*SAY MY NAME*...MIKE! 🥺💔 | Breaking Bad 5x7 Reaction

[@SpartanandPudgey]

Mike... This legend will be missed. such a great character! cant believe it ends like this... Want to watch 3-4 weeks EARLY and access the UNCUT reaction? Join us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/spartanandpudgey

[@brettmorford9060]

Budget you give walt ao much ahit when jessie kicked u so many times and walt got him out of it... mike was gonna kill walt in the past over some stupid shit.. I liked mike but I dont blame walt damn near as much as you two do. Walt was in a deadly situation and wanted to provide for his family

[@L0stwitn0nam3]

Hey guys. So again it's strange that you both are forgetting last season. Gus was going to sell Jesse to the Mexican Cartel and preferably keep Jesse after killing off the cartel and kill Walter. Also forgetting that Mike's men are going to rat on Jesse. Also that Jesse hasn't worked normal job in years and would get locked up like Mike for illegal drug money. Mike wasn't just abandoning the operation but his men who were keeping quiet for money. Once Mike was on the run, they were going to rat on Mike, Jesse and Walter. Remember, Hank and Jesse already have a past and Jesse has always been a meth deal way before Walter. They weren't going to let Jesse go either even if he stopped cooking and did what Mike did, Jesse would still be in danger because he would have bought a house and have 5 million in cash on property plus have ties to both the Mexican cartel because of Gus and Gus himself because of Mike's guys. Mike doesn't want his guys killed but they're going to turn on Mike and the whole operation which is why Mike went into business anyway. Again, not sure why you're forgetting all of this just to keep to the "Walter is the big bad" this season train 🤔. Is Walter supposed to let Mike go and let Mike's men turn them all in? While Mike get out to save himself? What's the plan guys? I'm genuinely curious what else is the plan because even if Walter and Jesse stopped cooking before they did the exterminator mobile cooks, Mike's men were still going to cut the deal with DEA to rat on Gus's business deals including Walter and Jesse. Which remember, Jesse tried to sell directly without Walter when Walter wanted out and forced Walter into business with Gus. It just seems like yall are forgetting a bunch of events that lead to this moment to just jump on the "Walter is the big bad this season" without realizing the social critique of unregulated Capitalism would always fill that void at the cost of lives. That gang wanted to buy out Walter, Mike and Jesse only to have control of demand. If not them, then another would step in to fill that void of power like with Gus, Tuco, and Crazy 8. That wouldn't stop Mike's men from ratting out Mike, Walter and Jesse showing there's no real loyalty that bought. So who's supposed to pay to keep them quiet? Someone has to make a whole lot of money that the DEA won't seize to keep those people quiet. Even if Jesse tries to leave, just like Walter said hasn't done anything with any of his money to legitimize it would just mean Jesse would get locked up as well. Jesse has nothing to legitimize his earnings since before be met Walter and has a record already. So everyone gets locked up and Lydia gets everyone killed to protect herself? She's the one who was paying Mike's own guys to kill the others. Now that Jesse and Walter know her, would she kill them off too?

[@PaulWinkle]

Pinkman is the monster in this show, from the beginning he is ruining it for Walter and himself. Ppl love him for what? Just because he is young, funny and stupid? - teamed up with Jane, blackmailing Walt - teamed up with Mike and Gus who also played him like a fiddle - enabled Jane for her last "shot", he wasnt helping her at all (Walt was a bystander, not nice but he didnt kill her) - tried to off the 2 henchmen, after being told that Gus has the last word in such matters -> Walt saved him and got nearly killed for that - his strange ethics, cares about kids really? he sells meth to practically everyone even tried to sell to Andrea - and maybe he is gonna do sth stupid in the last season too? let's wait and see As Gus once said, it is so true, pure foreshadowing: "You can never trust a drug addict."

[@L0stwitn0nam3]

@@PaulWinkle idk about that. Jesse was always a meth dealer before hand. If it wasn't for Walter, Jesse would have been killed by crazy 8 who dimed on his own cousin and had Jesse take the fall. If it wasn't that he had high quality meth on him, he would have gotten killed episode 1. Shit Walter killed Crazy 8 and his cousin to protect them both. We literally see Jesse turn on Walter several times forgetting its his mess Walter is fixing. How many times does Walter kill to protect Jesse only for people to keep painting it like Walter is using Jesse. He doesn't need Jesse to cook or run the business. He cares about Jesse like his student and apprentice. Maybe even like a son. Its just insane that people are forgetting everything up to this point like Walter's fault for everything. Homie only cooks. It's the nature of business that's the real big bad that crushes everyone. Cartel was killing people way before Walter and Gus over territory and thats the point of the flash backs in the show. This goes beyond Hank and the DEA, beyond Walter and Jesse and beyond the Cartel and Gus. Its a critique of society and capitalism. It's of "successful" dominate companies using illegal actions to grow their wealth and establish their businesses. It's about blood money and exploitative dealings. It's about a failing social standards driving highly educated and yet vulnerable people into a "dog eat dog" unchecked capitalism that ends up killing the most well intentioned people and the innocent lives they affect to make their money.

[@James-lk2sg]

@@PaulWinkleBro Jesse didn’t even want to work with Walt, Walt blackmailed Jesse into working with him lol.

[@robbiemedica2652]

Much respect for Spartan for remembering that saving Jesse was the catalyst for everything.

[@olegshevchenko5869]

As much as I hate Walt, I do agree that it was one of the more sincere acts he made

[@jxsh03]

To be fair though if Walt had just gone with Jesse's original plan with the poisoned burgers without telling anyone things would have been fine. The dealers absolutely did deserve to go, just because they werent a threat to Walt and Jesse at that point doesnt mean they didnt deserve it. They were terrible people who were using a kid (and its implied Tomas was likely not the first) and had killed Combo. Obviously no way to know something wouldnt have still gone wrong later especially with Jesses attitude causing problems but if Walt went along with Jesses original plan in Half Measures no one would have found out.

[@roerd]

You could look earlier though: if Walt hadn't sabotaged the collaboration with Gale because he wanted a subservient rather than an equal partner, the whole situation wouldn't even have come up the way it did.

[@CosmicAeon]

@@roerd You seem to be conveniently forgetting the scene before where an unstable jessie openly says he's going to rat on Walt, which is why Walt had to get him involved again. He much preferred working with an actual professional rather than a junkie at that point. If he'd taken Saul's advice and had Jessie killed at multiple points in the story, he and Gale would've been cooking happily ever after.

[@hbk314]

​@@roerdNo.

[@Dash277]

In a show with so many fantastic characters, Mike really stood out.

[@Birdboy029]

Lydia: "I can't just disappear! She has to know I didn't leave her!" Mike:

[@joes1755]

Great catch. I never thought of that

[@BryGoose]

Wow, good catch

[@SpartanandPudgey]

🥲

[@MrLcarter24]

OMG, Spartan is 100% correct. This is what I've been saying the whole time. You can't blame Walt for everything. These people are grown ADULTS and they are responsible for THEIR own actions.

[@SuperDad000]

Except Walt isn't responsble for straight up stealing Jesse's $5mil?

