Server Meshing is Here! ...or Is It? (Ft. Morphologis) | Launch Sequence Podcast

Server Meshing, Distribution Centers, Master Modes, Pyro, a lot is changing in Star Citizen very quickly. But is this really the moment, will it be a slog to go from basic server meshing to the real deal? Is 2024 going to actually be a big year? Today I’m joined by longtime friend and guest on the show, Morphologis, to talk the big topics.
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ToC:
00:00 Introductions
06:13 How is Helldivers 2?
12:00 Are You Branching Out?
21:25 Server Meshing is in Testing!
42:00 Crime, PvP, & Reputation
48:10 What Happened to Bounty Hunting & Refining
53:10 Distribution Centers
01:04:50 Master Modes FUN!
01:20:30 Engineering
01:28:50 Thoughts on 3.23
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[@vamperic]

We just got this in the testing server MOTD "(Mánadagr) No intended publishes today. Goals for the week, 2 Evocati Publishes: 3.23 code branch stability playtest Tues/Wed and goal to have a second Evocati Static Server Meshing test with jump gates enabled Friday." So yay more tests! And the JP's

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

Love some tests!

[@MrSmith123123]

For engineering: I say rewards vets to know their ship layouts to physically go to componets, beam it or button press like Helldivers for 10 sec, then run to other components... so the game rewards familiarity with the ship layouts.

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

Yeah, big ships should probably have specialized engineers

[@BalokLives]

"I saw that coming!" The best thing you can do for yourself is never expect it in the first place. That way when it does arrive you will be surprised. I ignore all the dates and just accept what arrives. Makes everything go smoother in my world.

[@kbutler0615]

If only everyone was mature enough to have this mindset

[@Rockyroad321]

I do the same. Time moves faster when you don’t pay attention to it. I pledged the spirit c1 ship when it was in concept, even tho it’s been over a year it only felt like a few months waiting.

[@BalokLives]

@@Rockyroad321 Agreed.

[@SpaceDad42]

Sounds like a form of grieving. Maybe fight or flight instinct. Either way, it isn’t healthy.

[@Rockyroad321]

@@SpaceDad42 it’s not a form of grievance, it’s just patience. Best way to describe it is like avoiding spoilers for a movie/show, if you avoid spoilers, you get more excitement when you see it for yourself.

[@MrSmith123123]

Yes! Planetside 2 (FREE) has some cool tech like 1000+ players on same map, and combined arm battles with 96vs96 even 200 players in the same map hex, 3 factions etc. Good voice comms channels in game. Map that lets players draw overlays on it. Worthwhile video to compare and contrast with other Sci-fi games.

[@freelancerthe2561]

Just doing a comparison is underselling how ahead of the curve that game was technology wise. Which is going to make the deconstruction process that much more depressing, with how many missed opportunities that game presented; and ultimately failed because it could not find an optimal time or method to see the success it should have had. The game engine, Forgelight, in 2013 was a serious contender to DICE's Frostbite engine; having 85% of the feature set and graphics capability out of the box... including terrain deformation, basic destruction, PG terrain creation and rendering, day/night cycle, dynamic lighting (as in flashlights worked), and working physics simulation. But built from the bottom up to support 100s of players and 1000s of entities with an MMO backend. They were going to use this for Everquest Next. And one of their highly touted features was voxel support for terrain deformation, so you could mine and tunnel under the ProcGen maps. But what was most shocking is that everything, except voxel mining, was verifiably functional (but unpolished) in engine during the early public facing builds of PS2 Tech Test (essentially late Alpha, pre-Beta). However, things got rapidly shaved or disabled going into, and through out most of Beta, as they were rushing to get performance under control to hit a release deadline. The community unanimously agreed it needed another 3-6 months just to hammer out issues with the already stripped down game play, but SOE pushed to formal launch anyway. My estimates suggest this set the game back around 6 months of Dev time for every year during LIVE, because you can't make sweeping changes and thoroughly test them when you have an active microtransaction model you're trying to prop up. And it shows, as they've had to revamp the business model at least twice, and the way the game handled Smedly Bucks (nicked named after John Smedly [may his soul rot in every layer of hell simultaneously]) kept messing with how the game's unlock system was managed. PS2 had the potential to tap into a sizable chunk of the BF player base, as it was taking that basic gunplay and combined arms/vehicle model, and placing it on top of a Persistent war zone, with a player cap per map that no other game at the time could even come close to. But over time, all the things that made it unique got whittled away to try and chase trends, break into eSports, and slowly downgraded to keep performance up. Its a straight up tragedy that internal design conflict, half implemented updates, loss of dev talent, and a series of failed secondary game launches, forced PS2 to carry the studio as its most significant revenue stream, but never getting business model right.

