Sony a7S IV: 12MP Global Shutter?

[@genxtechguy]

I don’t care about a global shutter. The A7S IV should be a 6K 60p camera with great low light capabilities. Fast readout. Think Canon R3.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Agreed. End results matter more than any one spec.

[@we.visuals]

I'm hoping for 4k Open Gate.

[@Barnabas87]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I love your video by the way. But we have to think out side the box here. Sony would have to do more than the competition the global shutter isn’t good enough I mean it’s great to have for Sony to beat other companies we need new technology something the other companies don’t have… and we other stuff like open gate and global shutter internal raw etc etc… but Sony needs new stuff… they need that a73 moment…

[@cineffect]

We filmmakers care about global shutter, 20 MP and 4K is enough.

[@genxtechguy]

@@cineffect That sounds cool, but unless you’re sweeping, panning, or shifting your view like a maniac on a regular basis … well, let’s just say, it must have been pretty challenging over the past decade, the majority of cameras didn’t and still don’t have global shutters. The sensors nowadays have plenty fast readouts … unless of course you’re doing some ridiculously fast camera movements in your “films”. I doubt you’ll be using an A7S IV to shoot a production intended for the big screen. 6K 60p seems more important along with good dynamic range and low light capabilities for us “filmmakers”.

[@avdcam]

I think it's very clear that the FX3 successor will fill this gap. Most video focused owner operators are investing in FX3's over A7s' these days.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

That makes sense... but when I see the a7C still part of the lineup with the A7C II and a7Cr, with the a7S3 still part of the lineup years after the release of the FX3, I would not be surprised to see sony release both the A7S IV and the FX3 II...

[@avdcam]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker yah, and I mean the A7sIii has an EVF, the FX3 fundamentally doesn’t. So there is worth in having two skus there. I guess the real big question, will they stay at 12 megapixels.

[@CC-gt3ro]

FX It is a niche market. The grand public, enthusiast and pro are targeting camera with evf like a7sIII and a7c. These were great commercial success and. Continue with a7cII. I foresee a Sony a7sIV with 24mp global shutter sensor, 8k60, 6k60, 6k120, with dual lenses VR 180 3D, AI autofocus.

[@giovannispinosa182]

The A7S IV will not do 8K, nor should it. Neither will it have a global shutter. Sony, which incidentally also makes that partially stacked sensor in the Nikon Z6 III, makes the Fuji 40MP APS-C sensor. Maintaining the same pixel density, scaling it up to a FF sensor gives you slightly north of 100 MP. Binning the pixels 4:1, as is done in the current A7S III, thereby increasing pixel area, enhances sensitivity and would give you about 26 MP. That's all you really need for the A7S IV successor. Imagine now this sensor is stacked and dual gain, giving it the needed speed and dynamic range. Throw in a CFExpress gen 4.0 bus, 32-bit float audio, 6k open gate and you'd have your "Wow" camera. This is a far more likely scenario than using a global shutter with its incumbent limitations, that Sony engineers no doubt are working furiously to mitigate. Pinky bet, Simon? (The A7S IV is not going to compete with that terrific R5 MII upgrade nor should it.)

[@Photogopinion]

Probably as good a guess as any. I very much doubt If any current Canon or Nikon is much in the minds of Sony engineers thinking of an A7S successor. If we’ve learnt anything from the FX’s, A7Rv, A9iii, even the A7c successors, it’s that Sony’s development and R&D is pretty unpredictable by any outsiders until a new camera actually arrives on the scene.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Agreed. no 8K for the a7s4 of FX3 II.

[@amermeleitor]

All that you said, but keeping the sensor 12mpx, stacked and super fast. And with a crazy good super slow motion at 1080p and 4k.

[@JojoJoget]

I prefer 200/240 or better, 400/480fps in 4k rather than 8k

[@heynow2880]

It has to be 6K. I want it to do crop mode. It is one of the things that annoys me about the A7S3

[@nyambe]

Can’t believe it’s been 4 years. And it is still relevant

[@EPXPhotography]

I'm glad you finally reported on Sony. I'm team Canon , but I value your insight and would love to hear more from you about Sony, so I can better consider Sony.

