[TF2] Why Engineer is Hated

Some guy eagerly enlists and entails each and every exclusively enraging effects about the Engineer, Eh.
Engineer is fine and dandy all on his own. he isn't extremely powerful even with his sentry especially on offence... issue is when other people wanna partake in Engineer gaming and also join up, flooding the server with sentries everywhere so no one can push, dispensers to heal everyone else and teleporters to get them to the frontline quickly. Class limits are a solution but no one is really going to like those if they're added and making it so Engineer can't help repair or upgrade his fellow Engineer's buildings will probably lead to an excessive amount of rage and fighting with teammates.
Maybe have it be less effective if the building isn't yours? Metal repairs cost twice as much on a friends building and same thing for upgrades? I don't know man, I'm SpaceGuy the Sniper Guy not Uncle Dane the Engie Main.
Would people be down for a sub special video where I quickly give my two cents on each and every weapon in the game? Maybe so, maybe not. Comment it please because I'm indecisive.
Poopy Joe, He's in the video.
Find Him.
Time Stamp Him.
Comment Your Loadout.
Remember this acronym: PFTCR

[@BlueDragon1504]

Technically the Wrangler has a second downside in that it's not a pistol.

[@jakman8515]

it also has the upside that its the wrangler

[@seupaiaquelegordofudido5114]

you got it wrong, the pistol has a downside of not beeing the wrangler

[@ashtongiertz8728]

Something you don't realize how big a downside is until you're outside your sentry's line of sight.

[@foiledagain1914]

-cant shoot without sentry +Sentry is fucking 70 times better This is a fucking pistol, mind you

[@chitosetakaki9385]

Honestly I agree I love the pistol and I never use the wrangler for a entire game unless it's a friendly server or MvM I mean with the pistol I can shoot enemies from a distance if my sentry is destroyed and half the time when I use the wrangler I get back stabbed or sniped

[@mehriotime9467]

Poopy Joe is at 12:38 on the TV I don’t know if I would say it now, or if I won, but the loadout would be the scoper’s smoke, sir hootsalot, and the triad trinket for the sniper.

[@linusdickens4767]

My loadout would be demo with the loose cannon, the Scottish resistance, and the Scottish handshake.

[@gianluccaugolinicastro6611]

Congratulations, you done it , i hope you will appear in the next video

[@evildead8179]

Spooky Joe

[@sadrat5375]

Congrats bro, if you are the first

[@ChevalierSilver]

i like how when explaning things in the video, he is calm, and professional. But then in game he turns into "OOOOOH GET REKT" kinda of person

[@MaxenceBerrier]

Yeah... tbh that's the type of player I hate the most. Funny only for the winner, and shows a terrible personnality.

[@shrimp8752]

@@MaxenceBerrier true, unless it was just a playful jab at a friend

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

I don't know man, if you telefragged a medic who popped Kritz you'd be pretty hyped about it too.

[@yannickgrignon2473]

@@SpaceGuyOnline Yeah that was worthy of celebration

[@ferretboi3332]

@@SpaceGuyOnline I would celebrate too, that's quite the achievement

[@micahzeringue984]

Almost everybody thinks the wrangler should be nerfed somewhat.

[@somerandomnesspoo8467]

The Engineer with the wrangler is balanced, but Engineer shouldn't need the wrangler to be balanced, and it's playstyles shouldn't be this encouraged.

[@Nyxael5845]

@@somerandomnesspoo8467 You mean to tell me that pressing 2 on your keyboard to triple your Sentry's effective health and tank a massive amount of damage is balanced?

[@deyontemyers4109]

@@Nyxael5845 I mean...it makes me a worse engi...but that's simple because I feel quite stiff...idk I'm more of a D.I.Y type Engi I would love how to use the thing but for now I'll just stick to Frontier justice

[@Lizron]

@@Nyxael5845 *Laughs in Spy and Sniper

[@vyor8837]

@@Nyxael5845 you mean pressing M2 to make someone immortal is balanced?

[@whitedawn2122]

“Demo and soldier if they dont have a shotgun equipped” Guys how do i equip shotgun on demo instead of stock sticky

[@hunterholly9781]

Demo needs a Glock change my mind

[@moody1320]

The proper question to ask is, why tf would you not want to use stock stickies

[@trashmann480]

​@@moody1320 demoknight

[@pr1nc026]

"If the demo doesnt have a shotgun" excuse me?

[@deyontemyers4109]

In an alternative universe

[@thexylophone]

Space? Are you playing TF Classic instead of TF2? Where shotguns are *always watching*

[@infamoushacker4chan883]

Imagine running directly into a sentry like a complete smoothbrain and then getting mad when you die.

