CitizenCon 2024 - There’s So Much To Say (Ft. CasaBlack) | Launch Sequence Podcast

[@reamoinmcdonachadh9519]

No!! You have that wrong, they did NOT say only Citizens can build in the 'Verse!! They said that Civilians would have restrictions that CITIZENS would not have, when it came to land claims and base building.

[@XxTavoRxX]

Yep, that's what I was gonna say, restrictions, not complete refusal. I have heard rumors of apartments in cities for citizens, but it wasn't from CiG, it was just speculation from forums

[@ChristoffRevan]

Hate when content creators get things wrong, because then this misinformation spreads and the people that hear it will fight the actual truth about it and act like they're the ones that are right

[@ryandr13]

Everything I saw looked good but honestly I'm just excited that my ship will finally get worked on. Let's go Perseus!!

[@XxTavoRxX]

@@ryandr13 gotta admit I was surprised to see that there. And they said within the next 12 mos if I heard correctly 👍

[@darqshark3506]

Me who bought an Ironclad and didn't expect it for four plus years 😏

[@arielm9847]

I think the instancing they mentioned wasn't for scaling or performance. It was for creating very specific tailored content. With an instanced mission, they can have very precise over difficulty and balance which can't be trivialized or interrupted by PU shenanigans.

[@testpattern23]

What was missing for me: Tony Z, Quantum/real economy talk/progress.

[@pxkqd]

There's nothing to talk about. His last talk already explained it very well. Now it's done or it's not. It's no done yet, so what do you want them to talk about? It was mentioned during the other panels as something that's still a thing, so that's the update: still the plan, still not finished.

[@testpattern23]

@@pxkqd I'd like to know how far along they are. Is it in the design theory stage still or in active development with a blueprint/guide in place? Who's working on it, what team and how many developers? I don't ask when questions, so will leave that out. There have been no further details since, so it makes one think: is it being worked on in earnest? That's what I'd like to know. "oh it's still a thing" doesn't really cut it.

[@vorpalrobot]

They mentioned it in the 1.0 as "dynamic content" but offered no further information.

[@LucidStrike]

They mentioned StarsSim - which maybe you didn't know is the new name for Quantum? - but there probably just wasn't much new to say in this context. The theme was 1.0 and SQ42, so they were never gonna go that deep into Sprint Report territory 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@LucidStrike]

​@@testpattern23WHY doesn't that really cut it? Seems like it might as well be a when question if "It's on track" isn't enough for you.

[@JohnGardounis]

I think 2026 is a realistic date for SQ42, considering it needs to go through extensive beta to be ironed out. Also I do not understand why they say people were let down? We get Pyron within the year, Nyx probably next and Castra coming before Terra? Also base building? Crafting? Gear skills? Planet Tech v5? New ships? Org management? CIG seems to have a grasp of how to make the game engaging, even for non-combat professions.

[@TinMan445]

People were let down because what they laid out is another 5-10 years of development before a 1.0 version😂

[@JohnGardounis]

@@TinMan445 fair enough. But would you want the current game or the one after a year or two to be released as 1.0?

[@Nemoticon]

@@TinMan445 That's because most people hope it's all gonna come out tomorrow in spite of KNOWING what CIG is like, lol. They set themselves up for disappointment, it's a failure to manage expectations. Imo, there's no rush, I'm in for the long haul. I love watching the game develop and grow with an amibition unrivalled by anything else before. I'm happy to wait, SC isn't the only game or interest I have. We've come so far since Hangar Modules and still got so far to go, it's so cool.

[@TinMan445]

@@JohnGardounisI felt like a lot of the stuff they laid out should be a future dlc or update that was just fluffing up 1.0 unnecessarily

[@amiththomas3884]

Some of the things you are mentioning will take multiple years to come. But yes, 4.0 and immediate features are also exciting, but still.

[@robertchandler2063]

Zack (the designer) said the worm works in game but it is janky and they want to polish it but they actually did play and beat it in the games so I really don’t know why it takes another year . He said this on phone call directly after the showcase in saltemike stream

[@LucidStrike]

That's the thing. Tomato and Casa went with a weird interpretation. CR didn't necessarily mean none of that stuff is arriving sooner than 12 months. OBVIOUSLY Post-4.0 2025 isn't gonna be so dry that nothing exciting is actually arriving until next October or later.

[@silky.919]

i’m pretty sure they intend to launch the full profession and not just the worm by itself, so they’ve gotta ship at least some portion of all the creature concepts they showed off on saturday

[@robertchandler2063]

@@silky.919 that’s not really cigs way 😂 but you might be right I’d prefer they did one got feedback and developed the rest

[@afternoondelight6322]

It will take a year because they are B tier developers working on a trash can of a game engine.

