Sony is Killing Helldivers 2

Sony is Killing Helldivers 2
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[@OhDough]

only 69 out of 195 countries allow for a psn account. helldivers was sold in 190 countries and people played from those countries with no issues for months. on june 4th players from all but 69 countries will lose the ability to play helldivers 2 because of sony's greed. For all of those saying to "Just make a PSN account bro." If you've been playing Helldivers 2 and do not live in one of these listed countries you cannot make a PSN account. Choosing a country you do not live in is a violation of Sony's TOS and could lead to account termination. - Pirate Software

[@cephon6198]

I can't even recover my PSN account that I already have because I don't remember what date of birth I used back when I was underage looooool

[@julianmolder8162]

How do you even Link PSN to your Steam?

[@hivecasts]

Country I live in swithed to Euro on 1st of January 2023. Playstation store had our old currency on store 'till 13th of Semptember! That's just one of many issues with Sony

[@Toothless_Cowboy]

I have an old psn account but no way I am connecting it to my steam just to play a game I only have on steam. If they do push this through I'll be done with the game. I mean that is srsly messed up. If it was a sony game made by sony then it might be annoying but okay that's no different then COD nowadays. But to demand ppl sign up so you can collect their data and report them over wrong think?

[@michander4008]

I'll agree that is a problem. I'm sure they'll need to reverse the policy. Sony just has no idea how to handle a game with this many players and this many countries. Some exec was just like, "I can't see my Sony numbers make them join" but didn't actually think about the ramifications of that.

[@chumprock]

While it really means nothing to me in the personal sense, there are so many Helldivers who live in countries that cannot legally get a PSN account. And that there is some real BS, Brother.

[@dragondook]

Citation needed, parrot.

[@DemoDivsion]

@@dragondook Dismiss everything👍

[@ragingmonkey4592]

@@dragondook Watch the video you knob

[@bartjeyeyo]

Who's problem is that?

[@yiayyiay1352]

@@bartjeyeyo Mine, for example, im serbian and PSN does not work in Serbia.

[@davidballantyne4492]

"Hey this goose is lying eggs made of gold... we should cut it open to get more gold out!"

[@thedoomslayer5863]

Literally what tarkov devs did. WHY WOULD YOU SCREW UP YOUR MONEY PRINTER WHYY

[@GrandSupremeDaddyo]

Perfect analogy.

[@GeepeBrow]

It's called greed

[@apersonthatis7007]

Insane how a GOTY sweep turned into a potential flop in the next month, just because of corporate greed. This is why you never partner with major publishers

[@ghostlegacy5701]

I still think helldivers 2 can still be GOTY hopefully that serves the game justice from this greed ass

[@FireCrack]

The good ol' Game of Thrones effect, never forget it can happen

[@thedoomslayer5863]

​@@ghostlegacy5701it won't be. With the nerfs to anything the community begins to like and now this, nope.

[@Lucios1995]

I only thought we'd get a reduction on Super Credit earning like Red Dead Online, which is still awful, obviously

[@PlayfulDoggy]

​@@thedoomslayer5863 comparing game balance to corporate greed is another level of stupidity.

[@EvalithFoG]

What wanting to artificially increase PSN accounts does to a mf

[@HansKlopek]

Nah. It's about speech policing

[@Harvest133]

@@HansKlopek Why not All Of The Above?

[@davidsnow4173]

Is anyone surprised that they're trying to sabotage a game that doesn't rely on micro transactions and actually priorizes the player experience over revenue?

[@Krysnha]

After what they did to stellar blade, no i am not surprise

[@NoName......]

Sony is a primarily single player game maker. Why would they care that is setting a bad "example" for other live service game?

[@Tamachii12]

@@NoName...... They probably want to force people into plus subscriptions in order to play.

[@davidsnow4173]

@NoName...... they published a number of the recent COD games. But more to the point they either want more psn subscriptions or someone in that company wants more microtransactions in future games. I don't believe for a second that this is solely to benefit gamers

[@ssj690]

Is anyone surprised that PC dudes will complain about anything and everything?

[@That_Skeleton1]

Why'd they kill a game for being successful? They WANT games to do well? I'm so lost on the financial benefit to this

[@_crescentmoon_wt]

They get data

[@OhDough]

they want our data so they can go for a data breach world record

[@Winters004]

Shareholders over players. Sony needs to show growth in PSN numbers.

[@That_Skeleton1]

@@OhDough damn, data over dosh. I hope Sony gets sued for stealing or something

[@BARBARBINKLE]

@@Winters004this people complaining about this when almost every big triple A game does this.

[@tippa7328]

Listen, I love Helldivers 2, and I live in a country where I can easily make a PSN account, but by Liberty I will drop this game in an instant just out of sheer principle. Ridiculous.

[@Mazer2721]

Same. I’m just tired of this kind of stuff being considered the normal. After 125 hours, it’s now uninstalled. Even if they reverse this, I’m not reinstalling.

[@itriyum]

Cap Anyone can easily make a PSN account even if their country doesn't support PSN. I have mine set to the US and I live in Mexico

[@Marcus-yn4yh]

Me too

[@Volumbi]

The second Sony finds that out your account is getting suspended. Using VPNs for that is against TOS, that's the issue. ​@@itriyum

[@shadowkhan422]

@@itriyum Im pretty sure its again the Terms of Serrvice... Can you select wrong country (or use VPM) to get around the limitation? Yes Will it get you banned at some point ? Also yes

[@Greycobalt]

Whats with all the corporate bootlickers in the comments, good grief. Imagine seething at the people denouncing anti-consumer practices just because they dont directly affect you. Serf behaviour.

[@flakcannon722]

Corporate owned socal manipulation AI. You think half the comments you read on YT are from real people?

[@thisdude9363]

Villain behavior even. Serfs had rights and legal protections. Villains were literal slaves who were disallowed to ever move higher in society and just dig in the dirt for their overlord, and had to ask permission to do anything other than taking a piss.

