Sonic CD JP - Naofumi and Masafumi style differences

In this video I show my point of view as a fan of Sonic CD JP soundtrack about some of the most important differences between Naofumi Hataya and Masafumi Ogata composition/arrangement style.

[@Svyatthehuman]

"fast lead sequence" is actually improvisation, it happens a lot in jazz music which seems to be general influence for Hataya Naofumi.

[@LongSinceDead1]

Yeah, those are solos. They’re often (though not always) improvised.

[@axtonganha]

I believe so too, the diffrence track from Ogata san he is very like the one techno his own track, and i think Hataya san track very like his orchestra funk jazzy brass or pad piano same as instrument repeat and repeat are mostly like to Hataya san

[@tsg_frank5829]

@@axtonganha That's pretty much what i was thinking, you can tell a lot about his influences

[@-_._._._._._._._-]

Naofumi loves his orchestra hits lmao

[@CollisionChaos]

True haha

[@ZoobiethePopplio]

So do I

[@leonannaves9273]

@@ZoobiethePopplio me too

[@malworld.5535]

Orchestra hits for life!

[@marcosvilarino4390]

Me too

[@kevinm.5951]

Assuming everyone here watching has listened to Sonic the Hedgehog Remix. If you haven't for some reason DO IT. Its like a studio recorded album filled with sonic cd remixes. Great video. Sonic cd wouldn't be as iconic as it is without Naofumi or Masafumi

[@megablueman]

I love this small weird cult following Sonic CD has. I'm glad I'm not the only one, I've been obsessed since I was in 5th grade.

[@spinningsquare1325]

Knew there was a reason why I like CD and no other classic sonics

[@prodsenku]

ive always been closely connected to sonic cd since i was little like 5 years old

[@Mr.Goldbar]

@@spinningsquare1325 same case here. I'm not really a retro gamer but I love Sonic CD!

[@bigoof9654]

Hayata-San: *Orchestra hits EVERYWHERE*

[@ThisGreenDingo]

With the repeats and variants, that's a classic case of call and response! Interesting that the call is the same each time and the response always differs

[@CollisionChaos]

Oh, thank you so much!! I did not knew this technique had a name, I will try to learn it!

[@tsg_frank5829]

Naofumi's tracks are some of my favorite in the soundtrack because of how much energy they have and the lush sounds he decided to use. Masafumi utilization of synths is also really freaking cool, when stacked against Naofumi's instrument choices, it brings together the technology vs nature themes of Sonic CD

[@honeythelowpoly]

No matter the artist, this ost is absolute banger

[@DubiousDepthsRadio]

Wdym the art in this game is phenomenal

[@Mr.Goldbar]

@@DubiousDepthsRadio He meant the musical artist. Naofumi and Masafumi are also artists

[@squid_cake]

This is EXACTLY the content I want to see. Sonic CD's soundtrack is my favorite video game soundtrack of all time, and learning the methods and inspirations of the original composers is extremely helpful when it comes to trying to make music that sounds as good as theirs.

[@CollisionChaos]

Thank you!

[@axtonganha]

I never been seen Masafumi Ogata's face and i dont know why he longer not working techno music in SEGA again, god Yuzo Koshiro will proud with Hataya San and Ogata San

[@Pochito22.23]

Oh yeah, now i understand why i specifically love the songs from Quartz Quadrant, Stardust Speedway and Metallic Madness, the orchestra hits, something I also appreciate from Naofumi, however I also like Masafumi's melodies like Collision Chaos, and Wacky Workbench, great video

[@loweni7460]

Same I hits make them standout also my favourite feature of Quartz quadrant is the keyboard melodies in the present and bad future

[@leonannaves9273]

Also, Naofumi also uses more Samples Packs than Ogata

[@DubiousDepthsRadio]

Ikr

[@sanicmaniac]

I noticed that Masafumi Ogata tends to use short repeating melodies throughout the song (such as the repeating B-G-E in Tidal Tempest Present or the up-and-down beep sequence in all versions of Wacky Workbench)

[@ChilliusVGM]

I definitely love both composers works equally, my favourite Hataya track being Stardust Speedway (specifically GF) and my favourite Ogata track being Collision Chaos (specifically Past).

[@shadic1988]

I enjoy both equally.

[@spookposting375]

Naofumi might have my favorite set of JP tracks ! All the Quartz Quadrant themes, Stardust Speedway Past, Metallic Madness Past and Bad Future, the boss and final boss themes, the ending.. Not discrediting Masafumi though, I like all the Collision Chaos and Tidal Tempest themes !

