Speer Gold Dot 223 Gel Test: 55gr vs 62gr vs 75gr

[@bill2747]

The burn marks in the gel from the 55gr is called the diesel effect. The rapid collapse of the temporary cavity causes the air trapped inside the cavity to ignite. That being said the massive disruption of the gel in those first two shots definitely had an effect on the penetration of the 75gr load. Thanks for the video

[@angry_zergling]

Oh, neat! I didn't know that. I was familiar with the 'flash' you sometimes get from a high velocity projectile when the TSC closes up was gasses 'dieseling' but it didn't occur to me that an instant of ignition could flash-burn the gel like that. Pretty cool.

[@xxdizannyxx]

That happens when i thrust my caulk in super hard and fast with all 9 inches of mass

[@freshsteve509]

@@xxdizannyxxweak

[@LîNkxUSMC]

​@@xxdizannyxx all 9 cm*

[@nelsonr1467]

Finally the video I've been waiting for.

[@kjh1227]

I love the Speer Gold Dot line of bullets and I like the fact that you tested all 3 back to back. I feel the 75gr numbers are handicapped due to the fact that your shooting it through a beat up jell block. I personally would have swapped jell blocks for the 75gr. That would explain the delayed expansion and deeper penetration.

[@TheKalkara131]

Hindsights 20/20. I could've at least flipped the same block around, but live and learn.

[@robertgoodrich8953]

How about giving a measurement of the permanent wound cavity? That is one of the most important specifications!

[@TerminalM193]

Speer makes a phenomenal bonded softpoint bullet. I've been reloading the 75g offering for awhile now, pushing the pressure envelope while still staying safe. Lake city brass has done the best for me so far. Easily the most accurate sp round for 223/556. Coyotes within 300 yards don't stand a chance. Taken feral hogs within 100 yards and dropped a big white tail at 50 yards. He jumped straight up in the air and took off maybe 25 yards and just immediately dropped. I still need to mess around with loading the 62g but I've had so much success with the 75g.

[@EZ_Case]

Where are you finding the 75g? The only option I ever come across is the 55.

[@TerminalM193]

@@EZ_Case You really have to keep your eyes peeled on a few sources. Here of recent they've been harder to find. After shooting all options the 62g is my favorite. The 55g is great for coyotes but nothing bigger while the 62g carries WAY more velocity than the 75g so between both the heavier options the 62g shares very similar terminal performance with the 75. Just keep your eyes open for some good sources and don't get ripped off. Reddit will also help you mind some good sources to look out for.

[@thecocooreo]

16" 62gr 1-7 twist, the penetration and expansion for home defense round is prefect

[@zachariafy4652]

you should try a good frangible round they explode in gel but people talk shit and i dont understand why

[@jstud999]

@@zachariafy4652 it’s because they don’t penetrate nearly deep enough. It’s not an ideal choice for self defense

[@anthonymartinez3084]

How would 62 grain do in 1-7 twist 20 inch?

[@harisyoung4110]

Try some vmax bullets.. i use that 60gr vmax in my 10.5inch ar, tested it on a hogs, its penetrate adequately and exploded the meat more than what the speer soft point did.

[@anthonymartinez3084]

@@harisyoung4110 sounds good will try out

[@7N6ballistics]

Velocity is a factor in rifle wounding ballistics. If expansion is similar and penetration adequate….higher velocity is preferred. I have seen 55gr Gold Dot exit on an unobstructed soft tissue torso shot, and also lodge under skin on back of torso after striking ribs. From an uncalibrated individual. 62gr strikes a good balance of velocity/barrier penetration. 75gr may be preferred when auto glass is the priority. Think NYPD vs Suburban PD vs Highway Patrol

[@916medic]

The California Department of Corrections (CDCR) uses this round in all of its tower for their rifles.(SPEER gold dot 55 grain and 62 grain). Unfortunately they have been used. I have seen photos of inmates that were struck while attempting to stab another inmate or staff and the results were incredible. If you look online you might be able to find the photo of the autopsy.

[@crafty714]

My department used the 62gr. 2 OIS and both worked like they were made to work. I retired in 2021. I still have a few boxes.

