[TF2] The Smash Fortress Tier List

[@alexro2725]

The modding community is something else

[@beeberbonberber]

Hell yeah tha modding community is something else although I feel like this specific game mode is probably relatively easy to implement

[@JackfromIreland]

Can we all talk about how this guy recreated the smash 64 intro?

[@skibidiBus]

Space guy has gotten amazing at SFM

[@claustofobia6086]

It's so GOOD

[@orangehatretro]

Best intro

[@tower_defense_enjoyer]

​@@orangehatretroyes

[@stonkypig]

@@tower_defense_enjoyerhey man I went down the road of anti furry pfp and it’s not a good road. Crap on the toxic furries and not every furry. I’m not necessarily pro-furry, but I’m not anti-furry either. Think about your profile picture.

[@C0DY420]

Since sniper can’t headshot in this game, the Sydney sleeper is a straight upgrade because it’s one downside of no headshots is negated

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

Sydney Sleeper fires rockets like the Bazaar Bargain and such meaning its an entirely different weapon

[@JrdnKritz]

@@SpaceGuyOnline iirc you said that sydney sleeper is one of the hitscan sniper rifles and said only bazaar and hitmans shoots rockets i.e 25:51 and 26:52

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

@@JrdnKritz thats a correction slated even in the description of the video, the gamemode got updated partially midway through the video resulting in the change, it used to fire its normal hitscan bullets but was changed to the rockets

[@JrdnKritz]

@@SpaceGuyOnline oh, i didnt read the description, thanks for the clarification

[@isenokami7810]

The Hot Hand was created solely for this opening bit to exist.

[@Ikaros-fo5cb]

The porygon reference is because in gen one battles there is a very strict meta but porygon can still be good in very specific situations

[@ShadeVial]

more specificity while being overall a kinda bad pokemon, due to some certain damage thresholds and a bit of gen 1s terrible code it can wall the SS tier must run insane snorlax. Being able to out heal body slams with recover and not being able to be paralyzed due to paralyze chance on moves being programed weird and instead of needing to be electric type you are immune if you share a type with the move. And body slams 30% chance to paralyze cutting your speed in half and making every move a coin flip along with being a permeant status effect it is a major part of the metagame. Also normal types in general are just busted as fighting type moves basically do not exist (there are like, 2 that can hit for super effective and one deals self damage and is like less then 60 base power and the other only one pokemon even learns) and literally the only ghost type is gengar. Who is only okay since the only damaging ghost type move is lick at 20 power and is physical attack. Gen 1 is weird.

[@dontKILLmyCAT]

shout outs BigYellow for teaching this shit

[@Ikaros-fo5cb]

@@dontKILLmyCAT I like to watch reverent for that stuff

[@Ikaros-fo5cb]

@@ShadeVial also thanks for going into more detail

[@coffeeluci]

I feel like that much is obvious from the phrasing, but the specifics of it being good against specific Snorlax builds is not very obvious.

[@SirCap]

Me, a Medic Main: “I’m sure Med will be mid to low tier. Like yeah, Uber is powerful, but…” *finishes the video* “Oh.”

[@lucianogastonbuetdelgado7670]

German science best science

[@mariustan9275]

@@lucianogastonbuetdelgado7670 I think you mean: GERMAN SCIENCE IS THE GREATEST SCEINCE IN THE WORLD!

[@filelost9194]

​@@mariustan9275For me it was "GERMAN SCIENCE IS THE WORLD'S FINEST!"

[@Speedster428]

Me a spy main expecting him to be bottom tier

[@TransnestianLily]

Deutschland für immer

[@reubenbailey7491]

Duude, the recreation of the smash 64 intro (apart from the camera not zooming in on the gloves when he counts down, C'MAWWWN) in the beginning was QUALITY

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

Master Hand also snaps his fucking fingers with his index instead of his middle finger which looks so jarring to me

[@anthonyriego659]

The two things i love about this vid: 1. The recreation of the SSB64 intro is perfect 2. SpaceGuy complaining about Dipping Dots

[@theglitch0870]

Also, the Rocket Jump Waltz remix during the Soldier section!

