The Irresistible Grace Of John Piper Rebutted

[@nathanburgett1599]

Breath...lol. Spot on Leighton. It's sad all the division is such a hinderance to fruitful discussion. I wouldn't listen any non Calvinist for a long time. The Holy Spirit had to show me the truth in my private study. Even then I wrestled for awhile not knowing what to do with the revelation. A couple months into my study and wrestling I wanted to make sure I wasn't alone in my understanding. I found you and connect 316 in my research. I'm really glad I did. I think if more set aside their presuppositions and allow the Spirit of truth to lead them into all truth, rather then only listening to people that agree and studying systematics we would have more unity in faith and doctrine. Love ya brother. Keep up the good work. God is using you don't be discouraged, your making a difference one person at a time. Blessings

[@nathanburgett1599]

ravissary79 like i said. Faith throughout romans is counterposed to works. By Grace through faith. Either way it isn't irresistable. God calls people to humble themselves and believe. I'm not sure the point your trying to make.

[@nathanburgett1599]

Oh ok i follow. Yes he is probably misrepresenting that faith is the gift. Though faith is a gift enabled by God through revelation. It's just not an irresistible gift forced onto people.

[@shazb.2043]

What a breath of fresh air. I just happened to stumble on to you just yesterday after having caught a few debates on KZbin. Protestant vs Catholic / Irresistible Grace vs Free Will and then "Why I'm not a Calvinist any more." I have never regarded myself as a Calvinist and don't actually know what all their beliefs are, but I've known I disagree with Baptist and Reformers when it comes to salvation. For the past 32 years since I became a Christian I have lived among Calvinists and every time I hear about God's irresistible grace and that we did nothing to contribute to our salvation, I cringe. I've been listening to MacArthur and R.C. Sproul a lot lately since I retired in June. I've enjoyed both of these men in much of their teaching about Scripture as they unfold the word of God. But no matter how many times I listen to them talk about predestination, chosen of God, selected without reason and irresistible grace I just could not bring my mind in line with theirs. I started thinking there is no one who believes the way I do until I watched a debate yesterday between Dr. Michael Brown and Dr. James White on Election, Predestination and the Will Of God. I think it was then in my searching more about Dr. Michael Brown that I found your clip on why you were not a Calvinist any longer. FINALLY!!! I've subscribed to your channel so I can put away foolish things (MacArthur and Sproul) and listen to someone who gets it. Again, God Bless your site for the breath of fresh air. It feels great to listen to someone who can articulate the things I've believed for 32 years and finally I don't cringe. (though I am somewhat cringing as I listen to these clips from Dr. John Piper. Really, has he never actually listened to what you and Dr. Brown, and as I'm finding out, some very great men who share this view. Where does he get his information that we think we don't need God, that we just one day decide to choose God on our own no help from Him? Ya, still cringing a little.) Leighton, thanks for going with your message to KZbin where many others apparently have caught on to you as well. Run well brother.

[@judylloyd7901]

"We think we don't need God and then we just decide one day to choose God on our own with no help from Him." ??? 🤔 Calvinism actually says the *opposite* to that. We *cannot* choose God on our own! Unless God changes our hearts and wills, we are *incapable* of coming to Him, and *incapable of believing* in Him. That's what *"Total depravity"* means in Calvinistic theology - the "T" of TULIP.

[@nicholascarter6543]

@Shawn Cahill Believe and repent,as God commands God does not call us to do what we can not do on our own. He will help those who need help. If you don’t need help and are not sick then that person doesn’t need a Savior;right? We either resist Him or listen with ears that hear.. If not,even what we do know will be taken from us Matthew 13:12. Every theologian knows that God is Sovereign and man has a free will. Only difference is some view that fact through different man-made theological/philosophical “concepts” that are all biblically-based. Calvinism has errors as well as Arminianism and we should remain humble in this and consider Deuteronomy 29:29 and leave this to Him and stop not be so “fixed” on a theological “concept.” Perhaps Calvinism over-estimates what God must do to save a sinner and underestimates how man is involved. Likewise,Arminianism perhaps under-estimates what God must do to save a lost sinner and over-estimates how man is involved.. No one REALLY gets it. I say this with love and not to argue 😊. Also : Matthew 13:11He replied, “You are permitted to understand the secretsa of the Kingdom of Heaven, but others are not. 12To those who listen to my teaching, more understanding will be given, and they will have an abundance of knowledge. But for those who are not listening, even what little understanding they have will be taken away from them. 13That is why I use these parables, For they look, but they don’t really see. They hear, but they don’t really listen or understand. 14This fulfills the prophecy of Isaiah that says, ‘When you hear what I say, you will not understand. When you see what I do, you will not comprehend. 15For the hearts of these people are hardened, and their ears cannot hear, and they have closed their eyes- so their eyes cannot see, and their ears cannot hear, and their hearts cannot understand, and they cannot turn to me and let me heal them.