[@mbismbismb]

lol

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

It's nice to report on others. Sony doesn't let much leak out. I had been looking for stuff on Sony but found nothing so I came up with this idea myself...

[@WernerBirdNature]

Hi Simon, Sony seems from the big three most focused on video & vlogging, and less for example in AF advancements. Easier said than done, but they could take the 24 mPickles sensor of the a9iii, and give half of them a higher gain. And depending whether or not the sensitive pixel is in overload, they use the low gain or high gain pixel .. ending up indeed with 12mPickles .. On the other hand, assuming the half-stacked Z6iii sensor was made by Sony, they could also consider an a7Siv based on that Z6iii sensor, but stack up the % responsible for the sensitivity ..

[@urosjovanovic3142]

Open gate recording 32bit audio Better ibis Better dynamic range 4k up to 240fps If it has all this, I think it would be enough

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

love open gate

[@SnapSonic]

Internal time code please😅

[@NomadicManav007]

Currently we dont need more resolution... 4k 120 is more than enough... need things like pro res raw internal, better stabilization, internal nd

[@YanniVelez]

I'm hoping with an A1 Mark II - with the following update. Keep it 51MP, Stacked Sensor, Same fully articulating screen like the A7RV with the same color science as the A7RV. with an internal 8K 60p. Keep the 4K 120p and the same button layout as it is now.. with a dual base ISO of 800 & 3200 (SLOG3) and native base ISO of 100 (photo). This in my opinioin would make an amazing Sony True Hybrid Camera

[@visionz_n_media]

I don’t think Sony is afraid to canibalize the a9 III. They offered 3 tiers for that old 12mp sensor, the FX3, a7s III, and ZV-E1, which shows that they are willing to do it. If anything, they would limit the photo specs of the a7s IV, if it used the same sensor as the a9III. This extra time could allow them to work on that sensors DR and lowlight capabilities. It’s definitely time to move up from the 4K cap. So I hope it’s not another 12mp sensor, unless they are offering ridiculous frame rates like 4k240 or 4k480 🤷🏽

[@RayValdezPhotography]

DR and low light is more important than resolution in most real world cases. How many 6 or 8K films are being watched every day. Sure you can crop and stuff but you can just frame it correctly. Also upscaling with AI gets better all the time. Its only a matter of time until that software comes from canon and sony.

[@JojoJoget]

Resolution has diminishing returns for video, framerate not so much.

[@invader_viv]

I think Sony is just studying all of Camera Conspiracies Kaseys videos and trying to figure out how to get 4K with some very high frame rate to make Kasey spec slow-mo

[@RayValdezPhotography]

I dont see the point in global shutter if it hurts DR or high ISO. Just have a fast read out speed to get rid of jello and warping.

[@clydedigital]

How would you resolve the rolling shutter if not with a global shutter?

[@RayValdezPhotography]

@@clydedigital already said fast read out. ARRI doesnt have global shutter and is the top preferred camera brand in the biggest most expensive films on earth with the best quality and DR ever.

[@clydedigital]

@@RayValdezPhotography my understanding is that the faster the read speed gets, the closer you get to a global shutter…

[@RayValdezPhotography]

@@clydedigital global shutter is a different technology. they seems to be trade offs to using it. In sony its photo dr and in canon it was video dr.

[@mousbleu]

I bought the R5 II as I love Canon and I wish it will remain the only raw 12 bits capable device in town. 🥺😊

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Really? Better competition means a better R5 III ;)

[@ProfoundProductions]

Needs to be at least 8k for creating VR content. Sony needs a VR lens as well. I have companies looking to create content for the Apple Vision Pro like Balenciaga to be future proof. Regular camera tech has pretty much peeked and clients won’t be able to tell the difference at this point. They want something new and exciting.