[@andrewnesbitt2523]

I'm having zero luck finding either 62 or 75 gr Gold Dot right now. I can only imagine how insane it must have been to find during the pandemic. Glad you posted this!

[@TheKalkara131]

I had more luck finding it back in the pandemic when this was recorded then now. It's just completely dissappeared

[@andrewnesbitt2523]

@@TheKalkara131 Seriously!

[@olmangarcia943]

Federal MSR is a very close stand in

[@ABowlofPho]

Well, recoilgunworks revently restocked the 75 gr Gold Dots in the past several weeks. I ordered a box of 500 for myself earlier.

[@nateplantz4969]

Great video! Wish more people would do back to back testing with the same rifle, same ammo but different weight bullets. The performance of the 75gr is exactly why I switched all my defense ammo over to the 77gr otm bullets (not gold dot, only because I can't find it anywhere).

[@squidy4082]

I’d still use 55g for a whole setup no ?

[@nemoexnuqual3643]

It depends on target and situation. The 77 over penetrates. The 75 grain didn’t expand much more but it retained energy because of its mass but uneven expansion caused that specific bullet to deviate and tumble. Take FBI standards with a grain of salt, it is actually pretty arbitrary. Consider the thickness of a human, about 8-10 inches. So for home defense a 55 grain will cause more damage with less danger of over penetration. For hunting deer or boar the 77-75 is better.

[@shockwave6213]

For being shot on a phone, that is actually some very good Slow Mo footage. A rig to capture the "Pro quality" slow mo costs thousands of dollars for the camera, so this is fantastic for what you have on hand.

[@TheKalkara131]

It's the super slo mo setting on my old Galaxy S9+. Definitely a nice use for an old phone.

[@jimhovater8755]

I've been searching for the 75gr GoldDots for 2 years. I'd be happy to find the 75-grainers to reload with.

[@EZ_Case]

I’ve been searching for 4 years now. I see it at only one online retailer for $3 a round.

[@robertgoodrich8953]

Ammoseek has lots of places

[@albou1]

Hey, Man, Thanks for taking the time to make this video. It gave me the information I needed to make my ammo choice. Much appreciated.

[@angry_zergling]

I favor the 62 grain in bonded soft points like this. My most favorite defensive ammunition is the 50 grain TSX, but at $90+ for a box of 50, it's hard to justify more than a mag or two of the stuff to have on tap if something very bad happens while stocking up on 62 in bulk.

[@muffemod]

50 gr TSX absolutely drops any two legged target on the spot.

[@thatoneguy454c]

The crazy thing is how well they preform VS the cost of the components. The bullets for handloading cost less than the hornady OTM bullets. Cant wait for the 75 grain bullets to be available again, but the 62 grain bullets are always available. They make them for law enforcement so they are always in stock. If you have a reloading setup you can load them for about 40-50 cents a round even with todays primer cost. If you are looking for fighting ammo you would be hard pressed to find a better option. They will drop a deer no problem as well, so you are also getting a good hunting round. They are almost the same as the federal power shok. The GoldDot is just designed to get less penatration compared to the fuzion/power shok.

[@internetuser1324]

Love the video bro. Finally happy to see someone compare all 3 flavors of gold dots from a 14.5” Wish you did more gel tests. Its insane that you don’t have waaaay more subs. KZbin must be throttling gun channels like they are to lots of other channels. Wish i had the money to donate a bunch of gel and ammo to your channel cuz i really wanna see a video that compares all the common SD rounds and budget rounds out of a 14.5

[@smithnwesson990]

US military should have the 75gr gold dot loaded up by black hills like the mk262. Even higher BC and more terminally effective. Game changer

[@beserkr3081]

Geneva

[@smithnwesson990]

@@beserkr3081 The US Military doesn't actually have to follow the Geneva convention on expanding bullets. They can and have used expanding rounds like Hornady TAP for Special Operations soldiers as it was highly effective. Ballistic understanding has changed over the last half century and expanding rounds are not inflicting unnecessary harm. They actually prevent pass throughs.

[@bensmith9164]

Why would you not have used the other ballistic gel for the 3rd shot at least.

