HEATSPEAK #2 - Jeondding, CBM, PhiDX, Rangchu

[@Spag_TK]

Hey guys, Timestamps added! I hope you enjoy this episode of HEATSPEAK! Please like, subscribe and comment if you enjoyed! Give me suggestions here on who to get on for the next episode of HEATSPEAK! Thank you

[@Ttangko_]

[@liches25]

Ayo great episode as always! I think it'd be nice to have JoeCrush or Anakin here as well. Interested to hear their opinions given they've grinded a lot of tekken 8 since release. Also, having AK might be nice too if possible. Dude places consistently internationally but never really does interviews or collabs.

[@Matt123Chez]

Maybe get a big name Japanese player like Nobi or Take and ANIMEILLUMINATI so we can have translations, not alot of Japanese conversation going on atm.

[@Dunkaholic18]

Sephiblack, Anakin, TMM, really liked Joey Fury's takes on the game if he could come back that would be great

[@seanbarnachea]

Judacruh.. why is no one recommending him he could discuss dragunov

[@PhiDX]

Thank you for having me 🎉😁

[@yagami999913]

Shoutouts to CBM for carrying the translation ! Goated player and person !

[@kylefields3951]

CBM the 🐐for translating. Seriously, he basically made this thing work at all. Huge props to CBM, learning multiple languages and being a Top Pro in Tekken is crazy. Man has a lot of skills.

[@erelian_sardonic]

Learnin multiple languages if you're not a brit or from the US is the norm.

[@kylefields3951]

@@erelian_sardonic It's not the norm. Two out of the three Koreans on the panel could not accurately convey their thoughts in a language that was not their native one. CBM deserves to be recognised for his investments in other languages.

[@erelian_sardonic]

@@kylefields3951 recognised, yes. it was cool, yes. but also - they do learn at least one language in school and are proficient usually in Japanese or Chinese. Or well, often at least. And it's sorta true that more Americans know Spanish on the South border, but I'd say that's less cultural teachings, more just an useful phrase or two. CBM kicks ass tho, and always cool if a Korean speaks English well! Props to im.

[@Folkster1915]

pig props to CherryBerryMango for translating, fun video. Keep em coming Spag!

[@itsahmedkhan]

The best part of the podcast was Spag saying "Hmm, Hmm" to Rangcu and JD when they were speaking in Korean. lol

[@voxk790]

CBM's english is clean, wow

[@sondertekken]

CherryBilingualMango

[@GuiltyBystander8]

he lived in the UK for quite a few years

[@empiresloth]

big thanks for cbm translating for jeondding i can tell that put him at ease and allowed him to speak his mind a lot easier

[@WhitecapPXQ]

Big props to Spag for this show, channeling old school ATP podcast show energy with JDCR translating for Saint.

[@satoshiwiles]

PhiDX has been the shining light of this community since the game's dropped. Mostly all you hear from pros and streamers is complaints and negativity and to be honest none of it is constructive. I personally love the game and am looking forward to the improvements. Shout out to PhiDX, by far the best T8 content creator if you want to learn and appreciate Tekken 8.

[@crillz9660]

word. i was stuck at red ranks. and then flew through red and purple and went straight to fujin thanks to him

[@AyakaKamisato-ps8pm]

None of it is constructive? 💀 arslan ash and kkokoma is 100% right. The game is filled with “guessing” and everyone just spams heat engager, armored move then heat BS

[@jaysissmo]

​@@AyakaKamisato-ps8pmyou are correct. They criticized issues with the game AND provided solutions. That's literally constructive criticism.

[@jimdino77]

@@AyakaKamisato-ps8pmthat’s their opinion, but they aren’t right. The players who actually understand the game will be on top. Looking forward to EVO Japan. Like CBM said, balance is the biggest issue, not the game overall

[@baconbitz7804]

@@jimdino77well arslan can’t even attend so he’s really got no chance to prove himself right

[@Paint8087]

Shout out to CBM! Dude did a amazing job at translation!!