[@tonygerassi1502]

I don’t think it needs a global shutter. It’s extra costs not needed in a consumer camera, Maybe in an FX9 or something. If the A7Siv has a 24 MP stacked sensor with that second gain starting at iso 1600/12800 and can shoot 30 fps photo and 4k240 and 6k120, they just broke the market and if it can sell for $3800, they just made the ultimate photo camera and video camera. Anyone who couldn’t afford an A9iii would have a baby version in this A7Siv if it’s this capable. Add the dual CF A slots for redundant recording of all video rates and I think every type of working photographer would want this camera, from wedding, sports, wildlife, journalists, to video work. I think it is taking long because they were waiting for canon and Nikons releases so Sony can take all the PR spotlight. Canon seems to be forcing them out with rushed R1 and R5ii prototypes for the Olympics. I think Sony was waiting patiently and this fall and next year will be Sony pushing its marketing to outshine with the A7Siv, A1ii, A7v

[@michaelmalodrums9674]

I think Nikon once they start using Red technology will really steal some market share . They were even talking about adding existing Red colour science into existing Nikon cameras ! That could get some attention if that happens this fall 😉

[@mousbleu]

I think it'll take longer but on the long run their investment will pay out hopefully.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I think it depends on how early Nikon had access to RED technology. April isn't so long ago.

[@michaelmalodrums9674]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker well did you read what the president of Nikon said in an article on the petapixel website ?

[@DreamReleases]

What "RED technology" other than firmware? RED has no new hardware technology that nobody else has. Nada.

[@michaelmalodrums9674]

@@DreamReleases they have 16 bit RED 3D raw i will happily take that in a firmware update .

[@moussasah2710]

Simon We have a problem... the specifications of the next A7IV are limited by the Sony Burano. Sony must take into consideration the arrival of the C400 which is a killer of Burano, Fx9, and Fx6... if they put too many specs in the A7SIV in video, it canibalizes their camera range... The only solution is that they come out in chronological order: Burano - FX9 - Fx6 - Fx3/A7SIV... Even the Fx9/FX6 range becomes difficult with a C400 opposite... maybe an FX7? Who would take over the game?

[@BasilVKfilms2018]

I think canon R5II &z8 only can be called as hybrid

[@cathco9]

I really don't know a thing about video so can't offer an opinion on this. I do feel like it's Sony's turn for some camera updates. Sony really doesn't need to offer sales if their product line is selling with no new versions yet on the horizon. Canon and Nikon do this to clear out inventory for new models. Look how long the R5 has been on sale. Get rid of all the units. I think 2024/2025 is going to be a great period for Canon, Nikon and Sony photographers. I bet Sony photographers are wondering about an A1 II. I bet that will be an impressive camera. As always, thanks Simon!!!

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Earlier this year the idea of an A7S4 and A12 were much in doubt. I'm curious what comes. I believe Canon has a few cameras to announce, but just speculation as to what they could be.

[@Tim596100]

With 6K or 8k you can crop in for 4k, you can't do that with 12 mp which has a height of around 4000 pixels. And 12mp wouldn't be good for stills. With all other things being equal, when you downscale a high mp sensor video (or still) down to 12mp then it will have the same high-iso performance as the 12mp sensor, due to capturing the same amount of total light (for this reason it is a myth that low mp sensors are better for low-light). But the higher mp sensor will also produce a sharper image. So I wouldn't see the point of it.

[@kevenspargo6829]

My top wish for the A7S IV is increased dynamic range. After that, I’d love 60K slow motion.

[@SamanthaRitchie-v5r]

No matter how good the specs will be the overheating issue needs to be addressed first in order to enjoy the benefits

[@CC-gt3ro]

I foresee a Sony a7sIV with 24mp global shutter sensor, 8k60, 6k60, 6k120, with dual lenses VR 180 3D, AI autofocus, evf high end, screen rotative 4d from a7rv, screen 3 millions pixels, improve stabilization 9 stops, LUT, waveform, false color, cine 2.35 marker and black bars, anamorphic features, built in full cage.

[@giladvalkor]

A7SIV - Please give me 20mp which is just enough to have 6K video, The Same low light abilities at 12,800 ISO, Improved Auto Focus, and the Same Flip/Tilt Screen as the A9III and A7RV. I don't care about Global Shutter as long as the A7SIV retains the same readout speed as the A7SIII. It virtually has little to no rolling shutter anyway. A few other perks would be great like Open Gate and built in ND's... but I'm pretty sure they would save that for the FX3 Mark II.

