Do I NEED A Lab Scope In My Shop?!

[@FinalStopMobileAutoTech]

Scanner Danner talks about a jeep Cherokee 6cyl engine, that has spun the flywheel. In my opinion, aside from removing the transmission, there was no other way to identify the problem. I personally diagnose vehicles with a scope. I have just had a volvo with a jumped timing belt i discovered the problem with my scope in less then five minutes. Because of guys like you i have learned and gotten to where i am today in my passion of automotive diagnostics. I can feed my family comfortably because of you. Thank you for everything. KEEP THE VIDEOS COMING!!!

[@bsscards3593]

I'm the only scope user in my dealership. Uscope, pico. You inspired me and it has helped. Everyone just thinks I'm trying to be better than shop foreman, but really it helps you learn more and think about how systems work. All Honda/Acura teach is how to do continuity tests on comm lines, so that's how my foreman does it, "it's the only way." More scope vids!

[@nv1493]

Your videos have helped me tremendously. My retirement budget didn't allow me to go with Pico, but I'm very happy with the Hantek 1008c scope, cc-65 and cc-650 clamps. I know they are not as refined as the Pico, but they have helped me diagnose a lazy fuel injector and verify a bad crank sensor. I also sprung for an Autel MD808Pro and GTC 505 ignition analyzer along with assorted backprobes, leads, etc. But regardless of the diy equipment level, your sharing of knowledge has led me to learning about diagnosis rather than loading up the parts cannon. Thanks!

[@MaintenanceMan00]

Eric you’re one of the few people on this Earth I’d love to sit down with and just absorb all of your automotive knowledge.

[@jW-xz7sr]

I’m not a auto tech. I work around heavy industrial applications. I use a old fluke 123/003. For me it’s a great tool because I can see more and replace very expensive parts with almost 100% accuracy and confidence . Owning a scope forced me to learn and understand most everything at a much higher level. I plan to buy a Pico and learn even more. No,I won’t make a red cent using it, but that’s ok. I love to learn and it make me feel just plain good. When co worker give me a hard time about all the money I spend on tools I tell them it’s better then a crack habit. This is what floats my boat and back off. They back off really fast when they realize they don’t know jack and I might be a good guy to know if they ever need technical advise. Yes a good tech should own or plan to own a scope and get good with it. Electronics are only gonna get faster and more complex.

[@markm0000]

It’s been 4 years you’re probably already owning a diag service business after buying a Pico lol. Very few mechanics even want to use the one in the shop, almost none can master it to solve problems.

[@stuzman52]

It would be a good idea Eric to show some stuff about the Pico such as hookup, some settings, etc. to your audience as a lot of people are new to them and would want to learn more. And of course they would be more comfortable with their purchase of a new scope. And in this modern world of today, yes, a scope is a requirement. I would say go for the educational videos!

[@SouthMainAuto]

I am starting to see that... it has my wheel s turning in my head now :)

[@stuzman52]

It's like that movie that Kevin Costner played in called 'Field of Dreams', where a message was, "Build it and he will come." In this case, "build it and THEY will come." :))

[@Sandbag1300]

Eric, be careful here. The PicoScope Channel videos are really dry and boring. That channel has only 2.9K subscribers after several years. Stay with what you are doing and call attention to the current SMA Playlist of videos that have a Pico or other scope in them. These videos have much higher views than any PicoScope Channel dedicated video.

[@autotech1467]

It would be a huge deal for you to guide us through start to finish (what/when to look up wiring diagram, hook scope up, adjust it) in a real world setting.

[@throttletherapy9998]

I will be buying a pico scope this year and the learning curve begins , but if you could do some more detailed videos that would be great. I'm currently subscribed to scannerdanner website and that has been a tremendous help. By the way I'm doing a timing chain and actuator on a 2010 equinox 3.0 p0017 103, 000 on the clock . Love your channel, thanks

[@omahacellularsolutio]

Would definitely love some instructional videos on using a scope.

[@sympoz]

Watch some eevblog instructional videos.

[@BoltThrower321]

Become a master tech

[@dtnel]

Check out scannerdanner. I've learned it myself mainly by trial & error watching scannerdanner, watching Keith Perkins, Bernie Thompson. Best way to learn is get one, get out and use it learning one thing at a time till you get it then move to the next

[@madmechanic7976]

Just start stqbbing shit you will figure it out.

[@cobraninetysix3883]

Outstanding! A series as an introduction to scopes and basic hookups and how to use would be great!