[@robertchandler2063]

@@afternoondelight6322 😂 ok bud hate in peace my friend

[@MikePhilbin1966]

Moving clouds, swamps and weather BLEW MY SOCKS OFF but for me... the NEW QUANTUM TRAVEL that got us up to Org-built Space Stations was ABRUPT i.e. because it's still not in-game, whereas S42's HAND-USABLE interaction missing from other demos was (somehow) MORE ABRUPT. I also want the floating-above-wrist mobiGlas from the S42 demo... the 'verse one in-game right now is still a bit like a smoky stick poking the player in the eye.

[@violetvex4154]

Agreed the mobi and quantum from sq42 was so good as well as the armour rack animations

[@Fuar11]

Wait was the first person kinethestics interaction in the PU? I didn't catch that

[@MikePhilbin1966]

@@Fuar11 not yet. :( and ZERO-G space-bar targeting PROVES that they could easily use z-depth centre screen to bring out players' hand(s) to push buttons, pick up cups and grab helmets out of boxes on the floor WITH ONE CLICK.

[@Fuar11]

@@MikePhilbin1966 I'm sure it's coming! They just need to find a way to make sure it works looking at other players bc immersion i guess

[@furyiv]

Exploration is intrinsic to many of the game loops on the way, even if it isn't expressly named. Explorers will be searching for the higher quality materials or best ground locations, selling the coords/marker to an org for a tidy price.

[@LucidStrike]

They DID name it tho. It was part of the 1.0 presentation. But yeah, would've been nice to see more coverage of the gameplay and development regarding exploration/ data running, but there's always ISC 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@pilongaracing8902]

Dont count with that, Test Squadron has got 15.000 members.

[@ChristoffRevan]

​@@pilongaracing8902TEST isn't organized, they're just a bunch of random people who don't really work together that well. I guarantee when the game gets to 1.0, many of the big orgs are going to implode because keeping orgs alive will be costly and require a lot of time managing logistics and activity of members. Not to mention that org leaders in many orgs are likely to become distrustful of people and then act like little tyrants to maintain operational security, and not many people like to be cogs in a wheel when playing videogames so many members will leave

[@joeswanson420]

Data running would've been nice but a lot of what they covered for upcoming exploration deals with finding the best spots to settle/new material zones.​@@LucidStrike

[@furyiv]

@@pilongaracing8902 so?

[@DanteSerrano007]

I really like your takes here, guys. Not deep in hype and lots of questions - exactly where I am. Editing my take here - THANK YOU for mentioning the Galaxy being missing. That was a HUGE disappointment for me. Again, editing my comment adding that you both are doing an awesome job of holding them accountable for site-purchased item recovery. I think they're a little cray-cray for not working on this because losing what you buy is a MAJOR downside of buying them in the first place.

[@ChristoffRevan]

Just because they didn't mention it at CitCon doesn't mean they aren't working on item recovery....their roadmap there wasn't an exhaustive list of the small details, it was more of the bigger picture

[@Gaigebacca]

I think 1.0 will be released pretty close to Sq42. They specifically called out space stations as 'end game' content, so could see another year plus for that after 1.0. I think Sq42 is delayed for two years to buy time for 1.0 to happen, not because Sq42 actually needs another 2 years of 'polish'. They know Sq42 will bring a huge influx to the player base for SC, so they want SC to be as close to 1.0 as possible before they release it.

[@jamesschmames6416]

If you think SQ42 is anywhere near done you are delusional. I think even expecting it to come out in 2026 is being overly optimistic.

[@Gaigebacca]

@@jamesschmames6416 maybe I'm delusional then.

[@karmaslap2252]

Realistic estimates are like 2030-2032 for 1.0. Your comment made me smile though!

[@LukeMancell]

​@@GaigebaccaI think you're on the money tbh, though I'd say 1.0 won't be ready when SQ42 comes out, but they'd want a somewhat solid experience minus the extra systems etc. for the PU at that point

[@jamesschmames6416]

5-7 years. Such an optimist.

