Southern Mantis (Tong Long) Kung Fu with MMA and Boxing

Chow Gar Tong Long - Talking about the Hammer fist strike I learnt from training with Henry Sue
(Hammer Fist 絞槌)
南派螳螂拳與綜合武術
#kungfu #tonglong

[@milescoleman910]

I enjoyed this. I trained in SPM in London many years ago. There was as much politics there then as there is on this comment thread. ( and now with the added ‘nothing beats MMA’ additions ) One thing for sure among all of the arguing Sifu’s that I won’t name here, was that the very hard training of SPM made for very strong strikers and tough individuals. ‘ first rule of survival is adaptation, what is adaptation when being hit? In uva word, he that can take a punch offen win’ I could rattle on about MMA ( as I have trained in it and attended the first UFC in Denver ) and traditional martial arts at length. But the most important thing to note is in the name itself ‘Mixed Martial Arts’. It’s is not a new style. It is simply taking techniques from many styles that are the most effective under the given parameters and rules against another similarly governed and weighted opponent. Aside from some very advanced BJJ that doesn’t generally get used, it is all ancient traditional martial arts, just put in a blender. SPM is not a widely taught and understood style. There are very few real teachers around. It is not something that thrives in a strip mall in Boise Idaho like Karate, Kickboxing or BJJ. To train it traditionally is extremely painful. It also has very strict rules about when it is ok to use and specifically when it is ok to teach. I have witnessed that those rules are often enforced. So it stands to reason that if MMA is going through the worlds combat systems and taking the most effective moves it can find. It finds the best things from the most common practiced arts and common techniques first. Front kick, roundhouse, jab, cross, hook, uppercut, and moves toward the more selective stuff over time. Is it so hard to believe that there still might be NEW effective techniques from OLD systems that haven’t as yet been applied? Ask fighters from the early 2000’s if there were techniques that weren’t in it yet that are now common? MMA is not the be all and end all of fighting systems. But it does benefit from its huge appeal and unstructured nature that it is probably changing more and faster than any style ever has. We will yet see a Gou Choy smash one day I’m sure…. ….although it won’t be to the back of the head because of the rules,….and the fist formation won’t be an accurate and properly collapsed Phoenix eye because of the gloves, …and he may not be a fully trained practitioner of SPM in the fight because well they usually know better.

[@obscurelines]

I was there too! In the nineties. One teacher down on Mile end (people will know) and one in Tottenham Green (and somewhere south but I forget where). I trained with both but much preferred the atmosphere in Tottenham. Though I have to admit after 2 years of mantis and judo and boxing, the judo and boxing became a lifelong study and the mantis and interesting side step. I do very much value hammerfists though.

[@mdcosta21]

Paul. Excellent video. I really appreciate how you explained the authentic gow choy and then working on making it applicable to your system without loosing the power.

[@ruiguanlong77]

smdcosta it's a great strike! Worth teaching!

[@Brndndutton]

Very nice video. Great demonstration and follow thru with the terminology and application.

[@yymjyyobjka1302]

Thanks for teaching the Chinese words (Mandarin and Cantonese) both of which the Chinese may not know.

[@brianhogan6151]

So good to see you teaching cousin.

[@ecnivmarng7163]

This sifu's Chinese (both Mandarin and Cantonese) is much better than an average Chinese, coz the latter usually don't know both.

[@rainfallen1064]

With all these Kung fu awesomeness, how come no Kung fu fighters have had success in mma?

[@RG-ls2db]

Based on what i'm aware of, throat strikes are not permitted in MMA. Tong Long is not nice on peoples throats.

[@BestRiddles100]

Throat, neck , eyes, groin, pulling fingers mouth and much more It would

[@kevingatebridge3656]

@@RG-ls2db ....so Ur saying they can't fight unless they hit the throat?...what happened to their skills?...simple, they will get their ass kicked, ...Ur reason is common to all so called deadly martial arts, ...U think MMA guys don't know how to hit throats?....

[@kevingatebridge3656]

Because they can't actually fight...self defence maybe, but match fights?...they'll get their asses handed to me...these guys don't spar full contact, and they use the common excuse that it's too deadly, pathetic

[@RG-ls2db]

@@kevingatebridge3656 I'm not saying its superior, but it is indeed seriously powerful. With a combination of tong long and MMA you'd be an absolute killer in a street situation. Fuck the cage, and your temper.

[@Hector-Truth_Finder]

Thank you very much.

[@timbushnell8964]

Dip gwaat gong is essential to the mantis power... Beautiful Lesson

[@mikeyt5933]

Great knowledge. Thanks for the video 🙏🏻

[@Xur______]

This is wonderful@ would love to see more mantis stuff!

[@markb8189]

Excellent video, one of your best.

[@ruiguanlong77]

Mark B thanks Mark!

[@davida.rosales6025]

Quite interesting! I would like to see the three mantis strikes done with more power -- because unlike Wing Chun, they do have the potential to cut through in "Mike Tyson" fashion.

[@captaincrum1]

Used to do Tong Long for awhile at Winnum in Brisbane....goddamn shifu did a Gow Choy almost ripped my arm clean off haha....scary power....have you ever trained at the one at Winnum??

[@ronh2889]

SiFu Paul?

[@adriandeformosa5192]

看到連江縣的旗子，好酷。

[@ironjohn]

No sparring, a lot the coreografia. Without sparring, how will one learn to fight?