[@samcooke2742]

Why do I have to think so much to get my truck running? In 1977 I replaced the timing chain on my 292 Ford V-8 in the parking lot of an Exxon gas station in Durham, NC. The guy had loads of Exxon awards on the walls for his superior service. I wanted to borrow a timing light to set my distributor. The owner told me that they didn't have one - they just turned the distributor until the engine ran good. My mind is stuck there - turn it until it runs good. Oscilloscopes just freeze my brain.

[@junkyota]

Most people in shops dont care and arent willing to learn how to troubleshoot things properly. I work with several people like that now, that actively fight me when i try to teach them, yet they are always surprised when they throw parts at things and it still doesnt work. They make fun of me when i pull my scope out and tell me its a waste of time, but hey, have fun with that comeback.

[@jasonc.4683]

People like that are honestly jealous of u and pure haters. Keep doing what u doing my friend. That's what separates the men from the boys and technicians from parts changers. I go through the same stuff my friend. God bless

[@Thunderroad8517]

Jason Chavez yes many of us go through it. I want to learn more about this stuff but my service writer thinks she’s a mechanic and thinks we can diagnose anything in .5. We are not trusted or respected.

[@toddthompson1970]

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[@toddthompson1970]

That was a accident now that I'm texting let me say I like the channel an really like the Pico videos thanks 4 posting

[@abdouliejallow7642]

hide your knowledge dont teach them am facing desame problem both my teachers and fellow classmates.

[@wyattoneable]

You had me at "PICO". You, Keith, Paul and Ivan made a believer out of me a year ago. But I love the continuing videos on the use of a scope. Great explanation and you know me, I'm a sponge for any knowledge towards mastering diagnostics.

[@klwthe3rd]

Honestly i never knew about Pico scopes until i started watching your channel. They seem like an extremely valuable tool to have in your shop. Customers dont want a technician to tear apart their car if they dont need to or are unsure of the problem. So with that being said, they seem to be well worth the money since it will be used many many times going forward.

[@richardostrowski6420]

Good video Eric O. I have been using a scope in one iteration or another for the past 40 years. A scope simply enables you to find your problem without having to dissect your vehicle, as you alluded to. Every year, new vehicles will be getting harder and harder to work on. This is why you need to update your diagnostic equipment and more importantly, update your knowledge through training. I applaud your efforts and the efforts of the other techs posting these videos on youtube. Keep up the great work...

[@SouthMainAuto]

Thanks Richard!

[@Thefreemans-interesting-music]

The SUN machine!!! Was trained on that thing. The machine that goes "BING". Parked it out the front and fired it up. Got a ton of customers that way.

[@franciscoromero3011]

One of the things I really love about your videos, is how you use your computers to find and fix the problems. Where in some places the only computer they use is the OBII scanner.

[@KillJD]

Pico for life. Got one in August and loving it. I'm still a noob but learning each day.

[@kellyconstenius676]

As a home bolt breaker. I watched a video of tech chasing a CAN signal problem. He hooked his scope into the OBD2 test port. You could see the problem on the scope. Instead of being mirror image of each other. You could see the interference in the signal. He found a CAN junction connector. And just unplugged connections until he saw the signal go normal. WALA it was some controller in the over head console. Boom that made me want one. I found out you can get a Hantek 1008C on Amazon for about a hundred bucks. Thats shade tree tool money right there. Came in the mail today. Have zero idea how to use it. But cant wait to start to learn on it.

[@peterreed175]

good vid eric! i’m not a mechanic. but i’m a big time diyer at home mechanic. I’ve learned so much from you. And now i’m tempted to buy a scope. I really like figuring out the real reason/ root cause of things. this video proves the need for it.

[@pauldavis5075]

We had a low paid school worker with a 70's impala back in the day. High miles, noisy, and barely ran. School vocational shop took it on. The timing chain was so loose it ate right though the timing cover. Thanks for the videos.

[@davidcomenzind8368]

WOW I'm impressed . I was a truck mech. back in the day and this new stuff blows my mind. I learn all kinds of stuff from your videos!

[@exmotorsports]

SOLD..! Personally looking back, It's hard to imagine doing the proper diagnostic without a scope..Bought my first one about 2 years ago and I ask myself, How did I ever do without it.?! It's a must have tool. Because of that, That's how I found guy's like YOU, Keith..Danner..Ivan and many more. It's all in the interest of what a scope can discover. Eric.. I would love to see a library of scope usage from you, I think it would be powerful info for us all. (: As always, Thank You and Cheers too.

