Sony A80K OLED TV Review (vs LG C2)

[@OroborOSX11]

I never realized how important decontouring was to me until I saw how well Sony TVs handle it. They really are the best in the industry at preventing posterization in gradients.

[@KryssN1]

Philips 706 was awful with posterization in dark scenes and is only little better 807. Sony, LG, Panasonic and Samsung are way ahead. Not going to get lured by Amblight ever again. After trying out S95B QD OLED at my cousins place, owning C2 42 myself and seeing G3, anything else besides G3 and S95B is not bright enough for me. When compared C2 to G3, the C2 looks washed out, lacking light vibrancy in some scenes when it supposed to be blidnign is just colorful. Going to get at least S95C or G3 as my main set, 65 or 75 inches this year.

[@E96]

Mediatek Pentonic is desperately needed in 2023 TVs. A lot of these TVs are held back by inferior SoCs.

[@StevoHDA]

they're held back by inferior greedy manufacturers and everyone who buys into it

[@b0nz1official]

Who would have thought a few years ago that the chipsets are the one thing that is holding modern OLED TVs back in 2022 and 2023

[@donvanvilet8466]

@@b0nz1official You could literally just get a high end computer GPU to drive these things and do 8k @ 500hz TODAY. RIGHT NOW. It's all a scam.

[@hideff4982]

@@donvanvilet8466 True. My family are billionaries and I already play with a RTX9090 at 8K 720Hz.

[@luistorres8005]

@@hideff4982 😂😂😂

[@Ephemeral9862]

I ignored the noise and got the A80k. I was blown away by how good the TV sounded in the shop. Night and day compared to LG imho. I don't want to spend beaucoup bucks on an extra sound system when my expensive TV already comes bundled with it. I also use the TV primarily in a dark room so whatever brightness nitpicking a lot of people are doing doesn't really matter to me. Sometimes it's necessary to cut out the noise of opinions and focus on your needs. I'm one happy camper.

[@simonrockstream]

Bro. Audio is 50% of the experience, if not more. Get some proper audio. You are wasting your TV.

[@pixelslaughter3492]

I can't believe anyone would buy a TV because of its audio.

[@HurricaneLaughter]

@@pixelslaughter3492 right? I cant believe people are spending their money on something they want. Shame on them

[@CarlitoJr408]

All of you ignore what op says and just act like jerks😂😂😂, except for no name. Audio from Sony TVs are amazing btw. Sounds like y'all don't have Sony😂😂😂

[@tears2040]

I just bought the 77” A80K and amazed how good the sound is. By comparison I own an 85” Samsung 8K tv where the tv speakers are horrible. Really and I mean extremely impressed with Sony currently. I haven’t own a Sony tv in a long time. I also own Lg Oled X model.

[@VGJunky]

It feels like you made an effort for this to be really concise! Your effort is appreciated

[@trumpetmusic5672]

After watching many many comparison videos I went with the A80j over the C1 even though I game a lot. In every single video (including the ones where it was obvious they were trying to make the C1 look better) the A80j simply looked better. Compared to the Sony, the C1 always seemed not dark enough in dark parts of the videos and not light enough in light ones. By the time I bought the A80j it had already rolled out it's vrr feature so there was literally no competition factor left with the C1.

[@GLRYB2GD]

🔥🔥

[@redrock425]

At least in films the A80J is great, very happy with mine

[@robertbopko]

I opted for C1 because of 4x full HDMI ports and ability to completely disable TPC/GSR with service remote. A80J was my second choice. I'd rather have Android compared to LG OS tho.

[@Need4FPS]

I think there are thousands of people out there who are more than happy with their C1. Not saying Sony is bad / worse but.. what you think is your own preference/ opinion. Doubt that C1 needs rigged reviews since it was released, it made a legendary status for being used as a gaming screen / monitor.

[@AFlyingCookieLOL]

@@robertbopko 4x hdmi ports is not a deal breaker as you can just use a switch. Plus the main thing on the TV is the picture quality.

[@mturzo]

You need to do 65 inch C2 Vs a 65 inch A80k. Some reviewer have said the peak brightness of the C2 is not noticeable on the 48 inch versions

[@jungleboy1]

that is true. No idea why 48" C2 was used in this comp.

[@mohgujai]

@@jungleboy1 He doesn't want to spend money on a 55" or above, the 48" has a different (lower) brightness rating as I understand

[@jungleboy1]

@@mohgujai he shouldnt need to. He is getting sponsored by TV retailer crampton & moore. Surely they can give him a tv to test out? The Tech Giant (youtuber) has a smaller viewer base but he is getting TVs sent to him for review. This guy is the guru of TV reviewing, but if you say so i guess :(

[@animeworldsensei]

@@jungleboy1 no difference in performance

[@FEWGEE1]

The 48" version isn't an EVO panel.

[@ChucklesMcChuckleson]

I agree entirely with this review. I'm a touch disappointed by its brightness, but the processing and color accuracy are awesome on my A80K. PS5 looks great on it. The C2 is defintely an equivalent option as well, and you really can't go wrong with either.

[@cun7us]

Same as 2021 models; Sony better for movies/TV shows, and LG better for gaming but both are great either way.

[@drunkhusband6257]

@@cun7us I'd have to disagree and say the Sony is better for everything if you like better image quality.

[@cun7us]

@@drunkhusband6257 only for picture quality. Sony TVs have less gaming features and are considerably more expensive. The C2 also has a brighter panel than the A80K, therefore does better HDR rendition and has lower input lag, which is why LG is better for gaming.

[@drunkhusband6257]

@@cun7us When you've tried both come back and comment. Gaming features lol they are the same on both. Both have vrr, both have allm, and both are gsync and freesync compatible.

[@cun7us]

@@drunkhusband6257 ok, you have no idea what you're talking about as I figured. It doesn't have Freesync so you're lying there, it only has two HDMI 2.1 ports, worse input lag and HDR, and doesn't do Dolby Vision at 4K 120Hz. The C2 is an objectively better TV for gaming.

