Crafting & Basebuilding Are Taking Over Star Citizen (Ft. RedMonsterSC) | Launch Sequence Podcast

[@RedMonsterSC]

Once again, thank you for having me on the show and for the in depth discussion! It's always a pleasure going into these deep dives and, while some of it is speculative, I think it helps shape the future of the game for a better overall player experience.

[@EchoBit]

Could listen to you talk about mining and base building for hours! Thanks for being on the show and sharing your thoughts! 💖

[@iwantbrains]

how are you going to do it now?

[@RedMonsterSC]

@@iwantbrains I assume you are asking about the mining location charts? As of now, I'm planning to move over to a manual survey which is going to be pretty painful. I'm not backing down on my criticisms for CIG that we need better developer-owned tools to get this information into players hands, but in the absence of that type of information, the least we can do is make it easier for players to collect and summarize that data. It's not something that's ready now, and might take some time, but I'll be focusing efforts around that.

[@223branbran]

loved the convo but where can i get that shirt brotha.

[@NicholasRyan0723]

I'll be crafting a tier 3 Whammer's burger for sure

[@JL-rj9fl]

Likewise. Triple stackin' for sure.

[@RedMonsterSC]

Can I stop by?

[@marcusanthonyPOV]

Open your store right across from Whammer's and put them out of business.

[@Borrick29]

I'm starting to really love your podcasts. Been long time backer from 2013 and over the years, saying that just to say that your content still feels fresh and interesting. Thanks for the hard work.

[@BestShifty]

In a throwback to one of the previous episodes with Morph, the degradation of player properties on inactivity is also something that was in Star Wars Galaxies. Whenever you come across a base you know that there is at least a semi active person behind it and that the "best spots" aren´t hogged by players that started early and then quit the game long before you picked it up somewhere down the line. In SWG this was especially important for player run towns as this would ensure that there are no dormant buildings blocking good spots for eternity.

[@Zrillax]

There is also an additional element from EvE Online that would work amazingly in SC; Power production on bases consuming fuel, adding an element of continuous fuel consumption, where bigger bases having a larger fuel consumption, and thereby requiring more upkeep. If your base runs out of fuel, defenses go down.. and Battery-packs could be installed to increase the countdown time from when fuel runs out, until defenses go down.

[@juanacevedo519]

In terms of base, I'm interested in trying to make a farm so i can deliver food to other players. Basically, it's a big food delivery service of weekly orders of X-scu of cargo.

[@theg0z0n]

@@juanacevedo519 that sounds amazing, and like something that a lot of players would go for. I have plans for a lot game loops, but not food.

[@Maglouk]

That sounds like fun, would also be nice if some stuff can be used to produce charge for the medicinal tools/ship beds aswell. Half joke but an advanced pie factory with custom logo packaging would be cool, albeit a little silly

[@heru_ur6017]

Prepare to wake up in Hospital a lot.

[@fwdcnorac8574]

@@heru_ur6017 FOOD POISONING?

[@MichaelDBruce]

One of things that swg did really well was encourage the cooperation between players to make bigger and better things. Crafting worked differently there obviously on a class and level progression vs free to do anything. As your crafter leveled up they got access to make more things. An item might need 2 metals and 2 organics to build and would be a better quality if you put better material into it. Some crafted items would create deeds like speeder bikes or buildings, then you would activate the deed to release the item. When you started to put homes in a shared location, it formed cities. The more active players and buildings unlocked more for the city until you could place things like cantinas, shuttle ports etc. there really wasn't anyone wondering how they might carpet bomb someone's hard work.

[@stephanmilius3598]

Planets will be way to small. CIG currently aims for one regional shard. Therefore CIG already wants to combine all land claims of the shards of one region and represent them in-game (→ You can see claims and buildings of other shards represented in yours). Add to that all the claims of NPCs settlements (Starchitect wants to put thousands of them onto a planet) and general not suited environments (mountains or water surfaces). CIG themselfs already have stated they would like to enlarge the surfaces but there are technical challenges (like memory).