[@JoeMurray5]

Love the diversity on the panel - Tekken players across the world coming together to speak on issues about the game and what they like is awesome

[@BigZesusTekken]

As an Eddy main since T3 I've been wanting to hear JeondDing's opinion on Eddy but don't speak Korean. You're the man for doing this Spag 💯

[@jumpfold]

Fr. It's dope

[@BigZesusTekken]

@jumpfold highly suggest watching Shadow20z's winners finals/Grand Finals against Kaizur about a week ago. He went Eddy and was doing some wild combos

[@leemassey6054]

Spag my man, both episodes of this podcast have been absolute fire. Thank you for doing this. The discussions have been super interesting. Keep up the great work. I know it’s not easy brother. Much love from the US.

[@aqueelkadri8371]

CBM was so clutch here

[@KaizenMMA12]

Man this set up and long, in-depth convos with the players is so sick, thank you Spag!

[@Hypercube1729]

Such an *amazing* cast this episode. Well done, my man!

[@kylefields3951]

12:17 It's so interesting to hear different Player's perspectives. Immediately, CBM has different opinions on the system and the game's mechanics than what we heard in the first Heatspeak Podcast. He said change Heat Burst to be Linear or not be a Power Crush, I don't recall that being brought up by any Players on the first panel. CBM also seems to more err on the side that SuperAkouma was, in that, the systems themselves aren't the problem, but the implementation and balance of said systems. 🤔

[@FightingFoxTK]

In short, Constructive Criticism vs REEEEEEEEEE. In all seriousness, mad respect to the South Korean FGC and PhiDX for having a grounded and open-minded view of the game.

[@Sidzz01]

I'm just over 20 mins in and so far this Heatspeak and the previous heatspeak have been great! I hope your able to keep these going for a while as it's really informative and great to hear what high level player perspectives are in this game. Thanks for making this possible. If possible, For the next episode. It would be great for a border to pop up around the person speaking. More so when they have their cam off like Jeondding here. Think like Discord when someone speaks, A green circle around their name. It'll make it a little easier to follow who's speaking I think

[@velocity6306]

Hey there amigo 😂

[@Sidzz01]

@@velocity6306 lmfao wsg bro 😂

[@FortyMudas_]

looking forward to more of these podcasts 🔥

[@mantryl]

That "business" talk from Rangchu was hilarious. 😅

[@L1mer3nce]

LETSGOOOO #2 dropping made me tickle someone, these are so good bro can't wait to see who's on the next heatspeak

[@scoobydoolostemerarios4495]

thank you CBM. language barriers keeps so many people apart, but they were all able to hear each other and speak thanks to your language skills. NICEU!

[@CabbageGarbage123]

CBM out here working as a translator lmao

[@ajhandsome01]

was that part of the plan 😭

[@jumpfold]

Nice! I just watched the other Heatspeak. I like hearing everyones thoughts.

[@aoneko6813]

Thease streams are legendary for our community. Infinite amount of thanks to everyone involved.

[@JoeMurray5]

Really happy you spoke on Reina - new fave character

[@JVAnimeContent]

This is absolutely amazing content, keep it up!

[@Limit47]

Anakin. Mainmanswe. Kwiss. Star breaker. Lil majin would be awesome as guests in the future ( if possible). the first and second episode of this podcast has been phenomenal 🔥🔥🔥

[@jimdino77]

Harada and Murray will probably pop up at some point

[@Limit47]

@@jimdino77 that would be really awesome. I really hope this podcast takes off and continues. The Tekken community needs something like this.

[@yellowscarlightningscream8347]

Other KZbinrs will not join. I know Anakin and MainManSwe will not join as they have said they want to promote their channel rather be on someone's else's channel.

[@Nova_Afterglow]

@@yellowscarlightningscream8347 if thats true they are dumb for it. collaboration is a huge driver of new viewers. how narrow minded and short sighted they are if they really avoid collaboration because they think it interferes with their channel. i have a hard time believing you tbh. maybe link a vid where they say what you say they did.