[@r.achel044]

true true however i will still shit on walter for emotionally abusing and manipulating a mentally ill drug addict in desperate need of a father figure. that son of a bitch knows what he's doing, he just wants someone to love, although that "love" is just control. jesse never really stood a chance against walt's manipulation. only time he finally put his foot down was this episode, and that's because mike helped him with that decision he needs to make his own decisions. el camino style

[@dustingrimmmagic1067]

@@SuperDad000jessi chose to associate with Walter to this point. Walt is a dick, but no one forced Jessie to work him him in the first place.

[@SuperDad000]

@@dustingrimmmagic1067 Not sure what point you think you're making but Jesse didn't complain, he walked away. In your world of ethics I suppose Jesse should have just pulled out a gun and put a bullet between Walt's eyes. Then he could take everything and be the winner, right? Right? Once you do one illegal/unethical thing then nothing matters anymore. Am I getting this right?

[@Desty0007]

@@dustingrimmmagic1067 i meant the beginning Walt literally forced him to work with him, threatening to hand him to the police

[@angie-tq4ew]

Spartan: "You're trying to talk morals in an entirely immoral situation." Well said. The whole Meth business is about feeding a horrible addiction to feed the greed. And greed comes in many forms: for self, family, friends, or the insidious power of the ego. Morals go to shit when faced with greed.

[@mappes1]

I think they misused the word morals. I would say it is about having a code. So the question is more if gangsters should adhere to a code with each other (dont rat, do as the boss says, stay in your place, keep your word etc.). Mike embodies the code very much, and walter was at odds with it from the start, basically wanting to replace any cide with violence. That jesse gets screwed over is probably realistic even if it wasnt walter and his ego doing it. But is it right according to the standards of the world they live in? Basically everyone had some kind of code or structure they are subjected to. Walt basically p*sses on that whenever he can.

[@BhBc8f8]

By that logic then no one "deserves" anything since according to Christianity, man is incapable of being moral

[@presumed_guilty]

Morals is still important. Otherwise we become immoral.

[@timmcgrath8030]

Even in the criminal underworld, if you don't play by the rules no one will want to work with you or protect you when the time comes

[@flygonkerel781]

sometimes greed is a moral.

[@evergray5063]

The end Pudgey: that’s not fair! Spartan: bruh, they’re cooking meth 😂

[@XavionofThera]

So?

[@presumed_guilty]

Yes, so what? What is with all the Incels on this vid. Are we not too judge their morality simply because they are immoral?

[@evergray5063]

@@XavionofThera so? if you’ve ever been in an illegal business, normal rules of morality & “fairness“ don’t apply

[@Im.Smaher]

@@presumed_guiltyThe hell made you think “incel” when you read that? Projection much?

[@XavionofThera]

@@evergray5063 Right is right, wrong is wrong.

[@azamatlalayev4746]

I don't remember a show, where a handful of characters deserved their own spinoff. Mike is one of them.

[@TheCheekPunisher]

Better call Saul is as much about Mike as it is Saul

[@sakidickerson]

​@@TheCheekPunisher yooooo please delete this. Don't do that 😅

[@TheCheekPunisher]

@@sakidickerson Is it really a spoiler? He’s there from episode 1 of BCS all the way through to the end, it’s a prequel so obviously people (who have watched BB) know he doesn’t die

[@sakidickerson]

Yes. They're only in 5x15 of breaking bad. So yes.

[@Kevin.Costner.]

@@TheCheekPunisherdon’t stress that commentor had 3 teachers & 4 Recess’s 😭

[@Nolderrivlen]

Jesse was a drug dealer before he met Walt. Long live Cap’n Cook and the chili P!

[@lithium23]

And Jesse also worked for a snitch that set him up to get arrested. But since he wasn't arrested his boss instead framed Jesse as the snitch. Jesse was destined to die at the start of the show but walt changed that destiny.

[@Randomyoutubecommenter]

​@@lithium23 the amount of times Jesse was gonna get his brains blown out in this show

[@timmcgrath8030]

@@lithium23 he was destined to get arrested definitely, idk about die

[@edmunddantes7097]

As good *as Mike was as a character and enjoyable to watch, I think it's important to remind ourselves of the fact that these aren't good people.

[@comradeglaz42]

The beauty of the anti hero

[@edmunddantes7097]

@@comradeglaz42 I think Hank and his DEA partner are the only heroes. Marie and Saul i'd say fall more into the anti-hero category. And every other character in this show is a villain. I think Jesse and Walt started out as anti-heroes, but once you dissolve a human, I think you go straight into the villain category. Just my personal opinions.

[@jackthehat1093]

@@edmunddantes7097 Hank isn't a great person either. He almost beat Jesse to death and he breaks the law several other times to get what he wants.

[@manvirshergill1739]

​@@jackthehat1093if good people can become bad when the buttons are pushed.

[@StinkyBuster]

Nobody demands you take their show more seriously than Breaking Bad fans lmao

[@meganega123]

Does Pudgey realize Jesse was in the meth business before Walt?

[@portalmanHUN]

She just wants to hate Walter like every female reactor for some reason. Walter does a lot of bad shit but it's not all black and white.

[@presumed_guilty]

Do you realize Jesse wouldn't have been involved with Walt if he hadn't blackmailed him? Jesse didn't have a choice. KZbin is wild. Teenagers I guess.

[@presumed_guilty]

Also Pudgey correctly noted Mike's men knew about Walt and Jesse and Spartan said that was wrong. Guess who was right? Not Spartan!

[@arthuralves5872]

@presumed_guilty Bro, in episode 1 of season 1 Walt blackmails Jesse into working with him, but three episodes later, after trying to work with Badger and seeing that it won't work, he returns to Walt's house to ask to cook some more. In season 3, after returning from rehab, Jesse decides to cook meth because he says "that's the only thing he's good at" and Walt advises him not to go back into the business. I'm not defending Walt's actions, but you can't say Jesse didn't have a choice.

[@Randomyoutubecommenter]

She must've forgot

[@notbubu]

I sometimes forget just how many of the most memorable moments of the show come in this final season. Great episode after great episode.

[@manvirshergill1739]

Exactly! Season 5 definitely has the most of the best moments of the entire series imo.

[@wendydarling5790]

Oh yeah. When I watch reactions, it's almost all S5.

[@BezoRazo]

I've never seen such authentic "I'm dying" eyes from an actor. I don't know how he did it.

[@joetamburello6292]

“kid just look out for yourself”. Jesse earned Mike respect and although Mike wouldn’t outright admit it he deeply cares for him.

[@canocohen4218]

Great discussion at the end 😂 that’s when you know your watching a great show, such complexity to the characters👌🏼

[@Fixzner]

18:35 “Apply yourself” Walt wrote on the back of Jessie’s failed chemistry paper and sometime later on said it to him again , maybe for the season 2 arc when they were selling themselves

[@Ford-wt8rn]

Pudgy totally forget Jessie was already in the meth business way before the show started. Jessie already collaborated with Cartel connected people like Emilio who kicked up to Crazy 8.