[@krimson8089]

4:20 This mentality honestly frustrates me. +10% damage bonus on a sentry target isn't meant for damaging, as shotgun damage bonus IS insagnificant, but it complements Widowmaker quite well as your damage mirrors your metal regen on hit, so you also have 10% more metal regen on a sentry target which actually does have an impact on your performance, especially with random bullet spread.

[@Colorsfulls]

he legit called 5/9 classes "hated"

[@FishOil_]

Pretty sure hes just stating the reasons to why they are hated by some people

[@taxevasion6309]

We're just getting started

[@LunarRoses]

You have a really great radio voice. Like if you were doing audio books I'd def keep listening to your voice. Also I'm still a fan of these style of TF2 videos. They offer alot of insight on many points and sides of being on both perspectives

[@kouchka09]

"valve making more and more updates" no

[@quintencornelissen2274]

I have never heard any one say that they hate engineer

[@absolarix]

Good 'ol SNES Donkey Kong Country BGM, let's gooo

[@thepolishtech1552]

Thank you As an engineer main i will not stop my intel party in 2Fort

[@MattNotFat]

Why (insert tf2 class that isn't medic) is hated.

[@lewismax4056]

Remember in Danes video where he talks about how to fight every class in tf2 (as engineer) (and win) where he said scouts just run into sentrys? 0:10

[@kevinb3831]

Beautiful ad placement my friend

[@legenddairy0]

wait what widowmaker deals 10% more damage if the same target as sentry?!

[@rotomfan63]

If there's one thing i've learned over this "Why class is Hated" series it's that stacked classes over like, two of that class, often leads to salt or stupid overpoweredness or both

[@VestedUTuber]

It's almost like the game is balanced around having a balanced variety of classes rather than stacking a bunch of them, and that 9v9 with one of each class is the objectively superior format.

[@grubv]

I seen every video of a class being hated including other people such class equality 👌

[@oskargrankall4551]

did you just COMPLAIN about the pomson?

[@asdasdkjasdgasdhfdfs7732]

has dispenser that team uses team: i hate engineers

[@engineergaming3412]

You said tomorrow but you posted today?

[@ink3487]

In the words of uncle dane: "mini sentry? *votekick noises*"

[@secunsecun6313]

but wasnt a Randon mvm tryhard that said that?

[@mayoblaze9715]

Personally I only ever hate sniper and pyro even a wrangled sentry falls to enough spam and the engineer that used the wrangler usually keeps his sentry in one spot and you can easily plan a way to take it down. It's the battle engine you must fear. His mini sentries are everywhere all the time and he may have revenge crits at any time. He is more dastardly than the spy and he can go from support class to Frontline fighter at a moments notice. And even then it's literally one pill or rocket to destroy a mini. Engineer is like heavy, he's only a real issue for people that don't know he's there or arent experienced or good enough to use one of his obvious counters.

[@grandtaco5066]

My guy is complaining about fighting the pomson? Are we playing the same game?

[@nonnect]

The Wrangler shield reducing repair and incoming damage by 66% just means that you are healing it as if it had that 648 hp, basically not a downside. The fact that i myself can hold against an übercharged soldier by just holding the wrangler is stupid.

[@clownplayer7265]

Engie, the only class in the entire game with a legal aimbot.

[@simonsimons1252]

Problem with engi is he relies more on the enemy team being dumb than your own skill. A good team will eat sentries for breakfast. Dispensers are rarely worth building and teleporters can be great but really depend on the map you're on, they're useless on some. He's not useful enough to make it into competitive.

[@dek5775]

But... he isn't hated tho :c he is the real enginner gaming

[@KeroTheInvincible]

a turtling and tactless tool-using.......technician?

[@Iamgizzmo]

You only make valid points

[@ryanrong495]

I seen one way too many gunslinger that I think that If everything is 30 less metal and really small then why doesnt have decreased ranged

[@DarealVinbo]

Poopy joe on dat there TV in the police engi's booth at 12:38

[@frdspa5434]

“Gabe can I have sentry” “To reliably defend an area while also being balanced?” “Yeeees” Actually stacks engineers like a boss Stalemate time

[@theoneandonlymrbones]

@@GarfieldEnjoyer1878 it kinda applies to both ctf and payload, and arguably control points

[@cadetwright6496]

@@GarfieldEnjoyer1878 was making a joke

[@theoneandonlymrbones]

@@GarfieldEnjoyer1878 ohh I thought you were talking about the occurrence of a stalemate, not the round ending in a stalemate

[@toast_eater429]

Le problem Valve?

[@cadetwright6496]

@@GarfieldEnjoyer1878 strange I thought I uploaded it

[@GiRR007]

Turtling isn't just playing defensively btw. Otherwise engineer would just be synonymous with turtling. No turtling is specifically when an engineer has his sentry RIGHT infront of him and his dispenser RIGHT behind him thus resembling a turtle in its shell.

