Sony a6700 5 Things That Suck

[@sacramentofoodforest]

As someone who has been posting and filming videos for a few years but only used my phone , I can’t express how much appreciate videos like this. You really say stuff that most videos don’t. You describe the details in a way that makes it easy to understand. Thank you 🙏🏻

[@PhillipRPeck]

Thank you!

[@pcofranc]

Watched lots of a6700 videos but you really illuminated important areas of weakness and potential deal breakers for example - the EVF being so small that you need to move around to see all corners of the screen, I didn't realize that. Also, from reading the comments you are attracting and intelligent audience that can appreciate your thoughts and perspective.

[@PhillipRPeck]

Thank you. I'm glad you found it helpful

[@m4rcin847]

Same thing with Fuji X-S series. Resolution was perfectly fine but why its so small? For me it IS a dealbreaker, thanks for pointing it out.

[@paulmitchellphoto]

Good video man. The card slot on the a6000 is a total pita. The card slot, the flip out screen, stabilization for video and autofocus system were the reasons I upgraded to the a6700. I'll be using my a6700 for video/vlogging and stills, and still cary my a6000 for stills until I can afford another a6700. Mostly nature, bird and some product photography is what I like to do.

[@twbrkfd1733]

Good thoughts! Have the had a6400 since 2021, and upgraded to a6700 in July. Installed latest v1.03 firmware; still overheats but only on 4K video. It shuts down after 10 minutes at 4K. Runs forever at 1080p. However, Smallrig makes a Peltier/fan unit that solves the cooling problem. It's not just a fan, but an actual active cooling device. Note the FX30 has a built in fan. Since I am not creating 4K video this is a non-issue. The a6400 has SD card in battery compartment. Make NO diff where the card slot is. The only solution to rolling shutter is a global shutter; Sony a9 at $6,000., or sloww down... Size of camera is not an issue with my small hands; pinky tend to hang in the air though. Less than 10 controls; learn where they are! The LCD is NOT fully articulated like it is on the a7RV. Has no tilt when not flipped out. a6400 has tilt but does not flip out. Sony should of used the a7RV LCD which tilts ON THE BODY at the back of camera AND flips out. Additionally, there is a bug in the directory naming. If focus bracketing is selected, one can put a group of frames in its own auto-named dir, but then the firmware gets stuck and ALL subsequent non-bracket pics go into that same dir. real PITA. Lastly, the Bluetooth fails. With v1.03 firmware, my Aodelan RMT-P1BA will not pair. Works fine with my a6400. Worth noting is the e-mount flange is too small on the a6xxx by about 2mm and subsequently the gasket of Sony FE e-mount lenses does NOT engage the flange...i.e., water resistance is compromised. Cannot wait for the a6900 which will have these issues fixed...

[@PhillipRPeck]

Wow, comprehensive. You should make a video! What 4K quality settings have you tried. I did some different tests for another video and found that shooting 4K 8-Bit, 50mbps I didn't have overheating and the camera recorded until the battery died. Rolling shutter can be improved with a faster reading sensor, not just a global shutter. Maybe one day Sony will have the fully articulating screen standard on all cameras, but as of now it seems to be reserved for more expensive models.

[@Jthe5th]

Thanks for not understating the importance of rolling shutter as pretty much everyone else is doing.

[@PhillipRPeck]

No problem. It’s my thing

[@HomesickMac]

Haha, great intro sentence, keep 'em coming! Good points and I agree to 100% with all five and those additional ones. I've got my A6700 now and it gave me some 30-45 mins over HDMI and with Auto Framing enabled. I couldn't use 4K but 1080 with HDMI so I'll still have to explore the settings if I missed something. I can use 4K 25p HDMI out on my A6400 without problems. But I've also ordered the Ulanzi fan that's to be mounted in the back of the camera and prevent overheating, at least it should give us those additional minutes to make it worthwhile the money spent. I have 30 days to return it if it won't work. In the meantime I've explored the photo side of this camera and it's impressive with that AI Autofocus and the ease of use of all menus, settings….