[@mappes1]

Yeah, but he was nowhere near any leadership and also had basically no ambition. I would say it isnt far fetched to theorize he might have stopped in a few years when he matured and met andrea (or someone like her) - I mean we never know (and there is also the possibility that he would end up in jail). At least that is the vibe i am getting on a rewatch and seeing jesses inner turmoil and occassional disgust with the serious part of the business I mean hank basically says in season 3 or 2 that jesse and his friends are so small time, they are not even on the radar of the dea. Also jesse tells walt that "nobody hold a gun to his head" before walt came along. Not saying that jesse is an innocent victim, but it is walter how forces him to becone this big time criminal instead if a low wannabe who adds chillipowder and is not much more than a show-off. Also it is walter who is the reason (sometimes dorectly) for jesse being on the hard end of the stick over and over again.

[@presumed_guilty]

She didn't forget. It's not relevant when do you consider Jesse only became involved with Walt due to being BLACKMAILED. What is the one who created this dynamic, full stop.

[@borisvandepoel2703]

​@@presumed_guiltyit is relevant though. You are choosing to look over these facts

[@polecat6534]

Both are at fault, Walt more but they are both wrong.

[@aalk66]

Spartan spot on...

[@RealBrianLeFevre]

Came for the reaction, stayed for the argument. 👍👍

[@SpartanandPudgey]

🤣🤣

[@kudlekjosip]

Loved the podcast after the episode ended hahahah i agree with spartans logic but i love the way you both argued, and both had valid points... post episode discussion had big "mom and dad are fighting" energy 😂

[@vvthetalentlessduo6976]

Pudgey didn’t have any valid points.

[@garlicjrmade6409]

I love how tasteful and respectful your thumbnails are, let me explain, for viewers that have seen the show before the thumb lets us remember the episode without being a spoiler for people that may have never seen the show before, it really is a thoughtful way to do thumbnails and i think that sort of thing is lost on many channels / editors. Good job

[@LM-Whit-99]

Yeah im definitely with spartan on this .

[@dariusz_darson_8968]

The thing is Mike wasn't 100% and Spartan is right noticing it. Mike was talking from his perspective and while some of it was true, some other stuff not really. You see, everything was more or less good between Gus and Walt until the situation with Tomas and dealers who killed him. Walt tried to keep peace by telling Gus. But it was Jesse who went rouge and well, Walt saved him at that moment. And that's how everything felt apart. You can't just 100% assume that Walt's ego would've gotten better of him anyway. Maybe if it wasn't for this situation he'd still be working under Gus and that's it. Maybe. But ever since that point it was Walt Vs Gus and Walt simply tried to stay alive. Even by going as far as poisoning Brock. But essentially he tried to stay alive. Only after killing Gus his ego truly exploded. So no, Mike wasn't 100% right about this whole thing bring Walt's fault. Everyone had their part in the whole situation going sh!t

[@GregMuniz7]

Yes this is so true im so glad im not the only one who thought this. Walt did everything to try and control the situation in the best way. Really it’s just a crazy series of events that make everything fall apart. I mean they are doing illegal shit so makes sense

[@Philliben1991]

Also Jesse only found out about Combo's killer because he was selling meth to recovering addicts at meetings.

[@cokeysmurf2436]

Yep, the show was trying to make us hate Walt at this point, but I didn't buy it. Everything went to shit because of Jesse. He had no business trying to kill those dealers. It wasn't even his brother. It was the brother of a girl he'd just met lol.

[@LM-Whit-99]

Exactly. And great replies.

[@GregMuniz7]

@@cokeysmurf2436 I agree but also understand jesses point of view. Brock really comes into play with the kid thing too even more.

[@serbianhammer]

6:41 "Now you listen to me" is what Walt said to the police officer when he was pulled over in 3x2. I wonder if that was a callback to that episode.

[@Gunleaver]

The payout that Pudgey thinks Walt owes Jesse for blackmailing him into the business in the first place, can be considered the money he gave Jesse to buy the RV, which Jesse took and spent almost all of it at the strip club, before Combo stole his mother's RV and gave it to Jesse for the last bit of Walt's money. He spent almost, or more than, $5000 of Walt's savings on his own degenerate entertainment. Because, while Jesse has grown up a lot in the last year of his life (in no small part due to Walt demanding more of him and raising his sights to something better than his druggie lifestyle), the guy Walt blackmailed was a piece of crap, and so was Combo, who stole his family's RV to trade for a pittance of cash he probably smoked that same week. How did Walt learn of Jesse's involvement in the meth business? By seeing him off getting laid while his partner, Emilio, was getting busted. Walt knew going in, that Jesse was not the kind of person to be relied upon. So can you blame him for taking the hard line blackmail approach? And speaking of blackmail, let's revisit that favored incident of the "Walt did Jesse wrong" crowd - Jane's death. Why did Walt fight his instinct to help her? Because of two reasons - she was leading Jesse into a much worse addiction scenario and she was blackmailing Walt. If Walt is so bad for blackmailing Jesse into the operation, Jesse caused the same thing to happen to Walt, so the moral debt is cancelled. Regarding the exit deal, Mike & Jesse were justified in selling their share of the methylamine, but not taking Walt's share to sell with theirs, when Mike's contact demanded the whole batch. That's too bad for Mike & Jesse. They don't have the right to tell Walt "$5 million is enough money." In fact, Walt was doing right by them all when he made his deal to cook for them, in exchange for buying out Mike. It shows who the smarter party was in their partnership, and who was best able to see to all of their interests. Mike is really narrow-minded and short-sighted, who doesn't trust anything outside of his old man comfort zone, and he was literally robbing Walt at gunpoint, just because he could not see a way out of the dilemma, even though Walt was able to figure out a deal that was acceptable to the other dealers, with less information & less time than Mike had. On the other hand, once the deal was made, Walt did not have the right to withhold Jesse's buyout. Jesse already put in the work and helped to steal the methylamine, and was the one in the greatest danger doing so. He is entitled to his 1/3 share, at the agreed-on price of $5 million dollars. It's the flip side of the same coin. Jesse & Mike did not have the right to force Walt to take the money for his share, and Walt does not have the right to refuse to let Jesse sell out his own share.

[@Kornspel]

Thank you for keeping the entire discussion at the end. It's insightful and one of the things I like the most in your videos, as opposed to other creators who simply react to the videos and then it's done.

[@adelardj7026]

So here's what's wrong with Mike's speach - he claims that if Walt would just keep working everything would be fine. But Gus wanted to kill Walt since Walt saved Jessie from 2 dealers who oterwise would kill him. So Mike would be right only if Walt would let Jessie die.

[@mitromney]

Breaking Bad does weird things to people. Everybody in the trio is just as guilty of an electric chair as the other one. Jesse, Mike, Walt. Why hate only Walt? Why feel so bad for Jesse and Mike? Mike is an assassin, remember? A bloody mass murdering bastard, who has spent half his life protecting psychopathic kingpins and hacks like Saul and Guss from justice. And Jesse? He's no better. Not only did he murder people directly himself before, but tons of meth he produced must've killed enough kids on the streets to empty entire schools, and now we're supposed to feel sorry for him because HE feels sorry for some random kid or two? How hypocritical can this guy be? All 3 of them should be on the death row, and we shouldn't feel a shred of sympathy for any of them. None of them were forced into this. All 3 made their choices. They all have to go.

