Sometimes Superior Sequels Have Inferior Sales - Delayed Input

[@JohnGuyJohn]

I'm never prepared for the end of a Delayed Input season.

[@kruai453]

I really appreciate you not spoiling it in the comment! I always seem to see those comments first

[@TheGrades90]

It's always hard, but the work he puts into the shirts and background make the break more than worth it.

[@Grogeous_Maximus]

I was kinda hoping he would let the cat host while he was on vacation

[@Bromeostasis]

I can't believe Jason Schreier is announcing Shrek 6 on Delayed Input next week!

[@Reido50]

Thank you for acknowledging the silent S in Sparks of Hope. Finally someone gets it right

[@quagthias]

I'm just genuinely happy to hear someone pronounce Davide correctly.

[@MagmAlex]

That Rebirth drop was perfectly timed. Instantly came to my mind when Kyle started describing a better sequel that underperforms

[@TerranIV]

I don't know how people could say Rebirth was better than Remake. Rebirth was bigger, but the story was lame and the Zack sections were boring and confusing, and the ending was just awful. I walked away from that game exhausted and not excited about part three.

[@MagmAlex]

@@TerranIV not saying you’re wrong, but I don’t know how you could say Rebirth wasn’t better than Remake. Sure the Zack sections were weird and the ending is divisive but that’s what, 2 hours of gameplay in a 100 hour game? The moment to moment gameplay and combat is head and shoulders above Remake. The soundtrack is one of the best of all time. The vibes are immaculate. The sheer amount of things to do is astounding. I disagree about the story. It’s a fairly faithful remake while expanding certain story moments perfectly. Sure the multiverse stuff isn’t that engaging but that’s mostly relegated to the Zack stuff and the ending

[@franciscobutte]

You remove the graphics and these two remakes are worst than the original one by far.

[@defreitas3514]

@@franciscobutte Rebirth smokes the OG.

[@AlwaysBetOnDunc]

I will come through and I think the first Remake is far better than Rebirth, the combat is great and better than the first, that's the only thing I prefer. actually exploring the world is boring and tedious, it's too obsessed with checklists and the very rote design ideas we've been plagued with in Open World games for the last decade, and the narrative is way too scared to actually answer on the promise of the ending of Remake to do anything interesting, constantly teasing some major change up to an ending that acts as if it is changing things when it is fundamentally uninterested in actually making any interesting choice. It is a disneyland video game, an utterly frictionless slog where everyone is constantly happy and nobody ever disagrees for more than two hours, as much as I like the combat, there's too much downtime between that to make it worthwhile. I also thought Remake had pacing issues but the difference there is a game I completed 100 percent in 30 hours versus a game I didn't even bother going for half the extra shit that lasted 100

[@Finalblue1234]

Tail Alert needs to be a mandated occurrence every episode

[@LEGIT_ELITE]

The delayed input lore grows further

[@berkleycox5287]

I spit my water out when that happened

[@Mermete8]

@@LEGIT_ELITE could you please remind me what that was about?

[@LE0NSKA]

you're the only guy who can make a list with one point being "too late" and the second "too soon" and I'm on board with

[@mjschlosser]

New subscriber here! Watched you on game trailers all the time and due to life I fell off gaming for a bit. But I’m back!!!!

[@PaleShelter123]

This has been my favorite set/theme for a Delayed Input season ever. So props for that, Kyle.

[@pikeroast1573]

That perfectly describes Time Splitters Future Perfect

[@LuigiMaster4]

It’s a shame Mario and Rabbids Sparks of Hope and FF7 Rebirth didn’t do well I enjoyed both games I wish more people would play them.

[@Ronin969]

More people would play rebirth if they released on pc. PS5 was just never worth getting for most people after the botched rollout and lackluster library.

[@Maple_Extract]

Not releasing Rebirth on PC was ... a choice. I think half of the FFXIV discord I'm in has yet to play it because of that.

[@pontyfaxjr]

So the kusarigama being illegal in Ireland is because we have rival families of travellers (Irish gypsies) who sometimes, in their feuds, have big fights with various medieval weaponry they somehow get ahold of. Morningstars, samurai swords, pikes etc. So there's basically a blanket ban on owning these things so they can be busted with them and arrested before anyone gets killed.

[@noiseworks]

link?!

[@KIager]

@@noiseworks No, Ganon is more influenced by the typical "Gypsy/Traveller" than Link is.

[@timmygilbert4102]

That was good ​@@KIager 🎉

[@yvesvermeersch3758]

As a non-Guillemot Yves, but an Yves nonetheless, I thank you for this small but important correction...