[@FocusRocus]

8:04 I to wear glasses but much prefer to put them on a cord to rest by my neck thus adjusting the diopter so I can put my eye to the viewfinder and see all of the frame, no? Thanks for your great video.

[@PhillipRPeck]

Yeah, that definitely works but I never liked having a cord on my glasses. It just annoys me. So, I think it's worth mentioning for weirdos like me who refuse to adapt

[@focuspulling]

Love that vintage first-gen BMPCC in the background (then its starring role)

[@delphiallera5516]

The sd card location was very useful for gimbal users so you won't be unmounting the camera when sd is full. I think the camera is more on video camera side than photo since most of its features favors videographers. That tracking is pretty amazing and designed for moving objects/people and the resolution is 26mp so I would say its for videographers than photogs.

[@PhillipRPeck]

That's a good point about accessing the SD while mounted on a gimbal

[@pf4773]

As an international traveler size and weight are huge issues because I don't check my bags and use a tiny sling bag. I have been using the A6000 series cameras for about 10 years. They've gone with me over the world, been dropped onto concrete without busting, and survived sweaty hands and less than ideal weather. I pair this small camera body with two amazing zooms: Sony a70-350mm and the Sony 18-135mm; also the Sigma 30mm for night time shooting. I just purchased the A6700 which contains remarkable improvements to the A6000 line. I plan on starting to shoot documentaries wherein video will be much more important. No, this is not a professional video camera! But, for enthusiasts, absolutely, beautiful videos can be made! With aftermarket fans being sold to cool the internal temp, and by shooting at 1080p (4k is SO overrated) overheating is mitigated. Size and weight and this camera's beautiful photo and video potential are just amazing. To the reviewer, thanks for this video, and I see from your comment that you actually purchased the camera!

[@PhillipRPeck]

All great points. I got mine with the 18-135 lens and am pleasantly surprised by how good it is. I'm not sure that I agree that 4K is overrated, because the 1080 coming out of these high res sensors isn't that great. I'd rather shoot in 4K then work in a 1080 timeline. You'll get much better image quality that way. But I'm still curious to find out if shooting at lower bit rates and lower color subsampling (but still 4K) will help overheating. I definitely have to buy or rent all the cameras I feature in my videos. I'm not at the point where companies are lending me cameras

[@pcofranc]

Grate info @pf4773 and a solid endorsement for the a6000 series. Also, the MarkusPix channel he said a few years ago, if he could ** only have one camera ** it would be the a6600.

[@pcofranc]

@@PhillipRPeck I read that 4:2:0 vs 4:2:2 helps but the body is small and when there is a lack of air movement the body traps heat, best for short bursts of video, or use the cooling fan. I saw video using a kit intended for iPhone: magnetic plate stick on body of camera in front of display screen and then just stick fan on when needed and remove after and LCD clicks closed.

[@PhillipRPeck]

@@pcofranc I tested 4K 24 fps 8-bit 4:2:0 in my video comparing it with the X-S20. Both cameras were able to record for the duration of a full battery. Not even an overheat warning. Remains to be seen with 4K 60 and 120. I haven't tried those yet with reduced quality settings. Fujifilm sells its own fan, so I'm sure they help

[@ivisonpacheco3118]

Hello! Iam from Rio de janeiro Brasil. I have a question for you about heating this camera. I saw some reviews from videographers and photographers saying that this camera overheats when recording in 4K. My question is: does it also heat up when recording Full HD video?

[@PhillipRPeck]

I never ran a stress test in 1080, but I think you'd be fine to record for the duration of a full battery with no problem. I did test the a6700 in 4K 8-bit, 60mbps and with those settings I was able to record a full battery with no heat warning at all. If you want a recommendation, lower the 4K settings and don't record in 1080. The 1080 in this camera does not look good

[@AWAShowme]

I don't understand why anyone with an fx30 or any professional would expect this to be a professional adjunct. This is clearly for someone who is not a pro Sony user. Thanks for the video.

