Sorry Tesla... Toyota is showing HYBRIDS are what people want (for now)

#Tesla #toyota #ev #hybrid
Toyota's hybrid sales are taking off, meanwhile Tesla's EV sales are decreasing. Is the market speaking? Does the customer actually want hybrids in the near term?
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[@macfastang2010]

The world owes an apology to Akio Toyoda

[@lukerinderknecht2982]

That's a little dramatic...

[@Xander1Sheridan]

@@lukerinderknecht2982 no it's not. They destroyed Toyota for not jumping on the ev bandwagon. Now every company that makes ev's has dealers that have far too many and can't sell them.

[@lukerinderknecht2982]

@@Xander1Sheridan yes, the whole world 😮‍💨

[@worldofai-games1036]

Come on, remember when 30-40 environmental groups wrote a nasty letter to Toyota for not going to EV? Heavily reported by the news

[@morebrainmoregains3234]

​@@lukerinderknecht2982 the shareholders started a motion to fire him lmao.

[@JJS432]

The world didn’t believe Toyotas math. 😂

[@GGData]

If everybody was smart, we wouldn't be the mess we are.

[@NarasimhaDiyasena]

It’s not that they didn’t believe, every manufacturer knew. But every manufacturer except for Toyota is owned by Black Rock. Larry Fink is why EV was pushed, Elon just road the wave. The wave has now crashed.

[@nordlandak6853]

The electric Viking is choking on the news that people prefer that outdated hybrid technology…

[@mrgurulittle7000]

He’s owes Toyota and Japanese an apology. He completely trolled everyone.

[@phillyphil1513]

SUCK IT SAM...!!!

[@the8thvictim]

Norway is a La La Land TBH.

[@MR3DDev]

Akio Toyoda probably has a big I TOLD YOU SO sign outside his house now. Watch the sales of EVs when they take out that tax credit.

[@timothykeith1367]

I expect EV tax credits to be around 35 years from now. The federal government might give direct EV subsidies to lower income households for DEI goals and fund chargers at 20 percent of apartment parking spaces.

[@MR3DDev]

@@timothykeith1367 God I hope not.

[@kimd7300]

Telsa and EV's are slowing down because people are finally understanding how expensive they are to own. Insurance is crazy.and repairs are ridiculously expensive.

[@vancity2349]

Nope thats another EV hating over exaggeration

[@onsokumaru4663]

@@vancity2349 Do you have data to back up your argument, fanboi?

[@chrispnw2547]

This issue could be resolved tomorrow if Tesla provided a 15-year iron-clad unlimited mileage warranty on their batteries/drivetrain. The risk of buying a used Tesla would drop. Tesla needs to develop a method to certify a battery (used, or used involved in an accident). When a light crash results in a $60K car being written off for battery fears, you have a major problem.

[@ljpr360]

Teslas don't get repaired, they get tossed & crushed. Seats fall apart at 50,000kms, coolant & refrigerant lines are cheap crap and leak, killing motors and batteries. All the emissions reductions becomes a lot less impressive when you consider the amount of waste their vehicles make at end of life which comes way sooner than any Toyota. I want Tesla to be better, but they've shown no interest in build quality, reliability or right to repair.

[@swainp2012]

@@ljpr360 And yet, Tesla is reported to have industry leading low maintenance cost. EV FUD wont die.

[@InsidiousDr9]

27 years selling mass production hybrids to be an overnight success.

[@Fabulousprofound168]

Toyota is concentrating on making profits and waiting for EV tech to come down to a price point where you don’t lose money on every EV built and constantly trying to raise funds to keep the lights on or avoid bankruptcy.

[@emikomina]

isnt ford losing some like $120,000 for every ev? 😂

[@ryanfraley7113]

@@emikomina Ford has some good EV’s but their user base is one of the ones to get hit hardest by political propaganda paid for by big oil. They may not have a choice but to have hybrids on offer. Ecoboost platform is already pretty easy to switch to Hybrid.

[@jlamm2223443]

hard to argue with what you say. the only down side I see is that if there is a big advance, it might be hard for Toyota to turn the ship around as fast as consumer's preferences might change. Hybrids use two engines, after all.

[@miraphycs7377]

There was a figure from approximately a year ago (when Tesla's margin wasn't in as much of a toilet as it is now). All the profitable EV models other than Tesla. GM made $2150 per Bolt/EUV Toyota made $1197 on bz4x/Solterra (I assume their Lexus RZ would have even higher margin) VW made $973 on ID4 Hyundai made $927 on Ioniq 5 Ford lost $762 on Mustang Mach E

[@timothykeith1367]

Toyota will be reselling a BYD model

[@javil1803]

Hybrid it’s the way 👌🙌🙌

[@ericB3444]

Hybrid plus is the way. That doubles the mileage of hybrid.