[@idontthinktheysawthatcomin6792]

Or just having all engineers at one place with their sentries and dispensers right next to each other

[@adudewithabetsyrossflag8125]

Which is fairly easy for a spy to beat by decloaking behind the dispenser so the sentry shoots the engineer.

[@Royal_Sniper]

@@idontthinktheysawthatcomin6792 that would be a sentry nest, which is equally annoying to deal with as the enemy

[@blazesona12]

Then.... Explain why the hell spy's can still stab ya in the back even when in a corner with ya tools basically boxing ya in (which can also be destroyed by any causous player with boomstick weapons).......

[@samuelandrews1282]

I was recently playing some match on 2fort, trying out the Demoman class (I'm new to not playing Pyro for once), when TWO engineers turtled in the middle of the map, which kind of put my team on lockdown.

[@kymation]

"Why Engineer is Hated will be posted tomorrow morning, better to start the day on a high note rather than end it on one." bruh, liar

[@shentt8837]

Lmao

[@chillwiks9995]

lol

[@Sydney_Angelyt]

Timezones

[@fernandonepomuceno7148]

Yes

[@iggiloo]

Lol

[@zoz998]

People don't know how difficult an Engineer can be until an MvM wave literally has a bunch of them teleport into the map all at once with a level 3 sentry gun getting deployed immediately after they rush to their designated spot. Try and fight those robots while getting melted by a turtling Engineer bot.

[@trashman4500]

It’s funny how many of the smaller robots are a bigger bitch to deal with (uber meds, the engies you mentioned, those crit heavies in Empire Escalation) for nearly everyone. That’s another reason why I upgrade damage as a scout, I have to kill that fuckin 800 hp engie before he kills me.

[@RickJaeger]

"engie isn't hated, some people just hate engie." ~like five commenters who don't know what saying something "is hated" means.

[@AkivaB]

Every class has somone who hates it and almost always it's people who main a class that's counterd by it or toxic 9year olds

[@thegoosling8947]

What do you mean engi isn’t hated, people who play engineer and aren’t mildly overweight scouts are hated

[@RickJaeger]

@@thegoosling8947 who are you talking to.

[@antonioazulamarillo7579]

@@AkivaB As a spy main, I respect pyro mains. But I fucking despise soldier mains

[@AkivaB]

@@antonioazulamarillo7579 why?

[@mekhane.broken9678]

Engineer doesn't drag out matches, he keeps the tryhards from capping on 2fort. This is his one and only purpose in life.

[@Sonic3Knuckles]

Sorry guys, but he has a point.

[@Rumins-ja09s]

He enforces friendly 2fort maps

[@mekhane.broken9678]

@@Sonic3Knuckles with a iron fist , yes.

[@cpicy]

@@mekhane.broken9678 lmao good one

[@PleasentDddd]

I played a game with only engies. 9 sentries in intel. Every time to enemy complained, the chat was spammed with “engineer gaming”.

[@Rune.]

*runs directly toward sentry* *is confused when he dies* sentries should be renamed "scout magnets"

[@alaeriia01]

Shame I can't name my sentry.

[@omalleycaboose5937]

Well in twofort the only goal is to get the flag... as scout your normally alone in the basement when you get there and either must run away like a coward or attempt to chip of the sentry to cap. Only worked once but I still try it every time cause what the fuck else am I gonna do

[@elbowremovalservice]

you watch Uncle Dane

[@Swarkyishome]

All I know is hold W and m1

[@supremecalamitas342]

@@omalleycaboose5937 And we all know how balanced 2fort is

[@insertcreativenamehere9977]

And this is why this uncle Dane quote is important for all tf2 players: "a engi nest is never supposed to be the front line of a push but a back line where you can go to restock" quiet literally the "backbone" for defence and offence

[@igorigor3960]

most important uncle Dane's quote is: "I am very gay"

[@jackeyboy6538]

@@igorigor3960 “I aem a vriy guad sntiry men”

[@megacharizard1356]

uncle dan is very gud santa man

[@iamjustafisj]

@@megacharizard1356 ankl dain is avri gud senti me

[@theoneandonlymrbones]

Greetings, It is I, Mr. Bones. Known as a successful architect, roller coaster designer, and the creator of Mr. Bones Wild Ride. As a gentleman with a degree in engineering, I can confirm that we are generally hated by most people. However, I have a small query. What is this “TF2” you refer to in the title? Is it just your signature? I look forward to hearing your response. Cheers, Mr. Bones

[@BonesMaya]

Hi :)

[@shentt8837]

it is an videogame i think i dont know

[@Jimothywastaken]

truly?

[@RealLukifer]

@@shentt8837 no, u rong

[@theindianyouwatch]

It is a history simulator sir

[@phantomgamerxd5792]

As an Engineer main who's played 115 hours on the class, I must agree that Engineer can be annoying, but turtleing isn't a very fun way to play the class in my opinion. Engineer is also the slowest class because of the massive amount of setup required, making him unviable in competitive. I still like playing the class though.