[@johnclay7644]

informative news thanks Simon.

[@SuperSdbaby]

I think: I’m damn tired of not being able to take pictures on a Sony camera -for 4 years now!🧑🏽‍🎓

[@Wave_Drop]

The A7S IV will definitely have a new 24MP sensor.

[@sentralent1850]

a7sIV will make sense if Sony removes mechanical shutter in FX3 II.

[@kennymcleish]

Rather than global shutter, I'd be happy with a faster readout speed that is "fast enough", which it seems like the R1 is. Then ditch the mechanical shutter, which I would hope would reduce costs. I'd also be happier with lower video specs, if it reduced the need for complex cooling systems. An R3 mk II or a R6 mk III?

[@CLIFFLIX]

The sensor in the A7S-III is also in the FX3 and FX6 has well as a new E-mount production PTZ Camera. If they put some crazy new 12mp sensor in the A7S-IV,....if it "was" that much better than the current sensor?...that would put enormous pressure on the other cameras I just listed. I don't see them making a new 12mp sensor right now given that the FX3 and FX6 are selling so well. I think the A7S-III stays for well into 2025 or even 2026 and will not change until the FX6 and FX3 are ready for a sensor refresh.

[@scb2scb2]

The question is more will be even get a a7s4 given the now new found 'glue' cameras like the fx3 that create a nice 'cheap' cinema camera for many in combo with more highend sony cinema gear. I think indeed its more likely for sony to ask and fill that role more if cinema crews demand it. Think 'cheap' fx3ii's they can link up in cars, trains and planes for shots and will work perfectly well for the youtube crowd too the simple fact is more than a few (like most) still use things like the fx3 (or S3) because they are good value and work.

[@mariuswickli3206]

I don't think that the S4 would cannibalise a lot of sales from the fx6 as they have a different target audience. it's also possible that they stop with the s Line and just stick with the FX3 line as they share the same sensor and form factor anyway. Also, the FX6 could use an update. Not solely sensor focused but also firmware and body modifications (like for sound recording). I personally don't think, that the release of a A7S4 would harm the lineup but rather push it forward.

[@scb2scb2]

@@mariuswickli3206 it won't harm (maybe confuse a little) but also don't see many sales of a s4 over a fx3ii

[@m0nztam0nk]

If THAT Were true… i wouldnt care at all… we finally need a massive bump in dynamic range, not more speed…

[@clydedigital]

Rolling shutter is a massive problem and if they could solve that problem it would be a huge step…

[@scb2scb2]

Doubt it will be a globalshutter tge DR would be a issue and the gains to little for a 12mp (or really internally 48mp) sensor. If we take no improvement in stacked sensor readout. the 12mp could be done in about 1.5-2ms (taking the a1 speed as the base). We have to first wonder if sony will even release a a7S4 or just go with the 2 other models FX3ii and ZV-E1ii that use the same sensor. ZV-E1ii would be 3 years off so no issue and the FX3ii with a stacked sensor and maybe a solution to get the image sharper would be more likely. We still don't really know what is happening with that sensor internally how it gets from its 48MP 'pixels' to the 12MP output but i can see maybe some first line downscaling to get a sharper image next even if the output would still be 12mp coming of the sensor. No idea how that would work but sounds like a area of work thats interesting. Next to say 2ms sensor (12mp output) i think the camera should/might follow more video trends like 32bit audio, maybe 32bit wireless receiver build in, more functions on the hotshoe more remote protocols for complex setups on movie sets where fx3 can act like the 'glue' with the bigger sony cinemaline.

[@gadgetphilosophy8290]

Seriously. You’re a talented speaker but guessing what anyone could do amounts to nothing. What a waste of time

[@nyambe]

The competition is retaining their users, slowing the bleeding, recuperating some but do you think Sony fun boys are tempted to switch for one or two cameras when they have a huge ecosystem bodies and lenses to choose from.

