:54 stressed_2da_max? Nah, that's my cousin 😅 seriously though, love your reactions, can't wait for you to enter the Circe (which, somewhat counter-intuitively, is pronounced "Sir-see") Saga!

[@JenniferGlatzhofer]

Hahah yes! I know now😂🙈

[@Anurahm_Kycor]

He's not sending mixed signals. Ruthlessness hammers the 3 major morals that Odysseus needs to learn. 1). Being indecisive or inactive while in a leadership role makes you worthless. 2). Wanting to protect lives without the commitment to kill is fool hardy and childish. 3). Mercy is a privilege afforded to the strong, if you aren't strong enough you can't afford it.

[@ugxsan]

8:55 No mixed messages. IMO Poseidon isn’t upset Polyphemus got hurt, he’s upset that someone thought so little of him as to spare his son. It makes him look bad.

[@Charlie._.Niron22]

Man, Steven Rodriguez is sooooo Good!!! I love his voice, now I can't hear any myth about Poseidon without his voice!!

[@ivysylvan]

The say sorry and then I won't kill you is a bit of a trap Poseidon set for Odysseus. Ody takes the bait, apologizes, and asks for mercy, which only cements for Poseidon that Ody needs to die. Had Ody owned it, said yeah, Polyphemus had it coming, he hurt my men so I hurt him back, THAT at least Poseidon could have respected. This? Nah.

[@MrSmile078]

Nah the problem is that he didn’t actually apologize he just give his reasoning for hurting Polyphemus and Poseidon didn’t care about who is to blame or self defense he wanted Odysseus on his knees and promising building him a temple or some type of big sacrifice as a way to appease him.

[@draeonic]

@@ivysylvanOdysseus did *not* apologize; he minimized and justified. I'm not claiming that an actual apology would have changed anything, but we can't know for sure, because he didn't give one. ETA: he also doesn't ask for mercy, come to think of it.

[@draeonic]

@@MrSmile078 yup, nothing the gods love more than a good dose of grovelling before their power

[@ivysylvan]

@@MrSmile078 Jorge actually confirmed this in a video he did re: Ruthlessness, but I can't find it at the moment (at work right now). Either interpretation works, but I go with Jay's.

[@MorbidMacabre]

​@@draeonic he DID apologize. In terms of ancient Greek culture, explaining ones actions was a proper apology.

[@anthonycolby8424]

Love the raise eyebrow on the line “you reveal your name, then you let him live?!” It’s like Poseidon has this “you really tried pulling that on me?” feel when he chastises Ody

[@roxyraccoon9126]

Yup. Polyphemus is the son of Poseidon and the sea nymph Thoosa. So yeah, Polly just went "Daddy, they bullied me!" Also in mythology Poseidon was pissed a lot so it's a lie that he's rarely angry. He's been causing earthquakes left and right.

[@bedrockharvester]

Poseidon was a lot more angry and active as a god pre Greek dark age since he was the biggest god of the Pantheon at the time due to how dangerous the sea was. The Trojan war and the subsequent Odyssey take place during the Greek dark ages when Posideon fell down several ranks of the Pantheon as ships and navigation improved.

[@MorbidMacabre]

More like he said "dad, they killed my pet, drugged me and then stabbed my eye out and then gave me their whole identity." It was literally considered worse to leave someone disabled than to just kill them. Odysseus majorly disrespected Polyphemus and his father as a result. Lol that's not really bullying and is a valid reason to call your god father

[@roxyraccoon9126]

@MorbidMacabre I know, I was trying to think like Polyphemus, because him being a runt would probably not understand the disrespect part.

[@sethevett950]

Need me an entrance soundtrack like that.