[@cokeysmurf2436]

It's a TV show. We root for characters we like in the show. Obviously, if it was real life, we wouldn't root for any of them.

[@jayshizzle35]

Yeah it does weird things like make people like you write meaningless short stories lol. Walter is just a sheep in wolf clothing you saw exactly what he would really be like without control when mikes about to kill him: a coward. You can’t say the same about mike or Jesse and they don’t put themselves before everyone else, they both have much more past trauma as well.

[@robbiemedica2652]

Meth doesn't really cause overdose deaths in the way things like opiates do, it definitely can ruin lives, but I'm not sure he killed many "kids on the street".

[@robbiemedica2652]

@@jayshizzle35 Mike absolutely puts himself before everyone else except for his daughter and granddaughter. Jesse is probably the most selfless guy out of the criminals in the show, but even he decided it would be a good idea to try and sell meth to people in recovery just for his own weird satisfaction of feeling like he's in control because he didn't like working under Gus.

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

Because....women. Walt is the ultimate Alpha Male at this point in the game. And in most reaction videos most women reactors have turned on Walt by that point. lol

[@nickrubin7312]

"We had a lab, you just had to blow it up" Nope, Mickey. Your boss was using kids, so ex-junkie partner of Walt's wasn't ok with it, but Walt had to save his life. Which all spiraled into your boss wanting to manipulate and bring Jesse close to get rid of Walter which Walt turned to his advantage and won. You literally wanted to go to lab where you wanted to shoot him and do nothing about it. Mike knows about it because he was literally ordered to shoot Walter (remember the phone call to Jesse). Some people just want to live, Mickey. Think about you grand-daughter and the money you made by working for people who used children, just like your grand-daughter? Biggest and most beloved hypocrite in all TV

[@alexstone1763]

yeah, he really wanted to finger Walter and paid for it💀

[@MalevolentProphecies]

This was great. 25 minutes of Pudgey arguing from an emotional perspective while Spartan argues logic. Classic S&P

[@user-td4do3op2d]

Classic man vs woman

[@yasminesteinbauer8565]

She presumed that there is honor among thieves and that thief 1 owes thief 2 something. He argued that because they are thieves, no one has a legal or moral claim. Both are logically coherent arguments.

[@xXSinForLifeXx]

I can just imagine their fights lol 😂😂

[@scemat]

@@yasminesteinbauer8565 exactly. People need a code. There is a mix of logic and emotion in both perspectives.

[@LaCheeserie]

@@user-td4do3op2d grow up kid

[@guitar4jesus945]

I think Pudgey is forgetting some of the things Walter did for Jessie - he got him 15 grand from Tuco after Tuco put him in the hospital. Walter paid for Jessie's rehab. And Walter killed the 2 dealers. If Walter had left that situation alone, either they would have killed Jessie, or Gus would have.

[@spartakick300FF5]

"I'm sorry. This whole thing could have been avoided." Could be Walter's catchphrase.

[@mariesabine2385]

Yeah, Walt, this whole thing could’ve been avoided IF NOT FOR YOU 🤦‍♀️

[@titanbladeworks]

Walt is the best character in this show

[@bigzndahouse3800]

I definitely agree 💯

[@kypangoyi550]

For the first time ever I side with Spartan.

[@SpartanandPudgey]

for the first time ever, you are siding with the correct opinion 💪🏼😁

[@vvthetalentlessduo6976]

@@SpartanandPudgeyI side with Spartan alot more lol

[@cassu6]

@@SpartanandPudgey King!

[@wastingtime9004]

Finally hit puberty huh?

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

@@wastingtime9004 🤣🤣

[@monkeyhook6856]

17:35 Todd Alquist isn’t a natural or a capn cook, he’s a “yes sir right away sir.” Which is exactly what Walter’s looking for

[@Ripthejack3r]

I think Walt just doesn't want to be alone, Jesse is all he has left and he won't let him go. It's twisted but in Walts own way he does care about Jesse, but its on his own terms not Jesse's.

[@timmcgrath8030]

No idea why Pudgey's bringing up Season 1 now, Jesse has willingly stayed in this whole time as a 50/50 partner with Walt. The whole point is Jesse, Mike and Walt agreed to a three-way partnership and stole the methylamine together. Jesse wants to sell his third to Walter as a buyout, essentially selling off his portion or 'shares' of their joint business venture, same as Mike. If Walt doesn't agree to that, he is basically going against his word and the basic principals of business.

[@charleskell2858]

Epic discussion.. Walt was fighting for survival when he killed Gus, not his ego. Remember Gus took Walt to the desert and threatened to kill him and his family.." I will kill your infant daughter".. at which point Walt was going to get his family out by calling the "vacuum cleaner" guy but Skylar gave the getaway money to Ted for not paying his taxes. That forced Walt to stay and deal with Gus or he and his family would be gone, Gus would be doing his thing still and Mike would be alive..so thanks for not paying the I.R.S. Ted, you fucked everybody...team Spartan

[@zammmerjammer]

Nope. Gus took Walter to the desert and told him "YOU ARE OUT." He was telling Walter to walk away. That is a GIFT in the drug business. He couldn't kill Walt because Jesse wouldn't cook for him if he did. He only threatened Walt's family when Walt refused to walk away -- which is INSANE. The only sticking point is that Gus was going to kill Hank.

[@yarsaz4347]

@@zammmerjammer He threatened to kill Walt's family if Walt interfered with him going after Hank.

[@snubull]

25:07 this shot ! everytime i got chills

[@Jimmyconway77]

He has the walk of a serial killer

[@lilipok3521]

Finally Spartan is speaking out Pudgey is just blindly hating every Walters decision or every bad thing that happened on Walter

[@rockstarrzz7171]

19:40 - There's a pretty neat symbolism for Walt & Skyler's degrading marriage is the meals he eats. Start of the series it all home cooked from scratch (made with love essentially), then a few episodes ago (when Jesse was around) it's cooked, but everything is pre-bought, and finally now he's just eating a TV dinner.

[@jesalyn84]

I never noticed that. That’s great.

[@flerbus]

first meal shown was veggie bacon and eggs hardly Haute cuisine

[@robbiemedica2652]

At least he's not eating veggie bacon, don't care if it's home cooked.

[@rockstarrzz7171]

haha that's breakfast that doesn't count!@@flerbus

[@yarsaz4347]

Pudgey gets too emotional she's letting her hate for Walter affect her judgement

[@randallsorensen9836]

Mike previously said no more half measures. In the last episode he was going to shoot Walter, but let himself be talked out of it. He chose a half measure. It came back to bite Mike here when Walter "Ticking Time Bomb" White blew up-just like he predicted he would. So Mike not following his own rules and not taking Walter out when he had the chance led to his demise.

[@anthonyzarate9807]

P.S. Remember, Mike was going to force Walt to sell his share of the Methlamyne (hope my spelling isn't too bad), and Jessie stole almost all of Walt's life savings and spent and strippers and partying, so all 3 do underhanded things for selfish reaaons

[@BhBc8f8]

I mean Walt killed Mike's boss and got away with it so he should consider himself lucky to be alive

[@anthonyzarate9807]

@@BhBc8f8 I agree, all I was pointing out is all of the men & Lydia and Skylar made decisions that cannot be excused. All of them need to take responsibility for the decisions they made

[@anthonyzarate9807]

@@BhBc8f8 P.S. and they all are criminals and all have blood on their hands

[@diavolo007]

@@BhBc8f8you mean the boss that threatened to kill his entire family including his infant daughter?