[@JojoJoget]

GS is unlikely, 12mp full stacked sensor would be more likely, a sub 4ms or even sub 2ms readout 4k camera would be incredible. My A7siii never missed a beat since I got it on release, a triple base ISO camera would also be possible.

[@neilkennethofficial]

Because both the a7siii and a7iv are still selling well even in 2024.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

You've reached into the mind of Sony... that is truly how they think... Why disrupt the cart if current cameras are selling well.

[@ferdinandbardamu3945]

Forget global shutter and 6K. Stacked 12 megapixel sensor with 17 stops of dynamic range. Double the FPS at 4k and 1080p and give us a screen with at least 2000 nits.

[@RynaxAlien]

Novel sensor technology is badly needed because outdated silicon sensors can increase sensitivity only by relying massive pixels thus camera's with lens have to be either heavy/bulky or resolution limited to have better performance/high ISO. Graphene enhanced CMOS, quantum dot and Canon SPAD sensor are in the development. Graphene sensor can be x1000 more sensitive and can detect invisible spectrum even up to thermal MWIR - possibilities could be amazing. Infared and UV photography is becoming interesting not just for reseach but also in artistic applications. Metalens are also could open new possiblities.

[@digital_pictures]

I’ve used BMPCC 6K Pro since 2021. And i’m still waiting for a better Sony. Run and gun video centric in 2024 should be at least : 6k Internal raw Internal ND Better Dynamic range Better IBIS C400 already there. And not much expensive compare to FX6 which technically uses same sensor as fx3, a7siii. Grab your chance, Sony.

[@moussasah2710]

C400 is burano,fx6,Fx9 killer ! we want the new model hybrid between it ! Waiting look the answer to Sony...

[@digital_pictures]

@@moussasah2710 Sony’s hybrid new release should be better or at least equal to GH7 or S5iix spec. R5C, A7R5, Z8 (recently) moved to 8k since last gen. Even Z6iii. If Sony still stucks with 4K, sorry Sony. We gotta move ( of cause with lens adapter, and we won’t be fouled to buy new lens )

I think they gonna focus on dynamic range

[@loboptlu]

Always funny to see the war on sensors while 90% watch the vids made with em on a smartphone where none not one of those great technological advances make any difference ,because you need for 4k around 40 inch screen and 8k makes a visible difference at 60.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I hardly ever use my smartphone for photos and vids. Well, not completely true. I use the phone for taking pics of something on sale, license plate or everyday stuff like that. Something I want as a reference or to send to someone where I don't care about quality.

[@loboptlu]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker didnt mean use them to make vids , meant those watching the vids , 90 % use their smartphones for youtube videos or at best a pad with a slightly bigger screen , heck im writing this on an ipad right now and was watching the vid in the small youtube app window because its far easier to navigate than a smart television , and as said you will need a quite large screen to take advantage of the improvements of the cameras.

[@Carlos-tm6zk]

Hi! I wonder if there’s still a place for a a7s iv in the current lineup… maybe they will discontinue that model… As for the a7v? It’s gonna be 3 years from its release in November, right? Normally we get a 4 year cycle for refresh of the Sony a series, and the a7iv is still very capable, so maybe there isn’t a need for a refresh just yet. Another reason why I think the a7s might be discontinued is because of zv lineup, Sony seems to be betting on that, so it seems to me kind of redundant to have the a7s, but it’s just my opinion. As for Nikon with red technology, cameras take at least 2 years being tested, so I doubt we’ll see a NikonRed camera before 2026… All best

[@getabey]

If not global shutter, a 12mp stacked sensor may be enough.

[@SuperVokan]

Increase the sensor to put in a crop to 4k so that a gimbal is no longer needed. Stack sensor and no global shutter needed.

[@alansarpy]

First off a better LCD!!!!! Go with 4k down sampled from a 6k Stacked sensor. Give the camera the ability to add preview Luts. SHUTTER ANGLE and better exposure monitoring tools other then the Histogram... Add the updated AI autofocus . How about internal Pro Res or some type of internal Raw.....

[@adminggroup5737]

Welcome to GS club! It’s opened for registration exclusively for the true innovators.