[@AP9311]

Ooh yes!! Every mechanic should have one to help brush up their skills on diagnosing issues, just like ScannerDanner! Helps me to understand more and know how to do it. Thanks Eric O! Love the vid!!

[@rayolson9620]

Decided I needed a scope within the first month of watching your channel. Fantastic tools!

[@brianraglandsr.2349]

I too believe a scope is a must have in today's shop's. I know a couple tech's that dont use them and get the job done, but i believe it would make their jobs much easier + funner if they took the time to learn them. I myself use my Verus, but soon will be getting a Pico due to it's utility's like the degree measurements that you used without all the math. Plus the fact is when you go on IATN a lot of waveform's are saved from Pico which makes it easier to match up. Thanks for the video. And also i would love to see more with scope usage. Have a blessed day

[@brentowen9480]

I'm 36, in the bizz for 15 yrs...started getting interested in lab scope stuff when fellow old guy genius showed me what a Verus could do...used Verus and Snap On stuff for years...hated the only zoom out feature...just got a pico and have been totally falling behind on work out the door because I'm taking various known goods etc for experience...I own and run my own shop so that's my decision. Anyway, really enjoying the Pico and the excitement. Example: 1986 XR200: owner rebuilt topend started and ran 2 blocks (they say). I get the bike, check spark-yup good, check valve timing-easy to do (5 mins-maybe less), timing okay lash tight-set lash-no start still-When kicking over every so often it briefly fires-like 1 bang. Connect pressure transducer to cyl and secondary pickup on well plug wire-kick over and find random spark events. Remove CDI cover-find pickup not keyed onto camshaft-bolt missing, but would still spin, generating a spark. Then I look up a OEM parts diag and see that there should be a bolt on the end of cam to hold pickup in place. Keyed the pickup and replaced the bolt and fired up first kick. Finding spark timing on this and many motorcycles is hard, using a scope is the only way minus farting around all day taking things apart and hoping. This was the first time I used the Pico (luckily got it the day before).

[@dc5723]

Scopes are important! A good diagnostic scan tool and scope is an essential part of the shop plus your brains! We have a small shop so we just have 1 scope and 2 diagnostic scan tools.

[@garylollman5339]

I don't own a shop but I can totally see that too diagnose a vehicle problems. Great job and information you have promoted for having a scope.

[@scottpearsontoolsmore185]

When I was in vocational school we used the big Sun Tech I think was the name I know it was a Sun. I graduated and went to work on simi trucks and trailers no computer back then. I have through the years have had to use a computer. I went to work at a different shop and the computer systems were just starting to show up. I had to learn pretty much all the makes of engines and different software. So yes would be my answer makes life easier. Keep up the great work brother see you in the next video thanks

[@JohnRodriguesPhotographer]

I think it is a smart approach. Being a parts cannon works short term. Really fixing problems is the correct approach long-term.

[@Janisg616]

Picoscope "automotive" scopes starting at 900$ are expensive, especially for DIY enthusiasts. I have picoscope 2204a, 2 channel 10MHz scope, that costs about 130$. For me the biggest advantage compared to any other USB scope is the software, from picoscope you get the same software and features for 10 000$ scope that you get for this 130$ scope, free updates for lifetime. 2204a supports only picoscope regular software. For those new to scopes be careful not to overload and kill the scope on ignition components. Also any bench scope can be used for automotive diagnostics. In picoautomotive website you can get ideas for different sensors, and pressure transducers(and testing procedures), that you can build you self for small fraction of the price, and they will work just as good. And to build them is not much more complicated than fixing cars. If I would diagnose cars for living, I would go for 4 channel "automotive picoscope" and original accessories. "picoscope automotive" software is the same regular software + you get access to dedicated picoscope automotive forums and known good or bad waveform database. Additional extras might pay off after properly diagnosing some cars that nobody else was able to fix.

[@sympoz]

I appreciate your videos eric, your attitude is what gets work done and is what people here envy and it's what makes you appear smarter than average. Taking your time and not assuming you have the answer is actually what makes you stand out as a good mechanic.

[@dakotadomination1065]

Great video. I like the idea about learning how to hook the scopes up, and how to use them. That's why I haven't bought one yet. Just the lack of knowledge on how they work.