[@GoonHandz]

tbh you both made good points. pudgey is right in being pissed that after everything they’ve done for each other, walt jerked jesse out of 5 tickets when walt stands to make 200. just pay the man and wish him a good life. let him get back with andrea. but spartan is also right, that after everything that has happened, jesse has accountability in all of it. even the death of that kid on the dirt bike. even the death of combo. he can feel bad about it all he wants. from 50,000 feet, jesse should just be happy to escape with no jail time and his life. it’s not fair, but there it is. forget about the drug game, life is not fair. i think i’m giving pudgey the slight edge only because, while there is no honor amongst thieves, there is honor among comrades in arms and walt is being super petty in not paying jesse. he’s doing it to manipulate jesse. they owe each other better than that.

[@garrettwurdeman7133]

I’ve waited for this episode for a while. Ever since they predicted a season ago that Walt would kill Mike. They still had no idea the petty way it was gonna go down.

[@jasonrd316]

Walt saved Jesse, but remember Gus fell out of favor with Jesse because he brought Jesse in to save Hank. Gus had Walt and Gale and they were on a gravy train with biscuit wheels. Walt knew Jesse wasn't good for Gus' business back then, so that was the beginning of Gus' downfall.

[@joetamburello6292]

Walt caused his own problems from Day 1

[@Philliben1991]

Walt told Jesse no one else would die and then immediately kills Mike when he didn't need to and it was completely unnecesarry.

[@hankscorpio7767]

It wasn't completely unnecessary.... Mike was leaving Walt and Jesse high and dry by refusing to hand out those names and accepting the fact he was wrong about "his guys". The guys were going to snitch, the lawyer already did (hence Mike needing to run in the first place) and the laundry manager was about to. It's also heavily implied Mike would've came back and killed Walt if he found out he killed those guys. Mike made his bed here.... And this is coming from a guy whose favorite character in the BB/BCS universe is Mike.

[@yashjoseph3544]

@@hankscorpio7767 You don't know for a fact that Mike would've come back to kill Walt. Why would he take a massive risk like that? Walt killed Mike for NO REASON other than Mike roasting him. Don't try to defend Walt's actions here.

[@neil2444]

One of the scenes throughout the entire series that really sticks out for me is the negotiation scene in the beginning. At the end of the previous episode, Mike had a gun to Walter's head ready to shoot. He shows up at this negotiation taking charge and showing that he has all the leverage, and then he rams it home by his "Say my name" bit. Beautifully written.

[@saileshnaidu8102]

are ppl forgetting mike wasnt right? walt killed gus bcos gus was gonna kill his entire family.

[@mrtveye6682]

To be fair, Walt didn't kill Gus out of greed or ego. He killed Gus out of self defence. Gus was the one who wanted Walt out, and threatened to kill him and his family. And why? Because Walt saved Jesses life at the end of season 3, cause Gus used kids as dealers and assassins. Edit: Sorry, I posted to quickly, you guys figured it out in the post reaction talk.

[@wheelhousers1355]

Jesse was Cap'n Cook before meeting up with Walter. The DEA were actually there to bust him, but he happened to be with a neighbor and Walt saw it. Walt just conned an existing meth cook to teach him and help him make money. In a world of bad people, Jesse is "less bad", but still pretty damn bad.

[@sethleon2158]

In the series 'The Wire' the stick up guy Omar famously states 'A man got to have a code'. Morals still matter in crime. Neither Gus (using kids), nor Heisenberg (as the show progressed) had a moral code. Unlike Walt, Jessie never lost his code. Mike never lost his code. Yes Mike and Jessie were both bad guys -- yes -- the badness gets overlooked too much for both of them. But morals still matter in criminals.

[@Josh86_559]

24:47 I don't agree with Mike, that Walter blew it up. Walter went against Gus to save Jesse's life when he ran over & shot those dealers. Let's not forget Gus and Mike wanted Jesse dead at first, and Walter stopped that from happening. After that Gus wasn't gonna let that go, so Walter acted in self-defense

[@monkeyhook6856]

This AND the fact gale was always meant to be the inside man to replace Walter and run the lab exactly as Gus wants, completely and utterly loyal to gus, so even back way before Jesse was in the lab, getting him in the lab at all was a huge play of self defense as well

[@anthonyzarate9807]

Remember when Hank says "Yeah, he's dreamy", referring to Jessie (to the gas station girl)? That is part of how Pudgey sees Jessie as well. However, more than that, she sees Jessie as a young innocent victim (using her emotions instead of looking at the facts), but in reality, Jessie was a willing participant way before Walt ever even thought of cooking meth. The fact is everyone involved is responsible for their own decisions and actions. Yes, Jessie is by far a more likeable and attractive character, literally and figuratively, and the writing makes it even more glaring as the show progresses. In the end, Spartan is 100% correct, he is speaking logic, not using a bias about a character he likes or hated more. He even admitted he likes Jessie more, but Jessie & Walt are both bad people and criminals and murderers, no matter how you slice it.

[@lastool]

I love the comment you made about how Walt started the mess the Gus to save Jessie. I want to be clear, I was as furious with Walt in this episode as anyone, however, the writing in this show is so good, because you can trace wrong back to everyone. Mike even doesn't acknowledge that he was telling Walt "no more half measures" and was advocating for Jessie to be killed. Jessie causing internal turf wars with Gus' other dealers is what triggered everything. With that said, Walt evolved into a monster

[@willesnille]

From reactors and friends Ive talked to who have seen the show I think most people assign moral responsibility to characters in inverse proportion to how cute and charming they are.

[@oscar_n_t]

great discussion. Its definitely something i think about when i watch it, how much did jesse buy into everything willingly and how much was he just manipulated the whole way. For sure walt coerced him into it so so so many times, but then there were times he chose that life, like when he started trying to deal to the rehab people etc.

[@batistalift]

Juicy post-watch discussion. I think Im rather with Spartan on this one. The train heist was done with the premise of setting everything up for a gigantic meth production, the three of them agreed on it. It might be pretty harsh of Walt to not pay Jesse out, but I dont think Jesse is clearly entitled to the money, since selling the methylamine wasnt the plan they originally agreed to.

[@jek4837]

They all equally own 1/3 of the business. They even established a system of each having an equal vote. Two partners voted to get out. Walt owes him the money. He gave Mike his share, right? How is Mike entitled to a share but Jesse isn't?

[@DDsportsmart13]

​@jek4837 Walt doesn't have 5 million to give to jesse. Remember he lost must of his money and Mike got 5 mill from the deal not Walter. I'm sure if he had the money he would give it to him

[@famohsen]

Walt saved jessi caused he cared he went back for him when Jane dad told him you don’t give up on family

[@oliviabelisle8316]

I feel its more about Walt maintaining a fatherly role, in his eyes/mind anyhow. He saw an actual caring father and he couldnt let someone be more "caring" than him. Its all about ego and being the best... thats just my opinion! 🙏🙏💕

[@fibophi239]

The universe is quite well detailed. You got another show and an aftermath movie that allows nostalgic revisits. So don't stress about it finishing guys!