[@deuce9624]

Those blocks are $80 a piece

[@internetuser1324]

Donate a block to him and i bet he’ll shoot it with whatev u want

[@TerminalM193]

@@deuce9624 they are very easy to boil down and reshape

[@-Rome-]

Good test! Keep the content going! Really surprised that this video doesn’t have more likes…

[@metaller_alex]

62 seems to be a sweet spot. For longer barrel 75 might be better.

[@anthonymartinez3084]

How about 62 grain in 1-7 twist 20 inch

[@metaller_alex]

@@anthonymartinez3084 Should be fine.

[@thatoneguy454c]

I hand load with both the 62 and 75, they are both fantastic. The 75 grain bullets actually have a rather impressive BC for what they are and will reach out just as far as mk262. I shot some water jugs out at 450 with a 16 inch barrel with 1 in 8 twist. They still had enough energy to expand and blow the jugs up. That's impressive for a 5.56 in my opinion.

[@benbowditch9265]

Good stuff! I Love Andrew and all of his work. For being your first gel test video, this is great! I recently got a buddy to order 1k 62gr GD's to load up for him, Best HD ammo on the low low. Keep making content :)

[@NoGoBu]

Quote by John Wayne, " never apologized it's a sign of weakness " Thanks for the vid, it's great 👍

[@EchoSigma6]

I could watch ballistic gel videos all day long. Since I don’t own any SBR’s, I was hoping to see this test in a 16” barrel but I imagine that the difference would not be that much more different. I’m hoping to get my hands on the 55 or 62gr Gold Dot rounds when they become available.

[@GunsBlazingRanch]

Awesome video 👍

[@Marcus2750-u1t]

If you take a heat gun and run it over block it becomes smooth as glass or hair dryer.

[@heatherh2784]

gel is compromised after 1 st shot. thank you for the good work.

[@evanmartinez2049]

Great info, thanks for comparing these. I have IMI 77gr OTM mod 1 (Mk 262 clone) riding in my HD setup as that is all I can find. Keeping an eye out for the gold dot.

[@nemoexnuqual3643]

Keep in mind that all three rounds have comparable energy. Energy retained after passing through the target is wasted. How thick is your target? How far to internal organs. You want max expansion in the area of the internal organs if you are, say, hunting medium game like deer, boar, cougar etc. The lung is about two inches deep on a coyote (my 5.56 game of choice), maybe 4 inches to the heart, most are about 6 inches wide and two foot chest to butt. That means that in open field the 75 has an advantage, but if I’m worried about the bullet passing through and damaging the chicken coop or a tractor the 55 is certainly better.

[@Sparks68]

You're verifying what the FBI concluded with testing bullet weights and choosing 62 grain soft point rated at about 2750 fps muzzle velocity by the factory supplier.

[@jstud999]

I’d love to see you test the Winchester silvertip 223 64gr

[@jtg2259]

One of the better videos on here. Keep it up.

[@frankhujsa821]

This was excellent. Thank you.

[@sttvoyager1727]

Dude I’m giving you a THUMBS UP JUST for making the same mistake I did w/ hearing protection. 55 and 62 these would BE EXCELLENT for home defense for ME. The 75 grain IS AWESOME but for me it’s a little to heavy....GLAD I FOUND YOUR CHANNEL! Subscribed

[@StephanMackie-dy2xm]

I liked it just cos you said “fuck”. My man.

[@ABRAXAS37]

I’m interested in the 55grain version because I usually shoot m193, does anyone have any experience with point of impact shifts between standard m193 and this round? I would like to zero my rifle with this round and still be close with standard ammo at the range

[@coreypulling4881]

I wonder if in a 16 inch if 75 would fall right at 18? Also twist rate seriously matters . I’m assuming you have a 1:8 twist ? I dig it. I think I’m going to use the 62 alternating with underwood controlled chaos in my home defense . I bet the 75 gr would work well in hogs / deer.

[@jlam3927]

55 gr typically smoke because they're dumping all that energy so fast. That's gonna hurt..