[@yellowscarlightningscream8347]

@@Nova_Afterglow their channel is much bigger than Spag's so they gain nothing by collabing with him.

[@Samura5555]

that was interesting, thank you very much! Also thanks to cbm for translating.

[@psychoticlife]

Great vid! Thanks for adding the timestamps as well-- I really appreciate them!

[@YourTamedLion]

Very good insights that we in the west would otherwise easily miss our on. Thank you, Spag and guests🙏. I am already looking forward to the post-EVO Japan Episode where the tournament and current meta ( outside Pakistan) will be evaluated by top lvl players/pros. Maybe even by some who played in the tournament itself.

[@Jaynesslessly]

really interesting jun discussion and a great topic that not a lot of people talk about. she was looked at as top 1 but interesting to see the tiers develope and people realizing that her offense isnt really as unga as the others and that her strings are extremely counterable

[@jon630]

Thank you so much for bringing the community together in this long form content, Spag. The quality of guests has been absolutely jaw dropping. I'm seeing some comments asking for TMM, and I think maybe if you did a more casual episode with content creators it could work. But I wouldn't want him mixed up with pro players.

[@eabc1845]

Can we get an episode with other commentators like MYK, Ricky, Steve. That would be hypw

[@Gunblade-X]

Very insightful! Good job everybody!

[@hotcoldman9793]

Great English CBM!! Thanks for translating I love Jeondding!!!

[@sweetshoez]

Bring up movement on these podcasts please. I’m okay with offense getting turned up but I miss being able to create more space. KBD didn’t need to be nerfed so much imo while all offensive tools got way stronger so I would like to see it back. Almost everyone has huge safe rewarding mids now (in the form of heat engagers. Kazuya is an example) so I think it’s okay if backwards movement is brought up to standard

[@UntimedFury]

51:50 I think removing the knowledge check aspect of variable advantages on different Heat Engagers is quite simple. As a quick example, we could standardize 2 types: a "high" advantage one that is basically the same as the existing ones and a "low" advantage one that is +6 with a different identifiable animation (perhaps a walk instead of a run, perhaps a different camera cinematic, etc).

[@SirSov3r3ign]

See this is the type of problem solving that we need. Best antidote to tekkens knowledge checks in general is clear visual communication rather than the binary yes or no of invisible frame data.

[@SomaMitsurugi]

CBM the goat with the translation!! this episode was solid!!

[@Regulus-uu7pb]

These are hard to watch without timestamps

[@Jonrskittles]

For these long talks I put these on 1.25 or 1.5 speed while grinding a game

[@zacharyalan4977]

That doesn't make sense.

[@ridleyroid9060]

@@Jonrskittles attention span eviscerated

[@senorcholo6244]

Can this podcast be on spotify?

[@blackout0119]

Instant like on such top tier content

[@hysteria2256]

Thx Spag for your work...

[@bobcabatbat658]

This is awesome!

[@Mster-O]

The goat translator, CBM. 🏆

[@VanFlores-o7z]

how much do you guys bench in alphabetical order

[@ap_po]

thx for adding more markers.

[@KevoTTT]

I wonder how this will influence the future of Tekken 8.

[@CosmicRPG]

The most important part of all is Eddy by JeonDDing and Spag opinions.

[@harpot678]

Why was the 7 minute starting soon screen even there, if this was simultaneously livestreamed on YT I'd get it but it's just a video that got uploaded.

[@Zen-pu8gz]

Letting the rest of the video marinate

[@NT_01]

Great insights everyone 🙌 Aye Spag, can you kindly tell me about how you recorded this session? Like how you formatted n everything, if you can refer me any tutorial, that'll be great, Thank you

[@Dunkaholic18]

Spag you are an absolutely excellent host. I know TheMainMan gets ripped on a lot for being "toxic" but I do think he'd be a good addition for the next one.