[@jdavidmusic]

As long as you have the market share, and your camera is leading the pack in video acquisition.... you can afford to keep your R&D modular and not lock yourself into tech that may not surpass your competitions latest offerings. Sony will be announcing the real "WOW" camera of 2024 in the next couple of months... perhaps less than a month. And it will likely leapfrog even the R5II

[@Gremlack13]

It seems there’s no reason for the a7s series of cameras after they released the fx3 that is an a7siii but a more cinema centric body. The a7 series is video centric, but why bother with a hybrid camera body and not just stick to the fx style body? Nobody is using the series as a hybrid camera body. Why waste time and money on hybridizing a video centric camera?

[@videopat3285]

Should an successor of the FX6 be something for 2025? it was 2020.

[@aviationmedia2425]

I hope you're right Simon, Sony needs to hit a new home run.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Just how I would think if I was leading Sony and wanted to take the crown from Canon.

[@erichramone7812]

Very interesting take on this Simon

[@RandumbTech]

It won’t have a global shutter with 12MP sensor. It will shoot 6K open gate so it needs at least 24MP. The reason Sony hasn’t released an A7Siv yet is because the A7Siii is still very competitive. The killer feature for me would be if they could process that juicy gyro data and process that stabilization in camera at the clip level. And maybe if they include 32 bit float recording like the new GH7 too. I sold my A7Siii a few days ago so they better release it soon!

[@colos7]

How much did you get for your used A7SIII? I plan to sell as well soon.

[@mariuswickli3206]

Why do you say it will and will not do certain things? And why would they process the gyro data in camera? a bit plus of gyro data is, that you can adjust the influence it has, if you bake it in you can just use IBIS

[@john_young]

The technology of in-body processing is nowhere close. Sony's Gyro data takes time to crunch even on the fastest Apple M3 macs. So what you're hoping for is impossible today. Also, Catalyst needs the entire clip in place to analyze how much to crop, so it's not a real-time processor anyway.

[@solarion33]

I wonder if the a9iii sensor technology was really developed by Panasonic and its partners and was sold or was licensed to Sony for production.. wild idea I know .. but possible

[@scb2scb2]

I think there is more change it was made by canon and given to sony for fun :) . At some point the whole panasonic sensor stories got to end. Sony is the big boy in sensors and there might be some cross licensing going on with most brands its likely its core tech is there own. The only interesting move might be for nikon who now uses sony by with now owning red could possibly go for some cameras using forza (who i think still makes the red sensors).

[@angeloplayforone]

Panasonic has big challenges for their L mount FF. The said previously that they will not introduce a 8K, but Nikon, Canon, Sony and Fuji has 8K bodies for video. Not introducing 8k video will let the market feel Panasonic is not leading more into video. Also Panasonic never uses the latest technology in sensor. They came late with PDAF and even does use slightly changed standard Sony sensor. Their 24Mpx cameras like S5II range use older Sony sensors based on the old Sony A7III sensor. Now with Nikon partially stack 24Mpx Z6III,that breaked the barrier for uncropped 4K@60p, which Canon R6 II allready broke, they can not rely on old sensor technologies. Panasonic needs to invest in state of the art image sensor for the S 1 type of camera, if they still focus on video with this range.

[@angelguzman8737]

I think Sony will release the A1 mk2 this January

[@elysiumcore]

I want an A7V - Make it 50 MP, 20 -30 FPS, Sold day one - 😍 Sony needs to hurry up ..Camera market is not exactly Hot , especially when you have Cellphones ( using the latest 1" Sony Sensors * ironic right ) kicking major butts

[@weigertj]

The A7 IV is a mid-tier series camera competing with the Nikon R6 III and Canon R6 II, that's why the Sony A7V won't have 50 MP. For resolution with a higher price you can buy the Sony A7R V or A1.