[@tears2040]

Just bought Sony A80K 77” and literally amazed by how beautiful the image looks. I own a Samsung 8K and an LG Oled CX/BX. Just started gaming with the PS5 on this and everything looks beautiful, Sony also gives you an insane amount of options to tailor the picture how you choose. From Very colorful and bright to neutral or anywhere in between. Extremely responsive and the input lag is not noticeable at all, so I would definitely recommend this tv for gamers. As of this post July 2023, the A80K 77” model has been marked down to $2500-2999 in the states depending on which store you can find it (Costco excellent deal) I paid $2500 plus tax and was set on buying the Samsung S90C ($3000) but I’m so happy with this Sony there’s no need to upgrade for years. Tv shows, streaming content and gaming all look spectacular. After you adjust settings and turn all eco mode off the tv gets plenty bright. Sony really does an amazing job with their processor , also the Costco model I bought comes with a backlit remote that looks superior in quality.

[@Joshua-xh6bm]

I just caught it for $2,500 on Amazon so your post about how great it is makes me happy. I'm coming from a Sony X90J that I loved but it has light bleed into the black bars that drive me crazy and I wanted to upgrade from 65 inches. I'm just waiting for it to ship! Never ordered a TV off amazon before, so kind of nervous.

[@michalaleskandr3985]

​@@Joshua-xh6bmI'm about to do the same... Amazon will allow you to have it delivered free of cost with prime, and you can return it on the spot after they open it and turn it on with the "home delivery" option or whatever they call it. IF you don't like it... Did you take them up on that?!

[@Monster-Abee]

I've come to trust LG due to the updates to my CX and reliable performance. I got rid of my Sony A80J because I hated Google TV and constant little things going wrong with apps such as losing Atmos on Disney Plus while my LG was working. I bought the C2 65 inch and couldn't be happier. All my TVs have been Sony for the last 30 years. LG is a very good brand imo.

[@AFlyingCookieLOL]

Sony is so much better with overall picture. What you are talking about is a google thing, not limited to Sony TVs

[@ownerr8441]

The only issue I have with the Google TV is that sometimes the apps crash and cause the TV to turn off. I find you have to restart the TV or unplug the power cord from time to time to make the software works well. Also clear the cache too.

[@MrPopo-bd1ix]

@@ownerr8441 The same is recommended in the manual & menu of the LG tv's. I own a G1. Although i haven't had that problem prob. because LG automatically does all that while it's off & plugged-in.

[@ownerr8441]

@Mr. Popo I think Samsung recommends that too, but like any device, that's the recommendation. With Sony, I know that happens. I have never experienced that with any Samsung, not saying it doesn't happen. Always pros and cons with all Tv manufacturers.

[@amedmayorga3375]

LG is good but Sony is king. I thought of saving an extra bucks buying the lg c2 but Sony are the best in the business when it comes to TV's

[@N0N0111]

I miss the PC desktop use when you are comparing it to the C2. The C2 and C1 42"/48" are used by many as PC desktop.

[@soulhunter6.6.6]

I have bought the Sony A90J and i love it.

[@adangames2505]

I just went with the 77 a80k open box at BB because it was $1450. No brainer. TV has amazing picture. Upscaling is awesome as well. That’s a big plus when watching KZbin TV.

[@tiller2473]

I came from a Sony x950g, and upgraded to C2. After two weeks though, I really missed the sony processing, especially for cable sports and retro gaming. Swapped out the C2 for the A80k at basically the same price and I couldn't be happier. C2 had better gaming features for sure, but as a casual gamer I'm ok with missing out on a few features, especially since most games I play are max 4k 60 fps

[@george-christiansandor326]

I'm between C2/G2 and this model also, can you tell me which one is better in terms of picture quality, I understand that Sony is better at this point? Also, this Sony won't render 4k@120? Or why is better LG at gaming? I'm a casual gamer also.. only playing a few titles on PS4 and future PS5.

[@tiller2473]

@@george-christiansandor326 G2 is Lg's flagship model, so I'm not too sure how it compares to A80k. But between C2 and A80k, the picture quality was noticeable for upscaling and motion. For actual 4k content, I don't remmember any big differences at all. As far as gaming, the sony does everything the LG does except for dolby vision at 4k 120 hz. You'll still get 4k 120hz, but no dolby vison on the sony. Plus, limited to just 2 hdmi 2.1 ports on the sony, which isn't a big deal to me

[@george-christiansandor326]

@@tiller2473 Thanks you very much for your response. I think I will go with G2 because the price difference is not that much. Cheers!

[@peopleperson7263]

I want the c2 because it’s brighter - do you think the processor on Sony makes up for being dimmer and is still better with hdr pop?

[@MrPopo-bd1ix]

@@george-christiansandor326 Great choice, I have the G1 OpenBox and it's way better than the C1. It sounds like you're a hardcore gamer/sports-watcher. The Sony equivalent to the G2 is the A95K but I don't know how it compares in price. It also depends on what size you're getting. LG's are better for 77" and above. The G2 is beautiful to look at when turned-off with that grey-crisp gallery frame! I wish the competition did that! Personally I'm more of a movie/show watcher so Sony OLED is my cup of tea.

[@melabshier5812]

Just bought the A80K. Don't use it for gaming. Maybe a video on just how to set it up out of the box without full calibration would help us. Not all of us are so particular about trying for perfection but do want the best performance as possible.

[@hayax]

Getting the best consumer equipment available for watching and playing media accurately to creator intent is the whole point of this channel. It’s why he compares TVs to reference monitors

[@melabshier5812]

@@hayax That's nice. So there isn't a brand out there with an out of the box tv that is equal to reference monitors. I think we get that. How many people will pay for calibration who buy a new tv. I'd estimate less than 1 % worldwide. What about the other 99%? Just a simple video that explains how to get the best out of your new tv picture and audio wise. Something simple and basic. Then for the geeks out there, have something more detailed and specific. Just a thought.

[@MrPopo-bd1ix]

Um, "creators intent" implies movie/cable watching experience. Not everybody uses their tv for movies, some use them for SPORTS, gaming, and/or pc monitor, too.