[@leafygreensmusic]

I think when the buck stops in a tense game of tekken 8, the mid heat power crush is the best tool. Nina especially because she can perform from crouch so anytime you place her in minus frames and crouching she can take what 50 damage from you or go into +17 if not already in heat

[@yellowscarlightningscream8347]

Rangchu was on money with Reina having smaller hitbox than other characters. I have tried punishing her and some times do mixup after plus frames but somehow she is able to dodge it completely but doing her low which would not be possible with any other character.

[@Ttangko_]

STACKED cast

[@drjones694]

Love this Do more Need lil majin on and main man too Great job team

[@helloworld2899]

Some characters benefit way more from heat state than others. Like King already has the highest heat smash base damage in the game, the fact that it still gives a mixup opportunity on block is kinda wild. Meanwhile Kazuya just goes afk after doing his heat smash 😂 I think Jack's heat smash is pretty balanced, 10f startup is hella good but the tradeoff is no mixup on block.

[@SicParvisMagna6]

Power crush heat engager safe on block is so fundamentally broken imo. By design a power crush shouldn’t ever also be a heat engager. Being safe on block and is just insane icing on top of that. Safe power crush high is fine.

[@NemoRackkz]

CBM ONE OF THE JIN GOATS. HIM AND DEVILSTER GOATED

[@regisphilbin529]

CBM legend

[@jelovi66]

What is the music that is at the start of the video?

[@baroque_wasteman]

Spag is a good moderator

[@misterbadd3661]

What about xiaoyu or Jun?

[@L1mer3nce]

It would be cool to have lil majin for your future podcasts🔥

[@LinDUNguin]

Fake Tekken fan here, anyone got an ID on the song that plays in the pre-show intro?

[@jdizzle1779]

Was really excited for T8 as ive played since 3 but it does feel a little too newbie friendly. Offence is too rewarding and i think the number of perfects show just how easy it is to blow up your opponent with the various tools in 8

[@lol69203]

CBM the fucking GOAT

[@ajhandsome01]

damn CBM had to go super sayain on the translations 🔥

[@Daymanoahha]

these are great, 💯

[@garymichalles8383]

The 2 best Noctis players in the world sitting right here on this stream lol

[@yellowscarlightningscream8347]

Lol, PhiDx doesn't even count as 20 best Noctis. Knee beat Phi in Noctis mirror

[@PhiDX]

@@yellowscarlightningscream8347I have never played Knee in the Noctis mirror LOL

[@kylefields3951]

@@PhiDX They just be making shit up to discount Players I *SWEAR* 😭😭😭

[@JoeMurray5]

Thank you again, please have Mainmanswe on, be a great addition. Awesome hosting as always

[@Drunklotus]

Do people not like him or something?

[@JJ-Toreddie]

Nah, we hear him talk enough and he isn't a pro player

[@dRay2TH3M4XIII]

please no If 8 people were in that call he would still do 90% of the talking That guy loves nothing more than the sound of his own voice

[@JoeMurray5]

I don't know why people are being toxic and elitist - he is one of the most popular tekken 8 streamers and content creators (doing guides for bandai) - you want people from a casual audience to become more competitive - he is who you bring on. Just like getting Maximilian Dood

[@jon630]

@@JoeMurray5 Sure, bring him on with other content creators who don't play competitively. But if he was on here interrupting Knee or Anakin, it'd be really frustrating to watch.

[@b_rza]

Jeondding learning Tekken 8 💀💀💀💀💀

[@djangotur0910]

The only thing I want to change in the Tekken 8 system are heatbursts. Basically I want them to be unviable in the neutral by any means necessary, make them punishable, remove the armor and tracking, whatever it takes. The problem isn't the balancing - cause everybody has them - the problem is that heat bursts being totally free creates a lot of time where you basically aren't playing the game. yes, HB looses to lows and throws but they are so fast that its not a reliable counterplay. So if someone wants throw out heatburst into heatsmash once every round they're probably gonna be able to it. Which is maybe 10 to 15 seconds of blocking every round and you can't do shit about it. Might not sound as much but it adds up and gets very boring very fast. Heatengagers are supercool, using heatbursts in combos are fine cause then you have to at least win an interaction with your opponent and earn your heat.