[@nicholascarter6543]

@Shawn Cahill The point I am trying to make is that all people are INDEED “Responsible” to respond to the Light God HAS REVEALED to them. Some close their own eyes and as a result,God further hardens them. However,I would also humbly admit that God is free to over-ride someone’s “choice” for His own purposes. However,I DO NOT believe that this is ALWAYS “HOW” He operates and furthermore I think it would be pretty presumptuous to assume He does. WE CAN NOT GO ANY FURTHER THAN WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS. WE MUST LET THE TEXT SPEAK FOR ITSELF AND NOT HOLD TO OUR OPINIONS. I MAY BE WRONG ABOUT SOMETHING I MAY HAVE SAID, BUT I THINK IT IS SAFE TO SAY THAT ALL OF US ARE WRONG AT SOME POINT IN THIS “DEBATE!” The reason we have this “debate” amongst ourselves as brethren is BECAUSE WE DO NOT GET IT AND WE TRY TO RECONCILE THIS BUT WE CANNOT KNOW WHERE THE WIND BLOWS..SO WHY DO WE TRY. Deuteronomy 29:29..Proverbs 3:5

[@nicholascarter6543]

Let’s follow Jesus,not doctrine and theological concepts.

[@ChaplainDaveSparks]

Whatever you're doing, the KZbin algorithm seems to like it. Whenever a video by the Wretched channel is suggested to me and I watch it (with autoplay enabled) one of yours is *usually* next! Todd Friel and his Wretched channel seem to run in Calvinist circles, but the content is rarely promoting Calvinism, per se. "We" need a similar voice on the Traditionalist side. I don't always agree with Todd, but I can pretty much be sure he's not "candy coating" anything.

[@JohnQPublic11]

That was a wonderful exposition Leighton.

[@evelynerazohernandez9354]

It sure was.

[@DanThaSuperman1]

This is a very articulate, graceful, and enlightening video. Thank you Leighton, and please continue the great work!

[@Hebrew42Day]

Calvinists create the false dichotomy to make their case stronger.

[@nathanburgett1599]

Both sides tend to do it. I agree it would be more fruitful if everyone rightly represented others when the decide to bring up opposing beliefs.

[@laurakosch]

I don’t know Nathan. A calvinists views are often so extreme there’s no where left to go🤔 The latest wave of craziness??? Oh, you can take the mark of the beast and still go to heaven (no - revelation 12:9). They can take very clear teachings and twirl them to fit their paradigm. They love the debate itself more than anything else....

[@nicholascarter6543]

@@laurakosch yep

[@tessw9744]

One of your best, Leighton! SPOT ON! Praise God! *"That breath I just took was a gift of God!"* LMBO 😂😂😂

[@laurakosch]

Our God is wonderful, good, perfect, righteous, sovereign and just! And the traditional interpretation allows His attributes to shine brightly! God is not arbitrary in choosing some, he does not offer invitations and even plead with men (OT prophets) and long to gather them, but at the same time make the way to Himself impossible for most of creation. Calvin’s God is terrifying and unpredictable, full of doublespeak and inconsistencies.

[@zerospacer]

"God, please retroactively save my son before the foundations of the earth." [God didn't] "God, thank you for not saving my son before the foundations of the earth, you are a good God!" A God that loves your children less than you do is not the God of the bible.

[@marycollis6900]

I’m going to remember this comment and use it next time some Calvinist says they’re praying for someone to get saved.

[@losnfjslefn8857]

Very good point!

[@prayunceasingly2029]

That song is really catchy. And I have heard it like 100 times. I'm not complaining either! I enjoy it.

[@michaelyiannett4515]

Dr Flowers is really picking up speed these days! Common sense is prevailing.

[@giaarmany7329]

I came to the same conclusion w/o knowing about Cornelius or you!!!! Blessings !!!! Saved by grace!!!!