[@Dr_Dan_]

Turtling is fun only when the entire enemy team trys to destroy you

[@evildead8179]

Sentry go brrr

[@evildead8179]

Now that engineer bots exist they will be hated even more

[@TheRealClaylex]

Yeah dude I just saw that! Bummer.

[@Pyrovision14]

Yo what?

[@theoneandonlymrbones]

@@Pyrovision14 kzbin.info/www/bejne/faXIYqOiYt6XjJo heres the video

[@piglin469]

@@Pyrovision14 OHHHHH SHIIIIIIIIIT

[@TheUltraStar]

I saw them on KZbin, but never when I actually play TF2. Are they just on 2Fort? Because I've only seen them there.

[@dr.loboto1171]

We should pay more respect to F2P turtle engies on 2fort, they prevent scunts from capping and allow us to continue enjoying the casual 2fort experience in peace.

[@dariussonofjazzlin7433]

It is Mother Nature's beautiful balancing act.

[@theradman9478]

And then they start multiplying and you have to deal with a fuck ton of them

[@samuraijackoff5354]

@@theradman9478 Even then, you are too far for them to do anything until you walk into their crib.

[@Breakaway-ic5gj]

And they can't move around otherwise they'll get destroyed because they're new

[@chitosetakaki9385]

Those are the only turtles I respect,the ones that defend the intel and sacrifice thier time in their intel room for us to dance and rave in 2fort while those scunts try cap and ruin our day

[@snackpirate_]

Engi is hated because people don’t want to switch to explosive classes

[@vyor8837]

Or stock uber

[@excretes_a_n_d8155]

It's not really that, it's the fact some of his unlocks turn him into something explosive classes can't deal with, and then much like getting reflected by a shitty Pyro because the airblast cone is the size of a semi, he can build a mini that completely fucks a rocket jump because valve thought giving it knockback was a good idea, in a game about mobility, then it literally becomes a tiring game of die to the engie kill the sentry or kill the engie die to the sentry, and then even if you are of equal enough skill level to actually overcome the engie, he can say, FUCK YOU completely to that and pull the short circuit out of his pants Do I sound jaded it's probably cause I just want to play trolldier and I'm forced to fight 8 mini sentries and 5 fucking pybros on Hightower when I just want to take a detour from my miserable life. Then ontop I have a few counter arguments Short circuit is expensive Yes but what the fuck is the point when with the mini he can kill you and get all the metal back before you even comeback Just use a shotgun What if your a trolldier, or a gunboats soldier(Me) Just jump the engie They can pull the fucking wrangler out of their anus and make the minisentry take 300 fucking damage What about demo People like to pybro the battle engie, and as I mentioned airblast is wayyyyy too forgiving nowadays and annoying And finally use the direct hit NOW I will give the other side the credit the direct hit is fun, and it's effective on the sentries, only issue being, if the sentry is being wrangled it has to take 6 FUCKING DIRECT SHIT ROCKETS HOW?!? IN THE FUCK?!? Or they can say fuck you and just yoink the short circuit In my opinion there shouldn't be unlocks completely designed to remove counters from classes, although I hate it there shouldn't be an item for soldier or demo that counters Pyro, spy shouldn't have the spy cycle, engie shouldn't be able to technically counter all classes with the wrangler by fucking making it invincible, I think the short circuit could be balanced though, make the ball less opaque and make the hitbox big enough to where it's useful and make the hitbox small enough to actually let the enemy have fun playing the fuckin video game. I'm sorry I went on a tangent, this is just my reason or at least my reason why people hate engie, he drags out serious matches and battle engies are Satan on open maps like Hightower Seriously valve what the fuck, the mini sentry is firing 7.92x22 rounds, LITERAL PISTOL ROUNDS why does it have KB when the regular sentry, it makes sense why it has KB BECAUSE ITS FIRING 24MM Have you seen a 24mm It's that one bullet that's the only thing larger than a 50.

[@vyor8837]

@@excretes_a_n_d8155 get gud

[@excretes_a_n_d8155]

@@vyor8837 XD Ik, I kinda just wanted to get a point across, I really do not like minis lol I did implicate Pyro, but tbh I don't care too much about Pyro, just they should probably fix the airblast cone I recently did an experiment, I fired a rocket that wasn't even aimed at him while standing still and Pyro could airblast it from 2 ft away, also pyros airblast recharges quite fast, I don't think they should nerf airblast too much, just redesign it? If that makes sense, I don't really know Anyway, nice dark souls gaming Sorry for sounding jaded lol

[@vyor8837]

@@excretes_a_n_d8155 minis are less annoying than level 1s . And the airblast cone is 2 meters at its widest, attacks from the side should hit the pyro without desync issues or hacking.