[@Reinhardt_Kozlowski]

I think Masafumi is the better composer - Collision Chaos present and Wacky Workbench past are absolute legends. One thing that would've been super cool would be if they mixed up who did the good/bad future tracks. For example, each composer does 3 present/past tracks, and the other composer does the good future/bad future of the other composer's three tracks, just to make things a bit more interesting. Anyways, good stuff!

[@lowercase7455]

Masafumi makes em sound more realistic, and Naofumi makes em more techno

[@PKSuperStar256]

You mixed them up.

[@ish_ish288]

I didn't realise there were differences

[@Prinsdam]

The Venn diagram of Hataya's tracks and my favorites is pretty much a circle. The man, the myth, the legend I think you nailed it. Outstanding analysis! Although, you've got an example from Kiss Shot of all things, but nothing from Hybrid Front? I'm going to have to re-listen to that for his signature later.

[@CollisionChaos]

Wow, I really forgot the Hybrid Front! I should have tried to include it, this is such a good soundtrack.

[@axtonganha]

@@CollisionChaos I think you forgot one Naofumi Hataya tracks Quiz Scramble Special VGM title theme its very 90s too

[@shalpp]

I don't know a fucking thing about music theory, but I think the "repeats, varies" portion is an example of call and response

[@_puduposting]

even the music has this earth classic vs future mechanized style like classic sonic games with both composers having a diferent syle. Also Hataya Naofumi uses more sound samples than Masafumi

[@knucklesgaming1741]

THIS IS MY TYPE OF CHANNEL

[@Kite-Tsune]

15:15-15:25 my favorite part

[@mobileaccount2306]

I'm surprised I never heard these differences, cool video!

[@HyperSonic777]

Both Naofumi Hataya and Masafumi Ogata have made some of my favorite tracks in the game, but I think Ogata wins this easily. More of his tracks are my personal favorites, like Collision Chaos Present and Futures, Tidal Tempest Past/Bad Future, Wacky Workbench Present/Bad Future, and some of his non-level themes like the Time Attack, D.A. Garden, 510 Title Screen theme. There's really only 4 of his tracks I particularly consider weak (Tidal Tempest Present/Good Future, Wacky Workbench Good Future, and the Special Stage theme). Hataya doesn't have as much personal favorites from me as Ogata, the few of which being Quartz Quadrant Good Future, Stardust Speedway Past/Good Future, and every Metallic Madness theme that's not the Good Future as well as the Final Boss Theme. He also sports many of my least favorite tracks from the game like Palmtree Panic Past and Futures, the vocal themes, the Normal Boss Theme, and Metallic Madness Good Future for example. Whenever I do prefer the US OST, it's typically in areas where Hataya made the music whereas the JPN OST typically wins in areas that Ogata made the music. Again, Hataya isn't a bad composer (far from it), but his tracks are weaker compared to Ogata, and that's because I find Ogata's tracks to be more catchier, and the instrument usage works well with the music, and the areas that the music plays in.

[@Cp-71]

I wonder hoe this soundtrack would sound if they swapped places!

[@aomregcik]

This is a very cool different kind of video, All of your videos I enjoy!

[@axtonganha]

True Fact: Naofumi Hataya also married with Tomoko Sasaki

[@CollisionChaos]

What, really? o.O when it happened?

[@axtonganha]

​@@CollisionChaos You can hear interview Space Channel 5 Naofumi Hataya kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5ixm4miiKt8fbM he say Sasaki Tomoko also his wife singer of "Morolians Song" btw i found it in Sonic Fandom wiki Naofumi Hataya, which i added wiki my self :)

[@BreadCroissant]

​@@axtonganha Wow didn't really know that btw thanks for information!!

[@loweni7460]

Great video btw you don't need to have graduated with any musical related degree to be able to make, critique or analyse music you can give well informed opinions and facts without one

[@thesoniccdproject]

Something i noticed about naofumi's songs is that he tends to put an eastern-style rhythm in the bad future themes, example, palmtree panic, metallic madness and stardust speedway Btw, what will be your next remastered track?

[@CollisionChaos]

I have been busy working on a project called Sonic 2 Complete, not sure when I will back posting remixes and restorations, sorry :(

[@Camera-Obscura]

@@CollisionChaos That’s pretty cool, congratulations.