[@TUROCK320]

🐓​@@freelancerthe2561

[@RyoninShonin]

Excellent show! Wanted to mention Stanton is a mostly lawless system, its owned by corporations and not controlled by the UEE it will allways be a location to Pirates like me :) They need a UEE controlled "high security" system in play before "safe spaces" exist.

[@CitizenScott]

1:12:59 Exactly. Always been the plan. "Our space combat is at speeds that are not realistic for what space combat would probably be in the future, but it's a hell of a lot more fun, because who wants to target your enemy on a computer and see whether you've blown them up 1000 miles away?" -CR, Wingman's Hangar ep009, 2/22/13

[@WhenBaconFlies-eo6xm]

scott wants everything to be zerg vs zerg. no room in SC for solo players. no racers. no cargo haulers. nope. just slow, stupid zerg shit. they should add slot machine sounds to the explosions to get ppl in the mood to spend more.

[@CitizenScott]

@@WhenBaconFlies-eo6xm 🤣🤣🤣 what

[@kaisersolo76]

Recovery for me in pyro on 00 server was 30-40 secs.

[@D_Wito]

With master modes I feel like it would be better to reduce effective range of smaller guns and balance shield regeneration so it would require you to stay closer to what you fight for fight to not last forever by only taking down shield and getting back to regenerated one. It would allow hit and run tactics of smaller ships to work fine as support for battles between larger ships. It would also make you choose to stay closer, fly slower relatively to your opponents instead of going with "it just works like that, there are no other ways of combat".

[@mwalker3005]

Think about instead of Xenothreat solely being a space battle. What about if the Javelin is not docked at Jericho Station and Xenothreat has taken over parts of the station. Players have to not only stand of Xenothreat in space but have to take over the station so the Javelin can dock.

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

Xenothreat could be the space battle we all dreamed of as kids. Bring in the capital ships!

[@PaulMEdwards]

One aspect not considered/mentioned during the Master Modes discussion is the reality of the physics simulation struggling unsuccessfully to keep up with the very high speeds of combat which is the main reason why a solo light fighter can currently dominate a heavy gunship or frigate. They're effectively using multiple exploits in the current flight model to dominate which MUST be addressed. Slowing the speeds down and removing the 2 specific movement exploits those combat pilots are taking advantage of is necessary and seems effective to level the playing field. I would argue it will take MORE skill & coordination for combat pilots to excel & dominate once Master Modes is in the PU... and that's a VERY good thing.

[@GG-qx5vg]

I saw you two were on discord doing this. I've been really excited for this to come out! Added note about Master modes: avenger one is abdicating for a less severe swing in ship speeds, going to 500 m/s as opposed to 200 to allow for a higher skill ceiling than the current master modes speeds.

[@Swill880]

I believe that once MM is implemented they will end up increasing the speeds as A1 advocates for along with a few other tweaks like projectile speed and spread. It honestly feels pretty good (coming from an average PVP pilot) but disengaging is nearly impossible. It needs help for sure. But I doubt they’re not changing it before release

[@CitizenScott]

That's not happening, and it shouldn't. It breaks too many things. CIG have literally said this multiple times, including directly to A1, even according to A1.

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

Thanks for listening! ❤ Glad you enjoyed it! Master modes...oh boy 😅

[@GG-qx5vg]

​@@CitizenScottYou're right about what CIG said. I'm curious as to what their sticking point is for leaving the speed where it is. I would like to hope CIG will make some compromises if it's for the betterment of the game.

[@freelancerthe2561]

@@GG-qx5vg They're trying to keep engagement ranges down, because bad pilots have a extremely low "time on target" between jousting and running. If you look at the problem from the perspective of an Arena Shooter vs a Tactical shooter, you start to see the issues more clearly. Movement is king, so moving fast to exploit weak aiming is the best strategy at all times. But CIG over compensated hard, because its essentially moving to same kind of space combat Starfield has. And the changes to gimbals is what makes it really obvious that they're prioritizing accessibility over skill development. If it were me, I would had solidly taken the stance that ship variety should be the solution to accessibility. That certain ships be designed around certain types of fighting styles, and balance them through equipment capacity and handling speed. So Blocky ships have better and uniform rotational speeds, but terrible atmo handling and over-reliance on thrust power. Wing and Spear shaped ships stronger pitch and roll, improved atmo handling, and weak retro. Industrial ships with strong forward and retro power, but weak or unstable rotational rates, offset with more tanky shields. This is better than the current role based system they're pursing, because you can still express a role via different flight styles, but the natural tendencies for specific ships aligning both in a given niche won't be seen as a problem.