[@TheRoyalFino]

Re-watching Breaking Bad with the "You just had to blow it up" line in mind, Mike's full of shit. He's covering for Jesse. Jesse caused the issues between Walt and Gus. Forgiving everything that happened before-hand, the business partnership between Gus, Walt, Jesse and, by extension, Mike, was poisoned by Jesse getting greedy, asking questions and then trying to sell on-the-side. Gus also didn't tell them about the problems with the cartel, which may have calmed things down. He didn't trust Walt or respect Jesse till it was way too late.

[@Kevin.Costner.]

my last “WALLTUHHHHHHH” comment 💔😭

[@samuelchallis3420]

From here on out it’s only Waltaaww

[@kyledubs3500]

"I'm about to bop him one!" - Pudgey's cutest moment ever

[@hypocritex]

Spartan is right on this one. At the end of the day Jesse is responsible for his own decisions. And if you're argument is going back to season 1 where Walt gave him an ultimatum. You're absolving Jesse of responsibility of cooking meth in the first place... Before Walt.. And in this season. Jesse even tells Mike.. Listen to what he has to say. He has a plan. Jesse could've left. He didn't. Walt isn't to blame for Jesses decisions. He's a grown man. Does Jesse deserve his portion of the money. Yeah probably.. but what does "deserve" have to do with anything in a Meth world. Lol.

[@crairdin]

Guys. Pay attention. The deal Walter arranged with Mike and Jesse was to give them their $5 million each if they agreed to the deal he wanted to do with Declan. That was the whole foundation of the episode.

[@lizt12121]

impressvie that spartan rememberd that it was actually mostly jessie's fault that thing went south with gus

[@yashjoseph3544]

No, it was Walt's fault for refusing to work with Gale because he didn't want a partner that was equal to him.

[@PassionDistrict]

@@yashjoseph3544no… Walt had to get Jessie to replace gale so Jessie didn’t press charges on Hank. What are you talking about

[@liquidvenom0281]

Why ya'll act Mike is a way better person than Walt lol

[@levilevi9621]

Not better. Just easier to work with lol

[@kroanosm617]

Team Spartan. Pudgey is wrong! Jesse was taking risk long before he met Walt. Jesse was cooking on his own before Walt knew anything about the product or business. Jesse lost his money when Hank took it. Then he forced Walt to support him. What about the time that they almost missed the deal with Gus because Jesse was high. Jesse came looking for Walt after one of the times Walt quit.

[@playonesong5430]

Mike should blame Jesse for shutting down the business with Fring. Jesse decided to take revenge. Walter saved him. Walter put Jesse higher his family, business and relations with Gus... Blame Jesse, not Walt. The House of cards was destroyed at the moment when Walter killed the dealers. But the reason is saving Jesse. If it hadn't been for that incident, Jesse would have died, and Walter would have worked with Mike and Fring. They would have been best friends. Mike is talking nonsense.

[@MrTestertester]

I have been waiting for this episode reaction, starting the video now.

[@kevinhermosillo9291]

Lol Spartan makes 100% sence i think what Pudgey doesn't get is there in a crime industry morality doesnt exist like in other situations. If a drug dealer gets killed you cant be like he was innocent didnt deserve it since doing that comes with that kinds of risk.

[@filipedandalo]

I’m with Pudgey on the point that it’s not for Walter to decide if Jesse gets his share

[@Jimmyconway77]

There’s no rules in this game there might seem like there is but there isn’t. That’s why you can’t trust anyone

[@waszner]

Team Spartan! He had really good points. Pudgey's judgments seems super clouded with hate for Walt, even when Spartan is trying to bring up a different perspective. It is understandable that Pudgey feels like that, but she was not letting Spartan... I guess play devil's advocate (can't think of a better way to say it) and made it into the whole long argument to try and prove she is right."

[@acaciopoliveira]

Mike goes with the best line that not many, if no one, managed to say to Walther!... Is high profile in better Call Saul is also something that even better then in Breaking Bad elevates the show!...

[@mem1701movies]

24:47 do you remember the part where Gus threatened Walt and his family? Mike was a hypocrite in this scene.

[@Huckleberry42]

People forget how unhinged Jesse was for most of the Early seasons. He did a lot of drugs. Threw away his money. Put the business multiple times in danger by his behavior. Got Walter almost caught by Hank in the camper. Tried to compete with Walter and gus with selling his own drugs with his crew. Tried to blackmail walt with his girlfriend. Ruined the relationship with Walter and Gus. The whole reason gale came into picture was because of Jesse needing to be replaced in the first place and it got Walter almost killed if he didn't phone Jesse to kill Gale. The roles are now reversed. But Walter has been in surviving mode for a long time. Add to that his family falling apart the whole reason why he is doing it in the first place. It's enough reason for someone to break bad.

[@yashjoseph3544]

You do realize that Walt was the one who blackmailed Jesse to cook with him in the first place? Walt was the one who killed Jane by pushing her on her back and allowing her to choke to death just to keep Jesse with him. He also caused the fallout with Gus over refusing to work with Gale because he didn't want a partner that was equal to him. People really need to stop trying to blame others for Walt's actions and recognize that Walt is the reason for his own failure.

[@Huckleberry42]

@@yashjoseph3544 nobody is saying Walt is a good guy

[@AllMenMustServe]

⁠@@yashjoseph3544Walt didn’t push Jane on purpose. But then yes, he did let her die. Jesse has numerous chances to get out of the business after they started cooking. Jesse started his own business and started selling meth to people who were rehabbing. Jesse is also the only culprit of his own failures. Deal with it. Walt made his bed, but so did Jesse and Mike. Facts don’t care about your feelings.

[@AllMenMustServe]

@@yashjoseph3544plus, Walt didn’t fire Gale because he didn’t want an equal working with him. He fired him to get Jesse on board since he was going to file charges against Hank and threatened Walter and Gus. What show were you watching or do you just have selected memory? Put your single braincell to use for onde

[@Yora21]

"No half measures"

[@kornelthunderbolt9962]

simply love you guys. always great to hear your thoughts before and after each episode. we are getting close to the end of this one of a kind tv show :)

[@lkb3rd]

I think clearly Walter carries the most guilt, he is the most evil he does the most damage to everyone he knows. Jesse is more sympathetic, he always agonizes over the evil stuff, but he is not blameless. By this point Walter has gone full evil. I am not Bsing to say you're both right, it isn't one way or the other, it's all blurred and complicated. As to owed or not, they had an agreement and Walter owes him according to that. Just because they are criminals doesn't mean agreements don't apply. If you don't care what happens to Jesse because of the things hes done that's ok, but he is 100% owed his share of the money, and you can't force him to stay by breaking the agreement without adding to the incredible evil he's guilty of. I think another weird thing that blurs stuff like this is Walter (Bryan Cranston)'s charisma. He's incredible because even when he's all of this stuff, he's charismatic, and ... can't say likeable, but you can't stop watching and wondering at him haha.