[@forcommenting1017]

I don't know man, it's a lot of land we are talking about. Every moon, every planet in 2 systems. Hurston alone is a 6th the size of earth and the game population is unlikely to ever be even a fractional percentage of Earth's population. Also, Earth is 2/3rds water and yet there is still untouched wilderness. Multiply that by however many times and you get a sense of the scale. Everything seems small now, but it's because you can travel so fast. 200 klicks in as many seconds? That's some serious speed.

[@stephanmilius3598]

@@forcommenting1017 Have you looked down from Port Tressler onto New Babbage and how much space this one relative small town occupies?

[@jrzgcwrocks]

I truly see your point but the comments are eating you up. We have too much space ESPECIALLY when you account for asteroid bases & space stations in the future which will absolutely ease off of planets & moons!

[@PeterM.22]

It might not be enough space if the land claim system is too cheap, or easy to defend. The maintenance costs need to scale well enough to deter people from buying up whole sections of a planet or moon. They also need to strike the right balance between the strength of defenses, and the ease of raiding so that no group of any size will be able to defend a disproportionate amount of land.

[@stephanmilius3598]

@@PeterM.22 All factors to consider. However I believe many people will try this out (me included) and most of it will be in highsec systems.

[@joejjj4378]

as much as I really enjoy this talk and really like the stuff you are saying, you are just making stuff up. The speculation is into the insane levels in this video

[@AlexisK]

Hey Tomato. I think there's a major confusion. Base raiding is still possible when the owner is offline in high-security systems. At 7:40min all the way to 8:28min of the Q&A Crafting video from CIG, he said "Which shard that is, is dynamic based on rule-set and if it's the one were the owner is online" .... "When it comes to attacking, it will be on a single shard". The confusion is at 8:08 when Disco asks two questions into one by saying "if you're offline, is my stuff always safe..."

[@RicoZaid_]

It's a good point, but I think stuff means anything the player owns.

[@AlexisK]

@@RicoZaid_ I'm inferring it's not the case because from an engineering standpoint, even the ones who are just interacting in a non-raiding way are causing state changes on the base. However, it's irrelevant for our conversation because high-security bases are shielded, so those state changes wouldn't happen in a raiding way. From a game-mechanic standpoint, you wouldn't be able to raid a high-security system's base in the first place. However, if they start allowing hacking and spying, then it's a problem.... I made a post on spectrum called "Base Raiding Across Different Shards" with different options for players that have shields and don't have shields on their bases

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

It sounds like you can't raid a base in high security in general due to these shields. I think as long as your stuff is locked down it can't be damaged or taken in a shielded areaa, which all high security places are.

[@AlexisK]

​@@SpaceTomatoToo that's correct! but then why did they mention you can raid it if the owner is online? (that was not for low-sec). Therefore we can infer there is a chance to have premediated base raiding. At some point previously, they also mentioned they want to push towards ground war and infiltration for bases... there's your next podcast topic 😊

[@cdkraft]

Former SWG player and many other MMOs. SC has so much potential and I am super hopeful. A few key things worth mention. Make all BP limited run. Otherwise they become worthless. Creates a lot of trade. Account/character specialization. You really want to force account choices such that trade is required. Maybe I can scan down resources well and craft tier 1 materials but not more. Maybe I have poorer scanning but can specialize crafting to create up to tier 4 materials of a specific type (shields or guns or armor…etc…).

[@jg51ogg]

Love RMSC Sunday morning mining. Good way to see how the professionals do it while having a cup of coffee and getting my football bets in for the day.

[@Zrillax]

In my opinion they should carry on with the mixed mineral deposits, and introduce the quality aspect to the refinery and manufacturing side of professions. In real life, with for example gold, you will never find different types of gold, just different purities, and the purity is what defines the quality. in order to increase the purity, you regulate your refining process. I would suggest an Industrial process would be like this: Mining affects selection and quantity of raw ore Refining step #1: process selection affects quality of material from ore Refining step #2: combine materials into meta-materials (ie: combining copper and tin to make brass) Production step #1: produce parts from materials, with quality of the part depending of quality of the materials and material types Production step #2: combine parts into products Production step #3: combine products into more complex products / vehicles / ships...... And of course, the salvage process would be similar, with the addition of the crew being able to disassemble components from the salvage target prior to salvaging the ship hull. This is where the cargobay of the Reclaimer comes into play.