[@dmxmartialarts]

Although we are not affiliated with the people in this video. There is sparring in Nan Tong Long: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2itiaGHeb-aqtE

[@tormohafighter3957]

A demonstration is not sparring, it's a demonstration of concepts within a particular style.

[@kevingatebridge3656]

They cant

[@peytonlacroix6333]

I look for certain things when determining whether a "kung fu" artist is legit. Use of the hammer fist and axe attacks, kick slap elbow etc, is one of those things. Excellent instructional sifu

[@gordzilla9377]

May I ask what grade you achieved with Sifu Henry Sue?

[@ruiguanlong77]

yeah was blue belt with Henry back in the late 1990's

[@steveng4140]

Hardly does one ever come across Kung fu practitioners really sparring. Anyone can make a technique look applicable when the opponent is either standing stationary or “going along”. This is, in my opinion, the primary reason why Kung Fu doesn’t translate into a real fight. I’d say most of these guys would be destroyed by someone who practices Muay Thai at a legit school, due to the importance they place on sparring and realistic application

[@kevingatebridge3656]

Yep

[@kevingatebridge3656]

They're full of shit....can't actually fight but great at demos on non resisting fighters...kung Fu is mainly bullshit

[@JT-152]

Damn this guy is skilled! 🔥🙌🏽

[@karlsbikestunts]

🙏

[@ronh2889]

Nice introduction/beginners vid. Sorry but your body movements don't lie as all of your power obviously comes from your elbow from years of chy sau and the exaggerated hip movement is only shown for the benefit of newbies, and will be eventually internalised.

[@angusmcgherkinsquirt]

Canto .... Hakka ...Bris,.. G'day

[@rainfallen1064]

Why haven’t mma fighters used twisting hammer fist? Oh yeah, cuz it’s not practical and twist makes no difference.

[@TorquilBletchleySmythe]

You need to train with my SiGung, Paul Brennan, the recognised Australian Grandmaster.

[@dr.groove7957]

lol 9th degree grand master Henry Sue would destroy Paul Breanan without even blinking an eye. His is recognized by the shaolin in china as the custodian of Tong Long in Australia.

[@TorquilBletchleySmythe]

@@dr.groove7957 Henry Sue has changed his school name to Circular Tong Long after being told he is not Authorised to use the Chow Gar name.

[@TorquilBletchleySmythe]

@@dr.groove7957 also Shaolin kungfu has little to do with Southern Mantis. You are aware that there are no recognised Southern Mantis masters in China aren't you? The style has been based in Kowloon City, Hong Kong since the early. 1950's.

[@troybutcher3245]

@@dr.groove7957 Neither Henry Sue (or any of his instructors for that matter) could even knock the froth off my morning cappuccino. Paul Brennan would eat the little fraud, then floss his teeth with that cute little 9th degree (lol) golden sash.

[@troybutcher3245]

@@seky123 If I had to choose between the two, I’d definitely go with the mantis however, neither system spar or pressure test realistically. Depending on what you expect from training and your goals, nothing beats good old western boxing and Muay Thai for effective fighting and self defence skills, and you will be able to use effectively in half the time spent wasting your time on this rubbish. Most of the Mantis and Wing Chun crowd are just brainwashed into thinking you can learn to fight from training compliant drills.

[@chrissgaines5156]

Shit not practical

[@user-mf9bn1yt9d]

Mantis is an insect. It's way of explosion of power is different from human being. To imitate an insect is a stupid for martial arts.

[@nyclee9133]

It was invented 100s of years ago🤦‍♂️

[@user-mf9bn1yt9d]

@@nyclee9133 That's why it is not scientific. Modern way of practise fighting arts is much different from history.

[@SoldierDrew]

They don't move like a mantis. It was named mantis because they destroy the limbs before attacking the head, just as mantis do. I don't like the art but I do understand it.

[@thedarkyellowpages4016]

Please do not use youtube to teach ancient arts. Let them pay a price they are willing and teach only a few. It's okay if most of the world say some things aren't effective.

[@davisbarr9112]

That's not hard to do once you showed it's practical form it was just hard hitting Wing Chun plus boxing. There was a time when that was all anyone did that was alive and kicking, like assumed that you would be won over by American boxing and Bruce Lee of course you use wing Chun with boxing we can't think you'd do something other than that don't you want to be Cassius Clay and Bruce Lee when you defend yourself? Who one Earth else would you emulate? Like assumed. Obvious. If not Cassius Clay and Bruce Lee, who? No one. That's all anyone ever thought of, ever.

[@ruiguanlong77]

were you a Tong Long practitioner?

[@davisbarr9112]

@@ruiguanlong77 The only Asian I learned from was named Sin Kwong The. The rest were Americans, some military. People hate on him, Sin The, but he is the most legit name in Shaolin in my opinion because he could actually do all the chi miracle things he could jump over your head all the chi things all of it everyone else could not do,he could. His lineage of technique was weird but he was in a Shaolin family of the southern temple. Lineage is overrated skills are where it's at.

[@davisbarr9112]

@@ruiguanlong77 we witnessed Sin The escape a double arm bar by jumping through and over the two people and smashing them into each other in midair, actual dible knockout football players at University of Kentucky. His lineage technique was weird. His skill was top notch. Lineage is extremely useless. Even if I taught Kung Fu I wouldn't teach lineage I'd teach skill.