[@HarmonicResonanceScale]

I just want the toppest top tiers to be less obnoxious. Dragunov's insane damage needs to be toned way down. Feng has no bad situations. He just kicks your ass constantly. I feel like Nina is not nearly as busted as those two. She still requires the same hard reads from playing her in 7, but she just gets better results from playing her correctly. Edit: yes I was a Nina main during T7 but ive switched off to Lee with Nina as my sweaty tryhard pocket.

[@billyhorchel5429]

Gonna be a YT nerd here but leaving in 7 minutes of blank space at the beginning of a video is absolutely terrible for viewer retention and will cause YT to recommend your video less

[@saltbucket]

PhiDX Let's goo

[@JLOGIAC]

Wished there's no language barrier just like in Tekken world kekw 😂

[@kevincruz7958]

That last part about the Africans was really interesting to me. Why don't you invite some african players for a future episode?

[@joshthefunkdoc]

That would be really interesting, South Africa's gotten some love in SF6 with the Capcom pro tour but the rest of the continent is still lacking opportunities. Word is their Internet infrastructure is well behind the US's so it's been a struggle with so much of the scene becoming online-based anymore.

[@nausherwanahmed1818]

Please bring frame whisperer next time.

[@BCDC123]

1:04:55 the ➡️ 4 to instant SS2 launcher was nerfed in the first patch. The only thing now that is guaranteed from Nina’s ➡️4,2 string is the heat engager, but the 4 hast to hit. ➡️4 is also steppable and her SS1’s can be checked by low jabs and a lot of pressure she puts out can be checked by power crush moves. The Nina player is strong and the rewards are well deserved. It’s not fair to have to do all of the technical stuff (which is not required of other characters) without receiving any rewards for it.

[@BCDC123]

We went through so much BS in Tekken 7, then people wonder why Nina’s character usage is low? She’s too technical for the average player, which I like. Not everyone can use Nina and I enjoy fighting other Nina’s who have not reached the technical level.

[@Sethnotasithsr]

lmao this is CBM's podcast now 😂😂😂

[@izzoArtistry]

💯

[@finnTekken]

I would like to see Landon D , jesandy , legendaryMihawk , imortalXSoul . Also maybe you can contact gerald from core a gaming, maybe he has time to join for the next korean show, not to take anything away from cbm translation skills, but geralt would be flawless, maybe he wants to.

[@Tartersauce101]

Why is bro asking Rangchu about Japan???

[@GaspoweR]

Rangchu is mostly based in Japan and he resides there now and has been for a couple of years

[@geneanderton6675]

I wonder if PhiDx admits he's heavily influenced by main man she's opinions. He mimics a lot of the same philosophies

[@tk_crouchedpotato]

Phidx is100% right about character imperfections being what made Tekken enjoyable. And now, all Tekken 8 is doing is making sure that all these weaknesses are covered resulting in a bland game overall.

[@Alfred_the_doodler]

I sure hope bamco is listening to this

[@natohs]

Get my boy blade in here

[@cesarbrad286]

I'll come back when there will be timestamps

[@BuIIrage]

How does he put timestamps again?