[@harryvuemedia5106]

Nope. Sony will not continue the a7S lineup anymore. No point in it at all anymore. FX3 took over the video camera so the a7Siii is likely the last a7S camera. I be very surprise if Sony does release an a7Siv. Today, its better to have a video camera body with a fan rather than one without it and the ergonomics. FX3 fills those holes greatly and we will see an FX3-ii before an a7Siv. And even if sony does release an a7Siv, might as well just wait another 6 months to get the FX3-ii. Im pretty sure sales are also down for the a7siii and sales are up for the fx3 which gives even more reasons not to make an a7Siv.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

That makes a lot of sense and I;ve said this many time before, but Sony has a way of keeping various versions of the same capabilities scattered through their lineup. The FX3 and a7S3 are the same but a few features. The FX30 is an APS0C version of the FX3. The a6700 is the a7S3 minus a few features, and let's not forget the A7C II and A7C R while the a7C MK1 is still on the market. Logical yes, but are we so sure?

[@alexfournier9956]

CANON R5 II ALREADY PREORDERED... WAITING FOR SONY A7S4 & PANASONIC S1H II TO ORDER THEM

[@ejimihe8010]

To put them in your cupboard, use them rarely & then wait for Canon r5 iii and Sony a7s5

[@Hfd678vcdg]

6K (or 8K). I.S. Internal ND. 10 bit 120fps in camera, 17+ stops DR, Dual ISO. Whichever camera company does this first will get my money

[@mariuswickli3206]

Why not make it 10k, 240fps and 20+ stops of DR? and please make it unter 2K USD :D. Jokes aside, 17+ Stops is at a Arri/Red Level and all the oder features need space and/or produce lots of heat. We have a lot of the mentioned features in the sony Burano but i don't know your budget and would not expect anything like this to come to a A7s3 form factor in the next 5-10 Years

[@buckeroonii]

Don't forget lumix s5ii with open gate,

[@natureredux1957]

The Elephant in the Room is this, Nikon is now Rumored to be building it's own Factory/Factories to design and build Sensors. So that would likely mean Sony will no longer be needed, sooner then later after a few years, to build Nikon Sensors. Plus since Nikon does not have a cinema camera Lineup it needs to protect like Sony and Canon, they can incorporate far more Key Video Specs/features. More so now then ever after their purchase of RED. So Sony cannot just go about business as usual and bring out a Meh and overpriced a7siv. So it has to be at least, a 20MP fully stacked sensor or better.

[@GameProgrammer79]

Probably 20mp stacked sensor definitely not global sensor

[@dennisvisualske]

12 mp, what is the purpose of global shutter, for videos?😂😂😂

[@gtwester]

I think the A7S line as we know it is dead. Video strictly shooters will have to move to the FX3 line. With Sony having plenty of camera's shooting really good video what's the point of a video only body for hobbyist? I also don't see the point of 6K. Why would Sony wait all this time and NOT have a camera at least in line with the competition who's already at 8K 60p? Just my opinion though and as a A7S3 owner I would love a mk4.

[@Gremlack13]

Sony cameras have disappointed me over the past few years. The a7iv and a7rv were disappointing in their all around d speed capabilities. Capping their cameras at 10fps compressed images is falling far behind the competition. I was eagerly anticipating the release of the a7iv and a7rv to potentially switching to Sony, but was sorely disappointed. I ended up sticking with canon and getting the r6ii, and haven’t looked back. I think Sony needs to step up their overall camera use cases to attract more people. I love the speed and versatility of the r6ii, and wish I had the budget of the r5ii. And Nikon is starting to knock it out of the park and getting better with every release. They’re now becoming more attractive to me than sony’s cameras. I want to love Sony, but their feature set is lagging to me compared to the competition.

[@dsa4931]

AGAIN SAME NUISANCE OF CAMERA RELEASE PREDICTIONS ...... CANT UNDERSTAND WHAT PURPOSE DOES SUCH VIDEOS SERVE.........😢😢😢😢😢

[@rechertz8445]

It is better to avoid a7s4 cuz of how they ignored s3 and gave special attention to Fx3 when both have same internals inside. Anyways I will personally not pick up any more Sony non Fx series bodies.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Sony has a lot of camera on the market with many of them having very similar capabilities but at different price points.