[@is5032]

Thanks Vincent, I returned my Samsung S95B due to a warped panel and overly luminescence, unrealistic colours as well as buggy software and bought a 65 inch Sony A84k (same as the a80k but with a premium backlit remote and built in microphone). I agree it’s not as bright as I’d like but the build quality of the case, stand, and software is a different league to the Samsung. The colours are far more representative of real life too. The Google software seems more reliable too. Overall I much prefer it to the Samsung Q95B. I hope the brightness can be turned up by a software update as that’s the only criticism I have of it.

[@tac6044]

If you feel HDR/DV is lacking in brightness bump gamma from 0 to 1. It makes a tremendous difference. I almost think Sony is using additional processing with the gamma because bumping it up doesn't wash out the image at all like one would expect. What you get is a substantially brighter image and brighter more vibrant colors. You will no longer feel disappointed in the brightness and you aren't sacrificing much accuracy. It looks amazing.

[@pioneer7777777]

I was also bummed by the brightness on my set until I realized that standard and vivid modes both boost the brightness, particularly vivid. Once I dialed back the colors a bit, vivid was good for bright, non critical viewing (animated movies with lights turned on, KZbin videos, sports etc).

[@Q_QQ_Q]

yes sony is best

[@Dragontron20]

My A80K came with a backlit remote (really cool remote).

[@scottwallace1]

@@tac6044 Sony is doing weird things with gamma with both their current generation flat panels and projectors. Astute observation..

[@trevhib]

Feel like Sony missed a trick this year, there's too much of a gap in their range for large lounge TV use between the A80K non-heatsink WOLED and the master series A95K heatsink QD OLED. There needed to be a more affordable 65" A90K heatsink WOLED IMO. I mean the A80K 620nit peak and 130 nit full field is bottom of the 2022 class and worse than many 2021 models.

[@alexroot1980]

Even worse than my Panasonic gz1000 (year 2019), which is 738 nits (peak) and 150 (full window).

[@matsudakodo]

Maybe, but I watched Maverick tonight on my A80K and at no time did I stop and think "I wish it was brighter". It looked perfect to me.

[@trevhib]

@@matsudakodo You don't miss what you never had I guess. If the extra nits were worthless, manufacturers wouldn't bother adding them and reviewers wouldn't be able to see the difference. I'm sure the A80K is a fantastic TV. Just our own personal experience: my dad was so unimpressed with how dull the A80J was for his fairly bright living room last year that he immediately sent it back (and got a QLED, urgh). Some people really want a beautiful OLED but really need them to be brighter for their situation and top of the range models are now getting there. There's no excuse for Sony now that the others are demonstrating that it's possible.

[@matsudakodo]

@@trevhib well I don't use the set in a bright room and with HDR it gets plenty bright. In fact white text on a dark background is hard to look at. Maverick in 4K HDR looked like daylight. Plenty for me.

[@trevhib]

@@matsudakodo Not everything is about you and your life, Eric. My comments are simply not related to your use case or your personal preferences.

[@rockyyz89]

Just bought a a75k because it has all the audio decoders and av analog in, couldnt be happier with it!

[@SuperDonil]

hi a75k no reviews at all should i buy a75k or lg a2??????

[@weekileaks23]

I have the 77” inch A80k. I would love a little more HDR pop but otherwise it’s a great tv. I still can’t figure out if I should run gamma at -2 or 0? The Sony just looks so similar to a movie theater when I get back from a movie. The Samsung and LG look great but artificial if that makes sense?

[@summerforever6736]

Im waiting for the price to drop

[@TheBucketOfTruth]

Did you tweak the colors at all? I think otherwise Sony typically has better out of the box calibration than other brands, so the baseline is more accurate and has a better "look" to it.

[@weekileaks23]

@@TheBucketOfTruth the expert 1 is very close once you get some hours on tv. Mine got noticeably brighter and warmer as I’ve had it. It was very blue green but now stock expert 1 seems great. I’ll be honest I didn’t believe the whole 100 hours thing at all but it’s definitely a “thing”

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

@@weekileaks23 The panel is organic. Of course it makes sense to run it for at least 150 hours before calibrating it.

[@bb2status]

I like to use 0 gamma for hdr content and -2 gamma for non hdr. You should also only use -2 gamma if you can control the light in your room. It will make the picture dimmer but give better perceived contrast.

[@nathangoddard8115]

In Canada the C2 is generally $250 cheaper than the Sony. Given that, the LG C2 provides better value for my needs. Thank you.

[@S.L.S-407]

Let's put it this way, if you can't tell which tv is better by watching it, then don't waste your time with the details. Pick the one YOU like the best !

[@MrPopo-bd1ix]

And for YOUR needs, lol.😆🤣

[@MrSatyre1]

LG has always seemed to be just a hair behind Sony when it comes to processing IMO. Sony just looks deeper and more natural. Also, LG's GUI drives me crazy, so even though Sony's isn't perfect, I definitely prefer theirs. I never actually use built-in streaming apps, and prefer instead to use my displays as monitors only.

[@filippkhan3935]

I definitely prefer build in streaming apps now, especially since they don't really lag anymore on modern TVs.

[@andys1548]

I own the C2 and 100% agree. I prefer picture quality on Sony’s much more. I do 60% gaming and 40% watching tv, so C2 was no brainer due to 4 2.1 ports rather than 2 on the Sony

[@hideff4982]

What's the problem with LG GUI? I don't get it. Once you know where everything is, it is no problem anymore. And LG is the only one afaik which offers programmable shortcuts on the remote for apps and even settings. Blows my mind that this is not standard on every freaking TV. Also don't forget to LONG press settings button or exit button.

[@walidhannaoui1802]

@@hideff4982 LG magic wand remote remains undefeated for me lol

[@callouu3601]

@@andys1548 I don’t understand this, do you need 4 ports? There is PS5 and Xbox SX. Do you have both consoles with a PC plugged it all at the same time for gaming?

[@randallsmith2521]

So like I always point out to my customers, Sony TVs are good a being TVs, and okay at gaming. LC TVs are good at gaming, and okay at being TVs. They each play to different strengths, and quite frankly different design philosophies.

[@dylan-nguyen]

Damn. These were the same price last week. I went with the LG in the end because of the hdmi 2.1 ports.