[@shalpp]

@@CollisionChaos is there anything regarding that project you're able to post about? I'm sure any progress reports would be worth watching

[@CollisionChaos]

@@shalpp Oh i'm sorry, but I'm keeping in secret all the stuff being done for that. I think it will cause more impact if i only release when everything is totally finished, understand? What I can tell is: It will be the Sonic 2 with the original idea restored. So it will have the island maps, where you will be able to play the levels, it will have the time travel too, not exactly a mecanic like happens in Sonic CD, but we're trying to implement it as we believe it was supposed to be. Like, you will have the island in past, present and future, so we will try to recreate those ideas. For example, you will have sand shower, and in the past it will became a ice level, where the sand will became snow. We will also add some of the scrapped badniks, such as the one that comes out from sand. Here is a list of the levels we will do: Ocean Wind Tropical Plant Sand Shower (the desert that appears in old magazines) Rock World (ice variation of the desert Hidden Palace Death Egg from the concept art Is a very challenging project, because the new level art such as tropical plant and death egg must not simply look good, it also must be compatible with the game art direction, fits in the game. So i'm all the time restarting things because a lot of times i feel like is not correct. But I'm confident in the end it will looks very good, yet i'm sure it will delay a lot of time to be completed, probably more than one year. I also managed to make a very nice recreation of the Sand Shower, i think it looked much more accurate than other recreations. We are also finishing the wood zone art. In an old interview the artist said the art was very incomplete, so we're trying to imagine it finished. To be honest, the main reason i'm doing this project is because I want to play a game like that, and i never see. I mean, there are some really amazing sonic 2 recreations such as Sonic 2 Delta and Sonic 2 Long Version. But honestly? I always felt the levels could be way more accurate, specially Sand Shower. And people tend to never try to finish the wood art, which is a shame because i really love this art, and it has such a great potential. I'm very anxious to have this project finished. We also crossed the Sonic 2 Beta internal level order with the conceptual maps, to try to guess which song was supposed to be on each level. So the Rock World will use Sky Chase theme (I was very susprised for having delayed so much to notice that christmas cliche on this song lol) and Tropical Plant will use Emerald Hill 2P. But once I release it i will let you know, thank you so much for your interest!

[@henarlol2947]

I love your content, you deserve a lot more subscribers than this!

[@multicoloredwiz]

Your dedication is very evident and admirable.. God bless!

[@CollisionChaos]

Thank you!

[@sesukun2064]

So if I'm trying to make a fan made Dubious Depths past version, then I'm studying Masafumi Ogatas music. Got it!

[@damiancho7977]

From 15 to 653 your channel is really growing

[@elone7744]

-Favorite By Hataya Present: Quartz Quadrant Past: Stardust Speedway Bad Future: Palmtree Panic Good Future: Stardust Speedway -Favorite by Ogata Present: Collision Chaos Past: Wacky Workbench Good Future: Wacky Workbench Bad Future: Tidal Tempest -Favorite by Nilsen Present: Wacky Workbench Bad Future: Wacky Workbench Good Future: Stardust Speedway -Favorite by Mark Crew Present: Metallic Madness Bad Future: Metallic Madness Good Future: Collision Chaos Sonic CD has the best soundtrack ever!

[@CollisionChaos]

Good list! I feel lucky we have two great sonic cd soundtracks :D

[@manuelmakesartz]

Hey, I know that this comment is a bit old, but Spencer Nilsen didn't compose Metallic Madness. It was Mark Crew (a.k.a. Sterling) and Bobby Vega. These two also composed Collision Chaos and the Boss theme (hence why they sound the way they do). And we can't forget David Young, who composed a big part of the US soundtrack with Spencer Nilsen and Pastiche, the trio which provided the vocals for many US tracks.

[@elone7744]

@@manuelmakesartz Hey! I know them for Collision Chaos but i didn't know that they also composed Metallic Madness, thank you! Now i understand why these two tracks are the only Present theme with no female voices.

[@manuelmakesartz]

@@elone7744 That's also why these tracks sounded more abstract and different than the rest of the Present themes. It's interesting how there was a whole music team for the US soundtrack (a soundtrack that had less than a 3 month deadline). If you haven't already, I recommend you take a listen to Sonic the Hedgehog Boom (Album). No, it's not the 2010's series, it's an album with the US soundtrack and the first ever Sonic album. The tracks in it are more complete and are all awesome! Wait, here's the link for the playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PL5ECAA6CAFECF729F

[@HyperSonic777]

For me: Favorite Ogata: Past: Tidal Tempest Present: Wacky Workbench Bad Future: Wacky Workbench Good Future: Collision Chaos Non-Level Theme: Time Attack Favorite Hataya: Past: Stardust Speedway Present: Metallic Madness Bad Future: Metallic Madness Good Future: Stardust Speedway Non-Level Theme: Final Boss Favorite Nilsen: Present: Palmtree Panic Bad Future: Palmtree Panic Good Future: Wacky Workbench (Palmtree Panic is 3rd) Non-Level Theme: Special Stage Favorite Mark Crew: Present: Collision Chaos Bad Future: Metallic Madness Good Future: Metallic Madness Non-Level Theme: Final Boss

[@wiggloid]

figured i should ask here - does anyone know what the instrument at the very beginning of collision chaos present is? i feel like it's either a brass stab or an orchestra hit that's been given a high-pass filter but i'm not exactly sure

[@sergidrivemusic4334]

I notice that Naofumi gets a lot of inspiration from Masayoshi Takanaka.