[@RTreturns]

Though the purpose of this video is refute Calvinism, one thing that stood out was we that are not Calvinists pray for God to influence a person's will in order to come to repentance. When a love one goes astray we can pray for the divine influence on that person's life. It is as if it was a word of the Lord to me even though it was not meant to be that way. Thanks for this video.

[@tessw9744]

Dr. Flowers, where do i find the version of your intro music? All i can find is the secular version.

[@Hebrew42Day]

Tess W I second that. I'd love to have the intro song

[@nathanburgett1599]

I think a friend/viewer sends them to him. I wish the maker had a channel with them though. I haven't been able to find them anywhere. Leighton mentions someone sending them to him though in one of his videos.

[@SamVanHofwegen]

Hey Dr. Flowers thanks for all the work that you do! Wanted to give the suggestion to post your Patreon Page Link in your video descriptions, would be easier for people to find it. :) God Bless you brother.

[@philipsamuel3058]

May God give us discernment. Drama and emotionalism will not replace the power of the Holy Spirit.

[@paulklenknyc]

“Pull” is a better synonym for draw than “drag.” Both are actions performed with nets.

[@redfaux74]

John Piper - "I'm a puppet!!!" 😭😫😭😫😭😂😂😂🥰😍🤩 Me - .... and you're ecstatic about that?!? 😐 I cannot see why people think he's an intellectual. If grace were irresistible there would be no words like submission, rejection OR resistable.

[@ianmcdonald8648]

thank you Leighton. Great finish. I have loved the passage of Acst 10 for a long time it is so rich and is loaded with necessary life giving Truth. Your highlighting of Cornelius fearing the Father before he was converted - born again, and the connection of it with John 6 is so clear. Can I make a one time donation?

[@Mike-hr6jz]

It’s time to call it what it really is irrational Grace.

[@Aaronservant0]

The one who listens to you listens to Me, and the one who rejects you rejects Me; and he who rejects Me rejects the One who sent Me. - Luke 10:16

[@jbishsr]

Hey Leighton, could you break these down to 20 minutes or condensed versions. It's hard for some of us to have time for your 1hr+ vids

[@timothykeith1367]

Romans 11:25-27 - the conversion of the Jews is an example of irresistible grace 'Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob and this will be my covenant with the when I take away their sins.”

[@ipaporod]

We are all born with the capacity to exercise faith on anything or any one in one way or another.JESUS SAID THAT HE HAD NEVER SEEN SUCH faith as the FAITH that the depraved centurion sinner HAD (obviously according to CALVINISM because he was a TOTALLY depraved sinner Jehovah God COULD HAVE NOT given him that faith) in Jesus Christ power to heal his daughter . AN 3 YEAR OLD CHILD TRUST HIS MOTHER AND WILL FOLLOW HIS MOTHER ANYWHERE SHE TAKES HIM AND WOULD EAT ANY SWEET THING SHE PUTS IN HIS MOUTH WITHOUT ANY DOUBTS, WHY?. BECAUSE HE HAS FAITH/TRUST IN HIS MOTHER'S LOVE AND CONCERN FOR HIS SAFETY (even animals have and exercise that trust in their parents).Did Jehovah God gave that child that faith/trust as a gift?, NO BECAUSE WE ARE ALL BORN WITH THE CAPACITY TO LOVE, HATE, HAVE MERCY/COMPASSION HAVE TRUST/FAITH AND ALL OTHER ATTRIBUTES WHICH MAKE US HUMANS.This is common KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING OF OUR HUMANITY and NOT SOME SPIRITUAL MYSTERY THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPLAIN TO US BY JEHOVAH GOD HIMSELF!. Same with a depraved sinner, HE TRUST/HAVE FAITH in Jehovah God because; 1-HE IS BORN WIT THE CAPACITY TO TRUST AND EXERCISE FAITH 2- He knows that GOD IS LOVING, MERCIFUL AND PERFECT AND THAT JEHOVAH GOD CAN NOT LIE THEREFOR THE SINNER CHOOSES TO COMPLETELY TRUST GOD AND TO BE SAVED BY JEHOVAH GOD. WHY IS HE SAVED ? HE IS SAVED BY GOD BECAUSE HE BELIEVED/TRUSTED/HAD FAITH IN JEHOVAH GOD AND NOT IN HIMSELF WITH ALL HIS OWN WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS. We don't need to be a theologian or BIBLE scholar (save your $$$) like Piper, MacArthur, Dr.James White or Dr.Leighton Flowers (although I REALLY LOVE HIS VIDEOS AND APPRECIATE HIS CONCERN FOR TRUTH) to understand the SIMPLICITY OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST!!!!.Yet I ADVICE AND ENCOURAGE ANYONE TO FURTHER HIS STUDIES IN ESCHATOLOGY, HERMENEUTIC, SOTERIOLOGY OR IN ANY OTHER AREAS WHICH HE MIGHT BE LACKING. I AM A PREACHER WHO RELY ON SIMPLE SOTERIOLOGICAL FACTS (NO FANCY THEOLOGICAL TERMS/WORDS) WHEN I PREACH TO SINNERS AND JEHOVAH GOD DOES THE REST (CONVICTS OF SIN) WITH EASE.If I would preach the Gospel according to CALVINISM and the doctrines taught in TULIP sinners would flee from me in shear TERROR (AS IF I WERE PREACHING A DOCTRINE OF DEMONS) and unbelieve!!!!!.