[@lorivalley]

I'd like to tell you more about Poseidon in greek mythology to help you understand his relationship with the cyclops and his anger. Poseidon, as we know, is the god of the seas, horses, earthquakes, and storms. Anyone who died in his domain of the seas, were never going to encounter Hades, he claims them. So everyone's statement of "Wet Hades" is more fitting than they'd initially think. (For the usual greek mythology, that is.) There's also the fact that Poseidon had multiple children, but one of these are the cyclops themselves. All of them are Poseidon's kids. And back in the Greek times, they have a specific way to live by. Being killed in combat is a great honor, but being left alive was a disgrace and insulting, which is a gist of it. Hence why he says, "You could've prevented all of this by killing my son, but nooo," was a matter of fact that Odysseus didn't care at the time. Because Poseidon had to hear every time his son prayed in shame, since the other cyclops rejected him after he became blind. Your statement of Athena wasn't far off either, but I'd like to add more. She knew what would happen if Odysseus let the cyclops live. Her uncle (Poseidon) would mess him up, that's why she backed off. She could see that he would make too many mistakes, and so she's not going to interfere should anyone try to kill and punish him.

[@songsayswhat]

This is probably the most divisive animatic for the musical. There are two from two very talented artists. I love them both & strongly suggest you watch both as both takes are equally great.

[@smalltrashman4227]

Pretty funny how you caught Poseidon's trick before he sprung it! You're the only one who I've seen catch it so far! You're awesome! 😁

[@johnmatlock6943]

Poseidon said "I am your darkest moment" to Odysseus because That's exactly what Odysseus said to polyphemus in remember them

[@dumlord1581]

I love how Poseidon's lesson to Odysseus was not so much a punishment for harming his son but for being so careless as to give away his name and endanger his crew. He essentially told him, "You could have avoided ALL OF THIS if you had only been more careful and not let your ego get the better of you. Now, you will pay the price." Even when given the chance to apologize, Odysseus tries to worm his way out by making excuses and saying he took no pleasure in the act. The latter was NOT what Poseidon was angry at him for. And he does all of this to try and outsmart him, something the God of the Sea catches onto. So he effectively tells him, "How stupid do you think I am??" and eliminates all but 43 of his 600 crew as punishment not only for what he did to his son but for daring to be sly with him.

[@SylviaDragon]

so glad i waited long enough to check for an update that you came out with the whole storm saga when i checked back in. I was so excited to see your reaction to Ruthlessness, it would have killed me to have to have to wait in real time.

[@jk5067]

"What kind of flaw is personal loyalty and devotion to family?" Poseidon's apparently. think about it.

[@Lunar_Shifter7]

Apparently in Ancient Greece it was considered a insult to fight someone and then not kill them it was basically like saying they aren’t strong or important enough to kill or matter, so that’s why Poseidon is mad that Odysseus didn’t kill Polyphemus and he just blinded him instead

[@togucvinw7]

I’m glad to re discover Epic with your reactions Jen as you make me learn new things I might have not caught the first time I noticed here that you can hear the « Storm » motif near 9:27 for example 😊

[@inexplicablyrandom]

Girl i am INVESTED in your journey. I CANNOT wait for your reactions/reviews/analyses of the more recent sagas. HURRY AND MAKE THEM!

[@evergreengaming2.053]

#HurryAndMakeThem

[@lizlilliman3644]

Love that you pick up and sing a motif and dont know how many times you have heard it.

[@codex2345]

I absolutely love how intuitive the lyrics are throughout the musical. 14:30 You paused at 43 but already knew the next lines. This is easily why the music is so catchy and easy to sing along to. You hear it once and boom, it's in your head.

[@maddocks97]

Its because Poseidon knew he couldnt just apologise. He'd explain his way out like always. That's why he doesnt show mercy and kills the crew.

[@MorbidMacabre]

Explaining your actions WAS a proper apology in ancient Greek culture. He DID apologize. Poseidon was saying "bruh you're that stupid to think I'd let you go? Lmao you're so naive"

[@espressolattestudios]

Another meaning for the line "ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves" is that his son was better off dead than suffer while being blind for the rest of his life.

[@Ekami-chan]

Poseidon's voice is rough sexy, you can say it 😂 Also please react to Anniflamma's version of Ruthlessness animation, it's gorgeous too! :D

[@evergreengaming2.053]

13:34 *Solid 7 seconds of silence* "Yeh he doesn' cah."

[@Techcai.]