[@timothykeith1367]

​@@ericB3444Toyota hybrids have been pretty conservative overall, there are potential hybrid gains with greater costs

[@johnnyv5995]

As a 2 year EV owner, I agree that unfortunately Hybrids are still the way to go. 2 friends who have owned EVs +4 years are saying they want Hybrid next, reason = road trips, even if they only do 2-3 road trips a year. Disappointing when you think of the very very slow progress in range and charging times in the last +5 years

[@swainp2012]

I have owned EV for 9 years and dont see buying ICE ever again

[@johnnyv5995]

@@swainp2012 I truly enjoy my EV, but for road trips - wish I could drive 4hrs straight instead of having to stop every 2.5hrs

[@alanb76]

After 8 hears I upgraded by selling the BEV (didn't get much for it either) and buying a PHEV. 50 miles EV range, then 500 miles on 10 gallons. Rarely run beyond the battery but when I do, excellent economy. No range anxiety, no searching for non-broken charging stations, no waiting. No $60,000 degrading battery to worry about. Cheaper to own and insure than a BEV that has decent long range. The BEV owners who love their EVs just haven't figured it all out yet. There are better choices.

[@DearSX]

35% of people rent apartments, that right there makes EVs a problem. Lack of charging stations is another.

[@vancity2349]

Can you gas up your car at your apartment?

[@donovan4105]

@@vancity2349no, but it only takes 5 minutes to full up a gas tank…

[@minerran]

Not only that but with currently available battery technologies, one cannot even completely recharge the batteries overnight, it takes longer.

[@vancity2349]

@@donovan4105 It does not we have 2 ice engine cars in our family

[@aurorajones8481]

Sing it soul sister! The incentives, mandates, and brand image of Tesla all on its own make this entire EV push what it is. Kick in any of those legs and it falls.

[@shredofmalarchi]

Hybrids are also popular because I think a lot of people don't want to hire an electrician to set up their house charging properly, it can get expensive and is a bit of a hastle. Hybrids are also not limited by distance and charge stations. I do agree that it is mostly the case that electric cars work best in the city and most people who live in the city don't have a place to charge at home. They mostly park in the street.

[@swainp2012]

What a silly reason. GM paid for my Level2 charger installation

[@raidenb4512]

Same in Europe, the EV is slowing down since the gouvernement stop giving money for it. And people buy Hybrid instead.

[@dporrasxtremeLS3]

This does not help the smog we have to deal with! Hybrids emit tons of smog! Not what we Need! True EVs do not emit SMOG! Gas 7-10 a gallon! IF, IF, you can get it soon! What???

[@raidenb4512]

@@dporrasxtremeLS3 Hahaha South Park

[@rightlanehog3151]

Kirk, Speaking for people north of the border, just because we build Toyota Hybrids here and want to buy them, does not mean we can get them.🤨Let's check back in 2026 to see if things are better. 😂

[@ytj22]

They are all going to the U.$.A!!!

[@JamaicanMeCrazy]

​@@ytj22they're in demand here as well plus lots of dealers add markups sometimes over $5000. So we have our own issues here too unfortunately.

[@ytj22]

@@JamaicanMeCrazy I doubt you're waiting 2 years for a Sienna, or 18 months for a Corolla hybrid? Yes, USA definitely has its own issues.

[@JamaicanMeCrazy]

@@ytj22 ha!! The sienna wait time was over a year so yup same deal. . People are catching on to the Toyota hybrids. They can't make enough of them but the Corolla is fine

[@ytj22]

@@JamaicanMeCrazy *was* over a year. It's not anymore, that's my point.

[@edwarddejong8025]

Public chargers in California are 45 cents or more during the day. That makes an EV cost more per mile than a gas hybrid that gets 40 MPG (at $5.50/gallon, current price). Also, the insurance on a Tesla averages over $2000/year.

[@minimalist0000]

Most Cali EV owners schedule charging at home after midnight while sleeping.

[@georgipress]

I have a Toyota Prius prime and a model y performance and trust me I won’t sell my Toyota I want to hit 1,000,000 miles or more lol in contrast to my Tesla I don’t recommend it.

[@IggyDalrymple]

"The Car Care Nut" says that if you drive a plug-in Prime, to be sure and drive it one day per week on hybred-charging-mode. He says that driving continuously on plug-in mode will cause damage to the engine.

[@georgipress]

@@IggyDalrymple I heard that I do this once in a while , I personally haven’t seen anyone with that problem. Mine so far have 50k miles and everything is fine.

[@judyArsh]

Elon Musk is a clown. He is focused on $100k trucks and robotaxis. Now he has torpedoed the charging network. Plus he just can’t keep his mouth shut.

[@RagShop1]

A sub $30K Model 2 SHOULD have been the priority, NOT the ridiculous Cybertruck, Robotaxis OR the FLAWED Autopilot.

[@timothykeith1367]

​@@RagShop1No "affordable" EV can make a profit unless it comes from China. I'd like to see a Yaris-like EV, but Toyota doesn't sell the 4th gen Yaris in the U.S., but sells a Yaris hybrid in the UK

[@timothykeith1367]

Musk built a successful American car company, but the early adopter Tesla owners are still buying most of the new Teslas, some have already owned 3 or 4 Teslas. They trade them while the battery is still usable. With no new Tesla demographic in sight, Musk appears to want to bring Tesla upmarket with FSD, but doesnt want to restyle or upgrade the interiors. The high-end will eat Tesla because those buyers want exclusivity.

[@ericB3444]

He should steal the new Camry and rename it Tesla. Nobody will notice. Go with hybrids until 2042

[@dlg5485]

Plug-in hybrids are what people really want. Having enough electric only range for the daily commute is extremely appealing to a lot of people, but they don't want to deal with the range anxiety of a full BEV. The problem with Toyota's PHEVs is pricing. They got too damn greedy during the covid era and they're pricing has only gotten worse since then.