[@disastrousdwarf]

When fighting an Engie it feels less like fighting a player and more like just an obstacle.

[@sebastiancoar1991]

@Disastrous Dwarf. It sounds like you never fought a good engie, then again, 2Fort promotes bad habits; if you're playing an engie.

[@memoman_yt]

Yeah that me when I play medic

[@ItchyTheSwordfish]

@@memoman_ytI can relate

[@Omega-jg4oq]

Engineer is not fighter in the first place.. he is just ENGINEERING

[@elbowremovalservice]

Of course one of the best things about engie is that he teaches people cooperation. Whenever someone comes up against it, they have to coordinate, and engies work with each other when stacked.

[@mrbabbles5989]

Its just not fair that one class can stop the entire enemy team with just one tool.

[@abelkoh2723]

@@mrbabbles5989 soldier with a rocket launcher out if range

[@mrbabbles5989]

@@abelkoh2723 engineers usually hide their sentries from doing that.

[@mishagaming1075]

@@mrbabbles5989Peek and shoot.

[@Armetzger]

Why (insert one of the 9 classes) is hated. Short answer: We're all toxic and just trying to excuse poor play on the class being op. Only exception is the airblast hitbox, valve please return to the cone on front of the gun, maybe even increase it, that's way better instead of a 360 huge box that deflects out of the pro's field of view or even behind him

[@Armetzger]

@@DannyCheezits You forgot the tryhards that get angry at hoovies giving free health to enemies during a match

[@danielsurvivor1372]

@@DannyCheezits Exactly. Without Medic, Heavy can be countered by almost all classes so long as they catch heavy unrevved. And if he is revved, they can kite him by hiding behind cover/corners

[@walugusgrudenburg3068]

@@DannyCheezits Nobody hates one heavy, but have you tried playing against a stacked team of heavies and meds? It's not fun, and drags almost as much as 5 engies. (assuming the heavies know how to spycheck and stay out of sniper sightlines)

[@tigerlover2853]

There’s only one class which rightfully should be hated and that’s spy.

[@ShadowGaming-ft4fh]

@@tigerlover2853 you forgot sniper, anywhere they see is their realm

[@melon4738]

Didn’t realize how early I was Next up is gonna be something like “Why Medic is Forgotten”

[@pikachu-uk1bg]

You know, all of these why *blank* is hated videos are great. I will be looking forward to the why medic is hated!

[@Amber_Valentine]

medic hated cuz hes german

[@fractalisomega9517]

Pomson has the uber drain effect, but it's marginal at best and extremely difficult to hit with

[@Robin280497]

11:11 Holy shit, there's an actual turtle shell as cosmetic for Engie. I need this! (And unironically use it on my Battle Engie Loadout.) Edit: Ah, nevermind. It's Halloween restricted. :(

[@aneasteregg8171]

I'd disagree on the Pomson, it's annoying in concept but after the nerfs it's just too bad to be a problem. Nobody who knows what they're doing uses it because it's gimping yourself just to *maybe* annoy medics or spies. Wrangler is also really annoying and I think it should get an equalizer split, with one weapon for the shield and one weapon for the manual control. Both rebalanced to account for that of course.

[@CaptDestro]

I kinda hate the wrangler. It can tank about 8 air strike rockets.. Holy crap lol.

[@the05thatasked52]

@@CaptDestro it can also tank 5 rockets from the direct hit

[@numl4179]

How to make a "why this class is hated video": 1) Pick a class 2) Find out the skill ceiling of the chosen class and what strategies people usually use 3) Complain about these strategies and the overall gameplay of the class, don't forget to call the people trying to improve swe@ty tryh@rds

[@Rodrigo-kq3js]

g3t tr0ll3d m9

[@michaelmcarthur2944]

Yes, cry about it.

[@blehh_mae]

the ONLY people who hate engie are tryhards, i mean only someone who wants to go from point A to point B do the goals etc that damn hard would be pissed off at a class doing what theyre supposed to be doing, now if it happens a *lot* i can understand that its fair but most of the time its just tryhards being pissed that the enemy knows placement and the map better than you do

[@themastergluesniffer]

Engineer is hated because technically he’s the bot problem

[@silksongoutyet]

No no he's got a point

[@themastergluesniffer]

@@silksongoutyet he’s been the bot problem for 14 goddamn years but all of a sudden sniper copies his homework

[@naryosh_]

@@silksongoutyet i saw you ingame once

[@silksongoutyet]

@@naryosh_ Oh really? That's cool

[@bruh7196]

You did not just say pomson counters spy and medic 💀 🤡

[@avocadothecat]

Oh he did... He also implied that the Shortcircuit is worse than the Pomson lol

[@olwiz]