[@Laury-kq5gf]

Loved the video. I would like to suggest a hemostat for the bullet removal after the knife insertion. it seems a bit safer way to remove the bullets.

[@burningsporkdeath]

Safer for him and his knife. I expected him to break it on that last one.

[@jerryminarickjr6033]

Great video! Have been waiting to see these back to back. Next time would like to see with clothing in front of the gel also would like to see like 5 different Speer in 9mm.

[@TheKalkara131]

If you mean testing the 223 loads with clothing, I doubt it would make a difference. Bonded soft point bullets shouldn't be bothered at all by clothing.

[@BanGayMarriage]

Did you hold your breath to make that 5 yd shot? 😂

[@tom_olofsson]

Thanks for showing the comparison.

[@TheKalkara131]

You bet

[@mx2ce782]

Great video, been looking for this topic

[@jamesjones8443]

Some of us a forced to buy cheaper options.How about a gel test on the Armscor .223 62gr sps round?Thanks in advance.

[@TheKalkara131]

I'll look for some. Thanks for the comment

[@VenomFirework]

That slow-mo isn't bad at all

[@deanpeterson2272]

I would love just one of these videos on any channel show where or what ranges these bullets fail for what they were designed to do.

[@alanpruett2217]

I know you are after what works best in your rifle, but the 55gr would have done much better from a 20 in barrel with a 1:12 twist.

[@user-oy8dl1er5h]

They are quite rare these days

[@novicereloader]

I think the barrel he used is a 1:7 twist. Speer recommends MV under 2800 fps for that. A little faster and the bullet should start coming apart before it hits the target. That would look cool on the gel, but probably wouldn't do much for putting food on the table. Anyway. You're dead right. I can't understand why so many bolt action varmint guns come in 1:9 and faster twists. There are like ten used Howas at my local cabela's right now. They want $450. I wouldn't pay half that.

[@Alden99669]

Can you compare the 62gr gold dot to the Federal 62gr XM556FBIT3. The FBI ammo is a Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullet and used by many Law Enforcement agencies.

[@TheKalkara131]

If I can find some, I'd love to test it out. But it's not easy to find from what I've seen.

[@triggereffect3444]

Hello, does the drup huge between the 62gr and the 77gr. Because my vcog is for 77gr

[@Mikey5-O]

@TheKalkara131 great video thank you. I live in a neighborhood where the homes are pretty much on top of each other. Do you think the 62gr is a concern compared to the 55gr?

[@TheKalkara131]

I have a couple videos on overpenetration. Check them out.

[@SonOfTheDawn515]

Lighter penetrates less with .223/5.56. Mass, velocity, shape, angle vs medium. Soft points penetrate even less.

[@Mitsurugi2424]

Speer isn't bad, but Federal HST out preforms 9mm Gold Dot, is easier to find, and often costs less. Even the +p variants.

[@SonOfTheDawn515]

Wut? There's no +p in rifles.

[@zappadali8696]

The new Black Hills 5.56 Dual Performance would be interesting.

[@TheKalkara131]

Definitely looks interesting, I signed up to be notified when it comes in stock on a couple sites. Who knows, maybe in a few months it'll be available.

[@randystockton624]

What about just regular 55,62, 75, grain soft point? In any type of .223 or 5.56 ,? I want to deer hunt with my AR and I have already shoot one small 6 pointer with 69 grain outback but no blood trail

[@armedfarm3429]

75gr Hornady BTHP is what you seek. It's awesome on deer.

[@kevinelliott9679]

Get your hands on some 60 gr Nosler Balistic Tips. You will probably have to load them your self, or buy Federal Premium Varmint ammo, a Ramshot Tac works well to drive them

[@Valorius]

All three of these are about as good as it gets.

[@ericmartin2470]

from my understanding the wounding mechanism for 223/556 is the round "tumbles" and does not "expand" but rather "fragments" - typically leaving just the "base" of the round at the end of the wound channel.

[@TerminalM193]

Yes, that's the most desirable effect when using fmj type cartridges like M193. This kind of limits yourself when using that type of cartridge because the shorter the barrel is the shorter your distance gets for the desired effect. The great thing about the Speer Gold Dot bullet is that it's designed to give proper expansion from a MUCH wider margin of velocity. The 62g & 75g is also going to be WAY more accurate than the M193 from 50 yards all the way out to 800.