[@reginald7214]

Tesla supercharger network is the #1 reason you would get a tesla. Cutting that team is embarrassing. Lets hope somebody else can build out a public network and not be run by a 13 year old boy. But in the meantime, lets go hybrids!

[@tonespeaks]

@reginald7214 Super Charger Network is only going to expand and get better!!! People are misunderstanding what is happening at Tesla, because they don't understand what is happening at Tesla. That "13 year old boy", create the best selling car in 2023 and it was an EV, beating out all of the Toyotas. It wasn't a fluke either!!! EV will displace ICE in a few years it is on course to do so in #1 China and #3 EU markets soon.....USA will not be far behind. Just for the record, the Prius was my Car for decades!!

[@Charliegsand]

i know 4 people who traded in a BEV purchased in 2022-2023 for a hybrid or ICE in 2024. the reality of BEV limitations means they will never be practical unless you live in an urban area & own a home

[@JonasBuack]

Musk laid off employees so that his $56B bonus would be more palatable for investors. If it weren't for this, he wouldn't need to do the lay offs.

[@mottom2657]

Musk is all business now, sadly. The only couple of things static about him are his unconditional patriotism for Israel and his support for the recent Gaza massacre.

[@darylfoster7944]

@@mottom2657 you're clueless

[@darylfoster7944]

He is owed the money, as already approved by shareholders. A leftist judge decided that she knows more than the shareholders. The layoffs will save the company $1B in operating expenses, and redirect the money to AI.

[@vancity2349]

@@mottom2657Every car brand is in business to do business

[@fortheloveofnoise9298]

Just goes to show his altruistic values were a sham.

[@michaelw6277]

EVs just aren’t going to catch on in the USA until chargers at residences become normal. Right now they only work if you own your home and can have a charger installed; if you’re a renter, especially in an apartment, you just can’t make it work. Then there’s the obvious problem with interstate travel and the lack of infrastructure to support it.

[@vancity2349]

Can you gas up your car if you live in an apartment?

[@michaelw6277]

@@vancity2349 yes, it takes seconds at a gas station and the price is the same if you’re a renter or an owner

[@vancity2349]

@@michaelw6277 seconds now, the other guy said 5 minutes?

[@fortheloveofnoise9298]

​@@vancity2349if you could charge an ev from zero to full in 5 mins, then EVs will win...but not until then, still at least a decade away

[@dchiznit209]

@@vancity2349if you really want to be technical about it; a 5 gallon gas can is about 30 bucks, if you have one sitting at your apartment you can get half a tank of gas right there 😂. Infrastructure isn’t quite there yet for EV’s. What I mean by that is when we can reliably take an interstate road trip anywhere in the US without having to redirect the route for charging access because this long stretch of roads does not have it..when that happens, we might be able to have EV’s en masse, until then, EV’s may still only be an option for urban/suburban areas.

[@aurorajones8481]

OMG I rode by a Tesla Cyber truck on my Duc and I stood up and made a farting stance towards it in traffic! 🤣

[@blackcow8114]

hybrid supra please toyota

[@schorriemorrie_04]

I would not call Tesla's 5.5% operating margin good for what still is a premium automaker. And that number is beefed up by the free money they get in the form of regulatory credits, without that it would drop to 3.5%. Since Toyota is a mainstream brand it's not really fair to compare to Tesla to Toyota, but Toyota actually beat Tesla last quarter in operating margins 11.3% vs 8.2%. Toyota will present their quarter and full year results on Wednesday, not Monday like I presumed.

[@swainp2012]

All OEMs will be paying for Tesla's capex 😆

[@schorriemorrie_04]

@@swainp2012 You can look up who's paying the bulk of regulatory credits currently, and who's pooling with Tesla for compliance, and it's a very short list. The steady stream of loosening environmental regulations that's been happening recently is likely to continue if the local automakers can't reach the targets.

[@ytj22]

Toyota bankruptcy watch: Day# 2920

[@KirkKreifels]

🤣🤣🤣

[@schorriemorrie_04]

I've been closely following the EV space since 2010, and there was already talk of it then, though most of the scorn at that time was directed at GM. Also the projection of a quick 0-80% EV conversion rate was already around then. The term du jour was "tipping point" and that would happen 1 generation in, so in 2015, and then in the run up to 2020 all the legacy automaker would be in a mad scramble to convert completely to EV. Of course if you look at the "who killed the electric car movie" you notice so many of the EVangelist in the late 90s and early 00s had similar views.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

@@schorriemorrie_04 Just because they're a good idea doesn't mean the public will agree with you.

[@lukerinderknecht2982]

I'm strongly considering at an EV for my next new car. I've been rooting for Tesla since they had the first roadster, but over the years it's become failed promises and especially problematic is Elon himself. I'd never buy a car from this clown now.

[@baldisaerodynamic9692]

owning a tesla myself, Elon has no influence on owning and using it as intended. nothing about my car is "failed promises"

[@jlamm2223443]

I hate to agree, but I have to. I sold all my Tesla stock because of the comments that clown has made.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Fortunately, there will be more EV models in the years ahead.

[@muchski]

It's unfortunate you would overlook the fact that Tesla makes the safest vehicles (yes, even lower probability of injury than Volvo) simply because you don't like the CEO

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

1:38 Thank you Toyota for realizing Hydrogen is the future.