[@danielmilushev2532]

In EVE when you attack structure you have a time window so all sides will know when you will have to defend and attack....

[@AryannaMuskrat]

Am I alone in thinking that refining materials to make higher quality items could be a fun gameplay loop? Like with all these refining ships coming out, have them able to do basic refining but if you want quality results you could take them to a base refinery or pay a very large some for an NPC refining. Then they could have gameplay intergrated to refine the ore into the quality materials you need, the better equipment you have the higher quality you can produce

[@jedi_drifter2988]

Here's a question for ya ... What happens when "Death of a spaceman" happens ? Do you lose some or all of your blueprints ?

[@kermkerm]

I don't think you lose any, there's an inheritance tax as far as I'm aware for physical items and ships, however I'm pretty sure that blueprints carry over. Not sure though.

[@senn4237]

DOAS will never come in the way CR originally laid it out.

[@callsigngrimdoll]

@@senn4237 Oh, you're from the future. Is dubstep cool yet?

[@kermkerm]

@@senn4237 It says on the roadmap that it will be permadeath

[@wraith511802003]

@@senn4237 DOSA is 100% necessary to cull the KOS kids an RUST style players.

[@2panzur]

Great discussion as always.

[@llillian4055]

I feel most ores should overlap, but efficiency should drive the separation, and that some very specific ores should be in their own "lane", like quantum fuel should be mined and refined by the Starfarer, cave gems should be hand mined or with skill roc mined, etc. Scanners should be tunable to different types, such as "find hand mineables" etc. There should still be ores that have multiple minerals possible in them, because without that refining gameplay would be extremely thin. And finding the gem for your sabre of light? Hand mine only with a max quality mining tool :)

[@nitestrykr]

Really hoping we get to see some of these features before 1.0 launches...

[@hephaestion12]

We ought to - cant do it all at once can they? Surely? 😅 I mean we need the crafting tech first hopefully

[@stratvids]

You will see almost all of it before 1.0. 1.0 represents when all of this is done.

[@ChristoffRevan]

That's literally the plan...1.0 isn't releasing with all of the stuff on the roadmap all at once, they're slowly releasing things over time and then once they're all in, they can announce 1.0 once the alpha is an actual stable, relatively bug free experience; without the stability and lack of major bugs, they CANNOT declare 1.0.

[@kermkerm]

@@ChristoffRevan Yup, precisely. CIG stated that both optimization and bug fixing were criteria that have to be met before a 1.0 release.

[@MidnightWolfSDJ]

I think there should not be a pop up notification when you shoot a base on another shard to prompt you if you want to go to that shard. I say pulling the trigger is grounds for automatically changing shards to make it as seamless as possible. There also needs to be ways of entering a shard without the use of force or alerting your position for the purpose of stealth raids. So if you do fire upon a base, the game should just automatically transition you over to that shard. I’d say for stealth raiding, you should be able to put on a stealth helmet that has good scanning capabilities. By scanning a base with your helmet, this should automatically transition you to the right shard. This would allow you to seamlessly transition you to the right shard without stupid pop ups that add more unnecessary clutter to your vision. As long as CIG makes it clear to the player the rules surrounding this, not every single thing in the game should have a “confirmation” prompt. The confirmation should just be the intended action you take whether it is firing a bullet or scanning the premise.

[@jackarcher3706]

My fear is that this sounds more and more like what happens in other mmos, low level crafting will only exist as a hurdle to get over financially. The cost to craft an item will exceed its profitability at lower crafting tiers. The cost of materials will exceed the cost of the crafted items. If this happens crafting will be very unenjoyable for new players…

[@augustwest9727]

1:03:00 Could always purchase things or sell things and then set up missions for other players or NPCs to move those things back and forth, while your offline.

[@MidnightWolfSDJ]

To add to my already existing comment in regards to shard transitions for raid purposes, I also would like to know if it is possible to dynamically spawning an instance bubble around a base/land claim. Like if CIG could somehow eventually Mesh shards together and just run bases and land claims on its own shard. So like if a player plops down a base/land claim the whole area would then just connect to the base building shard. This idea kinda rides on the idea of whether or not shard meshing is possible. Obviously we don’t want to sacrifice seamless transition so if seamless transitions are effected from Shard Meshing, then I say what CIG has planned is the way to go. But one more time I want to re-iterate, if someone opens fire on my base or if I open fire on someone else’s base, then please don’t ask me to go to that shard. Just put me there. Pulling the trigger is my confirmation.