[@PaulMEdwards]

Regarding features that appear to have been "shelved," it could be that they are feature complete and awaiting final integration due to some blocking prerequisites, so there's nothing to do yet... Bounty Hunting v2 could be waiting for the ships to be updated to support the gameplay. The economy work now in progress could be inputting, testing, and adjusting the parameter values driving the quantum dynamic economy, which may also be feature complete and awaiting that balance testing before final integration.

[@leslieviljoen]

1:28:00 @tomato @morph - you should take a look at Void Crew. That distills multiplayer ship combat right down and has a series of minigames in the middle of space chaos with turrets and engineers and scavengers. It's a fantastic game, just needs more of the same.

[@flirty_thirty]

3:33 I bought us wayyyyy too many Tequila shots 😂😂 Say hi to misses T for me! Great video as always man ❤

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

Great times! Can't wait for the next one! Thanks for hanging out!

[@Swill880]

My 2 most appreciated SC personalities. Always good insight and deep dives. Hope the cleanup is going well ‘Mato.

[@AccidentalFriendlyFire]

When he's older, if Planetside 2 is still running and SC still isn't there, I'm going to bring my kid in to the former. FWIW, I've seen guards on stations attack specific players but ignore most of us. Happened during Siege of Orison. So glad for how Morph talked about MM. He's right.

[@Winterx69]

If Server Meshing were a movie, it would be a John Carpenter flick. 😂

[@Trollzey]

Following up on what Morph said with engineering the difficulty and engagement will come to those who are trying to min max a specific ship or loadout for a ship/ mission. Going into to different scenarios may require different shields and weapon combinations and the top engineer is going to work on making sure that ship is tuned to perfection and power management is maximized for the job. The advanced player may be looking to leverage "preset" combinations and basic tunings where the entry to engineering could just be pressing the buttons for startup sequencing.

[@JakoMacro]

Yes they touched on this aspect but morph was predominantly talking about mid combat engineering before Tomato reminded him that engineering is more than a combat role. As for combat engineering, I think it should be as complex as the engineer wants it to be. New engineers may just want to run around and click a single button at a single place in a ship, whereas a veteran combat engineer should be allowed to strut their stride and be able to multitask repairs with “buffing” the ship by redirecting fluid pipes, power conduits or gas flows to maximize ship capabilities. It is the complexity that allows room for profession. The dumber engineering is, the more it will become “you drew the short straw, you’re stuck on engineering duty” instead of people being excited and willing to be hired onto ships for their expertise.

[@Eagle6Airsoft]

For democracy and freedom! And not lining Chris’s pockets. Star citizen dreams of ai and mission content as good as Helldivers. Instead we have empty planets and broken bunker ai.

[@Z3RO4351]

Would absolutely love to see a retrospective video on Planetside 2 and how it could work in SC. Perhaps a sprinkle of how Helldivers approaches the war progress with a "DM"

[@freelancerthe2561]

It wouldn't work in SC. I like both games, but they are very different animals. You take SC as a platform, and retool it into a game like Planetside... but doing it within SC is going to be as effective as Dusk514 was with EVE Online.

[@pxkqd]

Have you seen Masters of The Air? Considering the intent of SC to have the WWII fight experience.

[@MidnightWolfSDJ]

Remember, the turrets were to test for S42. They can serve a purpose in the PU eventually, but clearly have not been revisited since implementation. Also, the Distribution Centers were supposed to be UGF, but evolved into something else. The turrets were probably going to be used in the new UGF’s that are now Distribution Centers. Also there has been a lot of shifting in resources so it isn’t far fetched that something gets made and added to the PU, and then the main feature they were tied to gets pushed back for some reason or another. I think CIG is hiding behind the excuse of Server Meshing (and rightfully so, as it is very important to get your foundation solid before committing to anything that can make the game “run out of space”. They have said it will unlock so much in Star Citizen. So once it is in, no more excuses and I think we will see CIG start tying up loose ends and tying other untied ends together. It won’t be an overnight thing but CIG knows they can’t hide behind that big excuse anymore which means a fire might be lit underneath them to get the game to Beta.

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

There's definitely a lot of stuff in Squadron 42 that never needed to be placed in the PU for testing. These turrets could have been used in the places that had NPCs outside, which would have allowed us to give feedback. By all means test Squadron stuff on us, but if it's in a place that doesn't get it used, what's the point?