[@AccidentalFriendlyFire]

Literally the reason behind the name of the game is about citizenship. What we were originally told is characters who are imported from a Squadron playthrough that won will have not just things like access to the Lightning, but also Citizenship. Characters not imported could earn it (but not the other rewards). Think of it like Starship Troopers, or more accurately like ancient Rome, which was a major inspiration for the story. No, it isn't only Citizens who can do base building. Only Citizens are allowed to buy land on some planets (think Bullseye here). Can you imagine the uproar of everyone who bought a Pioneer found out they had to do an entire mission series just to use it AT ALL? Basebuilding will go in with all building sizes. They said the Starlancer BLD *and the Pioneer* "will become available with basebuilding". I'm pretty sure the Pioneer is holding up basebuilding so they CAN launch it with all building sizes more than basebuilding needing all that work itself. "If they sold pets..." Second to last stretch goal before they stopped adding them, at $64m, was pets. That's why they keep mentioning it, especially with the kopions. They're coming. The Starlancer doesn't fill any hole between the Taurus and Corsair. The Corsair 74 and the Taurus 200; there are plenty of ships in that area including the MSR, CL, and Freelancer MAX. The Starlancer MAX is also above the Taurus, at 224. Now, if it were a gap being discussed between the Taurus and the Hercules, I'd say you have more of a point since the Hull B and Railen are both still in concept. There's a difference between changing a concept ship that is still in concept, with its gameplay yet to be put in the game, compared to a ship that needs changed because it's in the game and was before its gameplay was added, so it no longer makes sense. Both of those are different from changing a ship that was added with its gameplay in the game, flown for years, and then dramatically changed without warning (especially after a recent price increase "to reflect its capabilities" and shortly before a new ship gets added at the same price point, doing the same thing it used to do, but with added benefits). John Crewe specifically said one rain for the Ironclad is to get assets for starting on the Kraken. I think the message was the next capital after the Polaris is the Kraken. Master Modes is all the evidence you need to understand that when CIG says a system will force you to play the way they want you to, they WILL force you no matter how blatant it is. I'm sorry, instanced fleet battles? I sat at my computer and watched the entire presentation while awake (so not live), and skipped interviews outside the actual panels. When did anyone mentioned this? Don't recall it being mentioned at all.

[@bilbob4g1nz]

The Citizen part has been explained before; you become a Citizen via playing Squadron 42, and if you do not have that, you would just be a civilian (Base Star Citizen). With what has been mentioned now, you have an access route without needing SQ42. SQ42 just allows for skipping the line (sort of).

[@furyiv]

Hard to instance a DC as it's above ground, you don't wanna see players about to enter a raid pop out of existence because they're now in an instance. Either way though, in the 1.0 panel they spoke very briefly about the underground zones of the DCs, as essentially being the same as the underground areas of AC

[@ChristoffRevan]

They won't pop into existence because they literally take elevators...that's what you'll see, lots of people getting out of elevators

[@SolarTara]

The likely reason for story and tutorial in PU now is likely because with SQ42, the narrative team members would have all had to of been fired, so they had to put them somewhere

[@CallousCyclone]

Question for all : With the Carrack having *Drones* AND *Modularity* is it within reason to think they might give the Carrack a fabrication module? Would give the ship a whole new lease on life and be a solid Medium/Large base or outpost establishment role - fingers crossed!

[@mandark10110]

I do agree that a concern for me, as a mostly solo player, is how these systems work for someone with limited time and "spacefriends"

[@AerodyContent]

So I guess they are now really starting to build the game. Still the engine is not done yet with planet tech. Bet when it does, maybe they start pushing out systems a bit faster

[@lovis1188]

I think i remember them saying that once they have completed the first couple of star systems, they will be able to considerably speed up the creation of new systems.

[@amiththomas3884]

We'll see. If they can get Nyx out next year then maybe. Until then we can't believe that statement until we see it.

[@1R3TR01]

I was surprised by the amount that was as far as grey-box! This CitCon left me so hyped!

[@MarinerKyle]

My understanding is that the SEAL presentation was SC's version of territory control for the purpose of explaining why player locations will have invincibility shields.

[@absentminded02]

"Blades" is a dead concept, There will be AI crew. which we might be able to hire through the various guilds. Which would be unlocked through Rep.

[@lovis1188]

Im pretty sure "blades" isnt dead. At least i hope it isnt. It would be pretty fucking unrealistic to no be able to have automated flak, which we already have in the current times.

[@kevinmoore9196]

we will need both

[@robertchandler2063]

I don’t think blades are dead since it’s done tech lol (it’s what NPCs ship turrets use) I think NPC crew is not 1.0 sorry for single player Andies. No matter what they have stated clearly no pilot AI for player ships. One player one ship is the most you will get. So if you bought 100 ships hoping AI is going to crew it all sorry 😞

[@LucidStrike]

You've just missed information. Happens. They just recently reiterated yet again in something regarding the Polaris that any ship will be able to use blades to use turrets as point defense systems. I don't understand this phenomenon of folks assuming CIG has cancelled shit just because it hasn't been mentioned in the past 2 weeks. People did the same thing with ship modularity. I think y'all just have some type of development anxiety, if not general anxiety.