[@mikldude9376]

Re: the staff leaving and people being sacked left right and centre, and this is a commonality for musk , it’s not new , you’d have to come to the conclusion he’s a control freak. Is it good for the company ? I don’t know , but he’s certainly looking like he uses employees like toilet paper.

[@vincecarlo]

Hybrid is THE FUTURE

[@ffl2609]

Will probably never own a Tesla, not a fan. But Tesla will be fine. Just cyclical. They seemingly have had 2 designs forever. Need some variety, shake things up.

[@eculindo]

I agree, years of strategic decisions by Toyota on hybrid technology are about to explote on Tesla’s face! The new Camry (is the sign that shoppers were waiting) has the potential to produce a significant shift towards Toyota in the next 5-10 years, coupled with the abandonment of American manufactures of sedans and irrelevant competition from luxury brands on mass production vehicles, we have the perfect (T-storm) ‘T’ for Toyota (punt intended) for everyone. Toyota has also rejuvenated their designs (they are not boring anymore) and are more sophisticated than ever before, Toyotas don’t break, come with 2 years of free service, and the list just keeps going on and on … even manufactures like Honda are feeling the Toyota pinch right now, but for Tesla, it could be devastating.

[@alwaysiyi272]

I still vivdly remember when Toyota said that EV's were not viable at the moment and every EV analysis channel said that Toyota will go bankrupt in a couple of years, but look at where we are today. EV's are definitely in our future, but banking on it to be the entirety is just very risky and not very well calculated. Hybrid and plug-in hybrids just make way more sense for a lot of people at the moment. I recently drove a 2023 Tesla Model Y for about 5 days and I loved, even took it on a 600-mile riadtrip and I like the idea of not having to use gas but at the moment it is just not very feasible for me as an apartment dweller.

[@richy7757]

Teslas were just an era that everyone wanted when it was popular but now that era is coming to an end and nobody wants them now especially when there are better options and honestly just can’t beat a hybrid/ plugin hybrid.

[@rusack7174]

I think it only makes sense that Hybrids have become very popular as they take up a middle ground between gas and full electric. I loved my Accord Hybrid. It was fun to see just what kind of mileage I could get out of a tank of gas. A few trips out to the coast and just cruising around, visiting different areas and driving back I averaged over 50mpg. Plus, giving it the whip, it would get up and go! They also do not require a dedicated charge. I have no issue at all with full EV's, I'm sure they fit very well into many people's lives.

[@yelapa999]

About 60% of our electricity is produced by burning hydrocarbons. A hybrid such as a Prius also gets 60% of its power from gas engine. It's a wash-no greater carbon benefit to EV's amidst higher insurance and sky high depreciation.

[@jlamm2223443]

Yes but powerplants are generally more efficient than tiny gas engines, so there is savings there. Also, most powerplants are not in the middle of big cities where the pollution really hurts. Also, EV cars can both take and give to the grid and thus act as a reserve power source which makes way for more green energy that only works when the sun shines, etc. But I have to wonder if you are not right about those insurance costs. That's a real bummer to me.

[@lostjr]

One thing to keep in mind regarding California is the very high gas prices.

[@amritathakur6935]

Toyota should develop diesel hybrid technology for pickup trucks and large SUVs. Efficiency would go off the charts.

[@GNew6393]

The US government should have kept the incentives for PHEV and efficient hybrids. At least for those who source batteries responsibly. This would go much further to reduce emissions at an affordable level. EVs fit a niche at the current cost, range, charge speed and infrastructure. The greenies and EV lobby got in the ear of the politicians and compromised a rational transition to more efficient climate friendly tech.

[@Xander1Sheridan]

I would love to own a small sporty hybrid.

[@vincecarlo]

Prius is more than Decent

[@KirkKreifels]

Prelude coupe hybrid coming

[@lostjr]

Corolla Cross Hybrid still has $2,000 over list surcharge in N. California. What is wrong with the Alabama plant?

[@davidglad]

High demand vehicle. Even in San Antonio doesn't seem to really be in stock at any reasonable price as people want those spacious vehicles alongside the obvious in Truck Country

[@lostjr]

@@davidglad I _think_ they are only running one shift.

[@rhinds14]

I got one at MSRP in SoCal but I got lucky because the person before me couldn’t get financing. I think they are not making enough of them in favor of the RAV. See quite a few of the non-hybrid Cross around here but very few hybrids. Love the car though!

[@LoneWolfSparty]

​@@lostjrthat and the production numbers are split between the CX-30 and the Corolla Cross.

[@joecrash1232]

Depends by dealerships; some have no markups and some have markup by greedy dealerships.

[@ljpr360]

In Canada Lexus Electrified take rate is almost 50% at 48.7% Toyota is a company that (like their cars) with proper maintenance they'll last forever.

[@reginald7214]

Excellent news!

[@dwnrange7812]

Does anyone know if Tesla is actually making money on every Cyber truck it sells?

[@toshi7220]

No, until full scale production in 2025.

[@tonespeaks]

@dwnrange7812 Tesla will not be profitable with Cybertruck until it is at full production (about 6 months). Currently only making about 1,000 a week. At $100k a pop, they are pretty close.

[@philipershler420]

Prius Plugins are still only being allocated to CARB states in the US. One theory is that Toyota is not making enough profit on them to increase the availability. Do you agree with this idea? Otherwise, it seems like Toyota could further increase its hybrid sales dominance by building more Plugin Prius’s.