[@MidnightWolfSDJ]

@@SpaceTomatoToo I agree lol! Turrets seem to be super straightforward, and I have no idea why they even needed to test it but I do remember the overall consensus when they added them was for testing lol! Only thing I can think of is it was something simple and easy to add under the limitations of preserver meshing.

[@TruthIsKey369]

A funny thing, CIG could easily make a Starfield like scenario with loadingscreens to finish the game, but you know, Chris Roberts isn't one of those phony Todd Howard kinds hyping their game and at release you see that the game is literally not close to what was promised, even worse..... That is the bad part of developing behind closed doors, where CIG is showing and telling where we will not get surprised when the game releases, because we will know what we are getting by then. That is the future of game development which Xbox, Sony, Epic, Tencent, EA, CDPR etc should consider, or you will get games like Cyberpunk 2077, Redfall, Starfield, Mortals of Avieum, Suicide Squad etc that is just horrible at release, simply due to bad ideas being developed upon on where developers have lost touch with their audience. It has been really bad the last 7 years imho, but CIG is a light in that tunnel so to speak.

[@PaulMEdwards]

I really enjoyed the engineering gameplay in Star Trek Bridge Commander. It wasn't too complicated and was quite fun.

[@slavenmatuhina2151]

IMO Engineering should be fairly complex to keep the engineers engaged but there should be an option to hire an npc that does the job at something like 50% efficiency. Same for other roles on a ship.

[@tomvandooren213]

Nice podcast Guys 👍🏻 also positive vibes 👏🏻

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@MersageSW]

Anakin Skywalker was taking out 20 ships on his own in Star Wars The Clone Wars. There should not be an artificial limit on what someone's skill can and cannot allow them to do. Yes, it should be incredibly difficult, but yes it should be possible.

[@BVDxBEAR]

I agree whole heartedly with morph on the Master Modes there're so many different factors that go into skill

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

There really are!

[@TastyPotty]

God damn, sorry to hear about the property damage. That you're still creating is great and we're grateful for it.

[@macrot5419]

YAY IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THE MORPH EPISODE 🎉🎉

[@alexvolesky]

Your back! Missed your content!

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

It's good to be back🎉

[@TruthIsKey369]

The only other company developing server technologies/fine tuning is Nova Quark with their game Dual Universe, and they have their version of SOCS and server meshing that acrually work right now, and to top it off using their inhouse voxel engine to make their scifi game very unique, which is also Chris Roberts second wettest dream for the future of games. Maybe we will see a 100% voxel based game in Starcitizen 2? :) Only future will tell! Always nice to see exciting new development that other gaming industry giants have not done, or don't want to do or develop, due to how expensive it can be, but the biggest obstacle imho are the publishers wanting revenue than actually create new stuff. This is obvious if you take a look at games the last 20, or even 30 years. I hope CIG has insane success with SQ42 and Starcitizen, so to branch out and make other games with their Star Engine, which right now is better than any other game engine out there, and yes even better than UE5 since it has huge limitations when it comes to huge open worlds. Making a game look nice is the easiest part, but making a good MMO game with seamless traversel, and a destructable environment, is much harder. Cudos to CIG for taking the time! I'm rambling! Good video Space Tomato! :)

[@casademackie4031]

I would love to see a planetside insertion method for avatars, droppods, parachutes etc

[@Turki_SC]

Unfortunately gofundme is not working in our country , thank you for everything you do to support this game and its community o7

[@justalex4214]

Reputation is CIG's answer to the question "how do we get players to purchase the game multiple times?" because that's what's gonna happen when rep is in, people willget troll accounts.

[@Dorm_]

Helldiver was such refreshing, a new Warbond (battlepass) launched, but i had enough cash i earned in game so i could afford it and get all the new stuff for free. It is a damn good game and SC could learn a lot from those devs! I clocked in around 120 hours the last two weeks, it was that good! Even playing with randoms was fun as well, decent voip, but could be a little bit better quality sound.

[@_larkin_321]

MM is just a valid answer to the LF meta. That's why the LF gang is crying havoc. Because turrets finally work as they should.Thank you for stating the obvious Morph! To the engineering complexity: Imagine you do tuning via balancing 3 variables from a fixed pool of points, thus slightly changing the stats of a device. And you cannot change them without a reboot. Now extend that to 5 or 7 variables. complex enough?

[@LucidStrike]

It's also that they tend to be fixated on 1v1, which I've warned for years was the wrong mindset.