[@agitatorjr]

Maybe because all you guys are making a big deal about nothing. You've got to choose your battles. Maybe we just see this is a waste of energy that could be better spent carrying out your revolution elsewhere. To you, if you don't vehemently disagree with every decision a company makes then you are a boot licker. The hyperbole is asinine.

[@andrzejwysocki609]

oh you cant play now cuz youre from a country that cant make a psn? *mouth breathing sony pony noises*

[@agitatorjr]

@@andrzejwysocki609 they've already said they are working on a solution for that.

[@ghouishfouiyshf]

corporate greed strikes again

[@kleindropper]

Sony is going to LOSE money with this decision; its baffling

[@Eneeki]

@@kleindropper They are pushing gamers for not allowing them to make the girl from Stellar Blade ugly. It sounds petty, but this is Sony we are talking about.

[@Thesavagesouls]

greed wouldn't be that bad if at least they were smart about it. They are going to lose money.

[@ssj690]

They charging you to create a PSN account?

[@trime1015]

@@Eneeki This, also probably revenge for not having politics shoved into our faces with this game. Can't have those evil huite supreme pizza gamers have their way now, can we?

[@ImperatorCaiusRoccoCaesar]

For Everyone wanting the most important answer to all this : CM team revealed that the Helldiver IP (game rights and everything related) is actually owned by Sony and NOT ArrowHead, meaning they can, if they want, make every decision possible without consulting AH before, since they own the game rights, licence, etc. Making mandatory to have the PSN account linked is nothing for safety, but just to technically having more people in their system and bump their numbers of players, accounts, data etc. Fun fact : on their own website, Sony actually says that having a PSN account is NOT an obligation to play those games, but they make it an obligation for Helldivers 2 ? Make it make sense

[@Max_Ohm]

They made a deal with the devil

[@GooiYingChyi]

@@Max_Ohm Precisely. The deal that would made them millions, but ultimately lose players (and reputation) in the long run.

[@Ferchovicente]

@@Max_Ohm 🤣🤣🤣 lol so much drama for ppl to create a simple PS account

[@NthnLikeCodeine]

@@Ferchovicente 😭😭😭 couldn’t imaging living life being as brain dead as you bruh

[@NthnLikeCodeine]

@@Ferchovicente 😭😭😭 couldn’t imaging living life being as brain dead as you bruh

[@GooiYingChyi]

Sony wants to farm PC player's data so that they can make more money selling ads. Heck, make it mandatory to link to your Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and KZbin accounts before you can play any Sony game.

[@SuddenFool]

It's the infinite money cheat to life.

[@ArheIy]

Don't give them ideas... They're crazy enough to do it if you wave a few additional bucks before their eyes.

[@gamehero4772]

Microsoft:🌚

[@averyhaferman3474]

How are they going to target your adds if you make a Sony account??? Why the FUCK are you making stuff up?

[@CS-ob7pg]

The only thing you have to provide is your email address

[@munchkingod6]

Real talk: they didn’t expect HD2 to be huge so they didn’t require the account. Now that it’s blown up the corporate greed and entitlement has popped off. If they’d known how big the game was going to get they’d have required it from the beginning. If you always just assume that major corporations are run by undead ghouls who feed on human suffering and then predict their behavior accordingly you’ll usually be right.

[@ValkisCalmor]

You've got it backwards, they required it initially but suspended that requirement when it got super popular because their servers couldn't keep up with all the new players trying to get on HD2. Requiring the link still sucks but this is jot the reason.

[@munchkingod6]

@@ValkisCalmor I don’t think this is Arrowhead. This is bad for them and has no benefit. This is *Sony* and they’re pushing it hard because of the greed. Arrowhead isn’t large enough to be actively evil by institutional nature. It’s still run by human beings.

[@ValkisCalmor]

@@munchkingod6 It is Sony, yes. But regardless, this was briefly required on day 1 and they suspended it because the PSN site was being overrun. I remember getting a bunch of timeouts while trying to recover my old PSN account before I realized the game would just let me in without it.

[@luminousparadox7529]

Yep swap "braaaaaains" for "mooooooooney" and it's spot on 😂😂

[@SarcasticBroth]

Darth Sony: "I have altered the terms of our deal. Pray that I do not alter them further."

[@jeffhunt5964]

Exactly, they've altered the deal, rendering the previous contract with players null and void. Every affected player is indeed entitled to a full refund.

[@michaelnielsen9651]

i will side whit the true dark side now the Hackers not really but F sony for this and i really do hope they get hacked so bad theres no recovery for them ever

[@nope-qi8zx]

@@jeffhunt5964 very, very wrong... A psn account was ALWAYS required. It even said so on the steam page. It's only due to technical issues at launch that they suspended it... There's more than enough proof of people on both reddit and steam arguing about it pre-launch.

[@b1battledroidslivesmatter701]

This deal keeps getting worse all the time

[@masspayne]

@@jeffhunt5964 The thing is they didnt change the deal... It was stated that youd need a PSN account its just it wasnt enforced... If your country says its illegal to jaywalk but nothing happens when you do until one day some cop fines you for doing it you cant really say yeah you changed the rules so i dont want to pay the fine... In this case you can just stop playing the game the refunds should go to ppl from countries where PSN accounts arent allowed

[@Vuntermonkey]

I was in a mission with a random. I accidentally killed him and apologized. He waited until a funny, calm moment and punched me off a cliff. It was completely unexpected but I thought it was hilarious. We spent the rest of the mission sneakily punching each other. I loved it, but I know some people would hate it. Would Sony automatically ban us both? We had fun, even though what we did could easily be seen as "griefing."

[@gabrielmoreno7112]

This here is peak gaming, no toxicity just mostly harmless fun between two players

[@SteveofArms]

Had a moment we were playing tag with melee and accidentally killed each other even. Hope I dont get banned for it if I do it in the future!

[@vergilspardovich5266]

No fun allow here, its SONY psn game now

[@charlestwoo]

this game is based around killing ur team from friendly fire, there's no way any of this banning would apply in this game.

[@D-S-G.]

I accidentally killed someone one game, and I wanted to make it up with a hug at the end. He stared at me, shook his head, and fires an airbrush at his feet deleting both of us. Sacrificing a mission success for a funny laugh is the reason this game is awesome.