[@ericmartin2470]

@@TerminalM193 this brings up another issue... cost. Speer Gold Dot is at the $1 per round and at that price point i'd go with 308 all day, every day. if i want a rifle with a 14" or less barrel i'll just go with a pistol caliber. now if i'm working for a Police Dept. or Government agency then the taxpayer will be paying and i will not care. finally, i do not see any self defense situation where i'm shooting out past 50 yards and not needing a really good attorney.

[@TerminalM193]

@@ericmartin2470 This is why it's wise to carry firearms insurance these days.... It's become one of the necessary evils sadly. Personally, I use the factory loaded Speer in 223 strictly for home defense and keep around 4-5 mags of the stuff. I live on a ranch with just over 200 acres and tons of wide open space so that 50+ yard defensive shot certainly leans more in my favor. I also realize that my situation is an extremely small percentage compared to the rest of people that practice their 2A rights. If you ever get into reloading then the Speer Gold Dot is the best BSP bullet on the market, "in my opinion". The bullets themselves can be found for some great deals in both 223/556 & 308. I love taking the 62g & 75g bullets and loading them as 556 pressures and push the envelope of velocity as safely possible. These are also the most accurate softpoints I've loaded as well. They've done amazing work on large feral hogs & coyotes and took my first whitetail earlier this year with the 75g @ just a few yards past 100.

[@pat_mags]

Thanks for the info!

[@richardefriend]

Based on an article reporting on a comprehensive study I just came across (""Ballistic gelatin comparisons: Part III), I'm left with the impression that the clear gel you're using here produces about 35% deeper penetration (because of less expansion) than the standard get the FBI uses, so the FBI's sweet spot of 12" to 18" should (in the clear gel) be more like 16" to 24". Is that anything you have more insight into that me?

[@TheKalkara131]

I've heard that too, just not sure how I could fix it. I don't have the ability to keep actual organic gel at the right temperature at the range.

[@keptoutsideproductions]

If you wanted to deposit the most energy, and expansion possible into a target What grain weight would you recommend? Coyote specifically.

[@TheKalkara131]

While I'm no expert, I'd say probably the 55gr. It's going fastest, it's going to hit the target and expand quicker, and penetrate less.

[@rossauce12]

Im not alll the way though but why didnt you you the other side othe the block

[@TheRayDog]

Great test, thanks. The 75 gr penetrates too much, imo, for home defense, but would probably be the best hog round of the 3.

[@RookCustoms]

I know the shit isn't cheap but once a ballistic gel has had a round and a temporary cavity ... You can not then shoot more rounds into it and trust the results.... The rounds that come after are essentially traveling through a compromised block.

[@DankBear]

Thanks for the gel test! I too watch the chopping block, i appreciate how you compared different weights. I chose the 55gr for my 16inch barrel. The hydrashok deep in 135 grain 9mm seems to have consistent expansion. You should do an extreme scenario denim test to see how much will make it fail 😏

[@jumpy5064]

62 would be better. why choose 55

[@TheKalkara131]

That could be a fun video. As soon as it gets in stock, i'll try to snap some up. That might be a while however, given the ronapocalypse.

[@DankBear]

@@jumpy5064 home defense round and the hydrostatic shock from light and fast

[@DankBear]

@@TheKalkara131 i havent been able to find it either. I was buying 4 boxes a month before corona

[@TerminalM193]

If you have a 1 : 8 twist you want the 75g

[@dlam2864]

why is it not in 5.56x45, Higher presure

[@ThomasBrucefye]

The FBI testing was for handguns; they said penetration is key because handguns projectile velocity is too low to make a significant permanent wound channel. I think the over penetration guideline of 18" is meant to say anymore is just a waste and is just making your pistol recoil more than you need. In a .223 shoulder fired rifle, 55-75gr recoil probably isn't a huge difference so I'd say I agree the over penetration isn't a big deal. But also I'm not actually sure about my guess so take that FWIW.