[@lehran2516]

It's worth mentioning that the people Walt hit with his car most likely had ties to the cartel not Gus. The first thing Gus wanted to know is why they didn't simply raise the issue with him first and later seemed genuinely upset when they implied that he would use children. If they talked that one out there's a good chance Gus would have gotten rid of them around the same time he took out the Dons.

[@SnaFubar_24]

Team Spartan here! You said it right my friend, this whole debate is emotion vs objectivity and I would add that it is emotion over logic. Pudgey is determined to find a way where Jesse has no accountability for his decisions because Walt is manipulative therefore entirely at fault for Jesse's predicament. She starts with the conclusion that ...'poor Jesse' and then she grasps and grabs for anything to justify her emotional feeling for poor Jesse while she goes down in flames. Sorry Pudgey, I love ya but you do seem to reason through emotion. It's not a fault, it's a feature and it's one that has helped humans survive. it is just different than most guys would see it although some will see it your way.

[@cheekyramen]

I agree with Spartan that Jesse willingly chose to go back in the business and that he needs accountability for how he ended up but I'm also on Team Pudgey that Jesse was done wrong by Walt in this particular scenario (and many other situations in the past tbh). Both of those things can be true. It just rubs me the wrong way how dismissive Walt is about Jesse's concerns when Jesse is always ready to hear him out (even If Mike's plan would have been better for him) and actually trusted Walt enough to take his decision to leave seriously but instead Walt was such an asshole about it, saying Jesse's got nothing except cooking meth when Walt was the one who initially roped him into all this mess and even halted him a couple of times from actually having something in life other than their meth business

[@TheRepublican777]

Walt does genuinely care about Jesse in his own twisted way at this point he is trying to control Jesse's decision he only let Mike get the 5 million and wants to try and talk Jesse into staying with him because he wants him as a partner he is the closest thing to family that he has left right now he still thinks of him as a son or nephew and he thinks if he cooks with him again he will forget about wanting to leave the business and even when a complement doesn't make Jesse stay he resorts to cutting him down again you can see the hurt on Jesse's face when he says under his breath "Mr white" in disbelief that he is cutting him down again after they have been so good with their friendship now and you can see right after Walt insults him when Jesse looks down Walter turns his head with a sad face like he really hates cutting Jesse down and hurting his feelings again but he thinks if he makes Jesse feel insecure again he will feel hopeless enough to feel he needs to stick around and not be alone. The acting is so great on both of them

[@74gould]

I knew it was coming, but it’s SO sad… Mike’s one of the best characters on the show. He was a boss.

[@BhBc8f8]

38:32 yeah no, Walt would never have been successful in the "industry" without him and the magnests and train heist were his idea. Give the man his money 👏💰

[@carriesmith742]

8:17 coolest Spartan has EVER looked, lol. 😂 43:35 I agree with Spartan. Jesse willingly came back of his own accord. Jesse could've said no at any point, especially once Walt was tied into it as well. He's an adult. Walt killed Gus's men to save Jesse's life! 45:15 Gus took him in the desert and threatened to kill his entire family! HEALTH HAD to kill Gus to ensure their safety.

[@Kaldurahm1]

Gotta be on Team Spartan here. Jesse isn't innocent here. It's unfair, yeah, to have Walt keep the money but Jesse isn't a good dude and there *is* some hypocrisy in wanting to profit from the results of the heist but also want to leave and make moral arguments... Because of the results of the heist. Someone *could* say, "You feel bad enough about being part of a kid dying but not bad enough to give up the money you got from b that act?" That's not why Walt is doing it but that point still stands. It's still blood money

[@TheRepublican777]

The kid dying was Todds fault though not really theirs but indirectly i guess because they chose to rob the train and Jesse came up with that solid plan and yet someone innocent still died

[@bobdonda]

This is the one episode where I think the show missed the mark. Imagine if the conflict played out like this: Walt demands the names, Mike says no, Walt says his business will go up in flames if those men talk and everything he did will have been for nothing, that he hasn't provided for his family and doesn't even have enough money to run from the law (making it clear just how completely screwed Walt is if he doesn't get the names). Then Mike responds with a similar argument that he had in the show but a ruder tone to it - "TOO BAD. You're screwed? It's YOUR FAULT, we had a good thing with Gus but YOUR choices caused this". Mike says that these are good men with families to provide for and he's not going to kill them all just to benefit Walt and his family. Walt angrily goes to get the gun, points it at Mike, and screams GIVE ME THE NAMES, Mike refuses, then Walt opens fire. I think something like this tells the same story this episode was going for, just makes it a lot more clear why Walt is doing it. The way the show did it, Walt just didn't seem to have a real need to kill him. If the story is supposed to be that Mike made Walter so uncontrollably angry that he lost control, then I think they missed the mark because Mike's well-reasoned criticism shouldn't have made Walt that full of rage. But it does make sense if Walt is desperate and afraid that he'll end up in jail with nothing and his family remaining poor.

[@mappes1]

I honestly disagree. Walter could never take criticism, and now that it comes full force from the one guy left who wouldnt be manipulated, coerced or forced by walt to do what he wants while at the same walt views himself as the G.O.A.T., it escalates. I think it shows how deep walt has fallen. He thinks he is now that calculating brilliant mastermind, but now he actually actually in a spot where he commits a murder solely out of passion (anger and spite, to be precise). I dont think he thought about getting the names, he just wanted to kill mike as payback. After that his more rational side kicks in again and reminds him of lydia. So the murder is all emotion, not rationale IMO. It also kinda fits for his evolution considering his murders. His motives and rationales and feelings regarding murder change more and more throughout the show. First Emilio. That was in self-defense. Then krazy-8. That was also in self-defense after nearly letting him go. And he was shattered directly after it. Maybe tuco, that was self-defense, but without hesitation (I mean if the ricin-plan would have worked). Then jane, which was to save his financial future (no more blackmail) and to get a hild of jesse again. This was not as much out of self-defense anymore, but to protect "his stuff". Then he wants to save jesse and has no trouble with murder at all anymore (he executes someone point blank) and is not affected by it at all. Then Gale, which initially he wanted to kill as a tactical move (he actually would have needed to kill gus at that point already, but he wanted to keep cooking. So gale is also imo not really about self-defense). Then he seems to have trouble to recognize or relate to how much jesse is affected by a murder. Then he kills gus, tyreese and tio salamanca by blowing up a retirement-home. No remorse there, but a feeling of triumph. And now, he just kills because he is angry. Motives, rationale and feelings regarding murder change so much that now he is at a point where he does not really need rational motives anymore. Walter is already a mass murderer at this point. I mean bryan cranston even moves like an angry child when he walks up to the car with the gun

[@bobdonda]

@@mappes1 But every kill was out of necessity, or at least Walt thought it was. He wouldn't let anyone stand in his way. If the writers are going to progress him to someone who will kill out of anger, they need to sell that idea a little better. This was a standard argument and Walt has been in plenty of those before, so why does he get violent this time? They should have really driven home the point that Mike is choosing to protect his men even though it means Walt's downfall, which makes Walt seem him as another man standing Walt's way as he's trying to provide for his family.