[@heybro4000]

Uncalled for diss on dippin dots. Its the ice cream of the future, not their fault everyone is stuck in the past

[@JackNick2000]

Having never heard about this game mode before, I will assume this is an April Fools video Edit: it is not an April Fools joke

[@FIVEBASKET]

It's not

[@jimmybuba2683]

It's real gaem!

[@UFO_MAN]

I grew up on super smash brothers for the 64, that intro was truly masterful.

[@alejandropetit6573]

Thossmash renders that you put for every character at the end of their description are so amazing they could easily make someone think they are official renders, amazing job to whoever made then. Also I feel personally attacked by the gen 1 porygon joke as one of the 4 people that has actually seen it in action

[@GritterTheBuckethead]

Nice how with the exception of Vs Saxton Hale, Pyro seems to have a knack of getting into top tier.

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

Update, pyro’s viable now, not top tier though

[@GritterTheBuckethead]

@@Aaa-vp6ug He definitely needed the airblast buff.

[@villagemarauder]

33:51 the fact that recover had 20pp (which is brought to 32 with pp ups) was ridiculous, but I'm glad my boy had something.

[@lurien1386]

Seeing one of my favorite KZbinrs make a video about one of my favorite games is perfect.

[@trystanreadman1764]

35:10 "scout is an exceptional harasser" oh how right you could be

[@sythrus]

Dont worry, at the very least I understand the porygon reference. "Snorlax's fear him!"

[@jakedoesyoutube]

The only difference between engineer in smash fortress and dippin dots is that dippin dots has the banana split flavor which is absolute fire.

[@captainbosspigreaperkaiser6809]

Medic in this game mode: I just not support the violence. I am the violence.

[@isenokami7810]

I think the ratings on the three core stats you gave for the Engie segment would’ve been nice to have for the other classes too. Great way to show how terrible Engie is in a single shot, but it’s good to have the data on everyone else too.

[@elijosc1963]

33:55 people running Porgon in gen 1 ou when 5 other pokemon not named snorlax exist

[@jackyfudge5115]

Amazing video, I just wanted because I see no one else has apparently. Compliment you on the alliteration, truly thorough. Also 36:23 is goofy where that guy randomly has 20 million damage

[@Mister.Scotty]

Man right now I’m my bed suffering from COVID 19 and your video is making it better so thanks.

[@woodenaiden2054]

so you're telling me that Demoman is basically just Marth? Sign me up!

[@JackieKog]

The Dippin' Dots visual on the thumbnail autoplay made me think that this was an april fools' joke

[@potato1341]

I always had an internal sorta tier list for a TF2 character's eligibility to be part of the smash roster. SSS tier- Demoman. S tier- Soldier, Pyro A tier- Heavy, Scout D tier- Spy F tier- Sniper, Engineer, Medic I had rationales for each tier but basically I reasoned with which characters could have a standard TF2 true-to-form inclusion in Smash what DIDN'T break any traditional smash rules. I rank Demoman as the clear winner cause of his sheer versatility, melee and ranged. He doesn't use a traditional "gun" so his character wouldn't be reliant on a gun which, despite a handful of appearances in smash, wouldn't seem to bode over well with the cast as a whole. Hell, he almost seems made for smash, there's a good number of possibilities with demoman's moveset, he could be a sword user with good range, a brawler with his bottle or a projectile spammer. He has easily the most options for a potential recovery between sticky jumping, shield charging, loose canon jumping etc. and I feel he'd be able to perfectly replicate the playstyle from TF2 into smash. Soldier and pyro are close, in all honesty, probably tied for second. Both don't use traditional guns as their primary, both have movement options and both have a variety of melee weapons which would give a smash dev LOTS of choice for their move kit. Both have obvious recovery option and a decent variety of weapons which keep true to form. I'd imagine some things would need changing, like Pyro's reliance on DoT, but both of them seem like solid choices. A tier, heavy and scout, while very different, I feel could work. Heavy is mostly cause he's iconic, despite the fact he doesn't seem like smash material, I could see them working around him. They'd likely want to limit his reliance on minigun-style weapons but he could probably keep it, even if guns aren't the game's forte. Scout I feel would be the actual better choice of the two, even if both of them would be heavily reliant on guns and buffs via drinks/lunchbox items and their melees being a bit more basic, both of them have some value. Spy is... Somehow not the worst choice. He has a gun and a knife, which would compliment his move set, but he's simply not a 1v1 character. His place is in a team-based game, spy wouldn't be able to keep most the things that are spy-like. Invis wouldn't really help, his disguise if kept true to game wouldn't accomplish anything and most his gimmicks like dead ringer just wouldn't work. Finally, F tier, the characters who I think would be detrimental to smash if in the game and kept true to form. Engineer, don't need to say much. Campy, linear, supposed to be a team player and I could see him being a poor choice. Completely reliant on guns and sentries, I could see him having cool gimmicks like metal and teleporters but just putting a sentry up, using a shotgun and using a teleporter? I'd hate to even try to fight him. Sniper, even more campy and linear without the cool things engineer has. He'd have to have a sniper or a bow and his kukri. He'd just be a projectile/range spammy character with high damage, low movement options and jarate. And Medic, I wanted to save the worst till last, Medic would simply be a godawful character. Syringe gun, no. Crossbow, no. MEDIGUN, NO. He'd be either the worst character in the game cause he's not made for offence or the best cause if you have him as a double's partner, he heals his teammate and gives them literal invincibility every few seconds. He's a supplement, maybe a character to add onto another character like if you wanted to make a soldier-medic or heavy-medic combo like the ice climbers where one does the damage and medic follows and heals, which would be a dope af concept, but under the assumption that these are stand alone characters, medic is the worst.