[@robertchandler2063]

@@LucidStrike yeah blades are a thing but there has been 0 talk about NPCS. The only thing I know for sure is there are no plans for pilot AIs for player ships and they never will they don’t want fleets of ships from one player.

[@wisdomandy9361]

The space station stuff was pretty cool but it's only going to be viable for mega corps. I really hope they do a much smaller version for the 50 player corps.

[@JamestheKilljoy]

as someone in a smaller org, we work with many other orgs. we have already agreed to work together to build an alliance space station. i suggest doing something similar

[@tullan1652]

I remember back in the day they said they expected Nix to be out around six months after Pyro. That was before the crafting and base building prioritization though, so it may have changed. Add to that, six months CIG time is usually different than normal time, so who knows.

[@ronelicabandi9706]

I can't decide if I like star lancer look. Dunno, I love it then a moment later I hate it, back and forth. Haha bought the concept thou.

[@bradthebreadstick]

The freoddysy

[@jful]

I really enjoyed this CitizenCon and didn't find it a let down personally. One thing that I wish we could have heard about in the 1.0 talk is what the plan is for all these old ships that need to be updated.

[@awesomeswifter1138]

the two biggest things i took from this sitcon were, 1. that all ships bought through pledge will be forever yours its just a matter of money to repair 2. while bummy they did openly share that they scaled back the system count for a 1.0 to 5 systems so in reality depending on how fast we start getting other systems could signal a closer 1.0 its all IFs tho

[@_larkin_321]

I think we will see 1.0 very close to the squadron release. It must be to take players over to the PU. Maybe not as well rounded as they (and we) would like, some professions could as well be delayed to a 1.x patch. But with the last major tech hurdle overcome with 4.0, they can finally go full steam ahead on all those features that require a finalized structure to be built upon.major

[@cerieti]

They didnt say only citizens can do base building. They said citizens can build in more zones.

[@stevenh9474]

I wonder if they are still planning to give people who finish the entire storyline of SQ42 - all three games - citizenship as an alternative option to the SC story? Maybe the new story idea is for a way to give citizenship before the single player games are completely finished. Also: The TAC is not coming for IAE this year. The TAC page states that it will come in 2025. That might mean Invictus, though.

[@SuperTyrannical1]

pet giant miniature space hamster boo coming 2025. 😁 Also it's worth pointing out that the Carrack has a drone room too. As an exploration ship it would make sense that it would have the capability to set up a research base somewhere or a military FOB in it's past as a military ship. That would make it's cargo hold make a lot of sense and really usefull too for exploration. You could load up and explore find a planet and have the materials in a hold to build a small research station. Also a bit of a correction on not being able to fly in heavy suits. They never said you wouldn't be able to fly but they said it would hinder flying in some way mentioning maybe making the flying less maneuverable etc. Which is a bit weird.

[@GrumpyChops]

It’s astonishing, all the work that’s going on. The stuff from day one, the planet tech looks amazing! Looking at that I could see uses for ground vehicles and exploration. Then for day 2! Construction, construction, construction! If it all works out the way they’re pitching it, then finally we’ll have exploration, science, data running and a place to call home! If nothing else, we now have an idea how they’re planning to bring these things into SC.

[@XeroJin84]

They showed a bunch of JPEGs.

[@GrumpyChops]

@@XeroJin84 yeah I didn’t say it was anywhere near ready, can’t see it being ready for years to come but the ideas are there which is more than we had before.

[@XeroJin84]

@@GrumpyChops my comment is from "all the work that’s going on". They've showed us JPEGs. I do like the concepts, yes.

[@reyork]

Regarding citizenship, when heading to the elevators leaving Klescher, the guy on PA says, "...good luck back in the world, civilian".

[@Oh_Foe_Sho]

The other cool part about the insurance to warranty or lack of is that once that goes live and we have ship crafting it might mean if you bought and lost a carrack with no warranty you might be able to buy one from an org or player for a cheaper price than the 34mil that it currently costs. I choose A18 because others usually do not choose it.