[@RobertK1993]

A80K has HDMI 2.1 ports 2 fully bandwidth 48Gbps Vs LG 4 40Gbps

[@dylan-nguyen]

@@RobertK1993lg has 4x 48gbps with Dolby Vision and VRR support at the same time and 4:4:4 chroma

[@BEEFTEEF4]

These comments are a chore! I’m about 5 months into an A80J because I equally watch movies, play PS5, and the live my life. I’m loving the set and I’ve tuned it to the moon. But guess what… you drop a C1 off at my house and I’m going to tune it to the moon as well and love it. These OLEDS are all very fun to work with.

[@yellowmonkey6539]

can't wait to see what we get in 2023 especially with the qd oleds

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

CES 2023 is around the corner. 😎👍

[@FEWGEE1]

Until Samsung add Dolby Vision support to their sets, I'm not interested.

[@RobertK1993]

@@FEWGEE1 QD OLED panels are being sold to Sony Electronics this year like last year possible Panasonic and other brands.

[@deantsar6246]

I will tell you what you will get. Not much better, for a whole lot more money. That’s the way this game works. Pay a premium because its new, where it’s predecessor is a lot cheaper.

[@DiiGiiTAL]

Slightly odd to use the 48" vs 65", no?

[@mserlin]

Just replaced my folks severely burned in 55" lg e7 for this 65" Sony. It's wall mounted and they don't want a sound bar so I sacrificed that peak brightness I could have had with a C2 and went with the Sony solely for the better sound and I'm super impressed compared to the old lg. I hate losing out on the brightness but oh well

[@TheBucketOfTruth]

You should have gotten in touch with LG. Even years later with burn-in LG replaced my parent's panel. I think they covered the panel cost and my parents just paid labor. It was absolutely trashed from years of CNN and looked good as new afterward.

[@mserlin]

@@TheBucketOfTruth thanks I'll look into it

[@mserlin]

@@TheBucketOfTruth yep CNN was the culprit on theirs too

[@peopleperson7263]

How dim is it ?

[@RobertK1993]

A80K looks better not slightly a lot better.

[@hideff4982]

Vincent, is VRR-flickering on OLEDs a part of panel lottery? On my 77C2 it is more noticable than on my 48C1, 55A80J and 65C9.

[@AFlyingCookieLOL]

I have the same experience as well, with the 65" a80J not having that issue while the C2 does =/ All updated too

[@hideff4982]

@@AFlyingCookieLOL My 55A80J has the least amount of VRR-flickering. Very odd. I wonder why there is even such a variance.

[@alexroot1980]

For me the only choice is and will be only oled Panasonic. The only one decent out of the box. Here in Italy I don't know any professional calibrator, like you, unfortunately...

[@DownTemp0]

So should I return the recently purchased 77" LG C2 and get the 77" Sony A80K?

[@Djuntas]

I like Web os, hear ppl complain about Tyson slot on Samsung tvs

[@samlee6942]

Absolutely not. I have the lg g2 and a80k. I like the g2 better but both are very similar. Keep your c2.

[@gbej1]

In my opinion, it depends on what you mostly use your TV for, I have the Sony and the LG and I noted the LG was a little brighter. However, watching movies, regular TV, football, Disney Plus, Netflix films, Amazon Prime shows, KZbin and overall sound quality the Sony is significantly better than the LG and compensates for the slightly dimmer images which I am now used to. I don’t game at all but gamers have a preference for the LG since it has more facilities for this purpose.

[@samlee6942]

@@gbej1 I disagree. Sony isn’t significantly better (a80j vs c2). I have an A90J, a G2 and C2. The G2 and a90j are extremely similar when dialed into their own settings. The C2 is a nudge behind the G2 but not by much at all. Just my opinion. There are things I just like about the c2 better than the a90j. But that’s just me.

[@hideff4982]

@@tazfas Same goes for Sony fanboys or any fanboy. I have the A80J, C1, C2 and yeah I like the A80J, but calling the differences significant is just pure noob talk.

[@Skynet_11]

LG for me all the way. It is tried and true and cheaper.

[@Trojan0304]

Got LG 55 C1 on sale for my XboxX & KZbin. Very happy for this purpose. Watch movies on 120” screen , JVC 4K projector in bat cave. Waiting for future micro led at reasonable price for a wall viewing. This channel is my go to info site. Happy New Year Vinnie🎉

[@alexatkin]

I just wish they would fix the dimming issue on the C1, I don't remember the C8 having the same problem of long dark scenes fading to oblivion. Its frustrating that 99% of time I love the TV, but every once in a while that problem manifests and it can be a real problem.

[@Ghostlynotme445]

Did you got the c1 on Amazon?

[@Trojan0304]

@@Ghostlynotme445 yes, last June under $1099

[@carlitosgomez71]

A 4K projector is not exactly cheap either

[@MrPopo-bd1ix]

@@Trojan0304 That must've been for a Refurbished or Used one, correct? I got the G1 same time for $1300 Open Box at BestBuy while having their TotalTechSupport!

[@Happycappy91]

I manage to get an Lg b2 in a dark room and I love my tv.

[@johnzografinis8921]

Just got Sony A75K tv. I don't complain it is an awesome TV. I took it 1000 €.

[@Ghostlynotme445]

Is a75k a 8k variant of a80k?

[@johnzografinis8921]

@@Ghostlynotme445 yes it is . The only difference is that it has less quality sound if i am not mistaken , which it doesn't bother me much.

[@marselluswallace8129]

Hey Vincent 👋 Thanks for your work in the last years! I wish you a happy new year and stay healthy 🥳

[@Radders1433]

Please do a basic video on what all these technical terms mean.