[@Deceaser]

cig literally said they arent happy with where lfs are and the last mm update made the lf haters cry lol

[@_larkin_321]

​@@Deceaserso what? Does that change anything to the end of LF meta? Just because the changes were a bit too heavy handed and thus marginally corrected in favour of LFs does not change the direction or intent

[@Deceaser]

@@_larkin_321 it literally made lfs the meta again 🤡 lmao

[@justwords3882]

Good to see Morph he is articulate and intelligent

[@Haegemon]

To me is more important to make the Ai funtional than have a, second System, but I assume having Pyro is also part of testing the technical aspects.

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

Oh the AI development has been incredibly positive lately! But this is less about a new system, the goal is to allow this to support spaces as small as ships. This is by far the greatest optimization Star Citizen will ever see. The second system is a nice extra bit

[@Kevlar-78]

Love you both. Amazing content all the way around. Cheers to both of you !

[@D_Wito]

Wasn't it more like tests for replication layer than server meshing? To make your data available on each server. Or maybe I heard it wrong, maybe it was tested already before and this is something else.

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

Replication layer and server Meshing are very closely intertwined. But the separation of the replication layer has been in testing since November. This was an actual test of running 2 servers together.

[@llillian4055]

For my part, things like engineering and medical gameplay need to have really significant amounts of depth. It is no excuse to say in combat with lots going on just pressing a button will be engaging and complex - this game also needs to work for players who are *not* often in combat. If an engineer wants to get another 5% productivity out of the farms on an endeavor Olympic in "safe" space, they will be disappointed if there is only one button for them to press because engineering was designed solely around combat. CIG can make any game they like, but they do need to also make the game they sold - which for things like medical explicitly included medical being one of the more important professions. Magic ray and press one button once are simply not good enough, when other games have far more depth and CIG pitched so much. Sure they probably should have pitched less, but they must deliver on their promises or face very well grounded refund demands from all the non-combat players. Not everyone will get their dream gameplay, that is certain. But it is a dangerous trap for CIG to balance things like engineering solely around being fun during combat - it's meant to be a full profession, not just an add-on to combat gameplay. Never forget, the Crucible was sold a long, long time ago, and the big expensive ships like that and the Hope are part of why CIG has the money to make this game. They have to deliver the gameplay for them, even if they might not want to. Same as selling capital ships always meant they were going to have a nightmare balancing combat.

[@_Fl4K]

I agree on the a2 it’s so lame, my first ever PVP encounter was on ghost Hollow when a corsair landed, I immediately ran to hide behind cover to ambush him with my p4 when the back door started to open, and a cyclone unexpectedly came out, I knew I was cooked. I made a B line towards a Vanguard harbinger that was old and abandoned with the door open. It was my first time inside of a Vanguard, but I figured it out quick. I took off with it heavily damaged and blew up the cyclone. It was a very fun experience. within 10 minutes. He was back and blew me up with an A2, I saw him come through the clouds and I hid in a building, it didn’t matter because he effectively was able to nuke GH… such a lame disappointing end to a great moment that I could have had in no other game.

[@TheLordSkippy]

"I sat down in my char and realized that it was moldy and wet"

[@CptTiki]

Tomato, my man! I was out for a week - and i come back to you on a laptop.. Please let us know if we can help MORE man! THE GARDEN MUST GROW!!

[@nascenticeman]

I think you need a noise gate for those fans lol

[@The_Opinion_of_Matt]

CIG needs to add staircase to the current bunkers. The elevators aren't the most reliable and how are NPCs supposed to escape a fire when the elevator is broken.

[@hephaestion12]

"Everyone is so tall" 😂 except saltemike, bored and spacetomato. Our friendly smol SC content creators ❤

[@kevinm3751]

Master modes is like saying the Indy 500 has a new rule and cars can go no faster than 60mph!

[@aennaenn7468]

No they can, they just can't have shields and weapons on at the same time. You can still go 1km/s if you want. In Nav mode.

[@cmdrls212]

@@aennaenn7468 this. It's like people ignore Nav mode exists to keep making the same meme posts

[@dukeofhazard420]

@@cmdrls212they don’t want the truth they just want to be angry about something lol

[@TexSweden]

planets overrun with bugs could easily be part of the SC PU, land at your own peril

[@GremlinBay]

damn I wish I was there live. Tomato, the microphone you are using needs to be utelized from the front, not the top. lol Hope you get things squared away with your home/studio soon. 🤙🏻

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

Yeah definitely not my mic! Only realized I needed it about 20 minutes before this!