[@gameingtothemax6266]

medic and engineer would be better as assist trophies.

[@NeoPlatz]

Spy would just be worst Joker in smash bros 😂.

[@isenokami7810]

I could see the Medic as an assist trophy, definitely not fighter material though.

[@ThingInTheHall]

Battle Engie might work, and Huntsman Sniper is a more mobile option. Sniper prolly wouldnt work, but i can a Gunslinger Engie workinh

[@anaceattorneyfangreatgame9770]

The Frontier Justice. *Shows picture of Rescue Ranger*

[@ender3530]

That introduction was honestly incredible. Great video overall

[@jerielrocket1]

why did i looks at the cover for this video and immediately think smash for trees

[@tatt8609]

22:35 THERE I AM GARY THERE I AM

[@Speedster428]

Nice

[@ShockInazuma]

That intro was fire. Also, as someone who has tried Dippin' Dots, personally I don’t think they’re as horrible as it’s let on to be.

[@ThatOneMan830]

I love these tier lists because they introduce me to all these interesting game modes. Once I finish taking a break from TF2 I’ll definitely check some of them out.

[@pdimp3573]

i love how pyro is just what he normaly is times 50

[@Uhhhhhhhhhhh6]

Hmph Hmm Hmm!

[@johnmcswag5980]

33:54 I did not expect a reference to the niche use porygon has as a snorlax check in gen 1 rby OU in a smash tf2 video but im glad I did

[@aBlackMage]

The editing in this video is crazy, especially the intro. Just found your channel and this is some good stuff! :)

[@Fulsose]

That intro is great your animating skills get better every video

[@personalsheep1850]

thought i'd pop this on while i'm waiting for my dispenser to build, my only gripe is it isn't quite long enough😔

[@jimmybuba2683]

Who smash wha? Btw this intro animation is fantastic damn

[@catisticallyspeaking]

The fucking dippin dots rant at the end made me laugh more than I have in a very long time

[@chacharealsmooth9480]

6:35 Nusantaran-bros we out here 🇮🇩

[@tylerbeanstraw7411]

I feel special for understanding the proygon (the snorlax killer) joke

[@somegenericpersonontheinte9327]

Idk if it’s because I’m from a country where you can’t get dippin dots so it might just be it being rare that makes it good but I liked the cookie dough dippin dots

[@Lmaster800]

Ngl Porygon being an actual way to pp stall Snorlax in gen 1 competitive is insane

[@Lillybonnet22]

any reference to gen 1 porygon is always surprising and i welcome it

[@farhadazizi7702]

36:22 HOW IS THE ENEMY AT 20000367%?!?!??!?