[@raging_naclholic4636]

The grey box wasn't really grey box it was more of just placeholder asset mockups, like just a general block out using some pre-existing assets and lightly modeling some new ones pretty standard workflow with level design once your artists starts locking down different things

[@criticalchai]

I think the problem with blades is that each one will count as an NPC for purposes of the server having to consider the logic With too many big ships you are going to have issues of needing so many blades that the server will be spending all its time working on that instead of encounters unless they prioritize encounters... then the blades will be sitting around for minutes before noticing the fire they have to put out or shoot at enemy ships. As much as I would like to have blades it makes a lot of sense to put them on the back burner. They didn't talk about hacking or computers so my guess all of that will come in on a 1.1 patch. I do hope they get the boarding ship in by the time those stations come online. going to be a lot of boarding actions with the stations. Oh the biggest minor cool features is with the stations and bases we will finally have a reason to use the PTV. they talked a lot about roads I like that they went with a more V-rising / last oasis style skill system. instead of it being some actual skill like skyrim you hunt down better and better gear you level up by working through the tech tree of gear and blueprints until you reach the level you want. As a solo to small group player I can see it looking a big dangerous for us but if we can form alliances then we can just form our own org and ally with the local big org and in return offer gear or repairs or something. or maybe form an alliance of small groups and instead of huge ship actions it would be lots of small surgical strikes that weaken them until another org can take them on. There is some room with alliances to allow small groups to get into bigger action if needed. Ship mining could definitely be changing. I wonder if there will be a head option that just bores down to ores instead of just rock mining. So you can pick the right head for what you want to do. Will this be an option for the mole? only problem with that ship is boring if it takes a long time is terrible for the outer wings. no one wants to sit and wait for the bags to fill. they would have to rework the mole or just not give it that feature. Overall I think its all looking good.

[@GuttedWrenStudios]

One thing that's been overlooked is zero crafting ships were sold, even the Starlancer and Argo CSV versions. They might be holding this off until IAE, but why not now?

[@s1lentw1nter]

What I’m about to say is speculation based on legal information: The reason the Starlancer BLD and CSV-FM may not have been sold could be due to specific consumer laws in Germany that do not allow sale of pre-orders without a precise delivery date, CIG cannot give a date for the ships because they have no date for the base building gameplay.

[@TheEVEInspiration]

The "down to Earth" podcast :) Nicely done, interesting talk and opinions!

[@cmdrjongo9965]

at first i was set back with the announcement on SQ42 release date but having rewatched the live game play it homed home its not ready. it showed me there are still alot of bugs. and waiting abit longer will be worth it.

[@sailyourface]

Agreed it still needs polish but i’m still dissatisfied that it’s not a fall 2025 release being a year from now

[@bakad7424]

I’m a nomad. I want to fly my own ship and live in it. Travel around doing random missions, sight seeing, and finding random POI.

[@nickdavidurban]

Man... as someone OUTSIDE of the Squadron 42 fandom, that demo was really a slog. "Humans fighting aliens" isn't so fresh a concept that it requires an hour to marinate.

[@Duncan275]

I know it doesnt seem reasonable, but there is a substantial crowd the legit enjoys the lengthy tactile process. Ie loading boxes, lengthy trips across system, swapping to the appropriate gear in the moments before leaving your ship. Yes it is less insta grat, high speed gaming, but to act like there is no reason people could and DO want this, is ridiculous to me.

[@LucidStrike]

8:55 Worth pointing out that saying much of what was covered is 12-18 months out doesn't mean none of it will arrive any sooner.

[@TheComander5]

I like everything I saw, but one thing remains a concern for me, and it's that it seems as if solo players/small groups of friends may just end up getting soft locked out of large sections of the game (large ships, creating larger things, space stations, etc.) unless they're just not talking about AI crew yet

[@Cblan1224]

Agree that it wasn't friendly to solo players. I was hoping to see some mainstream features, like a basebuilding UI that is controller friendly. Was hoping to get, "we are implementing real hdr on Vulcan and dx11" and if was hoping for way more DATES even though I know they hate them. Super disappointed in sq42 for being 2026. Also, I really expected a basebuilding module and timeline for the rsi galaxy

[@robertchandler2063]

Citizenship is not required for base building it’s just limits where you can place them in lawful planets.

[@ClowdyHowdy]

Glad to see things finalized, but i think we all know its going to be a slow march to 1.0

[@sly567]

Such a great show Tomato. Citizen Con left behind more questions than answers, can't wait to see you unpack it all. I thinking Nyx is going to be battle grounds with the Vanduul after Ian mentioning in day 1 Nxy get Vanduul raids = more content less systems, which is ok.

[@DavidRyanTaylor]

Yep. The player base will roughly be the same, regardless if we have 5 systems or 50. But, with 50 systems, we’ll be so spread out, we won’t have as many interactions.

[@karacogaming3121]

I think as far as sub flair we will have the blueprints for those items already researched.

[@furyiv]

I'm not sure it's gonna take too long for them to go from mobi app concept to actual mobi app

[@ThorbjrnPrytz]

the Worm could be in game Soon™, but the monsterhunting game loops, and usability for harvestables is more likely 12-18m out..