[@bradcullen8171]

Very well explained, got a PICO, in beginner stage, very beginner, but understand the need for it especially this day and time, and having fun trying to learn, and enjoy your videos on the scope usage

[@davidbrown1037]

Eric. I bought a Solus Pro and had it 2 weeks when I saw the need for a Lab Scope. I traded up to a Modis Ultra and find that I use the Scope & Multi Meter Functions as much and even more than the scanner functions. I am an Aircraft Maintenance Engineer and I wish that I had this tool many years ago. It would have been extremely valuable in troubleshooting intermittent "glitches" in landing gear circuits that can be too fast to catch with a meter or test light. Once you have a tool like that, you find ways to use it and wonder how you did without it before. Until you actually use one, you cannot appreciate what they CAN do.

[@mikeberry304]

Takes me back to 1979 Eric , across the pond her in the UK with the old big yellow Krypton tuning machine , showing wave forms on plugs etc , time to spend some money, you've gotta be in it to win it as they say , great video Eric , take care

[@TheDisgruntledMechanic]

Did one video with the Pico and plan to do more. I am only doing the basics just because, for now that is all I know. Would love to see you do more of the set ups. For automotive it seems to me the 4425 is the way to go!

[@chekelley6861]

You should film this repair. I just used a scope to diagnose a 7.3 powerstroke with a bad engine computer. This is one of the easiest engines to diagnose and work on but this problem absolutely kicked my ass. Broke out the scope and an old eec v pinout box I got on eBay and BAM there it was...

[@SouthMainAuto]

Sweet, I still have an EEC IV and V BOB :)

[@chekelley6861]

South Main Auto Repair I have a pico scope but my most used scope is an OTC Perception graphing multimeter that you can pick up for a couple hundred dollars. It’s OTC version of the Vantage. I love that thing.

[@SouthMainAuto]

I love my Vantage Pro too!

[@kingkong8974]

@@chekelley6861 brand new for a couple hundred? Or used?

[@chekelley6861]

kingkong8974 OTC doesn’t make the Perception anymore, you have to get them from eBay. They pop up once in awhile in really good condition. I saw one the was new in the box recently!

[@kingkong8974]

Thank God I was trained on the modus back in school. These videos on KZbin has refreshed my mind. Wish I could buy a scope for under 300 that I could use professionally

[@hightttech]

Eric, as you said, the old SUN "Engine Performance Analyzers" were awesome. I was a young mechanic, and the old geezers hated that i could make that SUN sing & dance. Scopes are absolutely more necessary than ever, unless you just sell parts with no accountability to customer. Cheers. (edit typo)

[@rtchrg440]

Absolutely! Just got a Pico in our shop.

[@LMAutoRepairs]

Great video... A scope can indeed help you to diagnose/pin point where the fault actually is... at the component or somewhere else... On your example, it is obviously even more crucial... would be nearly impossible (Without removing head cover etc..), to see the timing issue without a scope... For me, the pico PC based is not practical, and although I have a 2 channel handheld scope, which I work with on some of my videos, I am know thinking about get the scope module for my Maxisys, which is a 4 channel... as it looks quite practical and more complete as well.. Thank you for sharing!

[@mikechiodetti4482]

I know I've seen this before, but its well worth seeing again. Shortly, after I get most of my projects done, I'll be back with the Pico on my test subject, AKA the 06 Nissan Frontier, 4.0 V6. Hopefully I'll learn how to print out the waveforms for reference later on. AND I hope last summer's timing chains, guides, tensioners, water pump, tons of O'Rings will still be good allowing me to "see" the timing marks alignment. Nice Job Mr. O. Totally Professional, and as an Instructor, Totally Understandable!

[@brianwolf692009]

My problem is finances. Scopes are definitely a must have for person to get an idea where to start looking. Keep up the vids.

[@rogerdaly1087]

First off, just wanted to say thanks for the great vids !!! After seeing you use the Mini Ductor 11, I am nowthe proud owner of the Mini Ductor Venom. What a great tool to have and use. Keep sharing all your greatknowledge with the rest of us in the " Great White North "

[@schwinn434]

I really appreciate this video - i.e. not only an important discussion - but more impressively, Eric wasn’t, obviously, feeling well but forged ahead, nevertheless, to make a very interesting video. Absolutely, great work on Eric’s part!

[@erniegoram1957]

I think if you do mechanic work even as a hobby if you don't have a scope it's because you don't know you need one or know that you can use one and make your life easier mine's on order through alltwl. This is where the first time I've ever commented on any of your shows but overall I've watched a lot of your shows and you do a really good job explaining everything so that's all I got to say keep up the good work man.

[@stephendee7839]

I have not bought a "scope b/c I can't get the detailed wiring diagrams and connector layouts / pinouts that you get. I would love 2 have access to the info that would make them a usable tool for me.