[@ianmcdonald8648]

You cannot bragg on humility!!! Amen - We must not bragg on humility. to do so - is not humility. The fault is with us - not with God. 1 Thess 2:13 - Paul talks about the Word of God that effectually (efficiently) works IN THOSE WHO BELIEVE. The prophet did say that God's word would not return void but would accomplish that which it is sent to do. Isa 55:11 - How would the Calvinist apply that? Heb 4:12 tells us that the Word of God is powerfully (operative, effectual-ly) . Is God's gift - irrestible? - Gifts that are imposed on those who refuse them can hardly be called gifts. Granted repentance - Acts 11:18 - granted (Gk. didomi) bestow, give, grant. Enabled: "Also in Judah the hand of God was to give them one heart to do the commandment of the king and of the princes, by the word of the LORD." 2 Chron 30:12 - the word ENABLED is not in the KJV nor in the LITV or the ASV, or Young's TL (source: esword)

[@royceronningen9934]

Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. Ezekiel 36:25-27 NKJV This happens FIRST otherwise we love the darkness rather than the light. And it is 100% God's grace, and I cannot steal His glory! I do believe we 'freely' choose Christ.. but not unless the new heart and spirit comes from God. Otherwise we just continue to fall away.. naturally and willfully. God is completely sovereign and truly has free will. But the problem is... man wants to be the sovereign.. and claim credit for something that God did. I also think a lot of people do not understand how fallen we really were... how God could come and love someone who was completely opposed to Him.. even while they were dead in sin and trespasses and be made alive in Christ. There is nothing good in our sinful nature.. nope nothing at all. Come Lord Jesus Christ! Save us from ourselves.

[@forrestershephard787]

7-point ! WoW knocked the ball out of the Park! whats a seven point Calvinist?

[@coolcatbaron]

It's an inofficial version of Calvinism by John Piper. The common 5 points of TULIP and 2 points more which are double predestination and best of possible worlds.

[@fandude7]

One can both love people AND theology. Not a zero sum game.

[@Livingingrace]

The inconsistency of calvinists and required double speak is a hindrance to evangelism in every way. Recent dealings with a hyper calvinist aka a strict particluar Baptist has shown the end state of those who are consistent in they reject evangelism totally as they believe they have no purpose in sharing the good news. The doctrines of grace (Tulip) effectively traps many in a ditch of irrational thought that ends in hopelessness if they are honest are the system. Sad to see it rising up the way it is.

[@jamestomas7333]

Living in Grace The irony is, when they do evangelize, they evangelize with the traditional voice. They speak truth, but when they get you in their pews they suddenly speak with a Calvinist voice.

[@pamelacoulter3922]

& Grace can be resisted Mr Piper. They did it back then and they do it now. Acts 7:51 You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, you do always resist the Holy Spirit: as your fathers did, so do you. Titus 2:11 For the Grace of God that bringeth Salvation hath appeared to all men.

[@Hebrew42Day]

Pamela Coulter most Calvinists are resisting grace and don't believe 1 John 3:4-9

[@mrnoedahl]

Pamela Coulter you are absolutely right. Grace can be resisted. And Christ was lifted up, so he could draw all men to himself. And He died for the sins of the whole world. The whole tulip thing can be shot down with scripture and the Calvinist know it. That is why they use all these big words and they belittle their opponents. I have even heard them twist the scriptures.