[@mrtinythumb5363]

i have a suggestion. make some kind of social ingame only stuff. like the website or forums. is ONLY accessible in-game :D

[@Cathrynne]

Events like Citizencon helps content creators make contents to retain and add subscribers but the real question is whether are the features showcased ever get to be implemented fully in the near future or are they going to be constantly pushed back by CIG whilst hoping players keep buying ships that only has fraction of the actual working features? If only players be much more prudent on what they willing to purchase with their hard earned real money forces CIG implement much more contents to entice players...

[@SgtHack802]

The original plan was the player finished squadron then is awarded a fighter. Then you start star citizen as a citizen

[@coina-dig-tion6322]

Who thinks we’ll still get to use the Galaxy to build?

[@mobbin4502]

We better 😂

[@coina-dig-tion6322]

@@mobbin4502 did you see John Crewe's spectrum comment on this!? I bought the Galaxy after attending CitCon last year because I am a HUGE fan of base building.

[@Kallivakgames]

I think this year has been the push to server meshing. When and only when they have server meshing will the production on everything else really begin pushing. Everything depends on server meshing. 4.0 is the make or break patch.

[@robertchandler2063]

Instances activities are required for tailored experienced. There is only so many open world things you can do where you can randomly start and end that can be good. Siege of Orison proved that.

[@essentialasa]

I'm expecting basic base building between summer and citizen con, by which I mean a hab and item fabricators. I'm basing that on what Jon Crewe said. Monster hunting, particularly Apex hunting, maybe by IAE next year. They have to have the new refining model in place for that. I think most of the year will focus on crafting and balancing things. I am open to being way off on all of it. I'm just guessing after all. I also expect a lot of broken patches early on. They're going to try to align updates with sales much like this year so I expect more updates like the 3.24 cycle. My biggest reach is that insurance changes will start coming once crafting of components is more solidly in game.

[@jedi_drifter2988]

IMO the Ironclad can easily become a base building/manufacturing ship, with all the portable/mobile equipment introduced at Citcon. Even repairing itself and refueling with ROC mining along with the portable refineries. It will also be ingame way before the Pioneer or Starlancer base builder ship.

[@sjoervanderploeg4340]

MDA: The date is like the ten second timer, you know you can do it in five seconds and have five seconds spare... but because you have those ten seconds ticking away this causes stress and you are more likely to need more than five seconds. This is the aesthetic of time, not having a date is a good thing and 2026 is not "two" years away... we are in 2024 one year away is October 2025 and 2026 is only two months later!

[@Hamisback]

Day 1 was amazing. Day 2, I felt the same vibes as I did in 2016-2019... which isn't too good.

[@robertchandler2063]

I mean they didn’t say 2025 or 6 it literally just what they need to finish to make 1.0 a thing.

[@furyiv]

Player stations in safe space are protected, stations in hostile space are only protected if they win the rights to protection, otherwise you get raided.

[@cerieti]

I dont think Casa has to worry about material value, as these things go, rarely are the margin THAT different. So sure you might miss out on slightly extra due to avoiding high value materials but at the end of the day the difference couldnt be that great and is likely for ppl chasing min-max

[@mau-kaos]

The video i was waiting for trought this weekend

[@crusaderenergy7]

You guys talk about sub flairs, on how to get them back, the same would be for concierge items. Not a word about it on CitCon either. Normally those items will be back when they reset their servers, but that will end (most likely) after the 1.0 My take on it are that there should be a terminal next to the ship terminal, but for items that are account based (not for items that are bought ingame). That will also include items that you got through any kind of reward, and are account based. This could have been solved years ago, and still its not in the game, and they refuse to even talk about it. If the items have been stolen, they should after its reclaimed, the original item should be marked as stolen, just as ship that have been stolen will be marked as stolen once its reclaimed.

[@tomvrancken6489]

Wasn't it so, that if you finished the SQ42 campaign, you could transfer your stats to the MMO ? Meaning your citizen status and rep could already been build by playing through the singleplayer OR you go through it again, or first time, in the MMO ??

[@reamoinmcdonachadh9519]

Turning "game life into a work life AS a game life" LoL, the irony!! I want to PLAY in the 'Verse, NOT 'LIVE' in the 'Verse.

[@R4x8]

I feel the exact same way. With all the changes to cargo, salvage, etc, plus now adding base building and needing to farm materials to build and and and and.......This "game" is turning into a job with a company that you have to pay to work there.