[@bobaloo20]

Nintendo did tell Ubisoft that launching a sequel on the same platform was likely to underperform. Considering it's 2024 and they haven't even officially announced the switch successor and the generally poor financial state of Ubisoft (since 2019 mind you), it's understandable Ubisoft weren't willing to wait, but it can't be said they weren't warned. Edit: Should mention kyle did bring this up; I'm sure the prolonged Switch life cycle has screwed up more than a few sequel plans. As for putting IPs back in the vault, I'm not sure Ubisoft has the leeway to really do that. Appropriately enough, it was the disaster of a sequel launch (Ghost Recon: Breakpoint) that has led Ubisoft to their current dire situation.

[@mrshmuga9]

And now the director and part of that team has moved on to become a new studio too.

[@cyxceven]

Nintendo takes the slow road, and now sits on top. Ubi investors want to get rich quick, and now languish under worthless stock. Womp womp.

[@nocapsbb]

3:33 "this is the story of a girrrlll..."

[@AlwayzFresh]

100% he did that on purpose, he always does.

[@r2micro373]

first time?

[@cheesewombatTV]

Not even posting a joke this week, just wanna piggyback off Kyle's talk of underrated sequels and say go play Octopath Traveler 2! Way better than 1, one of my favorite JRPGs of the last few years

[@thatoneguy1821]

Your haircut is on point. As well as the fit!

[@Lawrence4012]

So proud of your pronunciation of Yves.

[@PowerPakGames]

The tail alert made me think my fire alarm was going off for a second.

[@closedchill5243]

Great analysis. Yeah there are so many franchises I like it's pretty rare that I want 2 games from 1 franchise in the same 5-year console generation. Sparks of hope was really good, but I could see it selling much better on Switch 2. Freshness is very important in games. if you attempt a second game on a console, it needs extreme freshness. Don't worry FF7R3 will be the 'Return of the King' moment for the project. Bigger PS5 install base, the completed story, the complete trilogy bundle, the open world airship battles, probably PC day 1 too. watch Monster Hunter Wilds set the new trend for simultaneous release.

[@MonsterMJ]

Great episode kyle love this show so much thanks for all you hard work on this

[@thezx5795]

"I hope he has patience for all of them"🤣 Can't wait to hear how that goes

[@StoneColdMiracle]

wake up babe it's kyle bosman friday

[@illadelph42]

If an episode ever needed a JoJo “to be continued” this would have got perfectly 😝

[@TheCalComics]

I think the small examples of Hellblade 2 and Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth are pretty good encapsulations of a fourth reason why Sparks of Hope had no hope (A fourth, shadow reason): The previous game was surprisingly good, so there was no mystery of the sequel’s quality. Mario + Rabbids just from concept alone sounded like it could have been a disaster, so when it came out and impressions were great, it got people to check out this novelty. Similar to Ninja Theory crafting a beautiful, “AAA” looking game on a AA budget, and Final Fantasy 7 Remake releasing at all. When each respective sequel got announced, most people just assumed they would knock it out of the park again, so there was less incentive to get in early on discussion of a hidden gem.

[@patriciaconde]

delay input is officially a JoJo reference now

[@alexandrechoin]

me telling my friend who's getting into delayed input episode #2000: the yoooo at the end is a meta reference ok

[@Dyno_98]

Some other games where I felt the novelty of the Switch helped sell more copies where as it didn't work for the sequel/successor: Puyo Puyo Tetris 1 vs 2, Fire Emblem Three Houses vs Engage, Xenoblade 2 vs 3, and maybe, though I don't have the data, Octopath Traveler 1 vs 2

[@616Entertainment]

John Carpenter once said that the thing that made 1978's 'Halloween' great was, and I quote, "the illusion of depth, without any depth whatsoever." The ending of this episode made me laugh so hard. Carpenter x Bosman

[@foxstomp4016]

You have an uncanny ability to talk about things currently on my mind. I was just thinking about finally giving Kingdom Battle a shot after all these years and then comes this video.

[@pug987]

I knew kusarigama as a weapon from 90s anime but I knew the name from Nioh 2.

[@godribbon]

The follow up should have been Mario + Rabbids + Chaotix, aka the Sonic D-List

[@SakuraAvalon]

One of the key reasons for a sequel flopping(besides being bad), is that the first game drew in people who were new, but curious to what it was. Upon the sequel releasing, a chunk of those people don't return, cause they didn't enjoy their experience with the first.

[@FlutterSwag]

6:35 meanwhile kirby gets game after game and sells gangbusters XD

[@kdsmogg]

Rabbits + Mario Spark of Hope has an WONDERFUL soundtrack with tons of tracks by Yoko Shimomura (Kingdom Hearts)

[@vacuumblink2300]

Damn he did the "THIS IS" like his rent was due

[@TheSpeedfoever]

Glad you like igns article!