[@rechertz8445]

Maybe they killed the a7s series and simply moved to FX3

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

That made a lot of sense to me when the FX3 was announced, but considering Sony keeps the a7C around with the A7C II and a7Cr, I'm not so confident...

[@jdavidmusic]

$2499.... "partially stacked"

[@222jojo]

Panasonic and Sony are quiet...

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Sony is quiet, Panasonic isn't doing much but reporting dire future by their CEO and using Nikon ambassador images on their camera promotional pages. Expect Sony t0o make some announcements this fall.... Panasonic its do or die.

[@jimbruton9482]

At some point, the industry will saturate the market with so many hybrid cameras that many people will lose interest in who provides 8k or 4k video the best or fastest, nor really care anymore, possibly causing a surplus then lower costs. Not a video fanatic so I'm in that don't care category. I don't own a Sony camera but if I did, it would be the A7RV, not the ones you mention.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Just look at Sony's lineup - so many cameras filling almost every product opportunity...

[@7moodcamq8]

call me greedy but I want at least 24mp

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

What does 24mp give you that 12 doesn't in the a7S

[@tresderan10]

sony does not hear from customares.. and is going to fail and this global shutter fo 12mpx is nonsense, i just buy the as7III unbstead for a cheaper price.. if it is so and if i wan to go forward i go for the best now on the market the R5II simple and clear.. sony is doing what canon did in the past trying to annoying it's fan base with slow progressing.. the A9III is just a bad camera.. and global shutter without a pleasant image is nonsensical.. so this will be just a useless camera.. but at this point i am switching to canon or either nikon if they prep out a Z8 red C camera.. that would be a killer.. so let's see sony the only way to stay in the market for them is a stacke 24mpx 6K 60p A7SIV i don't see any other chance.. 4k is not enough anymore.. 6k is the best format ever.. for both quality and reframing.. and can be upscaled to 8k without a problem. and a better dynamic range.. canon has done it's homework the R5 bettere in every part of its' spechs.. not so the R1 they should have made it a 36 mpx camera.. but what to do.. they have just perfected the R3 but without giving the needed extra.. so bye bye sony do your choices without listening... and we won't buy .. i stop buying sony's cameras since a7III .. i like A7SIII but is now too old.. we are lucky to have R5 II and possibly a new better Black magic with a stacked sensor..

[@sunitnikam]

BAD NEWS 😢

[@jdavidmusic]

Sony will up the video resolution to 6k so the 12 megapixels is out.

[@scb2scb2]

It was never 12mp to start with internally its a 48mp sensor, Its more likely they will try to find better tricks to get it sharper.

[@jdavidmusic]

@@scb2scb2 Faster processor, AI chip, better stabilization and even more amazing autofocus.... let's go!

[@scb2scb2]

@@jdavidmusic yes the A9iii already has more 'cpu' than the A1 since its able to move 120fps at 24mp and the A1 only 30fps at 50mp. We will see the AI chip included and maybe (or atleast) moving the cpu to smaller chip node size making is faster but more important less heat. When i replace my A1 with the A1ii we might even see sony using the same sensor (the a1 sensor is able todo 44fps its now limited by cpu, thats why the A9iii speed is interesting). And if its 'only' 44fps or 40fps i will be fine as long as other parts of the camera move forward.

[@mbismbismb]

yeah leap with bruises hahahahaha cough fix the poor DR and noise performance first

[@WiFuzzy]

And now here we go with the next round of best guesses. If half of what these channels said was accurate. In 10 years we could just send our cameras to work without us and just sleep in. Btw. They are also a great way to sabotage a product launch by overhyping things.

[@solarion33]

18 mp 6k sensor for a7s4 makes more sense

[@DanBallzerian]

If you look at range these cameras came out the Sony a7s Iv should be next then to put it in a league of its own for video and than they will drop the Sony a1 ii to be the best camera of all and hopefully the a1 can drop to $5500 to compete with the z9 price and then we need a Sony a7 v they need something to compete with the z8 hopefully the a7 v can be stacked sensor 24-38 megapixel range with 4k 120 with the new lcd screen on the a7r v and throw in a 5-9 million evf