[@CrypticBlight]

I play pc for a reason. Steam is a separate platform for a reason. I don’t play console because I built my pc to play higher graphics games and different games they don’t have at all. It’s such a sad waist to see what will happen from all this just because of corporate garbage. Miss the old days of gaming when games were for fun not data and cash grabs.

[@agitatorjr]

Yes, I too loved the days when all games were distributed for free!

[@Harvest133]

@@agitatorjr There's a difference between "I want to make money in order to make games" and "I make games in order to make money."

[@ERMAC_-im8ee]

I'm from Russia.And I can't create a PSN account. I like playing helldivers. I will be very sad if Sony does this. If they do this to the players, I will never buy Sony games again...

[@vergilspardovich5266]

Контора оптимистов в очередной раз показала себя во всей красе

[@ERMAC_-im8ee]

@@vergilspardovich5266 я думаю они знатно нагадят себе.

[@ebatnihuya8375]

Можно выбрать Россию как регион? Не нужен впн?

[@RxBando]

Imagine how Ukraine feels

[@ArheIy]

​@@ebatnihuya8375VPN обязателен, иначе Sony просто пошлют тебя нахрен и скажут "Сервис PSN недоступен в вашей стране".

[@SpaceDwarf45]

Wow, what a way to end that Honey moon phase... GG fellow Helldivers it was a honor o7

[@marktrevino1281]

Where will I spread democracy now?

[@goldnilo1234]

@@marktrevino1281EDF

[@kotzer71]

​@@marktrevino1281time to rock and stone

[@NoNo-xh7ru]

@@kotzer71I had almost forgotten about drg. Might be time to bust out the trusty pickaxe.

[@kotzer71]

@@NoNo-xh7ru new season about to drop as well

[@joshuaplunkett1586]

Damn, SONY is bed with the Automatons having AI read my feelings... LOL, what a joke.

[@side7oldtype298]

"Scenes like this are happening all over the gaming industry, right now! You could be next."

[@ondrejmalek1322]

so some people will just get locked out of the game? fuckign sony

[@graveyardshift6691]

Pretty much. I choose not to because I'm sick of having to make multiple accounts on multiple services just to play my games. I'm fortunate to even HAVE that choice. I'm going to be locked out because of a choice I'm making and that's fine. But some people who don't live in the same country as me? They're going to be locked out WITHOUT having that choice.

[@jeffhunt5964]

@@graveyardshift6691 You should still demand the full refund. They are causing a breach of contract by adding things that didn't exist when you originally purchased the game.

[@riven4121]

@@jeffhunt5964 It did exist. It is right there on the steam page that it requires a PSN account.

[@yoorface4680]

​@@jeffhunt5964 Well, PSN requirements was actually from the start, so in theory nothing was changed.

[@RxBando]

Kinda funny if you really think about it. Sony… helldivers… CANT play? Get it

[@Neocodex]

Last week Arrowhead roasted the Tarkov devs for treating their players like shit....

[@maxeibl2375]

Most likely not Arrowheads folk: This is Sony forcing their hand

[@LeafBlade3436]

its not AH, its Sony

[@Neocodex]

@@maxeibl2375 Obviously. But ultimately they gave Sony the power to take the games away from people who paid for it. I guess if you live in a glass Sony house, they shouldn't throw stones.

[@norbertscheibenreif8336]

It's not AH, it's SNOY

[@wzx6x6z6w]

Aged like milk

[@rudolfskrumins1439]

Btw, there are several EU countries, that are not on that Sony list (i live in one of them).

[@isaac6077]

Seems to be the smaller ones….

[@princelupingamer9395]

Not being able to play the game that you OWN because you don't have a special account that you can't CREATE is the biggest bullshit I've ever seen. Fuck sony.

[@grapie93]

Sony sees the massive player numbers on steam and thinks about padding their shitty PSN user numbers to look better to the investors. If PSN was the requirement from the start, which it was, the game shouldn't be available in those country to begin with. I fucking hate the corporate idiots who can't see past the short term gains and ruin it.

[@mrfixit3666]

It's like allowing someone to get a loan who is illegible for a loan.

[@DarkJuju92]

I submit a refunding request with 200 hours + pf gaming. I know they will not refund me. Now, it's not about winning or loosing, it's about PUNCHING those cheap bastard back.

[@mehcutcheon2401]

This shit is factual actionable fraud, if they don't approve file a lawsuit. Victory is assured. Especially once the EU starts throwing hands. Selling a game Knowing it would be unusable to the customer Is Fraud. Time to start pressing these criminals.

[@rileyleal]

maybe if enough of us do, they'll start issuing refunds, even sony (ironic) issued refunds for cyberpunk after it became enough of an issue

[@Rasingard]

@@rileyleal I'm in!

[@Gemma_626]

What are you requesting a refund for? You do not own the game, so curious.

[@sunbreakerqueenofbronze621]

@@Gemma_626if you buy a game, you own it.

[@25xxfrostxx]

My negative review has 416.7 hours at the time of review which was also the time of uninstall. This is not a coincidence that it came right after the patent for their biometric reading AI bully hunter program. I'm done trying to enjoy the game in spite of the developers and publisher. I got my moneys worth and I'm fine with moving on.

[@NPC-30]

"I'll still play it" That's the problem right there.

[@keltonschleyer6367]

Yeah he kind of shot himself in the foot there.

[@kielbasamage]

“Yeah I will continue to reward their bad behavior and my criticism means nothing compared to the payment, dlc, data and exposure I’m giving them.” Oh yeah, that’s how you get a bean counter to notice something is up. By not messing with his beans…

[@utubby3730]

Yeah I stopped watching right there. I mean, even pretend for a minute like you’re struggling with the dilemma.

[@jasey844]

Playing and covering it...

[@malguskerensky]

While this came down from Sony, Arrowhead really looks bad to the Steam players now. More so after the CEO's (in)famous reply about how AH and not Sony has control over Hell Divers 2. Shame as it was going really well there for a few months, ignoring the (game) bugs.