[@fffx2]

All of this sure does sound neat

[@theg0z0n]

The favor red monster, subbed up

[@AEGYPT0S]

thanks i love those podcast =) Regarding base-building security, don't you think they should temporarily allow us to lock ourselves to a specific shard where we have our base and belongings? Similar to other random MMO/survival games. From a gameplay perspective, this would mean more available space, and if you find a base, it would belong to someone on your shard. From a development standpoint, they wouldn't need to create a cross-shard security system, which could eventually become obsolete.

[@leelowe6703]

They should introduce war declarations similar to how EVE works. In high sec you are secure until someone declares war, if war is declared the game should just force you on the same shards.

[@shadow7037932]

That's a terrible idea. No. There's way too much abuse with wardecs in EVE esp. larger Corps vs smaller ones. They should not have a formal way to declare war and if orgs want to do that, they should stick to lawless space.

[@soroban925]

So that it can be abused the way it is in Eve? Most EVE specific stuff needs to stay there.

[@leelowe6703]

@shadow7037932 "similar", declaring war against the land plot, warns the owner, then if you are online you can be attacked, if you don't defend then that's your responsibility. I meant this simply for the high-medium security areas after hacking the Comms and shields ect.

[@patattack2009]

I don’t know I don’t think that’s fair a year and a half ago we still weren’t sure if 4.0 is ever gonna happen if server meshing was ever going to happen and now it’s in testing. Yeah it’s rough it’s really rough and it may not be the game we all hope it was going to be but it’s there. And I’d like to add you are absolutely right Star Citizen live is the thing I look forward to every week thanks Jared!

[@CMDR_Scorpion]

#DontMentionTheHats ;) Great show as always..love RMSC content as well as ST content..

[@RedMonsterSC]

What hats are you talking about? That's just what I wear all the time.

[@pythohoar]

What hats? That’s just their hair… you didn’t know they are both redheads?

[@LucidStrike]

Actually, way back in 2021 or 2022, they already said they'd have to work up to regional shards and that only after regional shards could they even try for single shard. It was a comm-link. So, no, nothing has (yet) changed regarding their shard plans. 18397-Server-Meshing-And-Persistent-Streaming-Q-A

[@valorunkommon799]

Another example of the good idea fairy striking and causing a mass overcomplication of what the original intent was. CIG changes vision for this game like people change underwear Also - Keep in mind: just because there's a lot of land, does not mean there's a lot of valuable land. That's a false equivalency

[@silenceisgolden0]

How will property transfer between shards?

[@JClif]

I just want a little hide out to hold my stash of goodies that I have looted. 😊

[@shadow7037932]

I wonder how complex their ship crafting part is going to be. Will CIG follow the same concept as EVE capital ship construction where in order to build cap ships you have to make the sub components first (i.e. Capital Jump Drive) or will they will just require the raw materials for the blueprint.

[@sagamer3594]

Good question. Their videos give the impression that you get the whole ship at Tier 1 level. However it would make sense for you to be unable to build it if you didn't at least also have blueprints for all of the required components or possibly that you had constructed the components before constructing the ship 'frame'.

[@heavymetalsazabi]

Honestly my biggest fear with crafting is the tiers are either going to be too small to matter or to big to ignore, which is why i think unfortunately the only semi stable solution is you get a random secondary stat per tier and they cant roll the same stats because if you can get 50% weapon damage on a gun or 50% shield recovery on a shield or something its going to be insanely imbalanced. 1% weapon damage per tier faces the opposite problem in who cares though so i think 10% damage 10% reload speed 10% handling 10% accuracy 10% ads speed, or whatever is the only real option to some semblance of balance.

[@xSparkyX188]

Don't forget to tie this topic into the current super-debate of pvp and how, according to some streamers, you can never get away from that bc this is a pure pvp game, no chill, every play session will require a vacation day request from work and a 24 hour child care solution if you have kids.