[@robinsonsmotorcycleandauto3929]

In my opinion a scope is a must have tool if you wanna save time and be 100 percent correct. Great video Eric

[@johnaclark1]

I'm a professional pilot who is also a DIY'er fixing my own cars---have been for years. I also fix cars for friends and neighbors and make enough extra money to support a tool habit. Second only to picking up an Autel DS708 on craigslist I snagged a good deal on eBay for a Vantage Pro w/16.4 software. I can certainly see the value in knowing how to use a scope and have used it a fair amount so far. Being only 2-channel it's not the best scope out there but when it becomes a limitation rather than a tool I'm not using I'll upgrade. For now the component test database and 2-channel scope combination filled a need I had. If you're going to be serious about fixing cars right the first time for a paying customer I don't know how you can do without it.

[@Jpilgrim30]

Absolutely a necessity for driveability. I own four scopes myself so I don’t always have to lug out the laptop and pico scope. I have a pico 4425, otc 3840f, a uscope, and a cheap hantek scope. The uscope is a great little time saving scope for doing quick checks where you only need one channel.

[@snw56]

It's a must! I plan to purchase a Pico scope in the near future.

[@zoidberg444]

As a DIY'er who works on vehicles for friends, people i know and my wheeler dealer neighbour i got a hantek. I couldn't justify anything more. Its been fairly useful so far. I've been able to be more confident of several diagnoses that I've made and less invasive when making them. I must admit if i saw a used Pico for a reasonable price i might be tempted. I do like the features on the software.

[@jessupgraham]

Awesome video, I have been a mechanic for a heavy equipment dealer for over 15 years and the emissions have brought a need for a scope in my opinion. So any videos you can do with a scope is great. I have the Vantage pro for a starter scope in hopes to learn how to read sensors, CAN etc

[@richardmikolajczakjr5016]

That's is by far the best diagnosis I've seen you do here's your problem lady 👍

[@StephenDanielAddeo]

Funny. I just had this engine today with those codes but I could hear the chain slapping and so I didn't need a scope.

[@StevesAutoNtrucks]

yes please more on using this tool i need to learn more uses for this tool very interesting thanks

[@tracydiller4492]

Bottom line you need a scope no question, especially if your working on vehicles for a living. For the DIY it's the question am I going to use it more than once or twice a year or would it be cheaper to take it to a shop that uses a scope just about everyday. And the cost for the DIY guy's and gals to purchase a scope of course that's up to the individual, but yes in my opinion if your a professional mechanic and that's your job yes you need a scope.

[@shameelali2549]

Every shop should have a picoscope even brake shops for abs issues,if not close the doors..

[@REPOOCNITSUJ]

Great video!! I would love to see more videos like this on basic scope use. I bought a Modis Edge about 6 months ago and sadly..... it stays in its case most of the time.... I just don't know how to use it yet. I've tried some basic readings on my own truck, but I don't understand it well enough to diagnose with it yet. PLEASE MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS!!!!!! thanks a million-

[@MrAnthonyfym]

Mechanix 1033 guided component tests learn

[@dragonrider93]

I work for a commercial landscaper. Electronics have been creeping into this end of the business for a few years now. There are manufactures that now put chips in their coils to limit rpm on their weed wackers. Efi engines on the big area mower machines and big aggro equipment are all gone with computers. The last time I worked on something that had points and a condenser was 20 years ago...You remember those, points in a distributor Yea, you have to have a scope or the software today, even in my end of the biz... But that is not the problem, the cost is. I have wrenches that are 40 years old, will your scan tool work 40 years from now.........The long term cost is crazy. Thank you EPA !

[@spelunkerd]

I wish the databank at Pico had more waveforms, it's a free bank and could be very useful if techs would take the time to share details with others. They do have a few thousand waveforms and hopefully that will grow over the coming years. IATN works great for the pros but we amateurs don't have the financial resources to pay into something like that every month.

[@JOHNPHUFNAGEL]

IATN is only $20 a month that's really cheap for all the info it has available. Now Mitchel on demand or all data is outrageous

[@Mikeywil0003]

I could say the same thing about service info, and scan tools. Gotta pay the big bucks for good service info, which is not always an option for the amateur. I think were are really going to be screwed on some of these cars decades down the road, like 90's Chryslers. What are we going to do in 2036 when a DRB3 is hard to come by, and certain things can only be done with a DRB3?

