Sonic Dream Team has me conflicted...

[@starlect]

I adore the fact that we got more screen time for characters like rouge and cream but I feel like there was potential that was wasted

[@SamLikes2Mash]

Sega releasing a no frills 3D sonic game with open ended multi-layered level design and multiple playable characters with meaningful different paths they can take only for it to be a weird streamlined apple arcade exclusive is so unbelievably on-brand for Sega and the Sonic franchise it straddles the line between hilarious and depressing

[@NO.10162]

4:45 I'll be honest, i never understood that criticisms. Like, why are you stopping to switch characters? I thought the idea was to keep on the move and use your 3 characters effectively for each situation. I mean, heck, for the enemy fodder, that's literally what the power character is for.

[@NICKtendoReviews]

Very good video! Haven’t gotten to play the game yet but I have yet to see someone else bring up your criticisms

[@PipeGuy64Bit]

"Hard to love or hate" Sounds like me with Paper Mario: The Origami King. Simplicity aside, it's still messed up Sonic Dream Team ended up being Apple Arcade exclusive while all the other platforms during Holiday 2023 were stuck with Sonic Superstars which I found to be frustratingly mediocre. Also oh god that new Cream voice lol. Well at least she's in a new game which I'm really happy for as well.

[@Zestytrashcan82]

The speed that I stopped caring about it after I found out it was Apple exclusive

[@ThatGuy-kj4hz]

"Money-desperate Vtuber trying to be cute as possible for her debut stream" is certainly one way to describe Cream's voice direction here. But yeah, when this game was announced, I just immediately lost interest. I don't really have a way to play it, and even if I did, I'm also not big on mobile games, albeit more for the way they usuall monetize themselves rather than DRM matters. Although it seems like it manages to avoid the mictotransaction nonsense, still doesn't seem worth the time. It does look like it has some cool ideas, though. Hope you have a safe trip to Japan!

[@ninjabunny9526]

I like when sonic games have what you called "padding". The reason sonic feels so fast in Adventure and Unleashed imo is in part because Big and Gamma and Amy and the Werehog are so slow. They help give you something to compare sonic to and in doing so make his gameplay feel even faster.

[@Jorno_arts]

13:45 nah its just the generations models with new rigs it's been shown that they pushed the expressions to the limit with them cause you can see how the eyebrow are made wider when half closed so they dont clip with the eyeball

[@yuchun_]

"Man Dawn should really play Spark the Electric Jester, I bet he'd love that shit" *Spark 3 music in the outro* :0

[@paperdawn]

That game is so good!

[@beapispeapis]

Love your vids!

[@trinitroid7893]

This isn't the first time where a high profiled franchise got stuck with this Apple subscription. Remember Shovel Knight Dig? No? Well, I don't blame you cuz it's also exclusive to Apple Arcades initially. The biggest salt in the wound is that it is also a really good game that not a lot of people can play when it first came out, and people just forget that this game exists. However, there is a small chance for Dream Team to get ported, since games like Exit the Gungeon (and including Shovel Knight Dig itself) also got ported to different platforms afterward.

[@JenukiDa]

14:32 "video game enjoyer" dawn you wanted to avoid saying "gamer" so badly 😭

[@natoriousthehopeful2786]

Setting aside our differing opinions about Frontiers, I agree with you about Dream Team being held back by its exclusivity; and the fact it could be taken away any time is hard to stomach, which holds me back from buying a subscription to Apple Arcade

[@SaddieMoon]

I love this game. One of the best Sonic games.

[@Neetish13]

Can't believe I just got radicalsoda'd

[@Cazra-VaporwaveWitch]

Have fun in Japan!

[@Hyp3rSonic]

Definitely agree with the controls. Sa1 and Frontiers has the best controls. Then its Sa2, then every other 3D sonic game has worst controls imo

[@RaiginAnimator]

The boost was a linear based in platformer I feel like a lot of people don’t really get that Your supposed to doge obstacles and while you can 100% platform in all of them they do it slightly differently in each one Unleashed had more 3d platforming but was mainly based on reaction levels and Gens and coulours had most of the platforming in 2D

[@TheStarBot]

This is a interesting video because I completely have an opposite opinion and view point on mobile games as a designer and developer (and especially on your views “disposability”) so this actually wanna made me want to try it despite not really liking Sonic Thanks 👍🏿

[@midnightreaper5426]

A muddy v-tubber? Cream sounded like a old lady...