[@Lampislife]

Pioneer, the mobile planet miner. Just park on a deposit and let it extract from the landing gear

[@bperras]

Dynamic server meshing will make the shard changing automatic, so this base-attacking issue is only an issue pre 1.0.

[@raikuma5432]

Crafting and BB will ensure Star Citizen's success in the long run.

[@blamsmith]

It'll ensure it gets finished by removing depth and adding crafting, not so sure about long term success. MMOs with crafting come and go all the time.

[@XMathiasxX]

Its a part of it for sure

[@cmdrls212]

unlikely. Too much imbalance and issues that they will never resolve

[@VinePest]

one for the algorithm!

[@wildphilpresents]

Either crafting is the new "road to 4.0" and we're going to be getting "force-hyped" for it for the next 5 years.....OR....it's far closer than they're letting on. My guess....Q1 2025. Which means player trading is right behind it or with it....which means...--=huffs hopium=-- BMM in the next 2 years?

[@jrzgcwrocks]

Brother you must've huffed the entire tank of hopium prior to chatting this 😭 BMM 2028 & apophis asteroid strikes continental US 2029 😭 game over man.

[@mebrian5728]

I would definitely not say Q1 2025, since they will likely use that time to polish the ever buggy 4.0 patch. Best I would say is sometime at the end of 2025 to mid 2026. Still keeping my expectations low, since that’s the best way to not get let down.

[@LucidStrike]

They estimated "12-18 months" for base building and monster hunting. It was the only estimate they gave at this CitCon besides SQ42 20026. Monster hunting, at least for the sandworm seems likely for 4.1, and crafting has to come before base building is done. So crafting being basically done in 2025 seems plausible.

[@mebrian5728]

@@LucidStrike Just remember to taper expectations. They will finish it, but they don’t always deliver “on time”.

[@bac42069]

There is a mountain of work that needs to be done before base building and raiding can happen. Everything is speculation until it is in the PTU.

[@12NGclan]

In terms of cost, I wonder if player crafted components and vehicles will undercut NPC ships and components

[@cyberclaw360]

T1 stuff might, the Npc stuff is the ancor In a sense. If they sell a t1 gun for 1k players will cost accordingly. Undercut on t1 most likly but that will be on the road to make t2 and t3. I think the player market will be dominated by the higher tier stuff more then tier 1, i could also be 1000% wrong lol

[@cyberclaw360]

I haven't heard a single person so far talk about. Performance vs durability you could for example have crazy high rof gun need maintance more often then a slower firing gun built for reliability oh. And how will that tie into the components. Can you make an industrial power plant that like a old 2.0 cavalier engine that just never dies lol. Who needs oil changes

[@bperras]

I think the current plan for crafting and blueprints, as currently described, kills the game for casual gamers. The only balance would be if CIG sells blueprints on the website, but then people would complain that the game is pay-to-win (again).

[@RicoZaid_]

1:13:13 tomato strongly believes people who spent money should not have an advantage over people who did not spend money. "Ships don't matter, components matter."

[@IianaDRK]

I think theres too much focus on the "sharded base" thing. This is just a stopgap. They even said in SCL that theyre going to reduce the shards eventually. Theres literally no point going into the pros and cons of it, cos eventually we're going to be on single shards. Whether thats a global shard or regional shards that have different instances. The multi shard base thing is not an issue

[@RoboticRaza]

I wonder how hard it would be to set a scanning level so from 0 to 1000 or hand mineable and 1001 to 5000 our prospector is above that could be the mole or something like that.

[@ShathAllenson]

I hope it gets as indepth as SWG, but I haven't seen it yet.

[@zarahandrahilde9554]

can't wait to RP industrial espionage and sell the locations of the highest quality material cargo to pirates.

[@richie20082]

I compare the Game Star Citizen to the old Tv series Firefly - Feck they both also call there systems the Verse lol , and in Firefly anything goes to make profit - but mostly illegal cargo and stealing etc lol

[@staticmass6794]

Two for the algorithm

[@jackarcher3706]

Re drones, I would bet it’s a nightmare to track the mothership, if it’s offline, destroyed, sold, not used for 3 years, etc. I’m guessing that’s why they are choosing destruction over deactivation.