[@tryingtochangemyways5074]

​@BuIIrage by putting the time into the chat of each segment. For instance 14:04

[@tryingtochangemyways5074]

Spag literally put timestamps in already

[@IXIKAYAKOxSAEKIIXI]

That flash is very problematic. He can get crazy combo damage just for the defense namco claim they don’t want

[@jimdino77]

What? Yoshi isn’t top tier, and “no defense” is y’all narrative, not Bamco’s

[@IXIKAYAKOxSAEKIIXI]

@@jimdino77 your logic is funny

[@BUHDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA]

im battle ruler and i lose 400 to those ranked in raiju shit makes no sense and i gain 400 to those in my rank like uhhhhh

[@jimdino77]

That’s when real rank starts. You are gifted points below blue. Don’t whine about getting punished for losing when you hit the big boy ranks. Git gud

[@BUHDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA]

@@jimdino77 doesnt change the fact that this rank system sucks. Literally every cc talks mad shi about this system. Learn to grow up big boi and admit ur fav game is garbo.

[@cptswaggermuffins2887]

It would be very nice to see more non speaking english players on the podcast but of course you're going to need interpreters and some that comes to mind are like you know CBM for Korean, Rangchu + CBM for Japanese or Tissuemon, Sephiblack for German, Arslan for Pakistan like it would be so sick to hear from players who are really great at the game but who don't speak english or much english.

[@beefyboi64]

Some thoughts as things came up: 1. The heat system itself is a lot of fun. But heat burst, to me, is a bit of a buzzkill. Feels more like a way to circumvent the game's mechanics than a fun mechanic in of itself. 2. Homing throws are too much, but not as ridiculous as getting locked out of the break if you were already pressing the button. Taking a million damage from King because you are simply not allowed to press buttons against him is soul draining. 3. As far as balance goes, I agree with the picks here. I think Xiaoyu is up there for me personally; the damage is just too crazy for a character that simply decides 75% of the moves in the game will no longer touch her. Yoshi is very annoying as well, even though I main him and his mids aren't very good, I think they should at least nerf the plus frames on regular Flash and soften some of the kincho attacks. Also, Alisa's chainsaws really are crazy. Many attacks in the game do less damage on hit than those do on chip. 4. Yeah, fast power crush heat engagers should not be safe on block. Shouldn't be launch punishable either, though, -12 with throws still breakable would be good (in my head anyways). That's it for my soapbox, next subject is competitive Tekken and I just ain't there yet.

[@jumpfold]

Not a fan of heat and no playable Heihachi has me a bit salty. Overall I am enjoying the game though.

[@Mone_M1]

🤌🤌🤌

[@zaselimgamingvideos]

My issue with tekken 8 is that i could play offensively in previous tekken games (t3-t7) without any issues and could get good results even though the games were more on the defensive side which is the most strongest element to have in any martial arts by the way. If you don't have a good defense, doesn't matter how fast or good your in offense, you are bound to lose. In tekken 8, the defense (movement/techniques) nerfed too much in contrast to offense. Now you can get away with it if you don't have a good defense. The game is giving too much to new or unskilled players and at the same time its taking too much from core/high level/technical players. The game needs to have at least 40/60 if not 50/50 in defense to offense ratio. *Heat system needs adjustment, like its availability on start of the match needs to go and needs a meter bar which you fill by playing both defense and offense equally. * Chip damage needs to go period. * Heat burst needs a nerf, counter throws need to go as well, tracking/homing throws need a nerf as well. RA punish (on block) needs to be the same as T7 where they were launch punishable. The game needs to have skill based reads instead of 50/50 guessing all the time. The people with good reactions/skills should be rewarded depending on their level specially against new/unskilled players. Tekken has always been the chess of fighting games and which is why loved tekken over other most fighting (mashing) games because like real martial arts i had to think before attacking about the possible outcomes of my attacks and move in a way to bait my opponents to punish them on the mistakes (weak defense) and tekken 8 removed that part almost entirely if not entirely. Now its mashing and getting away most of the time. And i do hope that the devs come out with a proper patch soon and stop punishing skilled players if the favor or new/unskilled players because of their greed.

[@DucNguyen-duke]

rangchu is so funny :D hahaa

[@tryingtochangemyways5074]

Yes no Arslan crying the whole episode about not liking the game

[@ALTF-bo8uq]

New heat system is dog shit,to much gamble game.. Tekken have to do with space and movement without it is 2d bullshit game