[@markrogers7546]

What an ignorant statement. Please explain your assumption.

[@dschilling03]

More human reasoning that doesn't rigorously examine the texts of scripture.

[@bobfree1226]

exactly pam

[@jeanmariechopin5080]

I'm getting worse.. it's not getting better. I'm questioning my Faith. I cry more now. Daily. I cry on my knees, screaming to God. WHY? HOW COULD YOU? I DEFENDED YOU FOR 20 YEARS.. I only recently learned Calvinism this past 6 months. I LOVED IT AT FIRST. I WAS LIKE A SPONGE! MY LIFE WAS CHANGED, I THOUGHT FOR FOREVER. I thought I had a regenerate heart before but NO! THIS WAS THE REAL THING!! I stopped cussing, I stopped watching anything offensive on TV or movies or on my phone, I was so mindful to not offend the Holy Spirit, I spoke differently, I dressed differently, I was consumed with The Holy Spirit, I KNOW I WAS. I was at so much Peace. Reading my Bible everyday, watching 3 sermons daily, taking notes. Buying books by the Reformers.. I couldn't get enough! I didn't even realize I was learning Calvinism until I was waist deep at least.. I didn't care at the time bc I didn't know the danger. I learned about John Calvin. Charles Spurgeon, Jonathan Edwards.. I was listening to John MacArthur, Steve Lawson, RC Sproul, Voddie Bachman.. then I finally understood! The Doctrine of Election and predestination came first. It took time, but I finally got it. Then there was the TULIP: T=TOTAL DEPRAVITY The first point asserts that the entire or TOTAL human being--body and soul, intellect and will, etc.--is fallen and that everyone is born spiritually dead, helpless, and passive; indeed, everyone is worse than volitionally dead or unable to desire spiritual good but is actually enslaved to sin, positively and actively hostile to the things of the Spirit U=UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION since one is born totally depraved and enslaved to sin, one's ELECTION cannot be dependent or CONTINGENT on any spiritually worthy actions one commits. According to this point, God predestines or chooses to soften the hard, sin-enslaved hearts of certain fallen individuals and liberate them from their death not because of any merit they have but despite their demerits--i.e., He ELECTS to change their hearts (and thereby join them to Christ and His saving work) DESPITE the fact that they hate God and oppose Him and have hard hearts, not soft hearts, and have sin-enslaved wills, not free wills. Thus, believers have no reason to boast about themselves or their own actions: the only thing that differentiates them from Judas, Esau, or others who never respond in faith is that God gave them grace that He withheld from such reprobates. L=LIMITED ATONEMENT This point says that while Christ's blood--indeed, His entire life, death, and resurrection--is infinitely INTENSIVE in saving power and thus unlimited in one sense, it is not infinitely EXTENSIVE and is thus limited, not universal, in the extent of its application; for while everyone CONDITIONALLY or "provisionally" shares in Christ's life, death, and resurrection (thus, if everyone believed, everyone would be joined or married to Christ), only members of Christ's body or bride or flock. I= IRRESISTIBLE (SUFFICIENT) GRACE This is virtually a synonym for Luther's slogan "grace alone" (sola gratia) and is logically implied by points "T" and "U" above. It teaches that God's INWARD CALL is perfectly EFFECTUAL or SUFFICIENT--a hard, fleshly, sinful heart need not add anything to God's grace, such as "co-operation," for this special call or grace is invincible, overpowering all hatred and melting all opposition (Calvinists cite, e.g., Jn. 3:6-8). Here Calvinists distinguish God's inward, effectual call--i.e., IRRESISTIBLE GRACE or sufficient, effective grace--from His outward call, which is simply His commandments written on tablets of stone. The latter is eminently resistible, insufficient, and ineffective to give life to a dead soul or liberate a sin-enslaved heart. P= PRESERVATION OF THE SAINTS This is not the idea that no matter what a believer does he or she cannot lose his or her salvation but the idea that " . . . He who began a good work in you will perfect it..the idea that whenever God creates faith in our hearts and thereby joins us to Christ and His saving work, He will sustain that faith, that saving relationship with Christ, causing us, by His grace, to persevere in faith. Which led me to many a conundrum.. WHY WOULD GOD CREATE MAN FOR HELL? WHY DO CALVINISTS TELL ME I HAVE NO RIGHT TO ASK GOD WHAT HE CREATES🤔 Did I mention I cry every day? On my knees to God.. I ask him why he hates me, why did he create me, I hate my life, no thank you, I hate everything he's done to me since he ORDAINED it. And he can stick it!!!!