[@scehr]

100%

[@larsoftheredhotlovers6220]

Well what exactly do you want him to do? I don't see what is so infamous about a reply that is literally the truth! If AH break with SONY, the servers are pulled and the game dies.

[@4000ThousandSmiley]

That's a weird thing to say since Sony literally owns the Helldivers IP so Sony can do what they want with Helldivers and has the majority power to do it unless they made some kind of agreement which is impossible since Sony would still have a major say being the owner of the IP .-.

[@Paradox1012]

​​@@4000ThousandSmiley it's weird. Sony hired arrowhead in 2014 to make helldivers, and SIGNED a very specefic contract about the helldivers ip in where arrowhead gets to make all creative decisions and changes to said IP. This is a server thing, which is the one thing Sony provides as part of the deal, so its under thier power.

[@decimatedbody4122]

Dropped this game a month ago from their shitty updates making the game unplayable. Now seeing it requires a pan account I'm gonna try to get a refund. AH and Sony failed this game tbh

[@cold_ultra]

Didnt they had like tons of data breches also? People saying this is just crying and whining are just naive, classic consoomer behavior.

[@OhDough]

yup

[@kielbasamage]

I remember psn having a data breach almost a decade ago… man, time flies but everything’s the same.

[@foogoowoman9523]

massive leaks like every two years, yeah

[@nfsfanAndrew]

​@@kielbasamagethey had one literally this year. Lol

[@onepointsix3684]

Conspiracy: these data breaches are staged so they can sell data to whoever they want

[@Smaxx]

Even after 14 days/2 hours you can refund a game on Steam using the very same mechanism. You just have to explain why you still demand a refund and if it's plausible/understandable, they often do indeed grant the request. Like in this case, if you live in a country PSN doesn't support, you're very likely to get a refund IMO.

[@gogeta667]

I tried to refund Star Wars Battlefront Classic because their Splitscreen functionality has been broken since launch. I played for about three hours one day trying to get it to work via Remote Play. They denied my refund. GL getting refunds.

[@angryman2406]

We really and honestly are not allowed to have anything nice.

[@NovaAlcor]

I hope other companies are watching and think twice about working with Sony.

[@CharlesUrban]

Go indie or don't go at all.

[@cheif1776]

Hello Games and CDProjektRed have already been made examples of sony's greed. Devs aren't going to learn to not make deals with em

[@USMCRabbit]

Further proof that HD2 will never come to Xbox T.T

[@nn98b64]

On the other hand thank fuck I didn't buy this on my PC as a Xbox guy. Not gonna bother making a account for a console I don't even own LMAOOOO.

[@ehsannadeem3970]

@@nn98b64it would have been fun to play with you but glad you didn’t buy it.

[@FEDD]

Still waiting for HD1 to come on XBOX 😅. Never gonna happen unfortunately

[@eugeneastroner242]

Giant international company tries not to eat sht: impossible.

[@Nastranai]

Sony pretty much voided the requirement to have a PSN account linked by putting in a 'skip' button that you only need to press once when you first launch the Steam version. Also, Steam's equally at fault here, the blurbs warning players that the game itself will require a third party account are placed below the buy button and require the user to actively scroll down and hunt them down and there is no warning shown during the buy process for the game that it will require a third party account. Steam really needs to place those warnings front and center above the buy buttons to ensure that their user base sees them before they buy into the game.

[@destoc5661]

RIP. 30th-May last dive.

[@euphrates5625]

unlucky imma keep divin

[@Slysheen]

I still dive, it's just back to "Deep" again.

[@thatcrystalpie]

@@Slysheenrock and stone??

[@cuckycuckcuck7431]

​@@Slysheen Rock and Stone!

[@IRMentat]

@@thatcrystalpie Rock AND Stone!

[@humaninthemaking9024]

Sony on a destroy games speedrun

[@ernestgibson8792]

what emotions are they gonna read for automated bans? in a game where team killing is a feature we all get upset with a random some time.

[@benjamintan6750]

😂 what emotions are they gonna read from my resting bch face

[@isaac6077]

@@benjamintan6750they gonna ban u on your first mission

[@NthnLikeCodeine]

Sony is second only to Nintendo when it comes to making the absolute worst, most absurd and greediest decisions in the gaming industry. Even EA is jealous.

[@novamagician2425]

So can i refund this game through steam since i cant play it anymore?

[@NickStashkinov]

Technically yeah, i think Steam allows refunds of games that revoke your access if you do not create a third party account, in this case, create and link PSN account. Though i dont think it can be done through automated refunds system but rather through steam support.

[@xyrkzes]

Only if you’ve played for less than 2 hours unfortunately.

[@NickStashkinov]

@@xyrkzes yeah. I know it's not relevant to the topic but i was able to refund Cyberpunk 2077 after 8 hours of playtime by sending screenshots of it literally crashing my whole pc and restarting it to Steam Support. So maybe if we find a correct rule about access to games it can be done but it's highly unlikely. Let's wait and see if Pirate Software gets his refund

[@TacynMegan]

Game is available to you , for now So no But eventually , possibly yes

[@25xxfrostxx]

I was denied a refund due to more than two hours played (way more) but that's fine. I got my moneys worth out of it while it lasted.

[@leomonchet971]

I'm only playing with my Friends why do they need to read my emotions?

[@isaac6077]

Cause they are lizard people

[@oldreaddy3341]

DRG my beloved, I feel the yearn for the mines once again.

[@daethbane]

I'm torn, I want it known that I believe in Arrowhead that they can make this game better and don't want to tarnish that but I also want Sony to know this is not okay. I may change my review to negative in solidarity to those that can't play because of this change by Sony specifically.

[@averagearzyk2183]

Leave a negative review, as in click the negative button, but in the description, make it known the recent desicions of Sony are why you are leaving a negative review, not bc of the game itself.

[@NoName......]

Just make sure sony knows that they fuck up. Say that you'll change your review if they revert it

[@williamking331]

​@@averagearzyk2183 agreed, it best to make it clear who fuck up here.