[@peopleperson7263]

Question I hope someone can answer - I have a ps5 and know that only Sony TVs work with the PS “tone mapping” feature. I also know that the LGc2 allow for 4K + 120hz + Dolby Vision all at once. Whereas the sony drops to 60hz when 4K and Dolby are enabled. My question is this - does the sony a80j/k work at 120hz and 4K with the special sony PlayStation tone mapping enables ? Or does it also drop to 60hz with the mapping ? Thank you in advance

[@reviewforthetube6485]

Idk tbh the brightness didn't bother me or anyone else I know. It's one of thode sony tvs that was brighter then its measurements may lead you to believe. It's one of those that is bright where it needs to be as he showed next to the c2 it actually looked a bit better. As he showed the a80k would sometimes clip due to its tone mapping meaning it was a bit brighter but would lose detail. All the people in the comments seem to have taken what Vincent said wrong. As he showed next to the c2 it was as bright but just would clip sometimes. As I said it really does get bright where it needs to in highlights. You could clearly see it was brighter then the c2 in many ways. Sony has always chosen brightness Over detail in some bright areas for impact as explained many times by Vincent. But they do have a nice relaxed approach in alot of situations. Doesn't need to be super bright all the time. Let me just say this I liked the a80k as much as my a90j lol. Also think about this the a80k was 78% bt2020 the a90j is only 72%. And yes imo the color was noticeable. The a80k also had good depth. So just saying if you want a good sony TV for a better price go for the a80k you won't regret it! I've got to say the one thing that's improved in 2022 wrgb oled tvs is color volume. It's actually noticeable also imo.

[@MasterTony21i]

Bro I have an 83 inch a90j and I love that thing. I’m deciding between the a80k and the c2… I believe I am going with the a80k because Sony seems to nail colors that I prefer better than the LG. Funny enough I use a Samsung s95b for gaming. For movies that tv sucks. For gaming it’s glorious. Lol.

[@amitavraja3385]

The HDR APL seems to be brighter on the Sony than C2, as mentioned by Vincent. Though it has lower peak brightness; the Sony sometimes can be brighter. It's not always about peak brightness.

[@tomwells8093]

That's usually how its been for a few years. LG has higher peak brightness for small highlights. But bigger percentage windows will be slightly better on the Sony. Not always showing up with test patterns, although in actual content you can see it. Which says LG might be cheating a bit with that

[@AFlyingCookieLOL]

@@tomwells8093 This^

[@MrPopo-bd1ix]

Depends on what you watch with it.

[@Asimpleknight]

Panasonic and Sony are above all other brands.

[@jameswatson5807]

That is bullshit and you know, non of these jokes are near LG

[@hastensavoir7782]

Which do you slightly prefer?

[@MrPopo-bd1ix]

​@@hastensavoir7782Panasonic gives you more. E.g.They also provide HDR10+ support and better gaming options.

[@yusakufudo367]

Not Panasonic my friend, cheers

[@bladerunner12]

Interesting unintentional motion comparison at 3:30 of the guy bringing the phone down from his face. At full speed the LG exhibits what looks like ghosting on the phone antenna causing a "double-vision effect" where the Sony's motion blur looks much more cinematographically normal. Going frame-by-frame, it's clear that the motion is much nicer on the Sony in this shot.

[@TomasSandven]

"Accurate colors, after calibration" I'm curious how this helps viewers at all. If the TV ships non-calibrated, doesn't that just mean the colors are *not good*? Is a home user expected to calibrate their own monitor? Can that even be done without expensive equipment?

[@hideff4982]

No it can't be done without proper equipment. I don't know why Vincent does not show us the pre calibration OOTB values in the most accurate picture mode. The vast majority of his viewers do not calibrate.

[@dougnykel7693]

Here’s a big, big question !!!, since Sony uses, LG Oled panels in their TV’s, will they use the new micro lens panels in their cheaper Oled’s such as the A80 panel ?????

[@der_dude1425]

6:44 Wait so VRR massively increases input lag even when the game runs at a locked framerate?! Is that also the case with other OELDs?

[@xbone8950]

Happy new years Vincent, and everyone in the comments

[@Adrianek81]

Happy New Year to all of you🍾

[@MertDag-p6k]

Should I be careful with the TV getting Sunlight on its screen? Thanks for answering.

[@03chrisv]

The A80J is only $999 for 55 inch size or $1399 for the 65 inch at Best Buy. I would get that over the A80k since they're essentially identical in most metrics while being 25% cheaper.

[@hondo164]

A80J is a better TV

[@sneakygirl777]

The 65 has been unavailable in my area for months, where are you located

[@drunkhusband6257]

@@hondo164 The A80k is brighter slightly, has better color volume, and higher details

[@hondo164]

@@drunkhusband6257 .....keep kidding yourself..good name though

[@drunkhusband6257]

@@hondo164 I doubt you have seen them together so stop commenting.

[@Wobbothe3rd]

Sony's achillies heel has always been VRR and latency in general as far as I'm aware. I love gaming on my LG mainly because the responsiveness and frame times are as good as a gsync monitor

[@CH-bn7qb]

The VRR on Sony OLED TVs are better than LG with no near black flicker and 120HZ Input lag is 8ms it’s nothing you would notice it’s on the Sony LED and LCD TVs where VRR sucks because you can’t use local dimming with VRR enabled and it half’s the resolution

[@hideff4982]

@@CH-bn7qb Sony OLEDs can also show VRR-flickering. Haven't you watched the video? There is still no solution for this issue on any OLED. But it is also part of a panel lottery I just experienced. Sony should fix their ASBL dimming in games with static elements, at least if they don't give us the option to disable ASBL/logo dimming.

[@itsjase92]

@@CH-bn7qb Sonys actually do have local dimming with VRR now, was added in an update. Think they are one of the only companies that actually do.

[@CH-bn7qb]

@@itsjase92 is it full 4K or Half resolution with local dimming

[@itsjase92]

@@CH-bn7qb 4K on my TV which is the X90J, I think it was the earlier models like the x900h that had the half resolution 120hz

[@jammesvqk857]

The question is the 65" Sony A84K, lg c2 65" or the 55" Sony A90J. They are at similar price in the UK about 1600 pounds. It is a hard call to be honest.

[@SaltyPenguin255]

What do you suggest between the X95K and A80K? In a room with mild sunshine during the day

[@thomasconway95]

I really can't decide between the A80K and C2. The C2 is a better all rounder, better user experience and usually better value, but the A80K just has that Sony magic. Acoustic Surface audio is enough to win me over.

[@TheBucketOfTruth]

If you care this much for picture you should also care about sound. In which case you will have separate speakers and not be simply using the speakers on the TV itself. Sony is great for people like that who don't care, but if you care about sound then avoid the gimmick and get the LG. And I say this as an owner of an A90J.

