South Kenton Contrasts

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

@jonniefc Thats because of the way BR resignalled the line, quite literally halving the train capacity compared to the LMS signalling system of the 1930's.

[@owenchuarbx]

So both the Class 378s and 1972 stocks had to share together.On the Watford DC /Bakerloo Line

[@bIuebitten4675]

I remember when the 72 stocks were white it brings back memories

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

@mcmotor101 The DC electrification of the Watford Line dates back to the LNWR and the WW1 era. In those days it also used a 4 rail system, which BR converted to 3rd rail in 1970.

[@mature01au]

I remember travelling on this rail line daily on my way to work back in the last 1950's from Headstone lane station to Wembley central mainly by green British Rail trains non corrie doors types the stock was mostly pre WW2 stock then used get a bus round to Peirvale to work at a place called "Sewing Silks" so time would use a cycle & ride to Harrow Weald up over Harrow on the Hill to save the fares !!

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

@bronzeonion hmm, unless there is a very special reason I think that this would be unlikely. However as I understand it the NLL platforms at Stratford can accept trains of up to 6 carriages in length, and plans for lengthening these trains by adding extra carriages are already being discussed. The ELL may also have its trains lengthened, although at a few stations selective door opening will have to be used as an alternative to platform lengthening.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

@antjeisback I assume that the power supply for the 3rd rail section south of Drayton Park was installed with enough capacity for 6 car trains when the BR trains replaced the Underground trains. Of course north of Drayton Park the overhead wire power supply was designed for more than just these trains. The Euston - Watford DC service was and still is a very different route.

[@markcf83]

Couldn't have been long before the Bakerloo line stock was refurbished.

[@harryelliott4310]

London Overground Class 378

[@harryelliott4310]

Bakerloo Line 1972 Tube Stock

[@RealCristiano]

3:01 why did the 313 have 6 carriages? I'm assuming just because of demand

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

I feel sure that it was because of a hoped-for influx of passengers during roadworks on the M1 motorway

[@oludotunjohnshowemimo434]

The 1972 mk2 had the doors painted red when they were new and unpainted to tell them apart from its 72mk1s and 1967 cousins since they all have the same design. Also the ref doors painted on the 1972mk2 helped maintainence engineers to know they were operationally different from the mk1 and 1967 stock. TfL fixed up a few ex Northern line 1972mk1 trains and coverted them to driver only operation and they still on the Bakerloo line today. Some mk2s have mk1 adaped cars mixed into the fleet possible as replacements for damaged and written off mk2 cars.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Yes, I remember seeing them as I travelled on the underground to get to school.

[@instinct_yt281]

Alas, the “North Wembley Contrasts” Film was never posted.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

@Ryan199403 I'm not really sure, but because of something I filmed in 1999 / 2000 I suspect that the trains were refurbished and painted in LU Corporate livery in the late 1990's.

[@mcmotor101]

@antjeisback the GN uses overhead wires as you probably have seen, where as the Watford line uses London Underground-esque 3rd/4th rail supply, which I assume does not quite provide enough power to run 313's to their full 'strength'. (This is an educated guess)

[@jonniefc]

siganl Ws48 @ 06:57 stays green for a while after the train has passed if i am correct?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

@HSTCalvin Have you seen my filmed showing WCML footage from 1992?

[@mcangeloslays]

1:13 The bakerloo line looks really short.

[@mature01au]

Oh yep both the Bakerloo & British rail trains ran all the way to Watford !!

[@bronzeonion]

I'd love to see an 8 car 378!

[@jack253]

Hmm The 1972 Stock doesn't seem to have DVA Announcements on it since then. When did they get them fitted?

[@danielwoodhouse8720]

Too bloody early I liked them as they were They were refurbished from 1991 - 1995

[@FART-REPELLENT]

Screw the modern age

[@danielwoodhouse8720]

on the 1972 MK 2s - why did the doors used to sqeal so loud?

[@harryelliott4310]

Birtish Railway Class 313

[@user-do2rj4sf8j]

Did the unpainted aluminium and red door bakerloo line train have a farewell tour prior to refurbishment.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

not that I remember, nor for any other line where the trains were refurbished

[@user-do2rj4sf8j]

citytransportinfo it was only for the district line i presume since that had the last unpainted with half red front train. I'd say all the unrefurbished stock is much better than the refurb version.

[@MrGriser]

The 1972 tube stock trains were probably being refurbished at the time you made the first video I know that all of them were refurbished by Easter 1995 but I'm not too sure when they first started doing them.

[@MrGriser]

0:25 No hustle alarm.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Thats a more recent innovation. Not one that welcome. Its too loud and too jarring.

[@thetransporthub]

How come te bakerloo stock don't need yellow ends when they are on national rail lines

[@SprattyHeath]

Not sure, maybe because it's not a requirement for Tube Trains to have it?

[@chrisrowe7503]

Actually I think you will find that although Network Rail still own the track London Underground have now taken over Harrow & Wealdstone, Kenton, South Kenton, North Wembley, Wembley Central, Stonebridge Park, Harlesden, Kensal Green and Queens Park stations. So technically the Bakerloo line is the most regular service on the tracks. Yellow ended trains will soon be a thing of the past anyway.

[@amjkodaz]

What year is the first shot? 2001?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

I do not know exact dates as this was not recorded at time of filming but it would have been in the mid 1990's.

[@amjkodaz]

ah I see

[@billyh88uk]

1991-1995 according to TFL's page.