[@memopat1]

Scope is a real task to use as it takes thinking Most people are pattern techs car does this do that Scope is god send if you force your self to understand it You sir (eric O) are a black belt 5th degree in matters of using a scope 🙏

[@sympoz]

So if eric is a 5th degree black belt in using a scope what does that make people like eevblog, thesignalpath and mrcarlsonslab? LOL

[@Micko350]

What does that make Keith then?! 🤣

[@chriscorts3337]

@@sympoz Grand Masters. Mr. Carlson rocks though. Electronics guru and auto technician in one. He figured out why his car would not pass tailpipe emissions and made a module to remedy a GM factory fault.

[@davidblozen9531]

after watching ivan from pa fix cars a scope is a must for a money making shop ,but a little pricy for a diy er and then you need the knowledge on how to read traces and to use pico , but for what you do a real proof of repair in as little time as possible , keep on trucking

[@normangallant9879]

Good call and saving the customer money.

[@gordonfreeman5434]

no question the lab scope is a essential tool in auto repair. Really the hangup for most techs/mechs is the price.

[@melsmobileservices4223]

Picoscope & forget the rest! As always, Eric great video & instruction about why labscopes are needed with modern vehicle repair. While I don’t currently own a picoscope due to the cost but I working on it for 2018. I have changed my business model because of you, scanner danner, pine hollow auto diagnostics, & other channels!

[@TheWallyjp]

I would love to see more videos on how to use a scope. I have thought about buying one, but I really do not know how to use one to its full potential. I learned about it quickly in school, but that is it.

[@kennyb1155]

The only tool a GM shop needs is a calculator, for totalling the bill 😉

[@skonyc3164]

Yes please more pico..these are my favorite types of videos 👍😎

[@smarshallfamily3410]

Thank you. Excellent analysis!! 1. The definition of the setting the code was very important. 2. Setting up the vertical cursor's was also very important. I agree with you, the oscilloscope provides excellent interrogative data. However, With out knowing, the conditions that set the code or under standing how to analyze the trace. I was lost. I was not sure which high pulse was used to detect cam position. Sense their is four high pulses on the end of the camshaft, Or was the should I set the cursor to the left or right of top dead center of the crank pulse. Thank,much appreciated!!! Steve Marshall

[@shaunadams3170]

We're running the two channel modis edge and the shop I work for is not sure about getting some of the tools for doing some test. All they have are the leads to it. So I've started getting things like the low amp clamp and some probes. Next I'm getting a uscope master kit

[@adammeehan828]

Gonna git the maxiscope for my autel ty so much for getting me on the autel trip. Bought a ms906bt with bore scope and now gonna get the scope as well this thing has paid for itself 10 times over from day 1 and I love it an absolute blast and got me hooked on identafix had that for a few months and don't know how I lived withoot them for so long. I have you in my ear all day long just listening to the channel while busting these knucks sir 🙂 I tip my hat 🤠 like so and say good day!

[@joeschebler6236]

I too would love to see some more basic scope usage videos...Thanks, kinda shopping around

[@elcheapo5302]

I'm just a serious DIY'r, and I'd love to have a scope. With the price of a Pico, I just don't think I understand enough about scope usage to get that kind of value out of the tool. I'll keep watching you, Keith, Danner, and Ivan in an attempt to learn though!

[@skonyc3164]

El Cheapo I'm also a diyer and I picked up a Pico this past October. I didn't know what to do with it at all. I started to watch videos and played on my own car with it. This is a must have for today's automotive diagnostics in my opinion. I still dont know much at all but everyday I learn a little more. The Pico is expensive but they do have other options out there. Start with a hantek 2 channel or a uscope. Amazon has the hantek for about $300 As a kit. Don't think about it just do it. Trust me you won't regret it.

[@JamesLee-oe7mt]

Hantek has a Knockoff version some vids on here bout how to use it. May be good for the diy and pro diy group. Probably the software isn't as streamlined but the advantage of not being a shop is we have more time to tinker...

[@jackpatteeuw9244]

The LabNation 2 channel SamrtScope is a good starting place for not a lot of money. There are other 2 channel 'scopes on Amazon for even less. These can be very useful ONCE you understand enough electronics to properly use them. If you really want a 4 channel 'scope the Rigol DS1054Z is probably the best bang for your buck ! The biggest negative is that it requires 120VAC. It is really a "bench" 'scope so one good drop would probably kill it.

[@NewLevelAuto]

Jack Patteeuw also the recording buffer makes it prohibitive for automotive as well (Rigol). However the lab nation scope is part of a project I'm working on as well and is really starting to develop into an automotive scope as well.

[@bastianfromkwhbsn8498]

Same with me unfortunately. At least I can borrow a scanner with a build in scope from work if I really need one.