[@sanctred]

TLDR: There is WAY more land than anyone will ever use for base building. Folks are DRASTICALLY underestimating how large the current planets and moons are currently. The average building space we can carve out on a planet or moon would be about 12 million squared kilometers just using the average size of 2000km diameter. Doing some basic math the estimated amount of buildable space in Stanton alone is between 100 - 200 Million SQ. KM of space between all the moons and planets. In a single region we're going to have what .. maybe 1 million players? Lets just say its 5 million players in a single region if SC is crazy successful after launch. With only 5 systems, estimated around 1 Billion Sq. Km of buildable space that would result in well over 200sq. km. per player in the verse. More than likely a mining claim will be what? likely sub 1km x 1km. Based on the Pioneer sales of 8km sq. plots we can assume that is a large plot size meant for orgs. All of these will take maintenance, taxes, and for non-lawful systems protection. Can you imagine any single person successfully claiming and maintaining 200+ sq km? Not to mention it's pretty much a given for them to post 1.0 launch start releasing additional systems with plenty of planets and moons spreading out the building area for players. A good % of the people playing I bet won't even finish the missions required to build a base in the lawful systems. Building bases in unlawful systems will be subject to griefing, raiding, and offline destruction. I can't imagine people spending all their time and money investing in these locations only to have it destroyed. These locations will be temporary player bases and more permanent org base locations in all reality. All that said.. I think our buildable space will be just fine and that is the least of our concerns in SC. Lets see if we can get elevators to work first then we can talk about running out of buildable base locations....

[@pxkqd]

If I build a base in Pyro and leave for a month, I'm fine it being destroyed. If I play daily 12h a day, I don't think the game should allow the base being raided when I'm offline. Makes no sense to punish active players for no reason. Attackers vs defenders is the better gameplay, not attackers vs offline defenders. Just limit the attacking windows daily to give a chance for the better gameplay to prevail, It's not that hard.

[@RasakBlood]

Just build in safe high security space.

[@MikeP2510]

No lifers who play 12 hours a day already have the upper hand, what more do you want?

[@MrSmith123123]

You know they can balance for Tier 5, and every lower level item will be a nerfed item.. so upgrades wont break the game. A Tier 1 pledged Gladius could be a hobbled nerfed one and Tier 5 crafted could be the Gladius we know right now...

[@kristianhawk]

So much for epic lineage and leaving your mark on the 'verse. Become a war hero, save a village, have a statue built in your honor. Character dies, move on to character's son, your new toon. "My dad was the Hero of Terra, he saved thousands from" - Who? Must've been another shard

[@kermkerm]

You can still do all of that in star citizen 1.0… how does crafting and base building hinder this?

[@ChristoffRevan]

​@@kermkermyeah just ignore him...he's one of those crazies from Spectrum that have these weird conspiracy theories and whacky ideas of what the game should be, and if CIG deviates from their ideas even slightly then they think the world is falling apart

[@fffx2]

You must have an IQ of 64

[@kermkerm]

@@ChristoffRevan There are too many people that talk like that in many comment sections, and it's really starting to tick me off. Especially the people who say that Star Citizen won't release for 5+ years, even though CIG has stated very clearly what will and won't be in 1.0 which shows that they do have an internal timeline. On top of that, when they show something in citizencon it usually takes approx 1-2 years to get in game WITH AN EXCEPTION for Pyro due to the fact that server meshing had some gnarly hitches. Then again, the system was mostly done, it's just that the technology wasn't. It was literally playable at citizencon at that point on its own. The world has enough pessimists, we need more optimists...

[@drganknstein]

Give me a break, it's a damn game bro

[@codetrauma]

In the world of SW engineering, you start with a clear plan and execute it. Being part of an ever evolving project is freakin miserable! I feel like Ol St. Chris needs to get out of everyone's way and let them build a game. They keep having to revamp entire engines because the plan has changed. All the meta-data for all of the resources should already be locked down.

[@theg0z0n]

You asked something to the effect of does it reduce your fun if you're not in a server with literally all the other players in your region. I prefer not to be. I hope that cig uses their tools to put murder hobos all into their own shard more often than not.