What valve made even with updates was right, and the turtling intentional- at least thats how the game was meant to be played and how it shouldve worked; Heck they buffed engineer because players got so much better the stallwall/turtling impact of engineers wasnt there anymore. Unlike what comp players praise and prefer this does push for more teamwork- dont get me wrong, comp do teamwork and have to, but their preferences and playstyle puts a lot more focus on individual skill (alongside said teamwork) then what and how tf2 was designed towards. From maps to objectives the game was entirely designed around push-stops, those walls creating highlight moments where the teams need to work together more- and the infamous unlockables were meant to nerf show stopper powerhouses (demo and soldiers on good hands wreck engies) and add to the dance of teams rethinking things together- some things were meant to request more spies, and if the opposing team did well with spies then engies switching to anti-spy loadouts... this sort of thing, counters to counters could/should work with that. The real problems: -the game also wasnt designed for 12 vs 12 -they never solved the issues of class stacking nor implemented limits they should`ve, engineer stacking the worse offender -they overestimated a bit how much the (really good, on paper) design would actually push pubbers to cooperate more -they underestimated how much ego and skillbased focus would push so many players against the cores of the game -...and they couldnt account for skill gaps proper (wich is near impossible btw) Heck even on practice their choices kinda work. Even in the worse no communications barely any effort/coordination full pubs ive seen the invisible nudges of the design making players swithing classes and loadouts and overcoming even some stacked unbalanced holds (with some luck and skill or mistakes from the enemy helping) - wich is how it was meant to happen. Given some time(left on the round), if half of one team isnt going friendly dumb it works The reason why its so rare is something else- skill gap. The whole thing works almost flawlesly with noobs to pros if everyone is about the same page, but the skill gap in this game is so huge it throws it all out of the window Also most criticism ignores that both sides are meant to switch classes and loadout as needed. Spies and pyros are also part of the game. They gave scout a 'trick sentry'-cola for a reason. Ubers were always meant to be one of the main highlights matches are draw around but never the only trumph card either- but then we have spies who only know(or barely know) backstab and never time sappers, soldiers and demos that refuse to change classes and complaim they cant just spam their way foward...

[@hazardbastard9422]

12:38 poopy joe is on the tv screen. Edit: I was a little late, but it was still fun.

[@jakman8515]

I feel like Engineer is the most balanced class in the game because the class has many counters and the sentry gun takes atleast 30 seconds not including those seconds where you would have to collect metal and the sentry gun has limited range so the Engineer would have to place the sentry in an optimal position

[@metalgearlikersupreme]

Man you know you're stretching for material when you say the pomson is unfair to fight against

[@mertcansavetf2484]

how to destroy the happines of the server: 1:make an engineer camp on corner with every stuff and turtle 2.when enemies got ubered to kill you use wrangler but if doesnt defend more rescue ranger sentry 3.taunt 4.profit

[@elbowremovalservice]

You forgot sniper. And Pyro.

[@Neighsayin]

While I do like Engineer on a base level the one weapon I can never get behind is the mini. It just seems to be there to be the most annoying thing ever. You turn a corner and suddenly you're being pelted rapidly by a decently damaging pea shooter hidden in a bush. While it is technically a different way to play engie....it just makes me wonder who thought that it was a good idea? Like....okay yes its fun to plop it down and not have to worry about. And it has lower health and isn't as damaging as a level 2 or 3 sentry. But the rate which they can be constantly put down as well as its very fast fire rate make it bothersome to deal with. I heavily use the Direct Hit if I see mini engies. I think of it as a mini deleter. But outside of Demos, Soldiers, sometimes snipers, and sometimes heavies they seem annoying. Spy can counter it but if you sap it the engi knows a spy is near his mini if hes paying attention. As well as the other team if they see it being sapped. Scout unless he has a wall he can duck behind is hard pressed with dealing with them....Medic can probably hide behind a team mate. My main point is I simply just do not like how simply annoying they come off as.

[@jackofallmains4038]

Good job man! Keep up the work!

[@cubecemcutrelhos4618]

Early. Haha lmao how original

[@zenloks_1735]

i think this series is just to point out things thats annoying like about a certain class, not genuine problems that needs to be fixed since i think people take these point a bit too seriusly

[@dioniscaraus6124]

Taking things seriously just means people are passionate about the game and want it to better.

[@johnmarston3264]

To be fair, the sentry is designed for area denial and It does well in that regard for any unaware enemies or any enemy that isn’t a soldier or demoman.

[@Teixas666]

usually is engineer stacking is a problem its generall comes down ot an issue in map design that make unreachable sentries possible. this is a common problem in the older maps like dustbowl where you have many spots where not only is a gun difficult ot reach while having long lines of sight, but said spots are in places there one side has spawn advatange(all 3 stages of dustobwl defense are bs for this, th defenders have a huge advantage on last + the abiltiy ot stack guns unpunished...its not a conicidience that you get nearly 20 mins ot attack dusbowl last.)