[@Weighty68]

This has to be one of the funniest and sharply witty episodes of the entire past season. Props to the Bosman

[@lukeisabat2239]

Your insight level is maxed out good sir 👍

[@123edb456]

If you want to survive in this business you have to like and subscribe

[@BOTCHED]

Great season finale Kyle.

[@skrambledagg]

i don't think there was actually anyone on the phone

[@TerranIV]

WHAAAA?!? 😫

[@SkullMan---]

Yeah you can't hear a ring but his phone could have been on mute

[@kubabooba548]

I'll miss you man!

[@decayed_firecaster]

#1:08 come on now XD we don't recognize him but he certainly is their! Lmao

[@Hashbrowniepie]

This was my favorite theme for a season so far.

[@skatestreetsGAME]

hey thanks for answerin' my call there bruuuuUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHH

[@iamkennstan]

Kyle needs to talk about that mafia gangster game he played during GT streaming days.

[@matthieurheaume]

You NAILED that pronunciation ^_^ Eve gymo

[@mister_brownie6416]

i swear to god i was watching jojo part 3 this week and was like wait are those tekken gloves?

[@ThunderRazorYT]

Oddly Everybody 1-2 Switch is a lot more fun for my friends and family than 1-2 Switch. It reminds me of those party games on the Wii. Honestly I hope that type of game sees a steady 5 years type release; games that use your physical surrounding, etc. We love the one where we need to take pictures of different colors around the house and see who can get closest to the requested color.

[@DrStinkerBeall]

The issue is people have learned that Ubisoft put their games on deep sales six months after the release. I bought the original game full priced, but knowing that Ubisoft put games on sales, I waited to buy the sequel.

[@Lol..No.]

Almost fainted when I heard November 1st.

[@RougeMephilesClone]

The post-credits scene is usually a journey, but this one was a globetrotting odyssey.

[@mikeconstanza]

Kyle, video game news is great and all, but I wanted you to know that I primarily watch your videos to find the "THIS IS..." references. I've been wondering if you had a canned recording or if you rerecorded it each time, and now I'm leaning towards the latter. The one in this episode was WAY more obvious than some previous ones. Anyway, love the content. Thanks.

[@tombcruisin]

the tekken glove thing is crazy

[@dabajabaza111]

great episode

[@ragintombo]

It's good to share

[@rinaldus4512]

I am also deeply affected and hurt on a personal level by Rebirth's sales. I go into work everyday pretending I'm fine that the best Final Fantasy since the PSX era seemingly wasn't able to break 3 million sales. But let me tell you something. I'm not fine. I am actually very sad.

[@antnuh765]

Most people who havent tried it yet are probably waiting for Square to release a version that combines all 3 parts of the trilogy in like, 2030. I'm sure it's great, but I don't want to spend 70$ on one third of a remake. Especially not until it's at least on PC.

[@TerranIV]

While the moment to moment gameplay was better in Rebirth, the story was far more boring and convoluted than the first one, and the ending was so disappointing and vague. I liked Remake better, despite the great moments throughout.

[@megamandrn001]

@@TerranIV It's really sad how people didn't really pick up on what the ending was trying to do and why it has to be vague on purpose.

[@mabonman]

delusions

[@crossingtheline2189]

​@antnuh765 that's what I said when part 1 released and I'm still waiting

[@JackSukeru]

Funny this comes up when I just started playing Sparks of Hope yesterday. Given how that game runs and how paired down some of the effects look, I think Switch 2 would have been a better place for it. It still might, though I guess backwards compability disincentivizes them making a upgraded version of it for the new platform. Some of the game's Ubisoftness aside I'm enjoying it quite a bit though. They got rid the rule requiring each team comp have Mario + 1 rabbid, which was my main complaint of the first one, so that was a big plus. Original game ran out of steam in the final world so not sure how this one will hold up in the long run, but hopeful. It's a neat franschise and it would be cool if whatever comes out of this new studio has a similar vibe.

[@AlexJames840]

He definitely said “Spark of Hope” on purpose

[@GuiFoxJus]

that sweeet, sweet marketing money 9:36

[@mrshmuga9]

Adding Rayman is cool, but it was too late. They should've had him in the main game and replaced Edge to be (initially) more exciting. As far as the weirdness... yeah, they honestly took a step BACK. The sequel became more of a Rabbids universe with some Mario characters than a crossover. The original had Mario(-like) areas and characters but with a Rabbids twist. There was basically none of that in the sequel, and the "new" Mario things were their plain models but maybe something basic like covered in goop. Nearly everything was almost entirely original and stripped of Mario-related things. Also, I don't think the mechanics were improved (in some case worsened), but I don't think that deterred most people. You would've had to pay more attention to notice those details.

[@Henshingod]

8:34 And 25% of them are Goku.

[@taerikee]

Aaron Paul answering his phone could definitely be a recruiting bit

[@Myoldusernamewasgood]

Tail Alert means it's going to be a good day.