[@thomasconway95]

@@TheBucketOfTruth I think it's a little unfair to call Acoustic Surface a gimmick! Many buyers have said it beats a mid-range soundbar. This is important when considering the overall integration of picture/audio, available space and cost.

[@TheBucketOfTruth]

@@thomasconway95 I'm not saying it's not a fun innovation for people who want some audio and a small form factor, but it's irrelevant for anyone who truly values audio as they will have a separate system. Not everyone can afford or cares about freestanding speakers, however.

[@gonlyhlpz]

C2 is a better option overall

[@IB1GMANI]

I think both tv are good the c2 has the game optimizer on it tho the Sony is a great tv to I think you will be happy with which ever one you get I have the a90k for gaming I will use until the 8 k starts to be utilized in more stuff and then I’ll buy a new 8k tv which ever one at the tv is the best

[@youngbr1120]

Purchased the 77 inch A80K 7 months ago, I would love to have it calibrated in the states (in Florida) to take full advantage of the unit.

[@michaelfoster3441]

Vincent can you do video of the Panasonic LZ2000 versus the s95b , when I walk into the store I was shocked how much better the LZ2000 was than s95b , walk out of the store with it .

[@hiredgunsg6178]

I currently use the 42" LG C2 along with my Xbox Series X. My question is, does VRR offer a benefit in games I play? Most of the time, I play competitive games.

[@RogerCold009]

In every game you will have a benefit, but in competitive games you will have an even bigger benefit since there is no cutting of the image

[@GraveUypo]

yes. gameplay will be smoother whenever the frame rate isn't locked to the cap, which is quite often. also it eliminates screen tearing. the only downside is that in very dark scenes there might be some vvr flicker. that doesn't always shows its ugly face but when it does it's a bit annoying.

[@AP-hn8wd]

Size aside, is the A90K better than the A80K picture quality wise and everything else?

[@YouKnowWho2C]

Hi, when reviewing or testing Sony tvs, have you ever come across a noise from the power pack that changes in pitch depending on how bright or dark the content you're watching is?? I've the Xr-65a84L on the noise it driving me crazy! I'm now on my 3rd replacement, and all 4 Xr-65a84L tv have the same issue... Sony are now going to swap out the power pack for a better one apparently... have you come across this problem? I'm about to wash my hand of Sony! Thanks. Love your videos.

[@revotuberacer]

Master, thanks for your effort. Price being the same for both 77” A80K and C2, which one would you choose? That’s all I need to ask!

[@tears2040]

Both are excellent tvs, based on my experience I would choose Sony. After you adjust settings it gets plenty bright and what I’m more impressed with is the quality of the image, simply amazing!

[@is5032]

Did we answer the question in the opening frame of the video? I.e better than an LG C2? I’ve seen the whole Sony A80k video and although I see it’s a recommended TV I’m unsure which one you prefer Vincent?

[@adampereira666]

The LG - that got a “Highly Recommended” award.

[@is5032]

@@adampereira666 Hi Adam, they have one of those to the Sony too!

[@WanderFeetChronicles]

Hey HDTV test crew: do you have a video for setup of this tv for best picture across things like 4k UHD, streaming and of course gaming?

[@Jackruby22]

I was surprised the A80k doesn’t have heatsink. The 65” is currently going cheaper than the 2021 50” A80j 😮 why’s that?

[@badman5356]

Do you think Sony A80L will get heatsink?

[@RobertK1993]

Probably A90L will and A95L along with 4 HDMI 2.1 ports. A70L have no heatsink and older XR Processor

[@Zockosaurus87]

The ABL in game mode should be addressed. This ruins the great picture of my 77A80J (EVO panel from G1) from 2021. The LG C1 does NOT have this problem. I would be interested to know how this behaves with the A80K.

[@GLRYB2GD]

I have the A80K and I use the TV on the most minimal brightness I can get it to go, so the brightness/dimming issue doesn't bother me. Yeah, I'm weird.

[@robertbopko]

You mean ASBL?

[@rych_almond]

Thanks for this great review! I was wondering why the A80K does not even come close to the peak brightness levels of the C2 when the same Evo Ex Panel is used. I bought the A80K six weeks ago and was really disappointed about the brightness levels. So I had it calibrated last week to get better performance. The technician said, that based on the low peak brightness and the after glowing that the panel shows (also shown in this review), it must be the older WBC Panel and definately not the newer EX Panel. So is there any official information or proof which panel is used in the A80K? Greets

[@drunkhusband6257]

The A80k is brighter than the C2, having seen both side by side at max luminance.

[@rych_almond]

@@drunkhusband6257 You are pretty much the first one claiming that. no measurement, and i've read a lot of reviews , is actually showning that. including this very review here

[@drunkhusband6257]

@@rych_almond Yeah amazing it's called going into a store and actually seeing it for yourself...what an amazing concept.

[@rych_almond]

@@drunkhusband6257 you are right.thats true and pretty much the only thing that matters. when it looks good for you what does it even matter whats under the hood

[@Brytech1216]

@@drunkhusband6257 it’s not my c1 is brighter than the a80k I just returned it because of this

[@mikeswanson9800]

Thx Vincent for your Work!

[@dannyumana143]

So which is best Sony A80L or LG C3? Looking at both and going to use as home theater paired with Appletv 4k and sonos atmos speakers.

[@thiennguyen9747]

I have a question: If we were to have all the test under “netflix quality video” Would the test still be critically true? Or it is going to be MASS different? This is because most people would only use netflix to consume media on these panels and gaming!!

[@redrock425]

In that case a cheaper TV would make sense. I bought mine A80J for films and try to watch in blu-ray or 4K quality. Sony Bravia Core is also very high quality.

[@thiennguyen9747]

@@redrock425 i grew up with sony TVs, i am very certain that Sony is the best in term of "colorings"', but as my dad bought the 2018 LG OLED G series, i knew the OLED contrast made the panel easily the best in the market, the total blackness is something special, but in the end of the day, SONY still has the best "colorings" to my eyes, LG is not even close in that category to me, it just felt like the DIRECTION of SONY TV is reliving the reality in the most beautiful colorful artistry way. it gives me the feeling that SONY engineers have a clear direction to innovate. Hence their coloring quality is the best for me. but now as STREAMING and decompressing videos is the mainline, and how they produce the videos/movies, its all confusing to me.