[@Senku05]

Honestly out of all the classes, the ones I cant hate are Engies and Heavies. Heavies play style is limited and has weaknesses when it comes to stuffing out long range classes and also trying to focus on spies. Engies on the other hand need to take time out of playing the objective to setup and make sure their position is helping themselves and their team. Minis arent really annoying as long as you can spot them out and learn to respect their area when the engi is still alive. It's not as annoying as a Soldier or Demo that has a medic boosting them.

[@veajakorobearej1369]

The fun play style engie can offer is huge. Like 2fort roof near enemy balcony sentry Or enemy intell sentry

[@anotherhoppou6128]

A single engine is a turtle, two is a cowboy partnership, anything higher than 3 is a nest, and with each new engineer added the difficulty of removing is exponential

[@puppyking314]

Although I'm a engie main, I can't argue how broken and stupid engie is.

[@jackofallmains4038]

@@TheFalseShepphard Shut up. Just because someone plays a class doesn't mean they are a copy. That's like saying if you enjoy acting, you are a Leonardo DiCaprio copy. Even if he is a fan of Uncle Dane, could you say to someone with absolutely no remorse that someone shouldn't play something they enjoy because a community figure encouraged them to play a class? I don't think you could, and if you say you can you are either lying or just being a dick. TL:DR Be quiet, Let people play engineer, soldier, etc. WITHOUT it being considered being a shill.

[@YugiMomo]

Honestly only thing I find busted about engi is wrangler, RR, and short circuit and how much they invalidate of other classes

[@raul1476]

@@YugiMomo I only use the pistol can I pls get my chad engineer card?

[@yeyo1019]

@@YugiMomo the short circuit is only really a problem on payload though

[@thexylophone]

@@TheFalseShepphard sond smit wana bee

[@LARAUJO_0]

2:02 I like how you say this as if the game actually gets gameplay updates nowadays

[@Imirui]

0:04 I’m not sure how you didn’t expect a sentry in the intel room.

[@terrypennington2519]

I've been an Engie main ever since the day I picked up TF2 in 2011. Honestly, can't complain much about 'em. Never found him to be an annoying class to fight. To me, he's always been a class that is so perfectly designed to operate WITH his team. Honestly in my opinion, I think he is the most perfectly balanced all around class in tf2. He has his pros, and he has his cons. Engie stacking can be a problem, but that encourages teams to gather up, which in turn leads to healthy and fun gameplay. Engie literally forces teams to coordinate, and that is why I love him so much. When I play Engie, I feel like I'm the brains of the team, the guy that makes sure everyone is in their place and doing their best at where they should be. The top scoring Heavy with a pocket med might always be top scoring, and be seen as the team captain, but us Engie mains all really know who carried the team ;). After all, who was it they ran back to when they had no health and ammo? Who was it they ran back to when the enemy was right on their tails? Who was it they ran back to when they needed to build up a push? Who was it they called upon when they needed to get to the frontlines ASAP? Now the only thing I think really needs some tweaking is Engie's wrangler. That thing can piss right off to hell. Ain't no damn reason a lvl 3 sentry should be able to tank 6 Direct Hit rockets just because an Engie pressed 2 on his keyboard.

[@jking4854]

Funny how when you do these videos, you show footage of you playing how you complain annoying classes play.

[@Crusty_Sword]

I remember watching tf2 back in the day before I even had a pc I loved to watch engineer set up and just fighting I found engineer so interesting.

[@LiterallyRyan_Gosling]

Heavy: I have to worry about being shot by a sniper, getting backstabbed, protecting my team from bullets, worry about my ammo, *stressss* Engineer: *builds sentry, sits down and grabs a beer* Life o' Riley

[@random_me666]

Out of all the classes, I gotta give engineers the most respect for their kills.

[@evanrice7668]

getting a kill on an experienced player as engineer is one of, if not the most rewarding things that you can do, knowing that your sentry placement and shotgun aim is what got you that kill

[@JohnFortniteKennedy_]

Yep, and theres like four babies you have to take care of

[@medicgaming9117]

The pomson is such a bad weapon that it feels awesome to get a kill with it, and when the enemy gets salty you can use the ‘died to the pomson, got angry’ insult

[@TerribleTamato]

One of the things I find really annoying about the FJ is how often battle engineers will play with 10 crits in their back pocket from a mini sentry downed 3 minutes ago, and turtle engineers who will (at least try to) go on a rampage with it once their gun goes down and they earn 30 crits. My proposition: Crit decay. crits stored up in a sentry and in the gun will slowly be lost, at around 15-30 seconds for each crit, which would encourage engineers to make the most of their crit lode and do something with it instead of waiting around for a scout 5 minutes later to try and flank him and be met with a glowing red/blu surprise.