[@ArmoredNeko]

And ppl got banned instantly when their steam region doesn't has PSN access. Maybe they can find a VPN or something but it's just not fair to ask ppl to do it. Well I guess it was fun when it lasted, see you next game bros.

[@jondmontoto]

The issue with vpns is that some anti cheat software will not let you run the game with a VPN on.

[@Tamachii12]

Problem is that there is always the risk of a ban since their ToS is quite explicit when it comes to this.

[@HansKlopek]

I'm pretty much done with the hobby at this point. I'll dabble in racing Sims and that's about it

[@optimusprinceps6412]

Kernel level anticheat and now Sony Ai software. I'm starting to feel like there is no difference between China and the rest of the world. Scratch that China was just the first to do it.

[@Legendary_Honey]

Many governments and businesses love communism at the end of the day. It serves to benefit them, after all, so it makes sense. It's too bad it has to slowly creep its way into simple hobbies like gaming.

[@gokillyourselfgoogle]

Sony is in California now they've basically always pushed this.

[@Paradox1012]

The difference is china's ideas. They think controlling welfare and economy by brute force works out in the long run. (SPOILER ALERT, it dosent) They are paying the price for it now in terms of infrastructure collapse and having more males than females on a large scale due to thier flip floping family law for the past 30 years. The rest of the world is smart enough to know diffrent ways of manipulation that are far more effective at getting people to do what you want them to do. It might be slower and take more time,but it works. But all of it is becoming an increasingly transparent house of cards that's going to lead to a crash or another ,more worldwide great depression.

[@HansKlopek]

Starting to see the global com muni st agenda yet?

[@herpderp90]

The best guess we have so far is that Sony is doing this for two reasons. The first one is pretty obvious based on what they said, which is they want the ability to bad people directly, rather than having to rely on Steam. The second reason is a little less obvious until someone says it out loud to you. They want the metrics on how many people are signed up to PSN. By doing this, they potentially add literally millions of people to the PSN, which would look absolutely incredible in terms of corporate performance metrics for their investors. Apparently they don't care about long-term profits, and only want short-term metrics. I bet they wouldn't have ever bothered to try to get people to sign up for PSN if the game performed within regular metrics. When it popped off, they saw the potential to milk this game from every orifice.

[@nope-qi8zx]

"bet they wouldn't have ever bothered to try to get people to sign up for PSN if the game performed within regular metrics" Except this was a requirement even before the game launched. They suspended it due to technical issues. It always said "psn account required" on the steam page.

[@herpderp90]

@@nope-qi8zx Indeed it did, but that obviously isn't what I was trying to say. If you want to tell me that I'm wrong on the personal opinion side of things, that's fine. I was more interested in saying why Sony is pushing for it now. You'd assume that they'd at least make sure that all the bugs with crosssplay, the friend's list, and most other issues were resolved before going forward with the PSN account requirement. I'm pretty sure that the success of the game, and the end of the fiscal quarter is making Sony want to get their numbers nice and pretty, so they're going to push this through at an accelerated pace. If the number of purchases for Helldivers 2 was not as spectacular, I'd bet that they would have waited for these fixes, and may not have even bothered if the number of active players fell below a certain point by the time it was fixed.

[@nope-qi8zx]

@@herpderp90 I'm just trying to make sure people know the full facts. To me, your opinion is pure conjecture, and irrelevant to the situation. People are getting mad because they feel lied to, which is simply not true.

[@herpderp90]

@@nope-qi8zx I'm sure most people know the facts, but that won't stop people from being mad about how this whole thing is playing out. As for my opinion being pure conjecture, it sure is. I think I make some pretty solid points on why Sony would do something like this, but you're right when you say I don't have proof. That being said, I'd actually be willing to bet that I'm right if we could somehow get the truth out of the Sony execs.

[@nope-qi8zx]

@@herpderp90 no, no they do not... thanks to rage-baiting youtubers, and people who just can't read... A LOT of them think this just came out of nowhere. Also, I didn't mean to imply you're wrong, just that I don't have an opinion on the matter since it's irrelevant as to why people are upset. Should've explained that better.

[@Rowdy422]

I made my decision to buy the game based on all the user content on KZbin. So I hopped on steam, scrolled down and bought the game. I guess its my fault I didn't see that single line of text on the side of the page that said the game was going to get taken from me in two months. Literally the first instance of the PSN account being required that I've seen was last night with that update notice. Wasn't in the EULA, not referenced at all in-game. Just 5 seconds as a side blurb on the purchase page between other same-color notifications. Fuck Sony.

[@LegaltTO]

While it is garbage, this is also partially on you and other consumers. People never seem to check the DRM/EULA/Other area which is visibly a different color that stands out. It specifically says and has said the entire time "Requires 3rd-Party Account: PlayStation Network". There are even Screenshots of the Steam Page from months ago proving this. Again, it's garbage, especially considering it was sold in the countries without PSN, but it DOES say _Requires_ on the page. Trash business practices aside, _you_ are responsible for avoiding these things.

[@nope-qi8zx]

In this day and age DO YOUR RESEARCH before buying a game ESPECIALLY if it's live service. I pre-ordered the game knowing fully well it required a psn account, and had a morally ambiguous anti-cheat. While I absolutely despise these requirements, this is 50% your own fault.

[@Ecalypse]

I don't play Helldivers 2, but I can understand how that would happen. I just went to the product page in my steam client and I need to browse down, beyond the add to cart button and also all the update notes to find the note of needing a third-party account on the right. The account note doesn't really stand out from the other notes either, it's all written low contrast yellow on yellow and it's mostly the white eula link standing out. You can buy the product without seeing the area of the page with the account requirement. Meanwhile the correct place (if you actually want customers to be aware) to notify for that is instead occupied by a warning saying that only jp users get japanese voices and interface. The area above the add to cart button.

[@adambielen8996]

@@nope-qi8zx Well if he is in one of the 121 countries that Helldivers 2 was sold in but that don't also have PSN access then it is 100% Arrowhead and Sony's fault, which from the OP it does sound to be the case.