[@paulabate3995]

Eric these diagnostic videos are a good idea. So many times i heard mechanics say, like yourself they have 3 or 4 scan tools. I guess its time for a scope, if you have any money left after buying all those scan tools.

[@sweatlodgegarage8195]

i don’t know what i’d do without my scope, saves so much time determining issues by quickly testing components with minimal disassembly, most definitely a worthy investment!

[@kylerf150]

10-4 on more scope videos. I would love to see more of how you go about diagnosing a problem with the help of a scope!!!! I would say in this order is why I don't have a scope.1-COST,2-LACK OF KNOW HOW,3-LACK OF WIRING SCHEMATICS/MANUALS. I have tried IDENTIFIX and it was just to expensive for me 189.00/month. Keep up the good work boss!!!!!!!!!

[@Graham_Wideman]

Wiring diagrams: www.bbbind.com/tsb-wiring-diagrams/

[@kylerf150]

Graham Wideman Thanks for that link Graham!!! Looks like a good site 😁

[@NRP1991]

Great video. I honestly think lacking knowledge myself. Working in a small engine shop LOTS of engines oems are going efi. And this honestly would come in real handy. Keep these videos coming. I just learned a TON. Thanks Eric !!

[@markd6637]

Definitely and one for the scope and you are definitely a technician and not a mechanic great work I think I'm going to get myself to Pico scope keep up the good work with the scoping on KZbin

[@JMKady76]

They're so affordable and easy to use now, it's a no brainer to have one. Though, it does seem some guys are still very comfortable doing the guess and check on the customer's dime instead of knowing what's wrong.

[@noelhernandez5829]

Hello Eric, I'm totally inclined to purchasing a lab scope after seeing videos like yours and other youtubers like Paul Danner, Ivan, Keith who also use labscopes. With todays sofisticated auto systems I've learned its a must have tool. Thanks for the videos!

[@christopherkassner8894]

A pressure transducer is a good way to rule out a mechanical issue. You can also look at the phaser operation. As you pointed out. Actuate it and measure how much it advances on the transducer wave form. Escope has the software already in it for this. But I find that scope is a little glitchy for basic use. I prefer pico for pinpoint and snap on for ease of use.

[@cobraninetysix3883]

After reading some of the comments...., maybe a series for the advanced DIY people that want to take it to the next level!

[@jcool460]

Mostly been lack of know-how for me. Not many shops get into advanced electrical diagnosing, so any learning is usually done by proactive research instead of on the job training. I'd imagine quoting is tough as well. Could get lucky and find a problem quickly or could spend hours on it you'll never get back. The investment of a scope is pretty pricey so knowing which one to get is another part of it.

[@mbs5328]

Yes. Videos on 'Basic Hookup and Usage of a Lab Scope' would be very helpful.

[@mahlerob]

It seems a lot of us are new to the lab scope. I believe we all agree on how useful they are. However, from the research I've done, I can see I need to learn a lot more before I know which one is right for me. Do I need a 1-channel or should I invest in a 4-channel even though it will cost considerably more? Do I need a scope that has automotive software or can I get by with a basic scope. I also remember you doing a diag on a car where the power steering pump pressure signal was affecting the fuel pump signal. In that one Ivan said it would have been better to use a true lab scope. I believe he was referring to the Vantage Pro not being a true scope. I hope I remembered that video correctly. Anyway, I think we really need the very basics. I really learn a lot from the way you explain and demonstrate procedures. Thanks so much for all your help.

[@josepeixoto3384]

Too bad all that electronic crap is now needed on a car; sometimes just to go get some groceries,and then park it; too expensive to make,to repair,to recycle; some' is wrong; Love your videos ,and your patience, you do it all.

[@haywardsautomotive6156]

Agree with everything and started with the Sun scope back in 1973 BOCES Auto Mechanics and that's what most garages had back then and now we have the Pico. It's the next step up from the scan tools and DVOM to allow us to diagnose quicker and with minimal disturbance. After the lab scope then the next step up is pressure transducers and accelerometers for vibration diagnosis. Bottom line is technology is rapidly advancing and you have to tool up to stay up or lose a lot of business. Soon actually already happened technology will become so advanced to stay proficient you almost have to become specialized like Keith. Being an independent shop and keeping up is a challenge and you have to research and read everything from system & component description & operation, TSBs, etc and then you need everything to make diagnosing more efficient and accurate and that would be the lab scope. Luckily between Pico, Autonerdz, and several others offer training videos and online support for those wanting to know more about how to use a lab scope prior to the purchase but buyers beware when the scope comes thru the door your sleeping days will be over for a while and the more you use it the more you'll be happy you made the investment. Start with what you can afford and then build up & e-bay has deals all the time from those that have upgraded. Great video Eric!