[@mr.awesomesauce8412]

You nailed the alliteration (honestly it annoyed me last time)

[@bloonjitsu7148]

I feel like I'm one of the only people who got the Porygon reference

[@isenokami7810]

You’re not, you’re really not. I thank Big Yellow for clueing me into that one.

[@BabzaiWWP]

your sfms get better with every video

[@jawlesspepper6103]

This is one of many reasons why the tf2 community is alive and bomming

[@lavalord96]

Dont worry i got the porygon joke, i fucking LOVE gen 1 porygon because hes such a fucking ANOMALY in gen 1 ou and UBERS for some reason-

[@creepyfishman6858]

The alliteration in this video was really fun to listen to :)

[@havelthejock3761]

They should have made it so that pyro simply deals high dps with his flames, which set up for a bit knock back with his air blast. But no, let's just have his high tick rate flamethrower deal knock back every tick :)

[@lilyofthatvelley]

JOKES ON YOU I GOT THE GEN 1 PORYGON JOKE . . .also cool video but I am now salty from the amount of game corner time that mostly useless piece of junk cost. . ."mostly" useless. thanks for bringing it up, good video 10/10 would recommend

[@__0bliv1on__]

Pyro's been having a redemption arc since Saxton Hale

[@logan405]

Wow! SpaceGuyOnline has released a new tier list video!

[@theSato]

That intro was great, I'm only disappointed that , after the title screen, it didnt move on to the N64 "how to play" scene lmao - wouldve been a clever way to introduce people like me to what Smash Fortress is and how its played

[@RealErdenman]

Space Guy Online: Uploads Me: gotta watch it.

[@jimmybuba2683]

This is a true comment

[@ChipDrewPog]

holy shit that intro was actually amazing wtf

[@warp5532]

that intro made me unreasonably happy

[@rickxotic141]

the smash 64 intro reference complete with the hot hands as master and crazy hand is a chefs kiss to me!

[@monkeymanspunkyman]

I get the porygon reference dw. Funny how the wingers niche would be providing mobility while porygons is stalling BodySlam PP and avoiding paralysis

[@gameingtothemax6266]

engineer is like ice climbers, to make effective use of him, put down a sentry and than shoot people, don't just put down a sentry or just shoot people. using the wrangler is just like turning ice climbers into just nana, it defeats the whole purpose of the entire character, you wanna know what engineer does well? area denial. and he's much better at it than heavy is because sentry's have perfect aim(another reason *NOT* to use the wrangler) and more ammo. also he kinda counters pyro who is kinda an S tier.

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

The only issue with that is still how laughably weak the shotguns are and how extremely limited the sentries capabilities are. Area denial means very little in this game, especially for the sentry which is incapable of moving allowing it to be bery easily spammed out without any defense, even if someone walks into the sentry's zone, they'll only be knocked back out of it and not off stage or something, assuming they get knocked back at all simply due to how slow the sentry actually builds up percentage damage, even with you helping it along with a shotgun.

[@gameingtothemax6266]

@@SpaceGuyOnline yes, but the spam thing is also true of normal TF2. also again, it counters pyro by constantly knocking him out of it's range. also maybe the sentry on it's own is underwhelming, or the engineer himself is underwhelming, but judging them individually is like judging the ice climbers individually, or judging Rosalina and luma individually, their a package deal. also engineer in smash fortress is more defensive than offensive, because his sentry allows him to just make an area of the map just his domain, where he has the advantage over anyone, this works better in enclosed or semi-enclosed spaces. I'm not saying he should be S tier, but countering an S tier should at least put him into C tier, not to mention he also somewhat counters medics self ubering due to the sentry's nonstop damage. also the sentry never misses, unlikely heavy

[@JackNick2000]

9:56 does the game mode change the Frontier Justice to allow it to heal buildings?