[@raul1476]

Aaaaand it's useless Thinking just like valve huh?

[@user-yu1mg5lz1v]

I'd say it would just put pressure on the player to run into the enemy team and die

[@blacklight683]

10:55 I played 1 game like that and it was the second best game in my life and I sill remember it

[@heavy_weapons_guy7330]

10:03 the idea of a demoman with a shotgun sounds so cursed

[@sentry_repair_mann]

It was in Team Fortress Classic

[@chilldogs1881]

Sentry going up. Sixth person noice

[@jackofallmains4038]

Dispenser going up!

[@dom-hx7ki]

Teleporter going up!

[@jackofallmains4038]

Gotta move that gear up!

[@bobbycrofts9241]

There's a spy around here!

[@dom-hx7ki]

Heavy load comin through!

[@ipeealot_o9550]

Engi is like that one Blastoise with steroids

[@Azergyne_golden_rotation]

No because i dont run into sentrys i listen for sentdys and peak. Quick im not every new scout ever

[@nathadniel5790]

12:38 monky :)

[@chilldogs1881]

Bruh u havent watched the vidio it was posted 3 mins ago

[@nathadniel5790]

@@chilldogs1881 im sorry bro... but i im on dat grind

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

Loadout time

[@nathadniel5790]

@@SpaceGuyOnline for what class?

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

@@nathadniel5790 any my guy, if you have painted cosmetics too let me know.

[@appliedatoms7066]

Here's an idea. What if only some wrenches had the potential for cooperative engineering. The gunslinger is a decent option since turtling is most effective on defense, but I could also see the eureka effect as an option.

[@elbowremovalservice]

You have a lot of points, but the video is fundamentally flawed. I like the discussion, and I like a lot of the content, but you're essentially just listing that engie can kill things (Wrangler excluded). For each thing engie counters, engie is countered.

[@gamer9720]

The point of the video is that while an Engineer on his own is a great supplement for a well-rounded team, multiple Engineers require a disproportionate amount of effort to take care of.

[@Joestarrrrrr]

once when i played as engi, the entire team was engi and we camped at the intel and started doing the katzotscky kick

[@coiners9426]

now this is what i call an engineer gaming moment

[@downer2846]

Engineer is completely balanced considering a demo, soldier, and spy can undo everything he has done easily

[@deyontemyers4109]

A crit wrench can undo the spy

[@avocadothecat]

@@deyontemyers4109 So can an Ubersaw what's your point?

[@deyontemyers4109]

@@avocadothecat Well this is a conversation about engi fighting spy soilder or demo and I lost count how many times I shut down a spy with a crit wrench

[@avocadothecat]

@@deyontemyers4109 ah yea... Crit wrenches are a beast

[@howard7318]

@@deyontemyers4109 Spy is such an unbalanced class that he's not even a hard counter to a good engineer

[@foxskie]

I'm surprised Engie wasn't closer to the start, I've gotten more hate while playing this class than any other.

[@brucehalden6148]

One of my favorite things to do in TF2 is to use the jag and treat the sentry as a pseudo mini sentry. Is it less effective of a combat engi load out? Maybe. Is it fun to just spam second level sentries? Yes

[@chitosetakaki9385]

Scout:HAHA I CAN WRECK U CHUCKLEHEAD NERD Engineer:say hello to my little gun Scouts brain:Oh it's just a level 1 haha I can easily destroy that Engineer:Its a mini It was at that moment he knew He fucked up I like to think this is what Scouts do when fighting a battle engineer and that the Scouts think its a slow level 1 only to realise its a mini but its already to late But really why does every scout just run in even when they see the mini and even when they know its a mini and yet they still just try why?

[@blacklight683]

5:50 I will go engineer in this case but some games doesn't have engineer or medic and am there like hmmm keep my teammates alive or Teleport them when thay die🤔mostly I go engineer because most my teammates die but when I see a real good player I try to uber them and help them (but not poket them)

[@ralseithelonely]

Wrangler con: Passive -50% sentry range 5 seconds of sentry shield on wrangler draw and holster

[@btf_flotsam478]

When you were discussing an untapped and under-utilized thing for the Short Circuit, I thought you would discuss stopping flares from setting everyone on fire or stopping Jarate and Mad Milk bottles from doing their things.

[@chitosetakaki9385]

Well i mean I think the reason why is because of negativity bias oh well

[@cryonics4566]

I had no idea short circuit stopped jarate/milk. Some potential there.

[@davitdavid7165]

I feel like every class is ewsy to beat if you make mistakes and verry annoying to fight if they are competent. And new players can abuse some of their easyer aspects or just catch you of guard. Because of this, i feel like hating a particular class disproportianally is kinda unhealthy.