[@nope-qi8zx]

@@adambielen8996 "pre-ordered the game knowing fully well it required a psn account" It is on the steam store page "psn account required" As I said, 50% his own fault for not reading the description of what he's buying.

[@TheLizardKing752]

So this would require me to sign a EULA that wasn't part of initial round of licenses I agreed to...

[@Someguy6571]

Uhh yes it was. The psn account needed was required from day one.

[@TheLizardKing752]

@@Someguy6571 wait so this entire video is just wrong?

[@undertaker2766]

So how is it I've been playing for months without linking my steam account? They can't have a rule saying "having a PSN account is mandatory to play the game only in 3 months after release" makes no sense​@@Someguy6571

[@Max_Ohm]

Most videos out there are kind of misrepresenting the situation, yes.

[@akkunair9392]

@@TheLizardKing752 nah apparently not day one per say, but now? yea you most certainly do

[@hody.8381]

And we thought the last patch was the worst of it, now we can't even play the game without selling our souls to Sony. Helldivers had a good run, I guess. It was a lot of fun.

[@SkyWKing]

You know people truly love this game when they are still doing the role play when voicing frustrations.

[@frenchonion4595]

All these big corporations are doing this stuff. They want all your data, and they do not want you to outright own their products (subscription only etc)

[@pharaoh9483]

I already have an account so I don’t really care, but this is absurd

[@mkv2718]

as someone on ps5, this doesn’t affect me, (and not too worried about data leaks since i only use gift cards to buy stuff, no debit card on my account) but this does suck for people in countries who don’t have psn. they just need to make it so the account linking is only for cross play and that’s it, or at least grandfather in the people who have already purchased the game. seeing some people say this is a response to people canceling accounts over Sony’s other recent f-up with Stellar Blade and that whole censorship debacle. not sure how much stock i put into that, but considering the sudden timing it is a bit odd. friggin hell. i’m 40 years old, i just wanna play a game and have fun after working for 10 hours😩

[@shadowsketch926]

i feel that last one at 32, but honestly the business suits becoming a part of the triple a sector of the industry has ruined that sector, this is just another point that proves it.

[@griffiththechad9483]

Yeah I’m not buying the Stellar Blade stuff. Sony simply wants our data to make more money.

[@killerisawsome2918]

As also a ps5 user this does not effect us but i do feel bad for our pc comrades this is a very shitty thing to do to a game that made them a shit ton of money and with a very passionate dev team who dont stand for peoples bullshit it sucks that sony owns the ip for helldivers so AH is contractually stuck with them i hope this does not break their will to keep that passion for this game as it is one of the few no bs games made in this decade that is just for fun and not trying to send a message and i do enjoy coming home from work and bsing around and if sony is working on a anti harassment system well i will say this as a ps player it dont work for shit as the other day i called someone we will basically just say a smooth brain and still able to play so fuck em honestly

[@swector_unit4257]

​@@killerisawsome2918 hell i feel guilty of still playing HD2 like no one ask for this and once it goes through then it will mean less players and less money that leads to people who actually have a passion about gaming to get the short end off the stick. And i really don't care about the weapon balances i just enjoy running different builds. But this yes im a PS player but this really some Caseoh horse shit. And i still don't blame AH because if they were as in shock as have us all i wouldn't be surprised but the sad part is Sony own HellDivers 2 well the IP and have contract so ethier way the game will die and many people will still blame and harassed AH devs and workers that had nothing to do with it.

[@kalkkar]

Jesus, YOU THOUGHT IT WAS THE ILLUMINATE BUT ITWAS I, SONY. MWUAHAHAHAHAHAA

[@gabzsy4924]

I'm pretty sure this could very well become a legal issue for them. They cannot revoke your access to the game after you bought it by adding new terms that you have to accept in order to keep playing. Where I live I can link my account to PSN but I really wont. After 300 hours I'm a bit bored of the game anyway.

[@emreus1]

The symbolism on some of the early level cape cosmetics all makes sense now.

[@nukecorporations]

Why it's Always the big company that kill their own game (looking at you bungie+ sony bit mostly sony just firing ppl when they want)

[@Garrador876]

This crap from Sony on top of Arrowhead's bizarre approach to patching/"balance" changes seems like the worst possible environment for a game to survive in, let alone thrive in. What about this game's existence and success is so threatening that terrible choices *NEED* to be foisted upon it?

[@eddie5525]

And there it is! THIS was their endgame! HD2 was so generous with their monetization, you say? BOOM! - Bait & switch! Mark my words, if the backlash forces them to revert their decision (unlikely) they WILL put in cancerous monetization in short time. Either this game pays off Big Time for Sony or they will push it aside.

[@JPR222]

Yup I was waiting for the bait and switch eventually. Give it a few years and we'll see what other types of bs monetization they put in the game.

[@Paradox1012]

You do realize arrowhead maintains full monetary and creative control under the contract they made to make both helldivers one and two for Sony right? Sure its still shitty, but let's not give them too much credit here.

[@nope-qi8zx]

This was "literally" how it was meant to be AT LAUNCH. A psn account was always MEANT to be required, it said so on the steam page.

[@MythicTF2]

@@nope-qi8zx Listen little bro, Sony doesn't even know who you are. You don't need to vigorously suck them off like your life depends on it. It's a shitty bait & switch. The majority of the players came in AFTER that was lifted and has since been listed as optional BY SONY on THEIR WEBSITE. This is ignoring all the huge red flags that is Sony as a whole as well. Enjoy having your data stolen little bro.

[@Gnarfendorf]

@@nope-qi8zx Then they should have made sure that nobody could log in without one, simple as that. Wouldve sucked for the people without an account, but wouldve spared them a second shitstorm within a few weeks.

[@AstroLoops69]

How botched it is to play a game for over 150 hours without ever needing to make a Pony account. What a decision.

[@pokinginpractice9108]

Sony is practicing becoming a real Super Earth government.

[@luker2693]

TREASON DETECTED

[@usernamealreadytaken9330]

This reminds me of the meme that someone holding hostage with a knife, bystander calling for help and some rando ran up with gun and shot hostage in the head. The knife wielding is AH, hostage is HD2, bystander is players and Sony is rando with gun.