[@GremlinBay]

I get it. The only reason i know this, is because i got this same mic for my lady and helped her set it up and remembered telling her what i just told you.😂 it is a solid mic thought.

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

@@GremlinBay the connection is very frustrating. I could not mount it to my microphone arm with either of my adapters :(

[@GremlinBay]

@@SpaceTomatoToothat sucks. Will have to take another look at it. Trying to remember how i solved that issue with my girlfriend’s. I might have jerry-rigged it. 😂

[@AAK625]

Morph/Tomato combo is a premium experience. 😎

[@Blah64]

Morph's take on MM is my favorite take so far.

[@CitizenScott]

Why?

[@LucidStrike]

Bounty Hunting V2 needs FOS scanning, which isn't expected for 3.23 as far as I know.

[@gizmo104drives7]

Im not an sc player but keeping an eye on it and enjoy you guys talking about the game... one thing im not understanding and you guys only briefly touched on is firstly what is server meshing... and why does sc need such a complicated never before seen meshing... what do other games do and how do they do it and why would that not work for sc... from an outside pov no game devs ever really talk about this it just get done...?

[@critic_empower_joke_rlaxtslife]

Point 1 - no seams, no loading wait, no rupture. A Gameplay where even transiting a star system to another should offer a gameplay loop. A world where.... I could be wrong so bear with me.... your character persists after you log out but that in itself can mean an ocean of things from 1mn persistence to until you log back in. Star citizen is an extension of wing commander games but also wing commander the movie. So no break in gameplay means realism,that simple. Point 2 - size matter so dev must deal with it. You can find fighters 1, 2, multi seats. But you can find behemoths ships (not in game due to actual server limitations). A simple frigate roughly couple hundred meters long uses few to a short dozens (ship fighters included) of players but the ship itself can hold a lot more should you choose to use your frigate for special objective where ship limitation is its grid for objects hold and space for example you want to jam 500 people in your idris, you should be able to... might space allow 500 players to stack inside. Point 3- space opera or grand nature warfare where everyone objective is a big deal in the grand objective to win a war. Space is vast made of nothing and everything feel small or no big deal until to condense an area. Suddenly size l, speed, weight is felt. Major problems are the dev miseducated the community where your tiny puny ship blows up many folds over sized ship compared to yours just because you are with friends. Physics is what it is, it is natural for newcomers to joust... fight in circle while Chris roberts somewhar wants more WWII plane fighters plan of attacks and avoidance which is why we are on our 3rd flight mode of sorts but this time it's so rethoric in balance that "skill" is chocked to death. So many features are missing and/op need another pass. We in the community are all super excited for server meshing as a whole for we hope it is THE pedestal upon which the feel and limitations or hopefully lack of will emancipate all nature of all subsequent features in game. Example I personally am more than patient for NPC player control or I as a player give orders to npc(s) in my ship. Star citizen is wild but it is hopefully getting somewhere should server meshing gets real

[@festersmith8352]

The short version. Each server is responsible for a different area in the verse. The ability to transfer us from server to server seamlessly while we travel. Multiple servers connected together to share the work load in the many areas that may become heavily player populated due to interest. And to mitigate the pains on us, of poor server performance, or server crashes. The goal is to get as many players as possible in one instance to move about freely without loading screens, and optimal server performance and reliability, with full persistence of the environment. CIG's plan for galactic population is 90% NPC, 10% players. It goes into more detail when you start to apply different scenarios to it. So feel free to ask me more questions if needed

[@CitizenScott]

Is it.

[@woodybear3823]

It is?

[@ianwilson4286]

When CIG makes master modes it is for 99% of us playing the game and not for the top 1% PVP players. That 1% will find a away to be the top with any system given.

[@Damiv]

It's adorable anyone thinks reputation will matter. All it will do is keep the honest people honest. It won't do a damn thing to slow down the gankers and griefers.

[@CitizenScott]

Basically accurate, yeah.

[@dukeofhazard420]

Gankers will gank

[@abysswalker]

Let us know when it opens again, please

[@good_speed_0h]

Are you guys gonna talk about SandWorms?👀

[@jamesatkins7592]

There should be a progression of skill and complexity with engineering, or they shouldn't call it engineering

[@ianwilson4286]

I want players to stop killing everyone they see as they know that they are done for the night and will be out of prision before they play again.

[@Tanuki_03]

I haven’t experienced that yet, but I do think prison times should be increased to days instead of hours as it is posssible to escape.