[@Captain-Bandolero]

@RedMonsterSC Ah, an industrial miner and salvager, you say? That’s like telling a pirate, ‘I’m a floating buffet!’ Don’t mind me, I’ll just be over here sharpening my grappling hooks. 🍖⚓

[@RedMonsterSC]

Sure, sure. The good news is there are people who prefer flying security for industrial players, which might make it a little difficult for the casual pirate.

[@Captain-Bandolero]

@@RedMonsterSC Oh, I’m counting on that! Nothing spices up a day like turning a 'casual pirate' raid into a full-blown fireworks show. 🚀🔥 Bring your security, I could use the target practice!

[@apolonios01]

I wish that with base building they put an empty system..a system with planets and moons only so we go there and build our own communities with our own laws..either lawful if lawless system..5 systems that are already occupied by someone for me aren't enough for 1.0

[@ChristoffRevan]

I'm so tired with you people....1.0 is meant to be the foundation of a stable, relatively bug-free game that's beyond a mere alpha. It's not meant to have everything that CIG wants, it's meant to be a realistic compromise of what they think is more achievable to get done in a shorter amount of years so that people aren't waiting another ten years or more for absolutely everything to be in SC that was ever talked about by CIG. 1.0 isn't the end...it's just the main stepping stone to allow a stable, playable experience where players can have real profession that matters as there won't be wipes anymore.

[@apolonios01]

@ChristoffRevan And I am so tired of you people that instead of asking me what I meant you just replied .... I said that I WISH.....I have the right to wish....yes I wish for them to put ONE empty systems for us to have a playground cause after 12 years of backing I DONT believe that they will put content every 3 months that he said....so yes my I wish for them to put one empty systems since according to them new systems are hard since they have a lot of poi......

[@tequila6955]

CR is trying to make an FPS EVE.

[@SolitarySpartan]

How can you not see that crafting makes SC more pay to win than ever before: 1. Purchase blueprint or materials using aUEC from the store or pay USD directly to a mega org for a discount. 2. Do this multiple times until you have your hull and all components to best in slot. 3. Club the casuals who don't have the time or funds to compete with you. This is how it has been for any MMO ever. Worse if they sell currency like CIG does.

[@idminister]

well yes, SC has always been about P2W and will always be, It is what CIG wants: Conceirges of highest tier, non-P2Wers are just there to fill out the crews of P2Wers

[@SolitarySpartan]

I agree. Unfortunately this literally makes the issue at least 5 times worse.

[@kristianhawk]

@@idminister Unless you're a solo player with a huge fleet. Then you've paid to lose, heavily

[@nickstinger4709]

The workers supporting and enabling combat players are the most vulnerable and will be the least rewarded. Only a select few will get good blueprints, and that's only when the combat players are feeling generous. Play a worker and be a second class citizen. That's Star Citizen.

[@nickstinger4709]

1. A rare material or blueprint is obtained on a difficult raid. 2. Org gives it to an Org player account the officers can use. Never to an individual player because players can disappear. 3. All the best crafted items will go to combat players so they can win more. 4. No fancy rewards for workers who support the combat players.

[@ChristoffRevan]

What an ignorant and doomer mindset...you need to take a chill pill

[@nickstinger4709]

I've seen it time and time again across so many games. Teach me another way it can work.

[@SpenzOT]

So true. Logistics is by far the least appreciated job, as well as the least rewarded. You have to like doing it for the sake of doing it, not because of the rewards.

[@PeterM.22]

Logistics might be the least appreciated, but it is the most important. Every scenario in the game will require logistics in some scale. The issue with orgs 'hoarding' all the blueprints is just the way it naturally becomes. Any government, gang, group, guild, org, etc. is incentivized to have some level of control over the resources of their group. Just like in other games of this style, most orgs will prioritize tasks and allocate resources from the group to accomplish their tasks. In the short term, it will be a rapid push to lock down any important blueprints and resources, with minimal distribution. Then, higher-level items will be handed out only to those that can effectively use them(and that will be done sparingly). Long-term, the baseline average equipment loadout of a player in an org will scale accorinding to how successful the org was early-on to secure these resources and blueprints. The more successful an org is, the more likely the average equipment quality of their members will be.

[@LeifPalmin]

People will destroy your base with no other gain then know that you be sorry when it is destroyed, because you used time on building it.