[@maikwokwik9739]

cornella!

[@earthtaurus5515]

I linked my steam account to my PSN Day 1 because the whole damn reason I bought the game was to play with friends on PS5 but we never could due with the friends list and what not. I bought the Super Citizen version late February 2024 and I rarely pay that much for a digital license for a game. I have over 160 hours in the game if this change is not reverted... I'm going to request a refund for the game out of principle as what about the people who can't create PSN accounts? That's messed up man, messed up.

[@thatonedude8313]

Literally can’t access my psn acc anymore cause it has 2 step and I lost the phone number it has on it 😭 the amount of issues I’ve had because of that alone just for more issues is making me furious

[@thatonedude8313]

And Sony doesn’t have an option on customer service to reset that so I’m screwed (don’t know for sure but that’s what I’ve seen also prob just gonna make a Burner but like still)

[@D3adCl0wn]

Blizzard has this BS too, I changed my phone # before I changed the old # on my account so now I can't even change that for 2-step auth. They legit told me I have to do it through the old # 'cause the code is sent there!

[@ijustbevibin0425]

@@thatonedude8313bro how tf do you lose the number you had on it 😭

[@thatoneguy1741]

A sad day for us all

[@thatonedude8313]

@@ijustbevibin0425 gave the phone that had that number to my little sister and that phone isn’t being paid for anymore so I couldn’t even get the code regardless (also I’m pretty sure she lost literally lost the phone anyway so idk where it is)

[@justin9649]

As of right now recent reviews are mixed. Crazy how fast that changes.

[@Rick_Sanchez_Jr.]

I can’t wait till Sony goes "Technically, playing Hellduvers 2 online is a PS Plus feature so we're gonna need you to pay for PS Plus on Steam". Mark my words.

[@Tracker947]

They took one look at Arrowhead's dumbass balance patch road map and said, "Hold my beer, those are rookie numbers"

[@nozzle-yt]

That is what I don't understand. Never have I experienced having to submit to another platform's concerns. If Sony is having security issues, they could force (I believe these things usually are optional but advertised security measures) their customers to go through two-factor accounts, link accounts across platforms, etc. Never has it been a concern of another platform consumers (steam users in this case) to partake in security measures by another platform. That is an issue governed through developers to implement correct usages of API keys, and fulfilling a certain code security measurement when their code is inspected. The only instances I have experienced linking across platforms (optional linking) are for rewards or benefits such as ease of account creation/login, unified game account progression across platforms, etc.

[@cordels.1179]

Arrowhead and Helldivers 2 will go down in Gaming History…… It’s a good sign for gamers not standing for this BS anymore, and if Sony doesn’t learn from this mistake then other companies will….. It’s just a shame a genuinely fun game had to get crucified for it……

[@kielbasamage]

Before us lies two roads. On one, this is a message that gamers will not take a good product being tampered with. On the other, it’s a sign that once you get the hook in, gamers will contort and justify anything to keep it in their mouths.

[@Aegirknight]

"...if I cannot save this game from your failure Sony, then let the galaxy burn." -Horus, probably

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

This feels SOO bad. I have never had a PSN account.

[@Max_Ohm]

Ahh my young friends, I'm an old veteran of this game. I've been hating Sony since they bought EverQuest.

[@brianmurphy6480]

Another old-timer! Yes indeed, ever since Verant Interactive/989 Studios sold EverQuest to Sony, the game did nothing but go downhill, and FAST. After they'd succeeded in destroying the profitability of their purchase, they then abandoned it and it got sold through a chain of even less worthy entities until now it's only on life support. The most popular servers are those that restart with Classic EQ and, once they get up to the Planes of Power expansion, the player base drops off a cliff until the next TLP opens; all so we can have a hit off that precious nostalgia hookah pipe. I started in 1999 with my twin brother, and though he's since passed away, I still play to this day just for the memories; but make no mistake, the heart quit beating in that game back in the early 2000s.

[@justaguyonyoutube4592]

EverQuest? Uh oh, don’t tell me it’s yet another game they’ve ruined with their corporate greed… It is isn’t it?

[@Max_Ohm]

@@justaguyonyoutube4592 ruined is probably too strong of a word, but certainly damaged.

[@MrBluedove12]

Let’s add Star Wars Galaxies to that list as well.

[@Max_Ohm]

@@MrBluedove12 yep played that too

[@captainz9]

A ton of people from Stellar Blade are cancelling their PSN accounts, so this was their way to combat the drop?

[@jasey844]

You may be right. I don't think it's going to work out though.

[@PokeBlu249]

Great video, really cleared things up for me. I thought at first that it was just that you could not use Sony's online service in those countries. The fact that you CAN make an account in those countries but CAN'T make one without breaking their terms of service and risking your account getting banned is completely neglectful and ruthless.

[@sylokthedefiled3047]

>be born >live in a time where games exist >is happy >games slowly turn to shit >less happy >Ubisoft takes away The Crew game rights >Tarkov tries to double back on promises >literally the best game on the market right now(HD2) demands account linking when numerous regions that were sold the game can't link >depressed Peepo

[@arcanafool9738]

Big F

[@vit4mint685]

They probably want to roll this out before they add the pride capes and armors.

[@gogeta667]

My thoughts, too. Sony wants to police wrong-think.

[@protosam5556]

This isn't even cooperate greed, it's just idiotic. You alienate about 25% of your player base and expect to profit from that, the math just doesn't add up. Hopefully they realize this but I fear it's already too late and a lot of players won't come back to this game even if they roll back the psn account bs.

[@bobbywamsley4828]

Fun fact, not sure if this has been realized but Sony changed their FAQ to reflect that some games may require account linking, according to the wayback machine, as late as March 29th it said it was optional

[@Goji1]

I do have a PSN account, it was for my Vita years back. Not that it matters right now because Sony's network server is borked right now, won't connect. Never mind I just found out apparently I changed my password in February. The link was in my Spam folder. Yeah my account got hacked they probably did things that got them banned. So PSN banned my account with their sub-par support in trying to get that unbanned it probably won't happen so goodbye Helldivers 2.