[@LoneWolfSparty]

They're capacity constrained on the Prius. Add in the fact that it's made in Japan and that's why they aren't pumping out a ton of plug-in's.

[@philipershler420]

@@LoneWolfSparty I am still surprised that Toyota doesn’t increase the capacity.

[@LoneWolfSparty]

@@philipershler420 it's not that simple; it's an issue of production capacity and parts suppliers. Most times suppliers can only produce a set amount per the agreements they set with the OEM; if they want to make more, it's possible it just takes time and money. But it's a gamble when you do that because what if the market changes and you've already spent a ton of capital increasing production?

[@philipershler420]

@@LoneWolfSpartyI guess I should never try to second guess Toyota. And besides the company never asked me. 😜 I’m just glad I live in a state that is right next door to a CARB state, so I could get mine.

[@LoneWolfSparty]

@@philipershler420 ehhh they're just conservative. That's always been their MO; they tend to not overproduce vehicles traditionally due to how their production system works.

[@chrissmith2114]

Most people can cover their daily commute with a PHEV on battery only, and have the knowledge they do not need to fear longer journeys...

[@JamaicanMeCrazy]

You wanna know how I know this would happen? First of all I love EVs and would love to own one.. Just not yet. For my use case it just didn't make sense. I do ride share and a hybrid is just so much more convenient just ask Hertz who are losing a crap load on their ride share ev rentals. The range was an issue with the Tesla, ease and expense of repair better with the hybrid, convenience and speed of refilling is a no brainer and what a lot of people don't realize is ev tires are way more expensive and wear out twice as fast because of the extra weight and torque.. lots of people have figured this out.

[@LeoTheShortGuy]

Cool

[@beautyofgrace3915]

Just bought me a 2018 Chevy Volt, great driving car, very smooth, has leather seats, heated front and back seats and steering wheel, Bose speakers, has warranty, really enjoying this car, paid $16,000 much cheaper than an ev.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

A 6 year old car is cheaper than a new one, who knew??

[@zugzug6773]

I don't think people even want hybrids, they are just refusing to sell ice anymore.

[@chrissmith2114]

It is shocking that EV makers have to have their own 'fuel network' - a bit like ICE makers having their own service stations....

[@NickFallon88]

Pity the EU doesn't agree.

[@crushbaseball4270]

I am curious what’s gonna happen with Toyota sales? Because I think they’ve been nailing pricing with their cars like the new Camry. But I think their pricing has gotten worse and worse for their SUVs and trucks I am curious if they overpriced the new Tacoma too much and people will go to other brands and then I’m worried the 4Runner is gonna be too much money also. my local dealership getting a first edition Land Cruiser in, MSRP on it is 79k and then they have a markup of 5000 on it. If anyone buys that, I don’t know what they’re thinking maybe see if you can go get a good deal on a wrangler 392 at that price or just get the Lexus GX at that point

[@crushbaseball4270]

When I say wrangler 392 you have to find one that a dealer wants to get rid of. That’s been sitting for a little bit because MSRP price is higher.

[@btownballer27]

You're right on the SUVs and trucks. They're priced for the wealthy. I've seen some new ones about in my region but the prices are ghastly.

[@crushbaseball4270]

@@btownballer27 agree since also they have a bunch of Tacoma’s and tundras and sequoias even old 4runners stacking up on the local lot

[@randomlywild3437]

The only thing Musk has done right was to be born to a former apartheid emerald owner.

[@RagShop1]

That's uncalled for. So he was born rich; he still made most of his wealth on his own and had vision to create some of the most successful companies. SpaceX has done many things NASA and the Russians never managed in space technology.

[@muchski]

Actually he never owned an emerald mine and Maye Musk and her children fled Errol's abuse to Canada nearly penniless. Cited in numerous biographies but recycling internet misinformation is much easier than picking up a book.

[@mikej238]

stupid post.

[@rolandtb3]

New affordable products. Partial compliance with hybrids, plug-in hybrids and battery electric vehicles. Industry standardization on rapid charging, charger availability, charger connectivity, ease of charger payment, battery development improvements in safety, weight, charging cycles, battery management systems. Car payments, car insurance rates, reliability and resale value, maintenance costs.

[@anshumanSrivastavaHere_I_COME]

bought the prius prime xse 2024 in April

[@chrispnw2547]

History will show the DealBook Summit in late 2023 is when Elon Musk officially 'Jumped the Shark' with his erratic behavior. Tesla HAS NOT had a new profitable volume product release since the Model Y. Meanwhile, Tesla has many initiatives underway with no demonstrable evidence an effort will move to profitable volume production - only words. Production Level-5 FSD/Robotaxi is perceived as a fail despite incremental Level -2 improvements. The consensus is the leader of the Tesla Supercharger network pushed back on the ask of staff reductions and Musk did not take kindly to her attitude and 'defiance'. and fired all within the group. He did the same thing at Twitter when he decided to clean house and Twitter has never recovered. Musk feels the need to show people he is THE BOSS (regardless of the repercussions to the business). The repercussions of Musk's absence from being at Tesla WORKING is showing (in a bad way). A 25% reduction in demand is enough to hurt Tesla badly and destroy the long-believed growth narrative.