[@angry_zergling]

Well, if the projectile over penetrates enough you get a complete passthrough; that means not all of the energy was dumped into the target and just went to waste. Depending on what happens the VAST majority of the energy might go into the wall behind your target and not the target. And even if the round stops within the target, there's something to be said for the speed of the energy dump. If someone gently touches their fist to your face and gradually pushes, they can easily impart the same energy as a punch. Same energy, but one didn't even leave a mark and one broke your jaw. A round that stops in 12 inches dumped its energy 50% faster than a round that stops in 18. Admittedly, although technically all that stuff is true and seems significant I really don't know if it matters. As far as stopping a threat is concerned, that threat won't immediately know the difference if the round ripped all the way through or stopped inside him. It's relevant when they get medical attention and for their recovery, but for stopping or not stopping a threat bearing down on you? Getting shot by a rifle is getting shot by a rifle. And, I don't know the stats for one-stop shots for rifles; but if there's no real statistical difference between the chance to one-shot stop a threat with a .22 rimfire revolver and a 44 magnum Desert Eagle (.22, 9mm, 10mm, 45mm, .38, .357 magnum, .44 magnum have been shown to require statistically the same numbers of shots to stop a threat - ranging from about one and a half to two, so basically two straight across before they drop.) then I doubt variation within the same caliber would matter much at all. But whether or not it matters it's still fun to research gun stuff =)

[@steviebleckley]

They use the same testing for rifles.

[@Macreadysshack]

@@angry_zergling Good post, dude. You seem like another “the more you learn the less you realize you know” person. Big respect ... we are too few in this Tier One Expert Because I Read 3 Articles paradigm. Good info in your post that also reflects what I’ve heard/read/experienced, including the caveats of uncertainty.

[@ThomasBrucefye]

@@angry_zergling If the projectile passes all the way through you also get (at least) two holes which in a hunting scenario is definitely a good thing. Which to your point about 1 stop shots the reason the FBI focused on penetration is because if you blast a big hole in someone's lungs that is absolutely lethal, but they might be able to shoot and kill the good guy; so they focus on destroying central nervous system because that's basically instant. The other difference between pistol and rifle is effective range. Sometimes you have a weird thing happen where close to the muzzle you have so much velocity the bullet doesn't penetrate much due to rapid expansion, then the maximum penetration occurs at some middle distance, then the penetration starts to taper with impact velocity. To me it seems fine to say sure at 5 yds it over penetrates but out at 600m you get adequate penetration and to judge rifle vs. pistol differently because of that. So yea, recoil isn't the only issue. I would say worrying about bullet over penetration after hitting a fleshy target in a cqb situation is a bit silly because if you watch many self defense or police shootings you see a LOT of misses; you can't rely on hitting center of mass of a moving dangerous target to protect anyone behind them. That's why in my opinion the 18" rule of thumb is more about pistols than rifles. But again, I'm just some guy; what do I know.

[@leemiller5194]

Wait you caught that slow mo on your phone what phone is that

[@TheKalkara131]

@@leemiller5194 I use my old galaxy s9+. It has a super slo mo that can capture multiple shots at 960fps.

[@leemiller5194]

@@TheKalkara131 thats so cool i wish more phones did that ill look into it!

[@leemiller5194]

@@TheKalkara131 thanks for the response 3 years later lol

[@TheKalkara131]

@@leemiller5194 my channel is small enough I still get notifications for basically every comment haha. Not hard to respond to most of them

[@krumpchaos]

Thanks, good video

[@Sherman62]

Very good test and I agree, very informative. This is a well engineered line of bullets! Not to dump on FMJ fans but this CONSISTENT performance is what you get from good expanding bullets. Yes, FMJs CAN get similar performance, when the yaw and the yang align properly, but at least as often, they will penetrate much farther before beginning to deliver energy. Sure, I'm going to do most practice shooting with FMJs, but for defensive use, Gold Dots or similar expanding bullets will be in my mags.

[@squidy4082]

How does this compare to m193 ?