[@MrPopo-bd1ix]

For Netflix, LG would win since Sony has had a history of problems with Dolby Vision that Netflix uses. But LG doesn't support DTS audio passthrough so unless you have soundbar/receiver with enough 2.1 passthrough ports e.g. a Nakamichi,...

[@revotuberacer]

Wonderful review! But what about the dimming while playing video games? I’ve seen several reviewers talking about this issue where the A80K dims down in game play.

[@tears2040]

I’ve been playing GTAV, Red Dead and several other titles and I have not noticed any glaring dimming issues if any. Maybe it’s being done extremely gradual that I cannot tell, but 100% this is not an issue at all. I own a Samsung 8K 85” tv as well and on my newly bought 77” A80K the picture looks amazing.

[@rkgsd]

Watching this on my amazing-looking LG B2.

[@revotuberacer]

Ok, either I missed it or I didn’t understand the conclusion on this video. Which one did Vincent prefer, the A80K or the C2? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@BLITZRAZOR01X]

How are the TPC and GSR on this TV? Do they still cause dimming in dark scenes and while gaming with lots of static HUD elements?

[@desmo8924]

Can u help me to turn off my sony bravia xr a80j dimming picture? Very annoying and cant do it. I have turned off the light sensor and everything but on ps5 the picture is getting dark and not bright. Thanks

[@therealytshadow1750]

I got a lg b2 and I have no idea how to change the settings on the TV for gaming idk if I have to set the vrr and the 120 mode on the TV or just on the consoles. Is there a video for this

[@heyqt7485]

I'm thinking about getting the 55" Sony a90k or LG C2. I will use them for gaming, but also movies. I am not sure what would be the best choice. Movies and gaming is equally important for me and I will be pairing the TV with my computer to play games and wattch movies through netflix and etc.

[@axt2]

It honestly seems like you can't go wrong with either. There's shades of difference in their advantages. If you can get a good deal on either that would be my deciding factor. Im in the same boat as you. I enjoy movies off my media server and also use my TV as PC monitor. I know I'm a couple months out but I hope you're happy with your choice if you pulled the trigger. What did you get and what did you think?

[@heyqt7485]

Sorry for the late reply. I got the LG Oled C2 65". I got a good deal. I prefer to have my room dark so the lack of peak brightness is not a big annoyance to me. The TV is amazing and I couldn't be happier with my choice. WHen gaming it feels responsive and fast, when watching movies the absolute black level is great. The integrated speakers are good for being TV-speakers (although the bar is set low there). If you do plan to use the integrated speakers I would advice to try the cinema-sound profile. @@axt2 I am planning to have in calibrated in the future and expect it to make a change.

[@DarkCloud360]

The fact that only 2 of the 4 HDMI ports on the Sony are version 2.1 would be reason enough for me to pick the LG

[@TheBucketOfTruth]

All depends on your application. If you're going out to a new receiver then you'd basically only need a single one if the receiver has multiples. Not to defend Sony since I have quite a love hate relationship with my A90J.

[@HiCZoK]

How is the audio? C2 speakers sound very good in cinema mode

[@redrock425]

May sound good in isolation but I wondered why my TV sounded so bad recently. I realised the AVR hadn't kicked in and I was on the TV speakers 😉

[@HiCZoK]

@@redrock425 cinema mode. ai stuff disabled. still pretty good

[@colk41]

Still rocking my 48” c1 as my gaming tv and my 55” a1 for my normal tv watching 👌

[@skyLJH85]

In singapore the Sony A80K is around the same price as the LG G2. so between the 2 which is better

[@fantasytky28]

Off course bravia if you care about image quality

[@rych_almond]

G2 is better. Its the flagship Model of lg and has a Heat sink. A80k does not so g2 gets quiet a bit brighter

[@ulasklc4539]

@@rych_almond the only plus with G2 is the brightness boost and gaming. I compared G2 and a80k side by side, the brightness on the a80k is still more than enough and the proccesing is amazing. The sound on the a80k is also superior. 3 inner and 2 outer speakers.

[@rych_almond]

@@ulasklc4539 Like i said, g2 gets brighter and has better black crush values also. A80k is also a good OLED, But is about 300 Nits less in Peak hdr brightness. Thats what Makes the g2 a better tv. G2 is LG’s 2022 Top Model and its competitor is the Sony A95k qd OLED. Not the mid Range Sony A80k

[@LyannaByron]

What TV do you use daily? Where is a list of TV's you recommend the most? Your website would be great to have that information :) thanks big fan

[@geraldh.8047]

Is the Sony Android TV UI still so incredibly slow these day? I remember not so long ago it was horrible because they used entry level arm chips from the 150$ smartphone class in their 3000$+ TVs to save 10$ in parts cost.

[@ChrisG1392]

My sony XBR900 is agonizingly slow and it's three years newer than my X900C which was really snappy like my new LG CX

[@avenger3g]

The most recent years feel snappier for sure

[@thcode4]

Not on my A80K at all

[@CaliJatt0809]

Clear the cache and get rid of all the ads in the home menu. That should help.

[@RobertK1993]

No since 2017

[@nicolaghinassi1345]

Hi, I would like to buy one between Samsung s95c and Sony a80l 65”. Which one do you recommend between the two?

[@drfresh329]

Just bought new LG 65C2. Screen is great except for 1 dead red pixel. Can that be fixed? Should I return it?

[@ridik4267]

Have you done a set up for Xbox series X with the Lg nanocell 91?

[@drvish]

my 48" OLED CX in eco mode is plenty bright for day-to-day use as a PC monitor. the only time i go full brightness is when i put a movie on in HDR and it's already plenty.

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

Why would you not turn off Eco mode?