Wet hades yeahhhhh

[@rhov-anion]

Poseidon is one of the more CARING fathers in Greek mythology. He's not the sort of dad who is there for your birthdays, but he's a dad who will come when you call at 2AM and wreck the lives of whoever tried to hurt you. So Poseidon saying Ody could have avoided all this if he was more ruthless can point to two different but similar things: 1) Poseidon very well might have never known who killed his son, and he wasn't the sort to hunt down an unknown assailant. 2) In Greek culture, being disabled by an opponent without being killed was a shameful thing. It's almost like "You're not worth me killing you." So Ody blinding Polyphemus but letting him live was an insult to him... and that shame gets share with Poseidon as well. Like, "You sired a son so weak, his opponent didn't think he was even worth a killing." So this is about his own reputation. He can't let that slide. Poly would call out to his dad, Poseidon always comes to his children's aid, and if Poly knows the name of the man who disabled him, Poseidon has a target. Poseidon in modern stories is portrayed usually as a surfer, cool and chilling out, "duuuuude." In Greek mythology, he was notoriously ruthless. Most gods don't really care about humans beside seeing them as play toys. Some gods will only target the person who wronged them and leave it at that. Poseidon will beat you into a pulp, drown your friends and family right in front of your face, and THEN kill you. Slowly. Ruthlessly. It shows how much the Greeks feared and respected the sea.

[@beanofglory1051]

I can't guess how many times I've listened to this, but your reaction made it new for me: the insights you had into the musical choices & execution and your getting caught up in the music and in the feels. I'm so glad that you reacted to this and that I found it ❤ Looking forward to your take on AnniFlamma's animatic - that's the one I first saw, and it's amazing in its own right. Wishing you a great day, you deserve it!

[@JenniferGlatzhofer]

Thanks so much😁 my R&A on AnniFlamma’s video is on my Patreon now ☺️

[@midnight5027]

a very interesting note about the instrumental motifs here: the melody in STORM featured a trumpet, implying that the storm was sent by Poseidon (which it was in the source material)

[@MyCreativeArsenal]

I completely understand how much you love Posidon's voice, It's So Good!! Definitely Top 3 for me.😁 Also, love the constant quick piano throughout this song, Athena is represented by the piano, and she told Odysseus not to be merciful (or to be Ruthless) toward the Cylops, it's as if Odysseus has her warnings in the back of his mind while all this is happening, and she's saying, "I told you so." Great Reaction! Can't wait fir the next one!

[@tamarakail7926]

9:46 "i'm getting way too involved" GIRL WAS LIVING THE MOMENT😂👏

[@errantstars8294]

"It isn't very often that I get pissed off" the biggest lie in the entire musical

[@ceceduncan4615]

Let’s go Wet hades

[@milanvrolijks]

My Favourite song!! The voice of Poseidon is Steve Rodriguez. I love his voice too

[@dominikaa4110]

He was playfull not only because he won, but also because he told Ody the same, what Ody had told to Polyphemus. „I am your darkest moment" etc

[@nicholasmcmahan-watson9405]

Poseidon's comment "I am your darkest moment" was him repeating the words Odysseus said to the cyclops

[@OthelloSilvermoon]

Poseidon gets to say he's been gracious because, Technically he and Anthena do not get along and he is known for messing with her champions to the point that he doesn't even allow them on the sea, so basically By not killing poly Ody basically pissed off someone already disinclined to liked him. Someone he need to be on the good side of or he would never make it home.

[@queenofthepierats]

Wet Hades has arrived! Loved your reaction - it's really interesting seeing the things different people pick up on. 💖

[@matthewschneider4758]

Can't wait for you to react to "600 Strikes"...Never thought you could hear musical runs while screaming in pain... Something to look forward to!

[@tvanbus1759]

Steven Rodriguez is the voice of Poseidon, he has his own Spotify and youtube channel and has a good chunk of uhh passion filled songs

[@WittySomething]

And now I just imagine Posiedon singing them.

[@tvanbus1759]

@WittySomething So honestly if you ignore the fact that he's Poseidon and just listen to his other music, there's major Hades vibes.

[@lpatterson4441]

Steven Rodriguez’s vocals for Poseidon gives the Sea God 80s rock band vibes.

[@ThePhengophobe]

I'm pretty sure Jorge said that the vocalization of Poseidon at the start mirrored the brass melody that was in Storm, which is what gives us the musical que that it was Poseidon who sent the storm.