[@Splincir]

​@Tanuki_03 Yeah, just set the prison time for murder to days in real time. Allow the prison mission to work off significant time to offset the increase. But it will keep people from just going murder hobo because they won't be on till tomorrow in which their time will be served. Or just have your sentence only pass when logged in. That way, it forces actual consequences aka risk for the murder hobos. They can still escape or work off their crimes if caught or killed, but can't just log out and skirt the system. I'm sure I'd end up getting screwed somehow by this system, but maybe they just keep it that way for murder or only the highest of crimes to keep those random charges from sending innocent people to prison for long stints.

[@ianwilson4286]

I think making it game time would work but what would stop a person from staying logged in the game to use up prison time. I think a masive hit to Rep would be better@@Splincir

[@CitizenScott]

You just described the current system precisely. Congrats. You already have what you want.

[@festersmith8352]

@@ianwilson4286 When prison was first introduced it was in game time.

[@eddyrocksteady1157]

Morph still working for that Space game NFT company?

[@DrawnSean]

big love. 🍅

[@davewills6121]

What any Noob needs to rember with CIG is..............talk is cheap and counts for absolutely nothing with this crew, its all about PROMOTIONS/SALES, remember that, and your set. We as backers are not on the same timescale as CIG, one simple remark like ''Base Building in 2024'', and the Noobs turn ito heroin addicts, until cold turkey hits when they notice ''starting development in 1st quarter 2024''. With CIG, when its here its reality, whether it works, or is complete as a tech, is another story. So CC'ers can waffle on about Star Citizen's techno babble, but you have more chance of getting your new born into pre-school before a new tech enters game from its initial announcement.

[@Rat-Catcher.]

Man it really sucks you had issues with your 2nd home. Hope everything's ok with your 2nd home. Still, it's inspiring to see the community going all out to support you in your transition from your old 2nd home to your new 2nd home. Not often you see so much generosity for people who have 2nd homes. What a community.

[@vorpalrobot]

He moved back to Turkey because living in California (I think?) was too expensive for a smaller streamer/content creator... He didn't lose a mansion you fuck

[@HustleBones.]

/s

[@phxbadash]

You realize they stay with family when in the US right? Where are you getting this 2 homes bullshit from?

[@HustleBones.]

@@phxbadash If i live in one home in one place, and another home in another place, then how many homes is that?

[@phxbadash]

@@HustleBones. home is the place where your name is on the lease or deed. staying with family does not mean you have 2 homes. what kind of dumbass argument is that?

[@WhenBaconFlies-eo6xm]

racing is about flow. MM kills it. has nothing to do with "they just are set in old habits". what does MM feel like? pissing in the wind. literally and figuratively.

[@AMartin1600]

Nice … 👍

[@good_speed_0h]

Damn that laptop is screaming

[@dukeofhazard420]

Fighting for its life

[@JakoMacro]

1:21:00 L take by Morphologis, there’s no reason someone would want to sit around a multicrew ship as an engineer if it’s not engaging. I personally hope it’s made into a profession where a veteran engineer could decide a fight between two otherwise equivalent battle ships. If you just run around and click buttons or enter up down down left right down at a terminal, no one will want to do it and it will therefore become I hated component of the game. People will complain about the dumb boring job that is forced onto a player. That being said, small ships should not require complex engineering, if at all (you probably just blow up before you could fix anything anyway). Large ships, Capitol ships/ sub Capitol frigates like hammerhead should REQUIRE a competent engineer or at least someone willing to learn and a crew that understands the burden placed on the green guy. The servers are hopefully large enough that it wouldn’t be that hard to find an engineer for hire. You shouldn’t be able to take out a hammerhead and crew it with 2 people. If you only have 2 people, take a hurricane as it’s designed for a 2 man crew and is essentially a single turret hammerhead on a medium chassis. Eventually Star Citizen will be Org centric instead of solo, as the battles become larger instead of 1v1s which make up a dominant percentage of engagements.

[@Traumglanz]

The main argument about the discussion with master modes vs live is that master modes fail to achieve its's goals, but still takes a way a lot of stuff away, including the ability to fight at really close range. And you still can not hit that guy with your hammerhead and still die. *I repeat, master modes do not work in bringing the changes that CIG advertise them to bring* While you two guys talk about concepts, that are not related to what master mode changes. BTW, did either of you ever actually play in fleet battles in eve, because it never is that complex as you make it. In the end you wait for some time or hours with your fleet, and click the buttons that your FC is telling you to click, especially in large fleet battles. True story, been there, done that. Would not do again. So maybe talk less about you think how you imagine things will play out and more how they actually do. And with all that said, I think master modes are "fine", makes teamplay a lot easier, makes ganking a lot easier, makes being a bad guy a lot more accessible and logistic heavy. 400-500m/s SCM speeds with 600m/s boost speed for interceptors would still be dope and make the ships a lot less boost reliant. Gives you more time to accelerate to top speeds and that alone would make it feel faster.