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

No, it's probably just the UI bugging out slightly, there's times where I look away from my Sentry and it shows it not being built due to wrench conflicts

[@Destroyer_odides]

@@SpaceGuyOnline I feel like I’m going to get whooshed but ypu do realize what he meant right? You said frontier justice and showed the rescue ranger

[@Destroyer_odides]

@@SpaceGuyOnline maybe I’m just not understanding what you mean tho

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

@@Destroyer_odides Mind blank then, just meant the Rescue Ranger

[@Destroyer_odides]

@@SpaceGuyOnline it’s fine I just thought I was going insane

[@brospeed394]

When you said the Man dread man o man I thought you gonna trash on it & show it go through a divorce or something

[@rordongamsay8478]

Hey, I did get the Gen 1 Porygon bit! Porygon consistently counters Snorlax in Gen 1 OU, who is likely the top 2 pokémon in the game, which is amazing, and that's kind of the only thing he does in Gen 1 OU. So it's only valuable for that matchup... Everything else claps it.

[@irpsicologiayeducaciongrup8251]

Well I didn't know this was a thing, cool.

[@dr.roboto3355]

26:07 (almost) ALL OF THEM.

[@danih.5675]

I miss dipping dots

[@TinyEngi]

I never thought someone would make a video about this gamemode... Interesting..

[@kingdelune]

Poopy Joe at 0:51! I love that intro, very nice!

[@DraconisLeonidas]

Watching all these back to back, it's amusing how consistently certain classes place highly on the list. It makes sense, sure, but it's still amusing.

[@DJBaphomet]

Oh my god I thought no one remembered this gamemode, and now there's a video highlighting it with 40k+ views? I really really hope this somewhat revives the gamemode, I seriously loved playing it back in 2014/2015 after seeing Ster's videos on it

[@bahuthanwin21]

I love when I have infinte range

[@devinwelch5]

Hey SpaceGuyOnline i was very happy to play with you, i was the DeW guy who was playing with you, ive always loved your videos and i hope you continue on your youtube career :)

[@tannerlacor8137]

You didn't have to go that hard on the intro man. so so cool .

[@harizzafran7973]

I thought this was gonna be a tier list on who was more likely to appear in smash bros but this video is still good regardless

[@Wounded_Asclepius]

Didn't expect a tier list for this, considering that the gamemode is sadly pretty dead. Know any active servers for this? Hell, I'll take servers that only have like, 3 people playing on it tops.

[@badasscrusader]

Well the way its balanced can you blame people for avoiding it?

[@LeRuseBird]

Nice tier list. Used to play a whole bunch of smash fortress when the meta was scouts with the fan o war and a pistol

[@greendevilertan]

Been playing smash fortress back in the day. Mostly played demoknight. It's a coin flip between bullying enemy team and being bullied

[@skeletorthebest7204]

me when the Porygon walls Snorlax for days

[@brianmoyachiuz905]

That intro couldn't be more perfect 😂 you should make a Brawl intro next

[@drankduck]

That intro!!!!! Holy shit, well made!!! That was amazing

[@ashtonboutwell6154]

first stage of the video man pulled out the og SUPER SMASH BROS intro

[@SkullyGal53]

Omg, the intro edit brought me back to my childhood. Had me tearing up, miss the days of N64 Smash. 11 out of 10 stars!

[@builditup9327]

yo chief I think you put in the Panda-Community server IP twice in the description

[@linusdickens4767]

16:32 lol that's the stats for the loose cannon

[@3lvisplay]

Oh boy here it comes

[@bonkdrinker720]

This animation is so good bro

[@Antroz0n]

Seeing that intro was so nostalgic to me, I love Smash Bros 64.

[@godwin972]

i got the porygon joke and i appreciate it :)

[@rpgnerd7610]

That smash 64 intro was amazing

[@StickyTrap]

I got the porygon reference

[@kt4blastv126]

Funny that the fucking metal gear solid 3 snake eater track started playing during spy

[@danielhuelsman76]

Found Poopy Joe in the end of the Smash 64 intro on the left next to Pauline.

[@noah-ux2cz]

Congrats on hitting 50k it’s been a long time comign

[@myorangesarenice1122]

I love Smash and TF2 this a dream come true 😳👍 he also using smash musica😮

[@stop8388]

gen 1 porygon kinda heat tho

[@RobinRhombus2]

The Hot Hand…

[@chickentwink]

I'm sorry, but because you dissed dipping dots, I have no choice but to remove my like, I will remain subscribed, but you should not diss dipping dots again. -CEO of Dipping Dots

[@SirChaddington]

i remember the loch n load being crazy good in smash fortress back in the day