[@twich155]

Why doesn't anyone ever mention twist rate?! It's so important to bullet grain and yet it's never mentioned

[@TheKalkara131]

Honestly, I don't because as long as it's 1:7, 1:8, or 1:9 I don't care that much more. I know that faster is better for heavier loads, but the twist rate shouldn't affect terminal performance at 5 yards

[@twich155]

1:9 can get by stabilizing a 75 grain bullet and 1:7 can get by stabilizing a 55 grain bullet those are far from optimal. Wobble can be pretty quick when a 1:7 is over stabilizing a 55 grain round and while it may have little or even no impact on the results, why not just mention what it is? It has a greater importance than who made the barrel and yet that was mentioned in the video

[@SonOfTheDawn515]

It's not relevant to this test. Twist rate affects accuracy, not velocity.

[@SonOfTheDawn515]

​@@twich155 you can't over stabilize. You either stabilize or you don't.

[@nickminnich2453]

Good video man

[@Swampytheroot]

Thing is, you're using rounds designed for hunting. I don't care how they're marketed, that's their purpose. Run the same test with PMC or Federal FMJ. It's a 223. Just try it. Nice that you spent the dough for clear ballistics gel. That's a great touch.

[@TheKalkara131]

I'm going to do a gel test of M193 and M855 at some point, but I don't see why it matters if they're made for hunting. They'll drop humans just fine too. The FBIs 223 load is a 62gr bonded soft point.

[@TerminalM193]

These gold dot cartridges were specifically designed for LEO applications as the highest priority. I'll agree that the vast majority of other soft point ammunition is designed with hunting as priority, the gold dot was specifically designed for bipedal "varmints". Still, it's a great cartridge for hunting.

[@mblake0420]

The 62 grain chronograph at 2750 16 inch barrel...weak, I load them to 3150fps, nasty. Would like to see it in gel, I would send a few if u gel test it.

[@TheKalkara131]

Not sure if I'd call 2750 weak, but I'd be willing to test them side by side if your serious about sending a couple. Email me, [e-mail]

[@mblake0420]

@@TheKalkara131 yep I'll send you some, I have about 750

[@mblake0420]

@@TheKalkara131 email sent, your rifle chamber 556?

[@TheKalkara131]

@@mblake0420 Yes

[@mblake0420]

@@TheKalkara131 sent

[@mattwalters6834]

Is the barrel 1:7, 1:8, or 1:9 twist?

[@mattwalters6834]

That slow motion footage is not atrocious; each of those rounds are nasty, though. Also, nice knife; what is it?

[@robinkopeikin5802]

What is the twist on your barrel?

[@TheKalkara131]

Probably 1:7, I don't remember. Pretty sure this is an old barrel I replaced

[@adam45011]

Great content!

[@hanf022]

I assume for a 11.5 inch and 1:7 twist the 62gr would be the best?

[@TheKalkara131]

I don't have an 11.5" so I'm hesitant to say. Pretty sure that's the length Andrew uses at the chopping block, you can look for his videos on his channel. Either on the chopping block or ar15com

[@internetuser1324]

Im not positive but i think the 75gr was developed specifically for SBR’s

[@tedberwick3186]

Ty

[@heavy6355]

Great video

[@jason200912]

Measure the bullet diameters, that's the most important part of the test

[@daviddevine4071]

What twist is your barrel?

[@TheKalkara131]

1:7 I believe

[@n0xxm3rcyxx]

binger needs to see that....

[@jtz27]

I have a 10.5. What gr would be best for that?

[@TheKalkara131]

I'm not sure, I don't have a 10.5". I'd say check out thechoppingblock or ar15.com tests on gold dot. Andrew uses a 10.5 in most of his tests, so he'd be able to give you a better idea.