[@foxgood]

Maybe that will change with the rest of the year. I wanted to buy the new Camry 2025, and I saw the prices in Canada the XLE or XSE is completely unaffordable with taxes it amounts to $56,000 Canadian, $40,900 American, at 8.21% interest no thanks I'm going to keep my 2015 Camry for a long time. I was expecting around $42,000 Canadian before taxes but $47,831 before taxes, I'll pass.

[@S2kTi]

I see it too. I sell BMWs and guess which car has the largest waitlist? X5 50e... Meanwhile, the iX and i4 are piling up..

[@seikocitizenwatches]

Honda is good but Toyota is super good and unchallenged and unparalleled.

[@michaelstewart9366]

Can’t wait for solid state batteries. I live here in California and I know many people that don’t wanna buy a Tesla bc of Elon.

[@darylfoster7944]

Solid state is nonsense, according to the CEO of CATL. If someone doesn't want to buy a Tesla for political reasons, that's childish, but then most people are childish.

[@PostprandialTorpor]

Not to mention, PG&E is really screwing us hard their 2 to 4X electrical increases. Evie are no longer slam dunk option.

[@michaelstewart9366]

@@darylfoster7944 agree to disagree

[@darylfoster7944]

@@michaelstewart9366 that's fine, but CATL has worked on them for ten years, so I think they know something.

[@jxxxxx44]

​@@darylfoster7944 so having personal values is childish?

[@ljpr360]

I love my electric Toyota; I live at my Uncle's with a Level 2 charger, mildest part of Canada & I only do 1 road trip a year. It makes sense for me but i understand other's needs for Hybrids. I HATE oil & gas & their dirty business practices, but not everyone feels this strongly.

[@chrissmith2114]

I pity Jaguar and Volvo, who are going full BEV this year....

[@fractalelf7760]

For the moment…. What hybrids do show is interest in EVs which literally will fall below ICE cost very soon. Once that happens with even less maintenance than hybrids and greater charging access the game spins over. One key issue is hybrids cannot meaningfully come down in price. I get all the “car guy” videos disliking EVs as “soulless” but simple fact is hybrid interest shows the consumer is using them as a stepping stone transition to EV. 90% of consumers see cars as what they are: a means to conveyance, nothing more.

[@Lyndon1117]

Not just Toyota, but hybrids in general are going to succeed in the foreseeable future until electric vehicles are more affordable, the amount of recharge stations increases, recharging technology improves so it only takes 5-10 minutes to fully recharge, and the power grid can support a majority of the nation owning electric vehicles.

[@ag4eng]

BYD also does strong hybrid EV and they are beating Tesla in largest EV market China. Clearly vehicles with ICE+BEV is the way to go until battery technology and infra improves. Tesla needs to pop a small thermal engine in the frunk 😂

[@alwayne5932]

Kirk bro..from a long time I really only care about hybrids only especially Toyota’s hybrids & Lexus which is the same 😁so I really don’t worry about no electric crop..so go ahead Toyota take e’m places 😂

[@andriybenko8654]

Kirky- can't wait when u will do world statistics. Not only US

[@magnoliap5824]

If I were in the market for a hybrid, I’d go Honda CRV Sport L. Hydrogen? Ah no thanks. To me that’s way far out. 😂

[@vincecarlo]

Tesla is on the way ⏬⏬⏬

[@ztekz]

No they don’t…he’s super rich anyway so who cares?!

[@stennordenmalm9900]

About Toyota: "OMG, they are going bankrupt next week 100%" Soooo.. how is laughing now??

[@ryanfraley7113]

Is it so much Toyota on hybrids, or is it Musk descending into Howard Hughes levels of madness? It’s some of both. Take Tesla’s sale drops out of EV data. Then EV sales are still rising. We need both hybrid and electric in this weird transition phase which will probably last another 10-20 years.

[@SuperDiagnostic]

What was this episode; the slag Tesla show? 🤔

[@gerryc1575]

Not sure if Spike from Buffy successfully introduced the word 'Wanker' to the US audience but Musk absolutely is a total one. If you listen carefully, you can hear the laughter from Tokyo 🥰

[@healer81]

They only want hybrids in sedans and vans. Suv and trucks a BIG NO

[@dporrasxtremeLS3]

Kreifels... Tesla Hater. Straight UP!!!

[@chrissmith2114]

Musk is a proper loose cannon ...

[@markday5797]

ICE is nice for me for now toy was smart not to jump off the cliff into ev land.

[@wallybigwheels8993]

Hydrogen is the way of the future!.

[@davidhunternyc1]

Oh wow! I'll definitely grab extra snacks and drinks today. O.K. I've got my ginormous bag of Flamin’ Hot Nacho Doritos and my Coke Zero and I'm buckled in !!! Let's go !!! Toyota is kickin' butt. Not to be a Debbie Downer but I wish Toyota would get rid of those cheap plastic infotainment screens from the toy aisle at Walmart.... but you've got to give kudos where kudos is deserved. Do I feel bad for Elon Musk? Hell no! He is the reason for Tesla's demise. It's labor who built Tesla and if they were paid a living wage we wouldn't have crazy billionaires controlling the world. No one is calling out the security risk of Starlink. Can you imagine giving one man control of the global satellite internet? We are allowing one man to instigate and change the outcome of war. We are allowing one man to pull the puppet strings of nations and world leaders. Elon Musk is turning into a villain from a James Bond movie and the world sits by and does nothing. Our naive veneration of CEOs has got to change. Will we learn? No. We do not care about the welfare of our neighbors nor for the people who work with their sweat and tears to build companies. On the bright side, I was hoping for an Easter egg, Kirk. I was hoping that your new Toyota GR Prius was delivered with a big beautiful red bow in your driveway... ugh... That's O.K., first world problems, I know. There's alway tomorrow. Keep the faith!