[@shugazi1]

are you going to put that song in my head everytime I tune in?

[@ThugNasty2468]

Well thank you for sharing kyle 😂

[@AdlusAdams]

Haha the long legs are back...this is going to be a running gag then 😅

[@talon3323]

Add Octopath Traveler 2 to that list

[@Gameshaped]

I've already heard 2 Jason interviews but I'm most excited for yours next week!

[@TakisEnjoyer]

Direct sequels not selling as well makes all the sense, especially when they're close together. If the game sold 5 millions you should never expect the sequel to do just as well because from these 5 millions maybe only 2 actually liked it enough to buy the sequel.

[@paulyoder742]

Nice Eating Contest freeze frame lmao

[@MrJamess1982]

The number 1 reason is “No Yoshi” Everyone (except Ubisoft) knows Yoshi sells games, should have been in the game.

[@Totavier]

Kusarigama? * checking google * Oh, a sickle attached with a chain, got it. (Looks interesting to craft it as an emergengy weapon).

[@MikeZeroX]

*Edging to Edge*

[@goranisacson2502]

I haven't played either Mario + Rabbids game (but I have played both FF7 remakes and Octopath Traveler games so I get some of the woe here), so instead I will simply marvel a little at how many JoJo references there are. Like... just so many references.

[@jaretco6423]

You should give Mario + Rabbids an try. There pretty good.

[@experienceevents6951]

I actually do think it’s crazy to see Rayman anywhere because he’s so tragically neglected. But yes the masses don’t care 😢

[@ilbroducciore]

The 1 2 Switch clips lol

[@Aussie27Legend]

People underestimate Novelty, sometimes one and done creatively is best and that's not particularly compatible with capitalism.

[@huyphan7825]

IGN’s latest article came out: “Games might actually exist holy shit guys can you believe it?!”

[@kruai453]

Whoa, nice shirt Kyle! Can I get it at Target? (Definitely sounds sarcastic but I promise I'm being genuine)

[@svee7597]

Trust me, if you want to survive in this business, you are going to have to pick up on Jo-jo references in Tekken 3.

[@labrynianrebel]

Quest for Glory II Diddy's Kong Quest Riven

[@nashwanahmed425]

Love the ending 😂 Yaooo

[@pedro4464]

Reason number 5: everybody in the car, so come on let's ride.

[@AuriMeansWind]

I enjoyed learning about the Jojo reference lol

[@bannequins]

Mario rabbids was dumb fun I loved that series

[@robinett74]

I played Mario + Rabbids 2. It's great. But I also agree that it would have been better to let it rest. Imagine the hype that would be there if it was launch (window) release for Switch 2 instead. Now it died on a console where people are already well fed and perhaps are looking for more variety in their diet instead of something that looks like more of the same, but with sprinkles on top.

[@mwmrhdm]

What I got from this episode is Kyle must not have played Ninja Gaiden 2. That's where I first learned what a Kusarigama was.

[@JoeSkeen]

Sparks of Hope is so damn good

[@mickael486]

Kyle is the most random dude on YT.

[@CuriousCorduroy]

I’m never going to survive in this business.

[@anonymouskaiju9101]

I can't wait for nintendo to announce the switch 2 while kyle is on break

[@joshjohnson4092]

I thought the scoop machine was daemon Hatfield

[@schtive81]

Honestly, I think Oohbee Soft missed the opportunity to work with Nintendo to make a Super Mario Bros: The Movie: The Game based on the illumination movie... and make it multiplatform. I think it could have be wild if they announced such a game at a Sony event. I know that sounds crazy. But I think it would be an interesting avenue for the Mario franchise to go down. I know Nintendo would never make a movie licensed game themselves because they are trying to avoid making the film look like a glorified advertisement for the franchise.

[@jcgonzalez84]

I am the target market for Sparks of Hope. I did not buy it because they discounted Kingdom Battle to $15. I bought that game at full price. With Sparks of Hope I decided to wait for the discount with all the DLc.

[@pse2020]

Bossman!!!!

[@MrKryton24]

XCOM 2 was way better than XCOM 1 that was an epic sequel

[@zeriel9148]

This goes both ways. Sometimes bad games get good sales and the company thinks, "Nothing is wrong!" because the title is selling based on how the previous titles were. The reaction is always delayed. Just look at Star Wars or Marvel for an example of that. It took a while for the bad quality of products to cause a downturn, but once it does come into effect, it will take even longer for that effect to be reversed by better product quality, if in fact better products come out. So companies shouldn't take this as something they can abuse, they are going to suffer twice as long on the downturn.

[@metalgearbill8827]

“In this episode of video game news commentary, I’m going to tell you why a two year old game didn’t sell well. Trust me, if you wanna survive in this business you have to be able to make old new new news”