[@Nic_2751]

You should upload the entire Sonic CD ost with the uncompressed restored samples of the unused loops and extended

[@RealAGuy]

You got 1000 subs congrats man!

[@CollisionChaos]

Thank you!! :DD

[@cody_211]

Masafumi: careful composition and proper instruments makes good music Naofumi: haha orchestra hit go brrrrr

[@elone7744]

Wow that's an amazing video as a big fan of Sonic CD OST! Now i understand why Collision Chaos and Wacky Workbench are my favorites zones in terms of music! My 2 most favorite Present are Collision Chaos and Wacky Workbench same for good future and for bad future Tidal tempest and Wacky Workbench. I think i prefer a bit the Masafumi Ogata style but mad respect to Hataya for all Quartz Quadrant and Stardust Speedway! I just don't like the Orchestra Hits in his style which is why Metallic Madness is my least favorite Present theme cuz the main melody is with this sound. I'm actually sad now because R2 was probably a level composed by Ogata and it was scrapped, DA Garden is an amazing song and i wonder how the other times sounds. I like the fact that each of the composer will have to do 4 zone at the time.

[@CollisionChaos]

Thank you for your comment and yeah! I'm hoping one day we will have the full songs for R2 including the past, present, good and bad versions, if they exists!

[@mrwonka407]

@@CollisionChaos I hope we find a version with the level itself. I mean, if we have a song for it, there's a level.

[@axtonganha]

1:05 didn't think that first time i hear bass in Palmtree Panic those instrument really absolute beautiful

[@Crosstariale]

I need All Stardust Speedway zones without their hues, It would be so hawt

[@someonecalledrichardthehuman]

That would be a crime to humanity... HOW WOULD SOMEONE DO SPMETHING LIKE THAT!!??

[@sernimator6268]

I like this cosmic and beauty soundtracks in Sonic CD

[@Camera-Obscura]

Not because of your channels name, but collision chaos has to be one of my favorite soundtracks, although quadrant quartz could take its place for me.

[@retrogamer7543]

5:46 another example would be the ycda instrumental the beginning has a beep sine sound to it

[@YgorG]

I like It!

[@beesree39]

oh so that explains why i have the preferences that i do

[@Nic_2751]

I hope you come back

[@DetroitInvadesUSA]

5:08 Smells like R2 Present.

[@meiresilva4199]

Present*

[@gonzagreen1221]

You forgot that Naofumi participate on Space Channel 5's music

[@gonzagreen1221]

and Sega Rally Championship from Sega Saturn

[@axtonganha]

Also Golden Axe and Hybrid Front

[@YoshiDash]

Bro you got a twitter I can follow for this stuff?

[@CollisionChaos]

i have a twitter, but i don't use it at all, sorry :(

[@Mr.Goldbar]

What did Naofumi use for the brass (like in PP Present) or the orchestra hits (like in PP Bad Future)?

[@CollisionChaos]

Brass is unknown. Orchestra hit in PP bad future is Korg 01/w

[@Mr.Goldbar]

@@CollisionChaos do you know by any chance if there's a good Korg 01/w VST? I saw there is one from Retrobeats that comes in 3 volumes, do you have any knowledge about it?

[@trappercap]

Hataya makes heavy use of borrowed chords in his breakout solos. Raw gospel-funk. Ogata has better mixing and more thoughtful instrument selection at the cost of some dynamism. His experience in composing electronic music is a lot more obvious by comparison.

[@damiancho7977]

Why did you stop uploading

[@CollisionChaos]

I have been busy working in a Sonic 2 restoration project

[@damiancho7977]

@@CollisionChaos ooh

[@sparkmarky9701]

no ideas for video

[@CollisionChaos]

?

[@kingcoveryepic]

@@CollisionChaos they needs ideas. Help em out 🎺👍

[@user-qv8mz9sr5t]

Hataya is the maker for the Past tracks, they are signatures of his instrumentation. This is wrong.

[@CollisionChaos]

I never said Hataya did not worked in Past tracks. He done Palmtree Panic Past, Quartz Quadrant Past, Stardust Speedway Past and Metallic Madness Past.