[@taleril5815]

I remember a million years ago when Skyrim came out the first time, I was baffled that I had to make a Steam account to play the game, Angry even. The real take away from this is, i feel bad for the people who can't play anymore.

[@shadowsketch926]

even outside of the region locked countries, fuck this move, it's clear since launch it was never necessary, i was able to play with pc and ps players alike, no problem, and considering that psn has more data breaches then their ps5 has exclusives, no I won't link, I'll refund.

[@nekotheliar6393]

The reason some people give a thumbs up even know the review says other wise is for people that search only positive will see it

[@Luxa-Bear]

What if we look for lawyer and everyone who's willing to donate to that lawyer to fund a court trial against sony?

[@riven4121]

There would be no case. The requirement was listed in the game's promotional material and the Steam page from day one.

[@adambielen8996]

@@riven4121 And yet Sony and Arrowhead sold the game to people that they knew that they would block later on.

[@nmf0]

Just changed my review to negative even though I have my account linked, hopefully sony can be convinced to stop with this bs.

[@ZephyrKitten742]

"Divers were looking for an excuse to quit" You honestly really hit the nail on the head and it just shows how this basically happened at the worst possible time. If it had been implemented from the start it would have been annoying and might've put a damper on the game's prospects, but it would just be how it is. If it was happening now and Arrowhead was flying high with a great reputation, the ire would still be there but mostly aimed at Sony. Instead, Arrowhead is already under a lot of flak for their last few balance changes and then Sony comes in like a pre-patch Scorcher Hulk to just incinerate the momentum the game was enjoying. It's really just a bummer though since I was really enjoying this game warts and all, and it was a rare game where I actually had a decently consistent friend group to play with. But now one of my friends who lives in Vietnam won't even be able to play it without making a fake PSN account and the other said he's pretty much done with it after this PSN change. So thanks for the extra patrols Arrowhead, I guess I'll be experiencing them more often now since Sony's tomfoolery is basically making it so I'll be playing by myself.

[@SPACE_BOOOOOST]

I know it's satirical and a whole ass meme, but it's incredibly ironic that out of all games this happens to the one where you're fighting for freedom and democracy.

[@sein442]

Financial report time is near Sony need numbers to please the investor

[@Gamur_Wenus]

PS accounts should have to make a steam account.

[@Chief4Army117]

So, they want to kill a game that's doing so well by **forcing** people to get a PSN account for no reason whatsoever? Why can't we have such nice things? So much for having an Xbox crossover with this game... It could be a lost cause, but I'm hoping enough people spam Sony to make this decision optional and not mandatory. Fingers crossed.

[@BackwardsPancake]

One additional weird aspect to this, with regards to certain countries not being able to sign up for PSN, is that Sony's TOS, as it works in practice, might technically violate EU law here? The EU has a legal principle of "content portability", which basically states that if someone buys online content in one member state, they should not be limited from using it in other member states, and the product they have access to there should be the same. It's primarily applied to streaming services and books and such, but also applies to digital games. So, basically, if someone buys Helldivers in Germany and signs up for PSN, then they should be able to move to Lithuania and keep playing their game. But Sony's TOS seems to imply that, since you can't register a PSN account from Lithuania, and you can't move your account, then they would legally claim the right to ban you from the game in this case. In practice though, I am 99% sure that Sony just expects people to lie about their country at sign-up, and that they will not ban people over it (unless you're doing something genuinely disruptive or buying stuff with the wrong region's prices on the Playstation Store, or whatever). I knew a guy from the baltics, and gamers there have basically done this since forever (Since Sony sells PlayStation consoles there - officially, from their own branded stores, not through shady resellers either - And you have needed to register a PSN account to use one of these since the PS3). But the fact that they technically could ban you for it, they haven't fixed this weird legal clusterfuck over the last decades, and that they're basically nudging people to break the terms they're agreeing to, even just to agree to them in the first place, is... weird.

[@Styggson]

Thoughtpolice is coming for ya

[@SealFormulaMaster]

Private servers are going to go crazy.

[@tinypixiebread]

I have 300+ hours into the game and Sony is about to take it away from me because PSN is not available where I live. GG Helldivers 2, you were one of the best

[@TheUnionJake]

"It was there from the beginning" So they knew this was coming for three months and made no attempt to find a solution for players who are region locked out of PSN? Sold them the game and said "wow that sucks"?

[@anotherbacklog]

No worries. Earth Defense Force 6 will be out in July. It’s where Helldiver 2 got their inspiration from. It’s also way more bombastic than Helldiver 2. If Helldiver wants to sleep with Sony then they will end up in hell together.

[@verdanteridium]

Can't wait for the 6th poorly translated to english weapons funny game to be released in the west. I'm excited!

[@rodgod82]

in my 42 years of life i never bought a smartphone , i am not buying one just to read a QR code to play one video game

[@lapin7542]

How did you go all that time without a phone? No offense, i hate this psn bs too, just curious

[@rodgod82]

@@lapin7542 i remember when the iPhone came out and the frenzy around it , i tough how useless it was for me ,because a smartphone is mostly a "social" tool, i am a very antisocial person , i don't have friends irl , i have social anxiety and i am an autistic guy that don't really understand how socials relations works ,especially the relations between men and women , i am a neet that got away from society and live in a small village and only interact with my immediate family ,hope it fill your curiosity .Also you can understand how frustrating it is to get to subscribe to something or activate something and only a QR code is Infront of me ,it shows how much the smartphone has become mandatory for everything.

[@heidedgar]

I'm also curious

[@rodgod82]

@@lapin7542 i gave an answer but it seems to have been deleted from some reason

[@dawnofwar4302]

​@@lapin7542 Ah yes. The time before cell phones. Because the world just simply didn't exist without the mobile device.

[@monocyte2210]

This shows how much these guys care for us who live in countries who dont have access to PSN

[@LOBOTOMINIZER]

to the people who already PSN linked, it was honor to serve with you.