[@ciosear3692]

great review i rly like your channel ^^

[@naitsabes6222]

It upsets that we’ll probably won’t see another sonic game that attempt this type of game again

[@P0tatoz9]

Could I ask what about sonic frontiers movement you found bad? I personally think it’s the best sonic has ever controlled, especially with the spin dash unlocked, The amount of fun with just running around is unreal. Though frontiers is my favorite sonic game so I may just be biased.

[@paperdawn]

It was a little dull for my liking. Moving around didn't have a good momentum to it. Turning was so touchy it made it feel a little tough to feel like I had solid control. I think the actual world design didn't do the movement any favors either. It didn't feel like there was deliberate attention made to how the environment was designed. Making it tough to appreciate the movement engine. My comment about it was def a little off-hand and cheeky, I wouldn't say anything definitive about the quality of it unless I played more of it. But it really wasn't jiving with me right off the bat.

[@megasoniczxx]

@@paperdawn I think a lot of the problems with the world design stem from them not just hard committing to one physics set instead of letting you change all the settings. A lot of the platforming challenges have to automate you through large parts of the process since the designers couldn't account for what potential settings you were using (part of the reason why so many people were split on Update 3 imo) so it could never be as indepth as it could've been otherwise.

[@TarregorsSrb2Channel]

based on what you said, I was gonna say you should try out SRB2, but then I heard the nimbus ruins music, so I guess you're good on that

[@duefordoomsday]

I can only hope that this game is like some sign that the next game is more like this than the boost gameplay we've been getting

[@CallMeVidd]

To me this game felt like a Sonic version of Mario 3D World It's functionally sound, it looks good, it's fun to play, the different characters are cool and the level design is good... But it isn't that memorable. I last played it a month ago and already forgot almost ever level and roughly remember the level themes

[@unlikelyvee]

I was so happy to play a whole sonic game as the girls for once, but yeah phone bad :(

[@BugsyFoga]

I genuinely don’t anyone who owns Apple Arcade, could yall come out in the open?

[@Hyp3rSonic]

Yeah, im extremely addicted to mobile games(will always be F2P ofc) but my favorite ones are sonic 4 episode 2, princess connect re dive, crush crush, sonic dash 1 and 2, sonic runners, Defender 3, Leps World 1, 2 and 3, Sonic CD, Sonic 1 and Sonic 2, and so much more!

[@Tacom4ster]

Sega should just copy the IDW Comics, with playable Tangle and Whisper

[@BerkStorm1]

I know you love Cream the rabbit despite calling her stupid 😈

[@paperdawn]

I love cream the rabbit AS WELL as calling her stupid, you mean ;)

[@BerkStorm1]

@@paperdawn Lol she is my favorite for several years. No character has surpassed her. Glad to see a Cream fan like you 🧡

[@Jonqen]

Looks kinda good. Nothing special but relaxing

[@tawumpas]

Team assembled!!!!!!

[@Oliviathespud]

Algorithm boost

[@ORLY911]

give it time itll probably come to other platforms, its probably a timed exclusive. It'll probably get reworked to have more to it as well. Thats what happened to Shantae and the Seven Sirens, Apple Arcade made it pretty brainless then an update added a mode that redoes the game and makes it a more traditional shantae/metroidvania game.

[@paperdawn]

thats a few too many probably's for my liking.

[@Tacom4ster]

Review the epic IDW comics, Cream is amazing on it

[@RandomBoo256]

Perfect review of this game, coming from someone who also barely got the chance to play it (bc my dad let me borrow his ipad). Dream Team, in theory, is the perfect Sonic game. However the Apple Arcade of it all ended up dragging it down into bland mediocrity. Also btw as someone who suffered through the full 20+ hour experience, I wish I could've refunded Sonic Frontiers by the end. That game sucked so much. The controls were fine but the whole game felt like hours upon hours of tedious mindless filler. Felt like a Sonic game if it were made by an AI.

[@kentonroush]

Wow I had no idea this game even existed... Also, gotta say- While I completely understand not liking Frontier (God it is... So, SO janky) and I wouldn't actually recommend it for this reason... It actually has, at the very end, something of a glimpse of what a true, modern take on Adventure style level design could look like. The final free DLC added a new chapter, with a big pile of fully optional, super hard levels. And those levels are designed just, utterly, fundamentally differently from the rest of the game. They gave sonic back the utterly busted, sequence-shattering SA1 spindash for them for crying out loud. It's not much, but... I was blown out of the water how good it is after how the rest of the game played. (Still janky. And their status as super endgame bonus challenges comes with its own problems. But still.) Won't recommend playing it, but check out some videos of those levels at least, it's crazy how different they are.