[@pedrovaldivia7694]

Could i share another perspective of Romans 9 with you? I can send you the doc or give you the lynk to the page. It is a well reasoned explanation on what it means.

[@pedrovaldivia7694]

Please read it and let the Holy Spirit guide you! I hope that many wrong interpretations of calvinism in your head get erradicated

[@nkosibaptiste6489]

Pedro Valdivia can you share this document with me as well please. I would really appreciate it.

[@troygeddes4348]

If you take the question you ask @26:41-27:00 (about their faith) and apply it to Matthew 12:22-32 (section on Holy Spirit) you will be able to make a case against Calvinism. You will come to the conclusion that it is ACTUALLY GOD committing the blasphemy. IF in fact they are not believing the evidence that Jesus is the Son of God it is not blasphemy against Jesus it is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. So they CAN NOT believe the proof that Jesus is the Son of God because the Holy Spirit as not "enabled" they to believe what the Holy Spirit is doing through the life and ministry of Jesus. So is God committing blasphemy? If not why not? He has not caused these men to believe and in fact has caused them NOT TO BELIEVE!

[@bobfree1226]

@Awaiting a Savior i think josh makes a good point-we have free will an choose to sin, but could man have NOT SINNED in his lifetime -NO so calvanism is not the Answer josh, the only valid answer is that God allowed for the Potential of sin and evil , So HE created a plan by which .he sends all men Grace an we then in turn can Repent,and justice prevails. Those who reject have done it cause they wanted too.That eliminates the Repugnant Limited atonement with double predestination!! AND God is Always All Good and does Not decree sin in any way!!

[@jonathanesteva4265]

Can I ask you a question? God knows the end from the beginning, correct? So he knew a certain satanist would be eternally damned to hell. Why did he create him? He knew from the beginning he would be destined to hell. Or would you say “no no no God chose not to know the satanist future” or would you say “ noooo no no God is in heaven hoping that someone would pray for the salvation of the satanist and change what he has foreknown from the beginning of time” remember Jesus knew that Peter would deny him three times before the rooster crowed twice. Not only did he know but he went as far as to tell Peter that he would deny him on two different occasions. And still Peter could not resist his fate. Sound irresistible to me. But please write me back and clarify this for me. I know this isn’t exactly about irresistible GRACE but on the topic of the irresistible WILL of God. and kinda on the topic of election/predestination. Love you brother and thank you for clearing up that we just disagree on this and that we are still brothers in Christ. My wife and I are tired of being treated as heretics. I can’t tell you how many time we bring up John MacArthur and people go “ohhhhhh, you do know he’s a Calvinist right… Calvinism is a cult… they believe God sends babies to hell” then they try to describe TULIP to me but have to google what it stands for. Anyway hope to hear from you soon.

[@fasyarchery5851]

Hey leighton I challenge you to a debate on any point of Calvinism, will you except my challenge?

[@mrnoedahl]

Reformed Baptist I will

[@fasyarchery5851]

Brian Schallow when?

[@mrnoedahl]

Reformed Baptist when I am chosen

[@fasyarchery5851]

Brian Schallow i Would like to be serious about pursuing this

[@mrnoedahl]

Reformed Baptist sorry for that but I couldn't resist. How would you like to do this on line or in person if possible. I live in Dallas. Also I am just an average joe i have no formal education.

[@bobfree1226]

piper misses so many scriptural points its mid boggling. HE even says that GOD is responsible for evil. That's non -sense.

[@Hebrew42Day]

Free will passages in the Bible that prove believers can resist the truth. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. James 1:16 NKJV Do not be deceived: “Evil company corrupts good habits.” I Corinthians 15:33 NKJV Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. Galatians 6:7 NKJV Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, I Corinthians 6:9 NKJV Seeing the common theme here? And He said: “Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He, ’ and, ‘The time has drawn near.’ Therefore do not go after them. Luke 21:8 NKJV Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. I John 3:7 NKJV 1) if grace is irresistible how are saints being deceived to the point of being warned not to be deceived? 2) if we don't have free will in whether or not we are deceived, why warn believers to "test the spirits" to avoid being deceived?