[@Sovreign071]

I also recommend Anniflamma's animatic of this! And worth noting: Odysseus gave plenty of excuses. But he never actually APOLOGIZED.

[@F.S.S.64]

And due to his pride, Odysseus gave excuses to Poseidon rather than apologize, and thus Poseidon resolved to kill em all. Man why is everything about pride

[@TheAngryXenite]

Let's be real, Poseidon was killing them no matter what Odysseus said. His whole song is about not letting yourself being bogged down by mercy when it gets in your way, you think he's gonna let the punk who crippled his son and then had the audacity to make some bullshit apology about it afterwards go?

[@MorbidMacabre]

Odysseus was, in terms of ancient Greek culture, giving a proper apology. Explaining ones actions was a proper apology. Poseidon was going to kill him regardless, even if he got on his knees and said he'd build him a temple. THAT'S what the naivety was: thinking an apology would fix things.

[@aerkan1048]

WET HADES amazing reaction! ^^

[@Sorathedemon]

So basically a couple of things here... 1. Great reaction! Loved you catching a lot of things. 2. Clarification: Poseidon is the father of Polyphemus, who told his father of Odysseus after being blinded. He was able to tell him BECAUSE instead of "nobody" he heard his actual name during Remember Them where Odysseus spoke his name in a moment of bravado and hubris despite Athena's warning. During the moment in which Poseidon tells him to apologize, its for a couple reasons. One is power, he is trying to force Odysseus to bow. Forcing him to admit his mistakes and apologize for not giving his son an honorable death by leaving the cyclops crippled. Two is that he is trying to see if Odysseus actually took his lesson to heart, if Ruthlessness is mercy on ourselves then Poseidon was never going to let him live. You also have to take account that during Odysseus' part he never actually apologizes, just justifies his actions and makes excuses.

[@SATURNS_OCEAN]

WET HADESSSSSSSSSS

[@alphateam3326]

Wet hades reaction!!!

[@auran5]

It's always so fun watching people who have NO idea about the Odyssey watch Epic the Musical It's been so long since I've learned about Odysseus' adventures as a little kid, I can't even remember a time when I didn't know them. So all of these bits that ratchet up the tension, I'm is just, "oh yeah it's about that part of the story"

[@area52ron]

It was stupid for Odysseus to think Poseidon wants to give him mercy but also disrespect him by not listening to him and being ruthless

[@cdbitesky]

> I am your darkest moment He sings this playfully because it's what Ody says to Polyphemus and he's mocking Ody

[@curlybirdy]

a lot of people tend to be confused about posiden saying "had you just killed my son" because you need to read/know about Homers "the Odyssey" to understand! cuz in the Odyssey, Odysseus blinded the cyclops and upon leaving he revealed his name and that he was responsible for his blindness. this caused Polythemus to tell his dad about what happened. Hence, when Poseidon says "you couldve avoided all this had you just killed my son" is him basically saying "if you had been ruthless and killed my son, 90% of your fleet wouldnt have drowned; i only found out because you told polythemus who you were"

[@silvertongue231]

It's like Odysseus forgot he had the windbag he could've avoided Poseidon all together

[@Mango-o5v]

15:34 ODYSSEYUS SAID THIS TO POLYPHEMUS! I just realized, as odysseyus left, he told Polyphemus “I am your darkness moment.” Ironic.

[@rissalayland654]

This was the song that got me into epic originally. It did not disappoint

[@lizlilliman3644]

Poseidon you can say was in storm, we heard brass instruments and one of the lines is " is it nature or devine". So i am certain that the storm is posidon

[@Dark_Wolf_846]

The point Posidon is trying to make is that had Ody not been stupid and revealed his name or had just killed his son, then he wouldn't have even known and had to take revenge. Not to mention, when Posidon told Ody to apologize, he didn't, he tried to justify his actions which pissed him off even more. Not that an apology would've saved him

[@koviticus8348]

so the deeper voices that sing "ruthlessness is mercy" in the background is actually supposed to be the Laestrygonian giants which Poseidon had them pelt the ships with boulders (in the recent live stream there was text describing what was happening which was awesome.)

[@ControversialOpinionGuy]

Its almost time for the *woman*

[@dragonforcesecretart7861]

What? -Odysseus