[@mustang2005]

I would really like to see Sony release a more video focused apsc camera similar to the a6700, but not cinema line professional like the fx30. We need something in-between. The closest is probably the zv-e10, but it's already outdated. The only option for video focused is the zv-e1. But for someone that's already invested in apsc lenses, thats not a viable upgrade since it's full frame. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have the zv-e1, but it would be way too expensive to upgrade to since I'd need to get all new full frame lenses. The fact that the a6700 is not really video first and has all these issues makes me hesitant to upgrade from my a6600.

[@PhillipRPeck]

Aside from the cooling issues and micro HDMI, the a6700 is quite a capable video camera. If you really need to record long clips in 4K, you can lower the quality settings. I think the only ways a Sony apsc camera won’t have cooling issues if a.) it has a fan or b.) it’s much lower resolution

[@MeilikPepper]

Nice BMPCC OG in the background!

[@joseqmeh101]

If you want a smaller size camera or any compact product in tech. Some compromises has to happen.

[@davideberhardt4977]

Its easy to fit the new Ulanzi cooling fan on this camera. Gone are the suction cups and it now uses a more effective method to mount it. On and off very easily and it works.

[@PhillipRPeck]

That's good news

[@jaredlobato5264]

​@@PhillipRPeck Do you recommend this camera for shooting a short film?

[@PhillipRPeck]

@@jaredlobato5264 Yeah, it could definitely be used for that. Cons would be the lack of full size HDMI, no RAW output over HDMI, and potential overheating issues. Narrative films tend to have pretty short takes but I'd still worry about heat buildup so I guess I'd ask how long are the shoot days? Can you turn off the camera every once in a while?

[@SilatShooter]

Don't disagree with your negatives. I think as you mentioned this is a small camera and that comes with compromises. But the flipside is you have a very capable camera in a small form factor. For me, the size makes it easier and more likely that it will go with me. There's value in that alone.

[@PhillipRPeck]

Absolutely. The best camera is the one you have with you and the small size makes it a lot easier to bring

[@m1kel]

the C1 used to be the record buttons so, we are thankful is a custom button now.

[@PhillipRPeck]

Yeah, that was a pain

[@indyvin]

I really don't get this. You complain about the overheating and then report very good performance in that area. This is a 1400.00 US hybrid camera. It is not an A1. All the rest of your complaints are in the category of "why didn't Sony consult me for my personal likes and dislikes before releasing this camera". Maybe you could have balanced this video by mentioning the 20 or thirty exceptional features and capabilities that the A6700 does have.

[@TLOverlander]

Maybe a firmware update could bring open gate...would be awesome with an animorph lens setup!

[@PhillipRPeck]

We can dream

[@joshuaaruiz]

Great video! would love to see that overheating deep dive test you were mentioning.. and now I’m curious if the update actually helps or not because my a6700 ended up overheating on me during a wedding ceremony (suuuper lame). I was shooting 4k 60p in more or less short clips at a time, on a gimbal the entire time, it was a hot day (maybe like 85F), and it only lasted for about 50min until the heat warning sign came on and 10 sec later, it turned off. But, to my fault, I had the brightness set to sunny weather so I’m sure that was a huge factor, and I could've shut the camera off when not recording rather than leaving it on the whole time. In my experience it performed decent considering I pushed it to its max, I just now know I can't rely on it in a situation like that. Other than that I love the camera lol And fyi I had heating temp set to high and the flip screen open.

[@PhillipRPeck]

Thanks for that info. There are so many variables that you have to account for regarding overheating, but your use case is exactly the kind of normal, professional scenario that people need to be aware of with this camera. I've had it overheat in 4K120 doing pretty much what you described--short, intermittent clips. But I turned it off between shots as I could tell it was already getting super hot within about 20 minutes. And it still overheated

[@pcofranc]

50 min @ 85F degrees is still great and consider adding the magnetic fan. Remember, camera ON even when NOT shooting video heats it up.

[@yartriesthis]

@@PhillipRPeck is the rolling shutter in A7 IV better? also why is rolling shutter bad it causes headaches?