[@JohnQPublic11]

Truth and facts are like Kryptonite to a Calvinist.

[@JohnQPublic11]

Ryan Gallmeier --- Sounds like incoherent gibberish to me. If, as reformed theology teaches, the Calvinist goat hating potter god is the author and cause of everything that happens and man has no libertarian free-will, which is what Luther is arguing, and *EVERYBODY's FATE* was predestined, *PRIOR to CREATION,* then the imperative mood or the indicative meaning of verses in scripture have no intelligible meaning whatsoever!

[@Hebrew42Day]

Ryan Gallmeier that's some awesome eisegeis. Almost as good as what Piper does in the video.

[@Hebrew42Day]

Ryan Gallmeier the fundamental problem with the reformation is they went back to the crooked and perverted base of Augustine instead of the pure and undefiled Christianity that we can see in the Bible. The Bible doesn't make any such presumption that mankind cannot follow the commands of God. As John Q. Stated, this eisegeis makes Jesus Christ a liar, and insane. He tells us to keep his commandments, and tells us that's how we know that we love God. If we can't keep his commandments, then he's lying and that's not how we know we love God.

[@austinross7437]

Ryan Gallmeier - Ryan Gallmeier - Luther hated himself because he could not keep the commands of God perfectly. The problem is that after the Reformation, and according to your quote, he swung the pendelum so far as to say "No one can ACTUALLY obey God. He just tells us to obey to remind us how incapable we are to obey." This is denying the Spirit that bought us, the Spirit who gives us the ability to overcome our sin and sin no more! We may choose to sin at a time or another, but that is a resistance to the power of the Spirit; we DO NOT HAVE TO live under the power of sin (Romans 8:1-2). It is simply a weak argument, and frankly is incredible. To take away the imperative nature of the warnings and commands in scripture is to strip scripture of its intended meaning.

[@truth7416]

Preachers tend to over emphasize the tenets of TULIP is like saying only take half the poison. It is still death. This is what has happened to the minds of a Calvinist and willingly! 2 Corinthians 11:4. 3 I am afraid, however, that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may be led astray from your simple and pure devotion to Christ. 4For if someone comes and proclaims a Jesus other than the One we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit than the One you received, or a different gospel than the one you accepted, you put up with it way too easily. Calvinism is a total Doctrine of Demons, another gospel and all those who promote it are guilty of being false teachers. The truth is clear to those who seek it.

[@laserfalcon]

Piper always seemed like an actor to me.

[@mememe1468]

laserfalcon he kinda looks like larry David from curb your enthusiasm

[@laurakosch]

LaserFalcon Greek for actor: hypocrite 🤔

[@judylloyd7901]

There are* alternative courses (not "there is alternative courses"). 😁

[@bobfree1226]

WHY would scripture say GOD sent his SON not to condemm but thru Him the world could be saved. SO God does NOT condemm people to HELL before they were created. Here we have GOD sending jesus that the WORLD Cosmos greek could be saved. ALL People have GODs assurance that belief in Jesus can and will save. The Jailer is a great example when he asked Paul What must i do to be saved? Believe in jesus -plain and simple.!! This is direct opposite of a calvanistic view.

[@tacticalfilmfightingacadem9200]

She was praying that God would open her son's eyes to the Gospel message so he, in his free will, accept Christ and not reject Christ which he can do. Sounds like the prayer of a heartbroken Mother pleading with God. Piper's argument is weak. Wasn't it Stephen Acts 7:51 who said to the jews why do you resist the Holy spirit? So lets look at it in a calvinist way, Mom prays for God to open her son's eyes but God says NO, I don't want him saved. One thing about Calvinists they hide the brutal realities of their Theology. They have to because many would leave the church so they use a slow boil effect to slowly indoctrinate the Calvinistic theology.

[@bobfree1226]

Why would GOD create in order to Decree the Fall. where is the Logic there.cmon GOD is Not the author of Confusion. high Calavnists like Piper say this. Senseless.

[@bobfree1226]

Piper even says God authors evil .sin,rape murder but its for all HIS Glory.hyper calvanist ,which he says he is not.really.