[@CitizenScott]

You are mistaken. It does achieve their goals. Some people just don't like their goals.

[@koo-hip9406]

I used to watch Jim Sterling (it's been a while and apparently I've missed a lot) and one of his major issues with the live service structure was the sustainability of it all. Corporate greed has once again reared it's ugly head to a point where over inflated marketing budgets, demand for not just some profits but ALL of the profits, and the subsequent need to heavily monetize as a result have come to a head and now we're seeing studios and devs paying the price.

[@gastiresoil9758]

Holy smokes I just looked that guy up… yeah things be different now.😂

[@koo-hip9406]

@@gastiresoil9758 Doesn't even look like the same person lol

[@BrixyBrixhamite]

Regarding disribution centres, I have a strong suspicions they are considering making one of them a server mesh prior to 4.0 Making a Stanton distribution centre its won mesh in 3.23 would enable a high cap fps mission within the DC. Alternatively, the could take an existing mission eg (jumptown) and have say a high plsyr cap mission there. It may also be possible that players from different shards could meet at such locations for fps prior to returning to their lower cap shard.

[@robwilson509]

Tomato - I know you are working with limited gear, but please, if you can, don't hold your mic, and without a pop filter, my house is shaking with every Puh, Tuh, laugh, mic hitting something, I can only imagine some people's headphones probably didnt sound so good. So glad to hear that the Go Fund Me reached a goal that you felt was enough to cover what it was for and are noble enough to close it instead of letting things keep going. I don't see many people doing that, so good on you, you are good people. Take care!

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

I really didn't have any of my normal stuff for this. No mic, no computer, no sound dampening. This won't happen again o7 I'll have my regular mic and everything again next week! Thanks for listening 🙏🏾 and cheers!

[@PixelDolphin]

Regarding MM. Star Citizen in its current state is the worst game to try PvP as a new player. I tried master mode against people in the gladius and it instantly felt better. Fine tuning and additional systems will make this a very enjoyable experience for majority of players. No MMO enables this these dream of consistent 1v20 scenarios that they talk about. Or the fact that an aurora can no longer 1v1 a gladius. Comparing a these ships to WoW its like expecting a top 1% pvp player to login to a lvl 5 character and beat a lvl 60 very average player. It doesn't work. The developers are starting to actually gameify Star Citizen. And the vocal hardcore pvp players who have lost hundreds of hours of practice for a model in a game that is in development constantly changing have realised a lot of time has been wasted and that they will need to finally adapt to a more even playing field. Someone with 10 hours of pvp experience vs someone with 200 hours on equal footing (same class ship) will still show that hours put in will bring results. This is coming from someone who almost exclusively plays pvp in games. I'll properly play SC when its more fleshed out and all the recent changes are in the right direction for an actual game, not a milsim. Side note, the client side interpolation of these 2km/s ships must be insane. Reducing the speed will increase reliablity on hitreg, which I'm sure all this movement tech the high end pvpers do is just abusing a buggy system.

[@Turican76]

moving in a islamic state was not the smartest idea 🤨

[@MMORPG87]

Morph king clown of clowns. Was hoping I'd never see that donut ever again

[@d0c_5u11y]

Oh, Morphologis. Hard pass on this one. See ya next time guys.

[@alexvolesky]

What's wrong with him? Did he do something?

[@specopsshooter21]

Why ?

[@Rat-Catcher.]

The entitlement is palpable

[@specopsshooter21]

@@Rat-Catcher. huh?

[@ColbyWanShinobi]

@@alexvolesky No, he hasn't done anything, there's just a few "cool edgy kids" in the community who have chosen Morph as their "nemesis" so it's cool to take sides in some imaginary beef, because we're all still apparently in elementary school.

[@Octobouch]

Ft morphologis lol, pass

[@cristinejolie2476]

again this cryptobro.. no, noone received a Pyro mission in Stanton, they were literally turned off

[@rock2k14]

I was an Alpha Squad member for PS2, and honestly, when I lost interest in it is when SoE sold it and then everything new that was added was just Nanite Systems equipment for least effort and maximum profit, the factions lost more and more of their identity because of it, also, we never got BFR's.