[@SgtHack802]

@@R4x8I hated it. It want a game not going to work every day😊😢

[@TheGlassSword]

I’m am fine skipping the Starlancer I might upgrade to it temporarily just to see it but I have the Taurus and an Ironclad… I think I’m fine now I am happy they defined SC 1.0 now I know exactly what place in the verse I want and how I want to do it

[@Dumb-Comment]

Come on it's in the polishing stage, a two year window is like a standard for triple A titles, 2026 isn't really that far out

[@Griefball]

Do you think sq42 will still reward citizenship? I think it makes sense, since it would kind of work as a "new player experience"

[@justalex4214]

For me all this citcon did was make me worry about the game's future. Not because the lack of details of the 1.0 presentation, but rather because of the time frame. Sq42 is still 2 years away once again and 1.0 5 to 7, or more. There's no guarantee that CIG can even keep the funding going for such a long period of time. What if sq42 flops? What if their ship sales events don't generate enough revenue anymore? They were already pushing pretty hard this year. Once the money dries up it's pretty much game over. This is what scares the hell out of me.

[@Fractured676]

My biggest concern from citcon, is them saying they wont have 100 systems and i dont remember them giving us any number after that. Are we just going to get 5-10? Or we looking at 50+ still? Everything else was awesome.

[@MaserJ0e]

I think they will just slowly release solar systems gradually like expansions along the lifetime of the game

[@Fractured676]

@@MaserJ0e Oh ya, thats to be expected. But I'm really hoping we get a good chunk before 1.0. Especially with how much they are pushing base building?

[@rong6371]

lol Pets were a stretch goal. One of the last, if I recall.

[@ClowdyHowdy]

When i see the stuff for 1.0, its hard for me to guess. The wild estimates of 5-7 years feel like they are based off of a state that the game is no longer in. However, saying 1.0 is like 2 years away feels like its overly ambitious and not reflective of the technical and gameplay challeneges that need to be resolved in a long slog before then. The systems for many of the features are not all that far off. They have kitbash pieces for stations and they have engineering stuff in the works, which will all essentially drive the same permission systems in game for ships, stations, and bases. I think they will have most of the basic 1.0 ideas in game in two years, but i dont think it will be ready for primetime in two years. They will need to make the game stable and tested while improving the player experience in too many areas. As such, i think 3 years for 1.0 release is close, but we will get a good chunk of the systems working within in the next two.

[@anthonybunney29]

It's gonna be the salvage ship misc fortune

[@CatsAreRubbish]

I thought it was bizarre that they spent most of the last presentation basically giving a text-heavy lecture on what was essentially just "lore"... and then they rolled out the concept art for player run stations. Like, it makes me think of Bethesda Games and Starfield and how they've used up people's goodwill in terms of recycling the same old ideas and strategies. I think most people just roll their eyes now when SC reveals something like player controlled stations because we all know they're at least 5 years away - so why even mention them now? Tell us in 4 years time when they're just around the corner like any normal developer! 😡

[@ChristoffRevan]

Um, this is open alpha development, they tell us these things because they're being transparent about what path they are taking. This is the first time I've heard someone whine about being given too much information, usually people whine about thinking they don't hear enough 😂

[@CatsAreRubbish]

@@ChristoffRevan Wake up. Literally NOTHING they showed us this weekend will be anywhere near the game for 2 years at least, most of it 5 years. That's not normal. Other games that are big enough to have their own conventions will show off stuff that is ready to play, next season's content (the next 6-12 months of content) and maybe a teaser for their next game which is still a few years out... not wall-to-wall concept art and flavour text of the next 5 year's proposed roadmap.

[@johnkim5718]

@@CatsAreRubbish Bro if they mention dates you whine, if they don't mention dates you automatically assume it's 5 years out and whine. What do you want them to do? Also, if you pay attention, while they don't mention dates, the vast majority of what we saw will be in next year. This is basically confirmed by the fact that the Pioneer is on the ship roadmap to be released next year, and they specifically show in one of the slides for the Pioneer that it will be released AFTER base building is implemented. That means base building is released next year. Furthermore, base building basically has crafting as a requirement, on top of the Pioneer having internal manufacturing bays to build small ships and vehicles, so that also confirms crafting for next year.

[@hawkzulu5671]

@@CatsAreRubbish cry online.

[@CatsAreRubbish]

@@johnkim5718 Nice strawman. If they confidently said "this, this and this will be released on 15th May 2025" I'd be perfectly happy... But they never do that, I wonder why? /s (they'd just end up delaying anyway). When they DON'T mention dates I just assume that it'll be EXACTLY as it's always been... years away or simply swept under the carpet! All these vapour-dates they give or imply are just draining. The Hull C was put in the game before the relevant cargo trading gameplay loop was even feasible so there's a good chance that even if the Pioneer makes it into the game in the next 12 months the relevant gameplay loops will either be completely bare-bones and barely functional or simply not in the game. And what about dropships? What gameplay loops are they meant to facilitate again? Also, they're going to have to get land claims and bases working within the server meshing framework which could continue to be a dev bottleneck.