[@kimby468]

Grace is certainly irresistible. But don’t tell a Calvinist that…🤣😂🤣

[@truth7416]

Quote JOHN PIPER "God . . . brings about all things in accordance with his will. In other words, it isn’t just that God manages to turn the evil aspects of our world to good for those who love him; it is rather that he himself brings about these evil aspects for his glory (see Ex. 9:13-16; John 9:3) and his people’s good (see Heb. 12:3-11; James 1:2-4). This includes-as incredible and as unacceptable as it may currently seem-God’s having even brought about the Nazis’ brutality at Birkenau and Auschwitz as well as the terrible killings of Dennis Rader and even the sexual abuse of a young child . . . Quote to JOHN PIPER from the Word of God! I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel- 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse! Galatians 1:6-9 Truth in Love

[@bobfree1226]

Total Depravity.really ,then i Guess,GOD dont think that, When in ACTS he commands ALL men everywhere to repent,now thats Odd. Yet calvanists would say,well that does not mean man will really Repent,how can he, a total evil sinner cant do any good according to GOD. So Jesus when he also pleads for men to turn,and God also in the old testament many times tells men to turn ,even the wickedness of some also to turn, I find this very Problematic with calvanism. Thats because thier Premises are all wrong. Gods Grace is given to all men, when Jesus said to Nicodemus about being Lifted Up an will draw all men. Now Drawn is one thing but that does not mean all will come. We have a free will to accept Gods drawing or not!! JUDAS was drawn but He Never accepted !!

[@jennyharkin9495]

Praise GOD for inconsistent Calvinists indeed .

[@bobfree1226]

John Piper is so wrong,an says that God is responsible for Sin in many cases an Decreed the Fall an all else.

[@paulklenknyc]

Most of your videos are very engaging to listen to, but this one is impossible. I thought about and I realized it’s because John Piper talks like a crazy person. A strange affect.

[@jennypaniza7702]

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[@jamestomas7333]

I disagree with you. Yes you are to correct in Love, you are correct. But in terms of the Calvinists just being wrong, this is trivializing this issue greatly. Yes they are wrong, but it is so grandiose, that it *really is a entirely different gospel in itself* ! I know you have to be diplomatic in your position, but I think you just have to be blunt about it as well, because it is a salvatory issue in the highest regard. They are coming against Sola Christo. Of course they won't admit it, but yes they really are, their doctrine is clear on this.

[@markrogers7546]

Leighton.... you are likening the Almighty God to a man. If, as you say, God is enabling us to see the Light, aren't you therefore contradicting yourself?

[@coolcatbaron]

No, because he have the ability to reject the light.

[@Toagusful]

I wonder where all the Calvinists are with nothing to say... Hmm must be too busy waging their war on the sinner's prayer XD

[@JohnSmith-ir9wx]

Calvinism is so twisted, what a wicked religion

[@Jason.Detrick]

You're asking for people to pay to cover up the truth! You sir are twisting the words of scripture by teaching a synergistic understanding it's sad. I hope that more people will see through the nonsense that you are attempting to convey regarding Grace.

[@JohnQPublic11]

Why does the Calvinist goat hating potter god intentionally condemn innocent people to barbecue in HELL?

[@Hebrew42Day]

jason detrick the Bible is synergism. When God wanted to free the jews from the Pharoah did he work through Moses or do it alone? When God wanted to give the Jews their promised land, did he just do it, or expected them to obey and worked with Joshua to conquer that land? When God desired to save Nineveh from destruction, did he just do it, or work with Jonah? Paul in Romans 10:14 tells us that believers believe after hearing the word of truth from a preacher. In 1 Cor 3:9 Paul tells the reader that the preacher is a *fellow worker* with God. If Paul admits he's a fellow worker with God, it means Paul was a synergist! For *we are God’s fellow workers*; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. I Corinthians 3:9 NKJV

[@austinross7437]

jason detrick - All of the relationship between God and man is based off of a synergistic relationship. To deny that denies the nature of the personhood of God, the image of God in us, and the love of God toward us. Only through an aberration of scripture can someone ignore such a truth

[@Jason.Detrick]

Why do you believe people to be innocent? Do you believe that you are sinless?

[@austinross7437]

jason detrick - I believe people to be guilty of breaking God's law when they sin. The"innocent" are those who have no conscious understanding of right and wrong, which includes many people. I am not perfect, but my faith is accredited to me as righteousness in and through Jesus Christ alone. I strive through the Holy Spirit's strength to be obedient as all Christians should. What are you getting at?

[@fastlane6096]

Leighton Flowers' concept of God is atrocious! What kinda Dr. is he anyway?