[@m.maheswararao3114]

Hii Sir. I want buy 65 inch OLED TV. But I confused. I saw Sony 65 inch oled a80k. And Lg g2 oled TV. Please advice which one I have to buy. Which is better to take. Thank you

[@asdfiekpj]

Watching this cause I just got a C2 that is broken (turns off constantly) so I'm considering the Sony A80K if I have problems with my 2nd C2.

[@heatwaveps5]

should the 3rd hdr settings always be black because my tv is a sony x85j led tv

[@Steve30x]

9:38 I had to buy a new TV a week ago because the Philips 58PUS8545/12 I bought in November last year {2021) failed on me. I could see the backlight but no picture and I was getting sound. The smbilight was showing that when I was moving things around with the direction buttons on the remote that something was happening. I spent about an hour troubleshooting it including plugging every hdmi out of it but I had no go. Anyway I bought a bottom of the barrell LG 50UQ70006LB because it's all I could afford and I have to disable HDR content in apps and in my PHILIPS UB830 because HDR content is much darker than SFR content on the P.O.S. TV. That's with panel brightness and contrast set to 100 in HDR. SDR content is much brighter on my new temporary TV. I'm going to change the TV to a Sony TV in a few months when I can afford it. I won't be buying a flagship but a mid tier TV. Which is why I watched this video.

[@YKM]

Would love to know of a similar calibration collaboration stateside. The closest thing I can think of is geek squad… and no offense to them, but I often know more that they do 😂 I just get so fussy when I do things myself. Always second guessing if it looks right, or sounds right. I drive myself crazy.

[@Whatisthisstupidfinghandle]

Look up ISF and I’m sure you can find a tuner in your area

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

Geek Squad is trash. 😂😂😂

[@YKM]

@@Whatisthisstupidfinghandle thanks!!

[@YKM]

@@PSYCHOV3N0M 😂

[@UGISPRO]

Can you please tell our real thoughts, what technology at the end will win - OLED or LCD I mean mini LCD or extra mini mega small LCD?

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

#1 is currently Micro LED but prices are not at mass consumer levels. #2 is QD-OLED. #3 is WOLED. #4 is Dual layer LED LCD. #5 is Mini LED LCD. #6 is LED LCD. #7 is CRT. Projectors are a whole other category altogether. P.s. There's also other TV's being worked on that use something called Quantum Nanorods.

[@antonioivan7927]

Hello 🙂I just subscribed to your channel, congratulations, I wanted to ask for your expert advice I need to buy a new 65 inch OLED TV which of the following models LG C2, Sony A80j/A80k, Panasonic LZ980, has higher brightness with more colors brilliant ? with three-dimensional and defined images ? which one is also better in upscaling ? thank you very much greetings from Italy🙏🙂

[@naththoau]

My Sony A80K has a lot of problems with flickers. It doesn't matter which setting I use. Even with motion flow off. It's a flawed product, unfortunately. I can't watch at all as it is distracting me from flickers. It's going back and I'm getting flicker free tv such as LG QNED for eg or I can tolerate high frequency pwm such as X90K like my previous old X900H, I can't see flicker at high frequency of 720 per second vs OLED at 166 per second in brightness dip that I can see easily enough.

[@GLRYB2GD]

Idk what ur talkin' about honestly. Haven't had it flicker even once.

[@naththoau]

@@GLRYB2GD Everyone are different some cannot tolerate OLED flicker in brightness dip and low frequency PWM flickers unfortunately. Because their brain and eyes cannot process the timing of flickering properly from tv. So to their eyes they still get bothered by flicker that won't go away on its own at all.The brain needs to adjust to match the tv with the timing of flickers, some can't do it because their eyes and brain is having difficulties with adjustment to match it. There are a lot of reports of problems with flickers that I've researched a lot on it. It's technology is not perfect at all. Most others are fine with it as their eyes and brain automatically adjust to match it and not see any flicker at all.

[@naththoau]

And I find it strange enough I've no problem with Samsung phone with OLED and pwm because I can't see flicker much at all. The difference is huge between tv OLED with brightness dip flickers and phone OLED with pwm flickers. I'm more use to pwm most probably and can tolerate well enough at best.

[@GLRYB2GD]

@@naththoau interesting. Yeah, I haven't noticed flicker so I guess I'm lucky. I also use a Samsung OLED phone and haven't ever noticed it.

[@naththoau]

@@GLRYB2GD Yep thats why you are okay with that is a good thing. Nothing wrong with that. I am just unlucky person though. Thats life.

[@magoo47]

Hi, would it be possible to purchase your calibration settings for say an X95K or C2 or A80K directly from you? (sorry still trying to decide lol)

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

That's not how it works. Every panel is different even from the same TV model.

[@duszekb]

invest in a calibration tool and you can calibrate all of your current and future tvs, much better than your offer imho

[@StationOutlook]

I'm wondering if I should buy this TV for New Gen gaming or wait for the 95L

[@tears2040]

Definitely buy this A80K, amazing looking tv at the best cost/performance currently. A95L will at least cost double

[@rossa360]

Happy new year vince, would you say it's worth changing from a 55 cx to a 55 or 65 C2?

[@milanklco]

I think it is worth upgrade to 65" or even 77" C2 . Dont upgrade 55" to 55" 🙂 preferably 77" due much cleaner near blacks against vertical bandinding, etc.

[@cd-rom.]

Do you sell your calibration settings?

[@josippo]

I think that every review misses to mention the biggest advantage of Sony TVs, you will get for 8 years always the newest software version, the same like the new TVs, on LG you are stuck with the firmware version forever and get just bug fixes. And obviously the apps like Netflix don't make the newest version on old firmwares. (I just changed from 5y old lg oled to new one and all apps looked different), now I consider to bring back my new TV and change it for a Sony as I don't plan to change TV until new ps6 comes out in 6-8 years.

[@hh390]

Is the upscaling on LG significant worse than Sony’s XR processor?

[@fantasytky28]

Not really. It's the Sony which has way better processing

[@nickdavidelijah]

argh i wanted to but your accent is so strong, i feel like i missed a lot of info...did he prefer the sony or lg in the end?

[@gmiblessed]

So let me get this straight, Vincent is recommending the A80K over the C2 despite the significantly worse screen retention? Wouldn’t that mean that the A80K is more susceptible to burn in?