[@joejjj4378]

getting around the shards problem is not going to happen. might as well give up on that now. server meshing is not going to fix that. they would literally be going from meshing 5-10 servers which they have only just been able to maybe do, to thousands

[@JuanBrolo]

There's a much better way to handle the self destruction of drones.... When building a base let us make a drone storage vault.... That way when they are done building they just fly in and power off and are stored away instead of having to remake them every single time... It's just stupid why they thought self destruction was the option is just wrong.. More and more they seem to be taking reason for us to return to the game away. From the missile and Torp costs, to mission payouts and rewards, claim time, manually having to move every single item in the game, taking away ship inventory. Like sure "REALISM" at the end of the day it's still a game. And they can't sit on the fence with this stuff. They already made our ships from almost 1k years in the future fly like prop planes from WW2 lmfao which makes absolutely no sense at all I guess humankind didn't advance at all.

[@wakirk]

I think needing to 'shot a bullet' to know what shard its on is overkill, it's simpler, why not just put that info in the scan data. We scan the base, it says something like "Anomaly Detected: Base is partly out of phase" or some such technobabble, and you'll know if you can attack or not.

[@AccidentalFriendlyFire]

Nothing, and I mean nothing, should get actual balance passes at this stage. Way too much iyf still known to be changing.

[@Nanobits]

How about we fix all the current bugs and errors that we have had since day one before adding more crap to the game. I cant go a day without people complaining in the game about the non stop bugs, elevators not working, med beds not working, etc, etc, etc.

[@sunshoe-l5r]

That’s why I shut off the chat and focus on being immersed

[@therandom802]

Speculating on any of this is silly. More than a decade of development and here’s what ISN’T speculation…mining is hit or miss, cargo/trade is hit or miss, salvage is hit or miss, standing on planet surface is hit or miss, getting out of bed or into elevators is hit or miss…I could go on and on, but you get the idea. I don’t understand how anyone can be excited for (or even discuss) things like base building or crafting. We already know it WILL be half baked and mostly broken when implemented. It WILL break other things in game, and it WON’T get fixed anytime soon.

[@decapolis01]

if they cant fix elevators and you falling through the world....everything else they add to the game is pointless.

[@callsigngrimdoll]

As if they aren't going to fix that. ADHD has not place in star citizen.

[@decapolis01]

@@callsigngrimdoll 12 years of programming and they have not fixed it. Also, I would learn how to type English before you try and troll people with name calling and mental disabilities.

[@Zathul4198]

@@callsigngrimdollStill waiting 12 years for that lol. I love SC and continue to play through the years, but scope creep continues to bloat the project meanwhile core mechanical issues have yet to be addressed for over a decade of development. Let’s not play that “Soon (TM)” game.

[@jgrizz7943]

If High Sec. areas can't be raided then owners of High Sec. bases should not be allowed to base raid.

[@theg0z0n]

Tell me you enjoy ruining other people's fun without telling me you enjoy other people's fun.

[@forcommenting1017]

Grizz, the assumption is that everyone will have multiple bases, safe storage in Stanton and high risk, high reward bases in pyro. You don't need a citizenship to claim land in pyro, and I bet it's cheap.

[@theg0z0n]

​@@forcommenting1017I think you're overlooking the fact that most PVP players see other players as their content. That's why they get so upset when you talk about not letting them PVP you. It's the same energy as when cig nerfs a ship or removes the capability. PVP players see the separation between PVP and PVE as lessening the amount of content that they have access to

[@callsigngrimdoll]

The UEE has the tech and firepower to enforce the protection of the High Sec areas. It's why we pay the high taxes. Pirates get to build for free in return for the risk of being raided. Want to not get raided, don't live in a lawless system. What happens in Pyro stays in Pyro and if someone has the balls to go out and raid bases in a system full of space cannibals then they deserve their booty if they can get aways with it.

[@theg0z0n]

@callsigngrimdoll spoiler alert, PvPers don't want fair fights, they want to be able to ruin other players progress. So, once the shine has worn off of pyro, and it's not new and exciting, only prepared people will go there. Prepared people are not who PvPers want to fight. So most PvPers will stay in Stanton to attack easy targets.