[@skimonkey5855]

yes, they no longer need to stay bc they are fully vested and stocks are tanking. u can't F the rich! ironically as they got rich from T stocks.

[@brandononbrand]

Now Toyota needs to start stocking colors and stop stocking white/grey/black cars To be fair, Tesla is even more boring when it comes to color

[@ytj22]

Teslas also happen to have the most boring interiors

[@LoneWolfSparty]

They do offer colors, but ironically enough, but their allocation system gives allocations based on what sold the previous year.

[@baldisaerodynamic9692]

@@ytj22 i say this about toyota interiors...they are cheap feeling, and they randomly throw buttons in dumb places and looks like the cyber truck in terms of it being some 8 year old renderings of a car interior. and their base model infotainment is from 2012 and slow, sluggush, and plain sucks.

[@brandononbrand]

@@LoneWolfSparty if all they stock are white/grey/black/boring colors, then that’s all that’s going to sell… so you’re saying it’s a vicious cycle with this allocation system.

[@brandononbrand]

@@ytj22 agree. I meant both inside and out… Toyota only stocks black interiors, it seems, but Tesla is supposed to be the “car of the future” so you’d expect a more adventurous palette… unless a person’s vision of the future is of the authoritarian variety.

[@DPoner]

Last I checked, Toyota was having a very hard time selling trucks. I’m curious if that’s included in this video. We’ll watch later.

[@KirkKreifels]

Sales are down on Tacoma as plants Mexico switch over to new model

[@chrissmith2114]

EV buyers understand neither electricity nor chemistry.... They just fall for the hype from P T Barnum-Musk.

[@nyxline]

Toyota Moving Forward ⏩⏩⏩ Tesla Moving Backward 🔙🔙🔙

[@aquint5554]

I think many investors forgot Tesla is a technology company first, car manufacturer second. Their cars help establish that EVs could be a alternative if done correctly. Now with most adapting NACs standard, there's now better cars coming than Tesla's own offering. Tesla should shift more focus to being a service/tech provider and have a steady revenue stream with their charging network and consider licensing their platform/UI.

[@nordlandak6853]

The charging network they are not investing in?

[@Hate---Love]

They are

[@garytrawinski1843]

I traded in my Ford Ranger getting 20 to 22 mpg for a 2023 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid getting 45 to 50 mpg.

[@fortheloveofnoise9298]

Why not get a Ford Maverick Hybrid?

[@javadabaron81]

11:34 Don’t start talking like a cult member.

[@KirkKreifels]

Cult life

[@mrgurulittle7000]

I feel bad for Akio Toyoda for what he had to go through. That guy knows his shit. Who were the impulsive “environmental” propaganda organizations to predict the doom of the biggest, most profitable, most future insightful automaker on earth? Logic wins over propaganda impulse. The “environmentalists” should just back off the automotive sector and leave it to Toyota to rule that sector. All those billions wasted on EVs….

[@djsangre]

I live in a big European city and we are highly suggested (let’s say…) to buy hybrids or EVs. So, after an Audi A3 and a Mazda 3 I got a pre-owned Lexus CT200h F Sport, it was a bargain and I’m very satisfied. TBH the Mazda 3 was slightly more enjoyable to drive, but a full hybrid option is not available on the new model. Hybrids are definitely better than EVs. Toyota sells only hybrids in Europe, the only exceptions are the GR86, Supra, Aygo X and Hilux. Yaris, Corolla and all the SUVs are available as Hybrids only, new Land Cruiser included.

[@michaeloreilly657]

BZ4X???

[@djsangre]

@@michaeloreilly657to be honest, I don’t know if they are still offering that model in my country 🤔 they tried but I’ve never seen one at the dealership (where I service my car is the biggest Toyota dealer of the country) and I definitely never saw one around. And since the city I live in is the one with most EVs, they are probably not selling it.

[@djsangre]

I remember that they were put on a hold after some test by car magazine showed a serious issue with the tyres or something like that.

[@michaeloreilly657]

​@@djsangre My friend's wife has one. The wheels fell off! Kirk covered it extensively.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

Toyota:🗿📈 Environmentalists:💀🤬🗣️🗣️🗣️ EV sales:📈 Toyota:🗿📈 Toyota buyers:🗿📈 EVs:📉 Environmentalists:🤡 Toyota:😏🗿📈 Moral of the story. TOYOTA KNOWS THEIR SHIT!

[@michaeloreilly657]

Scientists?

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@@michaeloreilly657What do you mean?

[@cptn777]

We the people do NOT want nir can afford a POS electric. Gas and hybrids are the way forward, and maybe in a few decades hydrogen fuel cells.

[@tocreatee3585]

why these EV fanboys and anti EV people think the world have to CHOOSE EV or ICE car? for some use EV is good enough or even superior to ICE car. HYBRIDS make perfect sense. but hydrogen car make zero sense tho, toyota.

[@ryanfraley7113]

Because people don’t have developed brains.