[@mappes1]

​​​​​@@bobdonda I do not think all the violence is necessary (or the necessities of the violence the only driving factor). It is necessary because walter does not want to stop cooking. He could have always gone to the DEA. He could have let jesse handle the dealers alone - or stuck to the division of labor from the start and avoid 90% of all the problems coming afterwards. He could have called the cops, turned himself in ... I think the necessarities (if true or not) coincide often with what his ego wants, so there is always an excuse (valid or not). Abd his ego wants to be the boss alone, working with people under him - not someone who is above him or eye to eye (probably one of tje reasons he left grey matter amd gretchen and settled for skyler, too). Now when there is no necessity but his frsgile ego is severly wounded, he still murders someone. That is kinda telling about walt I think, instead of bad writing it tells us something about how insecure and what kind of a loose canon he truly is. Mike is walts perfect nightmare for a business partner in regard to his ego. He is like a wall walt cannot manipulate. Walt is again and again trying to get in a pissing match with mike by opposing him and trying to meddle in business. He is also trying to get him to say thank you or anything else that will stroke his ego - and mike is having none of it, he is a rock. Mike cant be manipulated by walter, nor does he give him any extra points nor strokes walters ego, he sees right through walts BS. Now he is going away, does not submit to walter and on top of it tells him to go f*ck himself. Walt is nit able to let that ne the last thing to have happened between him and mike, he has to win - or at least destroy mike. The violence is very alive in walter in season 5 in general. He suggests blowing up the evidence room after trying to gaslight mike with "we need a device". He wants immediatly to kill the inmates after he hears about them. He does not give a flying f*ck about drew sharp. He votes to kill lydia because he thinks he cannot benefit from her anymore. Violence becomes like his first option in season 5.

[@HiMyNameIsDannny]

I agree with Spartan. Mike, Jesse, and Walter agreed to steal the methylamine and make meth. Jesse and Mike wanted to diverge from that plan. It doesn't make sense that Walter owes Jesse money from a deal Walter never agreed with. Plus Walter was right when he called out how Jesse is hypocritical for being fine for taking money from a business he finds so repulsive.

[@mem1701movies]

Mike was a hypocrite. He was going to kill Walt. Gus threatened Walt’s entire family.

[@stevesmith4600]

Walt got rid of Gale and brought Jesse back into the fold, because Hank had just attacked Jesse, and Jesse was saying his "Get out of jail free card" is turning in Walt. Walt didn't want to kill Jesse, but he needed to maneuver so that Jesse wouldn't flip on Walt. By bringing Jesse back on-board and replacing Gale, Walt got Jesse back on his side, and side-stepped Gale stealing his recipe.

[@burtman.]

Actually interesting debate with reasonable points. But not for the first time miss understanding each other’s side I think. Walt’s deal where “everyone wins” was meant to pay Jesse out $5M. From purely a business sense he is owed that. I think Pudgey wasn’t clear in what she meant by owed so in Spartans mind he conflated it to something else and he’s right there is no fair and right in this game.

[@xerxes5785]

Remember when Lydia wanted to eliminate the names she also sent someone after Mike? We have the same situation here. It was never about Mike giving Walt the names, that’s why Walt picked up the gun from the bag beforehand, it was about the fact that one of those names was Mike himself.

[@logicalanswer3529]

Spartan, you have the patience of a saint.

[@SpartanandPudgey]

🤣🙏🏼

[@DrewDragoon]

People don't like to hear it because Jonathan Banks is very charming and charismatic, and Mike isn't completely without morals, but the character Mike got exactly what he deserved. He's a corrupt individual who has done some cold-blooded stuff. Regardless of if he feels bad about it, he has killed people straight up. You don't get to be a hired assassin and leave money to your granddaughter, that isn't justice. What about the hard-working grandfathers out there that work a 9 to 5 job for 40 years and never see even a quarter of that money?

[@dogcat823]

Gus was going to kill Walter family because he saved Jesse so Walter had to kill Gus what’s something Mike was unwilling to see So yes Mike did call Walter out on stuff but Mike used Walter bad decision to avoid taking accountability for his actions

[@tyronnemoosa4741]

Team Spartan!! Respect him for realizing Walter and Jesse, even towards the end, aren’t completely black and white characters.. it’s not like Jesse is this hero and Walt is the Villain. They’re both extremely morally grey. Feels like Pudgy’s dumping all the blame for Jesse’s hardship on Walt but she forgets Jesse was in the business before Walt, he never manipulate Jesse into it. Even the whole Jane situation we tend to only look at the fact that Walt could’ve saved her but he didn’t, when Jesse is the one that got her to start using again. She’s a grown woman and can make her own decisions but if anyone else is to blame for her death it’s Jesse. And it’s not unreasonable to think that if Walt had saved her they both would’ve been dead within weeks. All of this is just me saying both Walt and Jesse have their faults and I don’t think one is better or worse than the other. Jesse made his bed now he’s gotta sleep in it, same as Walt.

[@yashjoseph3544]

You completely forget that Walt blackmailed Jesse in the very first episode to work with him by threatening to turn him into the police. He DID manipulate Jesse into it. You really think that Walt had Jesse's "best interests at heart" by allowing Jane to die? Walt was being blackmailed by Jane, and he was about to lose Jesse as a partner. If he let her choke to death by pushing her on her back, he would be able to force Jesse back into the game and protect himself. If he truly cared about Jesse's drug problem, he could've called the police and sent them to rehab. Not to mention this irreparably damaged Jesse's mental well-being for the rest of the series. Walt even knew this was wrong as you can see the tears rolling down his face when Jane was dying. Walt is WORSE than Jesse in the morals department, and the show makes this obviously clear. But I guess some people just love Walt so much they want to excuse him from his horrible deeds like in this comment section.

[@tyronnemoosa4741]

@@yashjoseph3544 no I’m not saying Walt had Jesse’s best interest at heart, I’m saying that everyone is quick to blame all of Jesse’s hardships on Walt when a lot of them were his own doing and stemmed from his f*** ups. The Jane thing would’ve never happened had he not got her using again, he knew she was a recovering addict and he basically lured her back in which eventually killed her. Walt did what he had to do at that time; Jesse was falling deeper and deeper into this hole and you could see how Jane was now pitting him against Walt; no one knows what would’ve happened if Jane hadn’t died but I’m willing to wager it wouldn’t have been much better than the way Jesse’s life turned out, one of them of both or them would’ve been caught or died if they continued down that path. You say call the police on him but you got to remember at this point the cops already had a hard on for Jesse and were really suspicious of him; that’s never going to be a good idea and Walt knew that. So there’s really only two options at that point: save Jane and let Jesse run off with her or let her die to keep Jesse for himself. As selfish as it was of Walt to make a decision like that let’s not pretend that Jesse has no blame in that scenario. Walt was a morally grey character who redeemed himself at the very end; and Jesse was a morally grey character as well, he just redeemed himself a lot earlier than Walt so for a time I would agree that Walt was using Jesse but before season 5 Jesse was all in on the business, I’d say willingly cos even tho Walt threatened him in the beginning it’s not like he forced him to stay at gun point. Jesse made his own decisions that led him down this path of pain and sorrow

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