[@PhillipRPeck]

No. It's as bad or worse. You can see it in my video comparing the a7IV vs FX30. It causes the image to wobble. It looks weird, unnatural. It can be mitigated if the camera has really good stabilization because it keeps the sensor from bouncing around. But the Sony cameras typically don't have class leading stabilization (although the active stabilization in the a6700 seems to be better than other Sony cameras in my initial testing)

[@floatingrabbit3556]

I use the Sony 6300 with a dummy battery power external my a simply 6000mah power bank and have an external monitor. 5 years of 4k recording in souther Africa which is hot BTW and I have never seen the overheat sign. People complain too much. Get a cinema camera if you want the whole package

[@PhillipRPeck]

Well, the a6700 is a lot more capable than the 6300 with internal 10-bit 422 recording so it's not really an apples to apples comparison. I think people should be informed about how the camera operates and potential limitations

[@damienc7303]

I have here an used a7iv and this a6700 on my desk. I have to return one to Amazon and I'm still unsure. I think I'll go with the a6700 as I'm used to apsc (I'm upgrading from a a6500) and the crop factor will probably help a bit for wildlife/birds. Also the AF seems extremely snap on for animals. One step above the a7iv. I'm just worried about the low light perfs and the dynamic range capabilities. I got a little taste of a7iv and it makes a difference... 😟 Anyways. Cool video thanks. 🙂

[@PhillipRPeck]

Yeah, tough one. Both great and very similar in a lot of ways. If it helps, I sold my a7IV in favor of the FX30, but video is much more important to me than photo so may not be as applicable to your needs. I've been loving the a6700 as a photo camera though. I love the compact form factor and the extremely fast, precise, and psychic (?) autofocus. I definitely think the a7IV edges it out in absolute image quality, but for my needs, it doesn't matter

[@parazaurolofek]

I thought you were talking about poor matrix stabilization and the lack of a joystick. I was disappointed at the premiere of this camera, because I have an a6100 and I wanted to buy something better, and in this case the only option left is the Fuji XH2. I would prefer the Canon r7, but it doesn't have native lenses. Recently, there has been poor progress in improving new versions of cameras.

[@PhillipRPeck]

What is matrix stabilization? I'm not much of a photographer so the lack of a joystick hasn't really bothered me. On my other Sony cameras, I mostly use it as a method of navigating the menus... though, it is one fewer function button.

[@parazaurolofek]

It's about IBiS - Google translator translated it wrong

[@PhillipRPeck]

Ah, gotcha. The standard stabilization is typical Sony, but the Active seems to be better... I need to test it out more

[@kingghidorah8106]

i dislike how EVERYONE talking about sony's E mount STILLS CAMERAS is only reviewing the video aspects of them and complaining they're not better than the dedicated video cameras. Instead of focusing on the shutter delay, the rolling shutter, the exposition quality, the eye af, the sensor stabilization etc yall focus on how much it overheats after an hour of 4k 60fps recording, god damn it's a nuclear reactor on a smartphone sized brick made of SEALED MAGNESIUM.

[@PhillipRPeck]

Maybe go to the channels that focus on photography... I also specifically mention that it's a powerful camera in a tiny body and that overheating in video should be expected. And Sony markets it as a HYBRID camera

[@kingghidorah8106]

​@@PhillipRPeck yes, but i can't get any glimpse of whose channels is more focused on photography. As I stated before among my photography friends, Sony's Alpha E mount cameras are being treated like glorified video cameras and Sony is really leaning into making them just _that_ instead of actual stills cameras and that's because more and more people are becoming videographers as photography is slowly getting forgotten. This is why we're having the absolute bummers that are the A7C's hybrid only shooting with a single curtain (which means all your images are going to come with some rolling shutter) or the a6700 still limited to 1/4000 mechanical shutter. What are we going to do with these birds and jet fighters? Or insect wings? Or wide aperture lenses? All my lenses are f2.8-1.4 full frame Minolta mount and i'm 100 percent sure there is more people out there with minolta mount lenses willing to upgrade than people that already upgraded from a previous E mount camera. I really want the A6700 but the only real option i have left is the A99II which is like an A7RM3 with a better screen ergonomy, but Sony made only 100 of them which are in god awful condition already. The A7m4 would be the next option with LA-EA5.