[@MrRandom750]

Thats it... time to get a pieco. The old timers at my shop say no need for a scope and dont waste your money. Its been a goal to be on my own someday and i see it as i need to learn and have one to get to that goal.

[@justinballard4134]

Said old timers probably don't know what CAN stands for.

[@echowhiskey2411]

Sad these old timers have no idea what a no fault tolerant network is, or terminating resistance for that matter.

[@InsideOfMyOwnMind]

Yeah but you hand em a row of carbs and they can have them synced up like no other.

[@upallnight888]

Yes they do, they know that Beer comes in a CAN.

[@Micko350]

Justin Ballard a CAN holds their beans!

[@BrandonF601]

Awesome video Sir. I cannot confidently do my job without a scope. Now the next struggle.....knowing wtf your looking at! Understanding what type of sensor your testing and what signature you should be seeing. Monday i had an 04 f150 throwing an 0012 at me, ran great, no miss history in mode 6, no negative cyl contrib. on one bank. 180k miles, code returns immediatley, no chain rattle present. With lightning quick speed i scoped both cmp's and the ckp producing beautiful waveforms before my eyes. So now what.....IATN (which iam not yet a member of) is the only resource that i know of to obtain waveforms unless our fellow KZbinrs happened to have done it. It was an out of state 19 year old from the college up the road so further diag was immediatley declined but my point being i was like 70% there but no known good to make a 100% call to drop the mic and walk away lol. That was the first time ive ever had an 00"" code on a 5.4 and had to check ckp/cmp correlation. All other times its been 0300s with chain rattles, left lower guide usually broken, and negative contrib. on one bank.

[@jerrypeal653]

I know this is an older post but thats a great idea and perhaps the use of the scanners like snap on Autel just to be able to navigate etc. for people just starting to use these tools.

[@ryleysmith6940]

Yeah, a scope is a must have. That being said, I have not found many chances to break it out. I am liking the snap on scope, it's not the best but great for a beginner. Component info is gold. Great video, If things permitted it would be great to have more videos on the scope.

[@SouthMainAuto]

Glad to hear you are using it though. You are correct the component test meter is a great source of info!

[@deepsquat600]

Yes Eric I am so old that we had a Sun scope in voctech school.

[@Bowtie41]

I could absolutely watch more hands on scope setup and usage,you rock!

[@jhuntosgarage]

Glad I didn't get the v6 in my wife's '14 Equinox, got the 2.4, no issues; YET! Good job Mr. O. Give it the full beans!

[@picoboo5048]

J. Hunto's Garage Don't want to be the bearer of bad news but those have timing chain issues as well😕

[@mikechiodetti6737]

Yes scopes are DEFINITELY a requirement, if you want to diagnose and not use the parts cannon! I'm just learning my Pico, so for me it's a slow process. Eric, when you make a change with the waveform or waveforms, please point out what "button and/or buttons" your clicking on, which helps to understand what's going on when you do this procedure.

[@shawnchadwick4943]

I have a bunch of cars that i maintain and am wondering what one I should get. And I think it is an awesome idea to show the basics of both the scanner and the scope on a rope.

[@SouthMainAuto]

My 2 favorite tools, the scope and the scope on a rope!

[@sympoz]

Get a Hantek 6074BE series III kit which has all you need, unless you have money to burn. Same capabilities more than 1/5 of the price.

[@flatratemaster]

Great Video Eric!! There are 3 scopes at the shop, and will be 4 when i get my Pico😁

[@anthonybotonis4541]

If you dont have a pico then you have a scope.... the only real time scope available is the pico👌

[@mbazzy123]

I Purchased the Maxisys Ultra this past year, it has the integrated scope in the VCM seems very robust especially for me being a advanced DIY'r. Yes please keep doing more scope vids they great learning tools.

[@NobodyAskedForThis]

In the dialog box for the measurement cursors you can manually type the degree you want the cursor at and it'll move the cursor to that point for you. So if you want it at exactly zero degrees, just type that in and the cursor will move to exactly zero.

[@mikeyhayles5544]

I have thought about getting a scope but held back because lack of knowledge in using one correctly. I've watched quite a few of your video now and you're methods and teaching are excellent. Definitely thinking more about getting one now. Cyber apple coming your way.