[@outbackbaron]

No the pioneer should not be sold as is off the pledge store, it’s a limited hull ship and apart of the F5 war. It’s meant to be limited, if they start selling a limited hull series now then they’ll have to open up the idris, hull e, 890 jump too

[@SpartanElite925]

What is the purpose of the drone room in the carrack? Will these be construction drones or?

[@c-shepard]

Insurance was implemented to increase realism in the game, not serve as a platform to weaponize and gouge players further. CIG changing how insurance works in the game for the first time in 12 years was extremely dumb decision. Especially on the heels of the ATLS fiasco. I'm going to make a few predictions here. First, I'm fully expecting CIG will be quickly releasing a clarification as they are being bombarded on the matter. Secondly, I feel this was an attempt to offer tiered insurance as part of their subscription platform strictly to maintain the "decorations" portion of player ships. This feels haphazard and rushed, there were even spelling mistakes on the slides summarizing these changes at Citcon. Personally, I've been completely put off by their conduct with this. It's created huge confusion and worry from backers. Proper thing to do here is give existing backers what they want and be fully transparent about their intentions.

[@Ultrajamz]

Law, social, and rep are critical… but hard to really give feedback when stability remains such an issue

[@hakura4539]

They need to release the hull b. They have the c working and a but we are needing that go between

[@thisishaggard]

Shoutout Mrs. Tomato!

[@robertchandler2063]

I think Tonato need a to go through each panel again. I finished the third time (I watched mikes, Berks, and tomatoes reaction) and it’s much more clear what’s going on .

[@CoWilco]

🎉

[@cicio7777]

What happened to the RSI Galaxy and it's large building module from Citizen Con 2954?

[@LucidStrike]

26:25 Since not everyone will play SQ42 and get citizenship through that, I guess they needed to provide another route. As for only citizens being sble to own ships, doesn't jibe with the ability to renounce citizenship or the fact that people from unallied space can't just be robbed in UEE soace without consequence. 🤔

[@izraphailzero5610]

About "gray-box building looked good". Tomato, please, rewatch the presentation of Pioneer and the building feature from a long time ago. It looked almost the same (they presented that building tech as something for devs but with potential to be given to us)

[@furyiv]

That wasn't in greybox, that was in prototype. He has videos on the development cycle. Greybox is pretty far ahead in that cycle.

[@reamoinmcdonachadh9519]

Prospector might be (finally) be able to surface mine a deposit.

[@good_speed_0h]

I'm must excited for resource extractions 😍😢

[@robertmorrison107]

15 years development on a 1 billion dollar+ production budget.

[@cerieti]

I mean you guys talked up the worm but is it that serious that it might not come for a year? Lets be real its just one enemy an ultimately (independent of a monster hunting system) a very small aspect of the game. Most ppl might fight the worm once and then never again. Thats to say I dont think its a big deal. Now im sure the next point is "well we still want monster hunting" but as far as I know that wasnt even a feature we were expecting. So ultimately I think it was just a point of excitement and a way to show the loop they plan on bringing to the game.

[@scoopssquad7536]

I thought you were supposed to get citizenship after completing Squadron 42.

[@vamperic]

3-4 years imo for 1.0 Because really the things that take the longest is tech..and SM is the final core tech, now it's mostly all content and them building out Genesis more AI blades/Crew imo is prob pre 1.0 not in 1.0 specifically so not mentioned in that panel

[@robertchandler2063]

Exploration is not going to be ED style it is finding resources and doing science and mapping terrain especially for base building . Most of that requires the new crafting and base building. So yes it will be last profession in game .

[@lagaffe91]

It was so cooool

[@YelmurcW]

We just had a Citizencon and we have no idea what will be in 4.1

[@kwcnasa]

Resume @25:00

[@Trikie77]

this is still years out in the furture lets hope we just get haf of thats they are showing within the next 2 years of the org setup system an more people on shards it all looks nice we need somthing here an now not in in 5 years they need to start to deliver somthing that can give more contents for the alfa testers they can do

[@izraphailzero5610]

The biggest issue is that the only "risk" in risk vs reward is the PVP. Why? They can't imagine any other types of risk? Enviromental? PVE? Rep lose? etc. etc.

[@blaqbastion1501]

Rep loss is already a thing

[@notoriouspc]

PVE has risk and i'd imagine with better servers it will be considerably harder. Pyro is also confirmed to have environmental risk. And like the other guy said rep loss is already a thing, and they showed it will be expanded upon

[@rickshaw3397]

They said theyre saving alot for jared and the shows

[@viperswhip]

I thought if you played Squadron you were a Citizen in the Verse.