[@PhillipRPeck]

@@kingghidorah8106 What about a used a7RII or a7RIII? Those are still beastly photo cameras

[@kingghidorah8106]

@@PhillipRPeck oh yeah! I had an enlightenment moment when I saw that the A7R3 was CHEAPER than the A6700 but the major detriment was that the LA-EA5 adapter is NOT compatible with the A7R3, only the EA4 which I have yet to investigate if it can use the camera's AF at the same time like the SLT A99II does, combining the AF sensor with the autofocus points of the imaging sensor. I really want the A99II, it's so beautiful it hurts. And it's just a smaller A77M2 which is the camera I've been rocking for 8 years.

[@yartriesthis]

@PhillipRPeck you are the review I am looking for. you keep it real.

[@PhillipRPeck]

Thanks!

[@mex5341]

thx for being normal youtuber and telling the truth

[@matheusfersi062]

the main thing about the a6700 is: She don't do almost anything better than a Fujifilm xt4 from 2021, the IBIS from sony still the same as it was in the old fellow a6500 in a age wich panasonic still dominating, his HDMI recording are too weak for the ones who wants to rig it out with a atomos ninja (in the xt4 you can shoot a prores). The screen is worst too... Its not a bad camera, but there's nothing ''really new'' and people superstimate sony equips. Oh, and have to mention, this thing have only one sd card!!! The good in this body is: S-LOG3, AF. Nothing really more than this, and i think no one will use 4k 120 profissionally

[@markwiemels]

Did you buy one? Or just on loan?

[@PhillipRPeck]

I wish someone would loan me cameras. My wife’s going to divorce me soon

[@markwiemels]

@@PhillipRPeck I’m really sorry to hear that, maybe she will take the house, and you will get to keep the cameras. ;-)

[@yartriesthis]

@@PhillipRPeck If you had to get rid of all your camera but only keep two Sony cameras, Which ones will you keep?

[@PhillipRPeck]

@@yartriesthis a7SIII and ... 🤔

[@RandumbTech]

Love the “bonus negatives” 😂 Can’t believe u didn’t mention the lack of joystick!! The FX30 is soooooo much better.

[@PhillipRPeck]

I never use the joystick... 😬

[@115chandler1]

I feel like the fx30 is for people that dont really use the photo side of the camera and the only reason i say that is because the fx30 can only do single shot photos. If they changed it and gave it that 11fps in photo mode the fx30 would be the camera to get. Thats the only reason i would be looking at the a6700 instead. Other than that the fx30 is better in almost every way

[@KikujiroChan]

second point makes no sense because the rolling shutter is from 24-60p exactly the same (16ms) and with 120fps even faster (8ms). I swear youtuber don't even bother to check facts that are widely available.

[@PhillipRPeck]

The rolling shutter in 4K 60 is clearly visually worse than 4K 24 regardless of what the specs say. In my experience, the 4K 120 looks worse in terms of camera movement than 4K 24, but I did not show a good example of this in the video. So definitely my fault for not providing good evidence for what I'm saying. I'm not an engineer, but perhaps motion artifacts are more obvious in higher frame rates because there are so many more frames relative to the readout speed

[@gbwalther3198]

"Active Cooling:" Sony FX3 and Sony FX30. Sony knows how to make prosumer cameras that work. However, Hybrid cams in 2023, forget that. Looks like FUJI and PANASONIC-LUMIX will bury Sony in the HYBRID camera market with ACTIVE COOLING CAMERAS THAT WORK ALL THE TIME. What's up with Sony? No excuses. Period. Amen! 😎😎

[@The_PlagueDoctor]

Rolling shutter kills any footage of a drummer. Makes it looks like they are swinging wet noodles

[@PhillipRPeck]

That’s very true. And a not uncommon situation

[@Yog_Los_Mas]

I dont own one....yet but I also wished it had a bigger EVF as well as a joystick to target focus. Maybe I should be looking more at the Fuji X-S20...

[@PhillipRPeck]

X-S20 is great