[@baldisaerodynamic9692]

agreed, EV is for people it works for, a hybrid works for pretty much everyone. hyrdo is stupid and not worth it.

[@Sunil-he8xm]

$40-50K for a Model Y is hard to beat. I don't think it's the cars that's pushing customers away, it's the insurance and lack of infrastructure for charging.

[@btownballer27]

That translates to 70-80k in Canada, and the dollar doesn't go far here. They're losing sales outside of the states, as are other companies that sell egregiously priced EVs. The only affordable cars in the ev and hybrid market in Canada at least are Hyundai and Toyota, and the latter is the go-to atm and likely going forward.

[@avdp9095]

Exactly. In Northern Europe, Tesla is nr 1 in the Netherlands and Norway, curious, the Toyota Bz4x is 2nd bestselling car in Norway...in the Netherlands not even in the top 100😢😢😢😢

[@wimgeuens8433]

The only way people buy EV's right now (both in the US and Europe too) is due to subsidizing them into oblivion. No sane person would pay for an EV if not for all the extra's the governments throw at them. In some European countries (Belgium mainly) the amount of leased cars as part of an extralegal package from your employer is the play, all because taxes on labor are insane. Those people wouldn't be getting an EV in the first place if not for some loopholes companies use.

[@darylfoster7944]

There's no lack of superchargers in the U.S. Can't speak for other countries.

[@avdp9095]

@@wimgeuens8433 true, but Brussel has decided that we must have EV'S and we will.......the EV train cann't be stopped. Unfortunatly. And Toyota has to act, must come up with excellent EV'S in Europe, from an imago point of view alone.... . Kia/Hyundai have surpassed Toyota in the Green imago ' departement '. So I really think Hybrid sales are not to stay, not in Northern Europe anyway.

[@minerran]

This is not even a question of what people want .... I would love to have a 100% electric vehicle. Its about what is practical. Currently available rechargeable battery technology is not sufficient for a fully electric vehicle that matches the usability of an internal combustion vehicle (ICE). Also the power grid and typical home wiring is also not ready for the massive charging current demands that widespread use of such vehicles would result in. In addition to all that, electric vehicles are not price competitive with ICE vehicles and government subsidies or tax breaks can't remedy that. The only available solution is to migrate to more fuel efficient and cleaner burning ICE vehicles. Hybrids can help this although they use the same inadequate battery technology. I owned a Honda Civic Hybrid and was very disappointed in it, eventually having to trade it in when the battery pack went bad at 35K miles right after the warranty expired. Was going to be about 1/5 the cost of a brand new vehicle to get a refurbished battery. No thanks. Right now, electric vehicles are only practical for owners who drive less that around 30 miles per day and have access to a charging station at work and at home or drive very infrequently. For long trips or long daily commuting to work, it simply takes too long to recharge them.

[@nick.i.am97]

Don't Forget GM is making PHEV Vehicles

[@baldisaerodynamic9692]

no one cares about GM, they will all be bricks or recalled or somehow a POS and grossly over priced for car with subpar quality, reliability, and longevity.

[@oralpowers7932]

We need hybrids legislated for new ICE vehicles to come into effect with-in the next 5 years.

[@baldisaerodynamic9692]

no we dont, we dont need government forcing anything anymore.

[@frankthecat]

It was irrational to expect us to buy these overpriced cars. Plus there has been hardly any infrastructure installed to support them.

[@Redhawk24]

Don’t think you understand what a hybrid is…

[@dylanbrod429]

​@@Redhawk24he's referring to electric cars by the way 😂

[@limitedreach4446]

@@Redhawk24Obviously he isn’t talking about the hybrids…

[@dylanbrod429]

​@@limitedreach4446Redhawk24 is dumb 😂

[@Tdzzz450]

Is the Tesla supercharger network not diffident?

[@nigee_219]

It feels like this is the 3rd or 4th time ya made this video lol

[@KirkKreifels]

Yes. But news keeps reaffirming.

[@nigee_219]

@@KirkKreifels fair enough !

[@alexsiul1142]

This is because Toyota was barely making any hybrid for a long time since 2019 due to supply chain issues. This is accumulated demand from the past few years. You will need to look at the data across the past 5+ years to see the big picture. In the vs Tesla side, Tesla had a slow ramp in Q1 with the new model3 and you can tell by their production number. On the Model Y side, many are waiting for ModelY Refresh. The living in an apartment thing is true, but this is not the whole picture when looking at specificly Toyota and Tesla

[@baldisaerodynamic9692]

model 3 also lost tax credit too.

[@alexsiul1142]

@@baldisaerodynamic9692 yes that's also a factor too. It really wasn't that long ago, Prius and RAV4 hybrid had thousands of dollars of markup, $10k even for Prime models. That wasn't demand, it was supply issue. Toyota dealership lot was Empty

[@baldisaerodynamic9692]

@@alexsiul1142 hyundai did the same, everyone did....didnt matter what kind of car it was.

[@alexsiul1142]

@@baldisaerodynamic9692 not saying it is wrong doing on Toyota's part. that's not my point. It is to remind everyone how little supply there was just a year ago, high yoy growth is an obvious result of that, there could be a slow down on EV due to many factors such as interest rate and crazy production capabilities increase in the past few years on Tesla side, but yoy growth is not a good metric in this context. I love this channel, just want to give some constructive criticism