[@Hyp3rSonic]

The werehog was the worst padding gimmick they ever made. Its one of the main reasons why Sonic Unleashed HD was that not great

[@Kneevirus]

Rogue and cream's voices in this game are god awful what happened

[@ouiner4015]

I can’t tell if I’m fine with creams voice or not, I like the idea of her having a much more rascal-y voice, with some growl and confidence in it, but the speaking is god awful, her noises in-level is fine but as soon as she speaks it’s gross I prefer her voice in sonic free riders specifically, she has a not ‘deeper’ voice but she sounds a lot more like she’s tails age, rather than a little itty bitty baby, on top of that she works at the mature equalizer one on team rose, where Amy and vector are more money or love driven Weirdly enough Michelle ruff does both voices, she’s an amazing VA for cream in sonic free riders and generations but she just sounds weird here, like they’re pushing her to try too hard

[@kyramonnix1520]

Don't to take your estradiol uwwu

[@Bellitchi]

I thought sonic frontiers was really great. And a lot of people seem to agree. Sonics been bouncing back and *it feels so forced for people to say that “frontiers and superstars is uninspired and low hanging fruit” like I’m seeing people who are forcing this idea that sonic is falling off even though it isn’t*. So I’m not sure what you thought was so bad about it but maybe I’ll never know. Edit: * I’m not happy with what I said here. I could’ve worded this better

[@paperdawn]

Don't appreciate you calling my complaints with this series I like "forced". I didn't like how Frontiers controlled and the combat left a really poor first impression. I returned it because I wanted to save the money on a game I had a feeling I wouldn't enjoy. Superstars took so many steps backwards compared to Mania, a game that really surprised me. As someone who valued the design prowess of Sonic 3 and Knuckles, Mania was such an amazing return to form. Superstars didn't meet any of its standards. I don't doubt that there are things to enjoy with those games, but I'm not just grasping at low-hanging fruit. This series means a lot to me.

[@blackdot105]

Don't try to devalue people's opinion, just because they didn't like something you did.

[@Bellitchi]

⁠​⁠@@paperdawn I got no rebuttal here. I didn’t intend to invalidate or devalue what you felt, but I regret it anyways. I should’ve worded it better. I’m genuinely sorry for what I said. I felt like people are too disproportionately harsh towards anything sonic related that comes out, and that people are hyper focused on finding flaws because of how bad previous entries were, like they’re used to nothing but bad news. But I didn’t open with that. Instead I said something crummy :/ having so much sonic hate-posting thrusted onto me is no reason to invalidate people

[@paperdawn]

​@Bellitchi no problem! I understand totally understand why you'd be wary about contentious Sonic opinions online. People really love to hate this dude. I never appreciated people who just wrote off sonic as bad, because I thonk there's a lot to appreciate about basically any of his games. It is genuinely a shame none of them have left a good impression on me as of late. I try not to mean those kind of things in spite, but genuine disappointment. Even if I make some cheeky comments regarding them sometimes. Eitherway I appreciate you owning up to your comment :)

[@supershituttp7425]

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[@ManBeforeTime]

Speed since sono pour some

[@genyakozlov1316]

Eh. I think it's pretty visually awful honestly, so I don't care how well it plays. I agree with all the problems you have with Heroes, but I still like that game, yet outside the music and the plot I HATE Adventure 2. Sonic stages play awfully compared to 1 or even Heroes. Heroes has bad level design, Adventure 2 has bad gameplay. Forces is better than either of them honestly.

[@paperdawn]

Interesting! I definitely don't agree that it looks awful. I can see there was some artistry that went into the themeing of the zones, I just don't think it hits the highs of the 2D game's themeing. I still stand by the opinion that Sonic, visually, works best with bright contrasting colors, which this game has in spades. But I know it's not everyone's taste. In my years of going back to SA2, I've become more and more impressed with the nuances of the mechanics in that game. Maybe I'm just getting more used to it.

[@SilverXTikal]

Ngl…. Was expecting a girl to review the game for once. I feel like I’ve been tricked like those guys on Jerry Springer DX