[@eddiearchuleta615]

62 grain xm556sbct3 or 64 grain ra556b

[@HAYAOLEONE]

Good video. 👍

[@peterroberts505]

good info

[@zachariafy4652]

for the allgorythem

[@johnnyrichardson5190]

5 yards ? , thats not going to tell you any vital info for the expan. of the heaver bullets , anything that close will kill

[@ethan.amosberg835]

Your velocity is going to be less because you are using a sbr

[@shanep6528]

62gr is the perfect weight

[@teflondonii9298]

Nice video💯. Just sub'd.👍🏾🍻

[@jumpy5064]

75 gr would be good for a 20 inch barrel

[@joehelvey5794]

I dunno, if your gonna run an AR for home defense, I’d shove the biggest grain gold dot I could find in it. All 3 would be brutal up close and personal. I think you’ll have less chance of hitting an unintended target, little slower, more energy. Good test

[@smokey-qq6hd]

55gr w always b the best option in 223,556. Puts the most energy into target

[@sgtmac11b]

Negative. Energy is relative to weight, speed, and distance.

[@allpraisegoddessmonika2887]

I thought You use 75s?

[@TheKalkara131]

Before the gel test, I did keep 75gr loaded up in my HD rifle, however after seeing how they perform I decided to switch to 62.

[@robdavidson2569]

do the denim test, you'll switch back.😉

[@sttvoyager1727]

75 grain is a great big varmint round...although they are all excellent for that. I won’t shoot a deer with that. Some will...Maybe if I’m 5 yards away and it’s a small whitetail. I prefer a 7.62x51 Gold dot In the 168 grain flavor. Great stuff! For future tests, consider using (4) layers of FBI layers in front of your gel block to get authenticity.

[@TheKalkara131]

Bare gel is part of the real fbi test, but really nothing of what I'm doing is actual fbi specs. These are mostly just for fun, with some usable info gleaned. I am planning on doing some testing in the future, a lot closer to the actual FBI barrier test.

[@mblake0420]

I shoot deer with them every year out to 200 yards, drop like a sack of taters

[@internetuser1324]

Can’t say much for deer, but the Internet is full of video evidence of big ‘ol hogs and wild pigs being dropped quick with the 75gr gold dots. It has a higher BC i believe as well, when properly stabilized with the right twist rate

[@boostimalaka1]

I have harvested a deer using the 75 grain Speer Gold Dot. I prefer neck or head shots when possible. It will drive through the opposite side if no bone is hit through the vitals. I have seen deer run about 300 yards from a vital hit from a rifle and bow. A good blood trail is necessary and this is why the heavier 75 grain is the better choice for deer.

[@tx611]

Killed six hogs in the last year and a half. Shot four at ranges of 100, 175, and 200 yards using .223 75gr OTM with a 14.5". The two largest, roughly 150lbs, shot at 175 and 200 yards never took a step. The smallest one shot at 100 yards crawled under a bar wire fence and died in the brush. Fifth hog shot with 55gr M193, roughly 150 pounds at 80 yards, dead right there. Sixth hog roughly 150-200lbs, shot with Hornady .308, ran roughly 75-100 yards before bleeding out.

[@RoadTraveler]

Bump

[@downsouth701]

Fbi uses denim

[@SonOfTheDawn515]

They sure do. I haven't seen people wear thick denim shirts and jackets, though. Occasionally a redneck gal or biker wearing a vest but they ain't too thick so the four layers is... Odd.

[@SammyTheSidePiece]

LMAO. Thekalkara131 the 77 grain penatrated more because its heavier. Not because its slower. If u jumped into a pool u would go deeper opposed to a guy half ur size cuz ur bigger, not slower lol.

[@peterschmidt2849]

🤙🏼😎🇺🇸🍺

[@shockwave6213]

I find the FBI standard of 12-18 inches on Gel to be erroneous, or rather erroniously based because its pretty absurd to think they'd recommend you get penetration 4 to 6 times deeper than the vital areas of an assailant for defensive purposes. Even when you factor in bone, hydrostatic shock, expansion and all these other variables, a 12-18 inch recommendation still sounds like too much for a responsible defensive pistol caliber (which is what gel metrics were created for), when rifle caliber dynamics are a whole different ballgame. Just my 2 cents on the matter Edit: I do my personal ammo tests on meat targets based on the Paul Harrel meat target. Few layers of Denim, pork shoulder with bone, oranges or grapefruit to simulate lung tissue and another pork shoulder or similar boned meat and more denim on the oppostite side. Edit #2: Not to worry about waste. I use expired meat when I can and eat what is salvagable. Its no different than eating the animal you hunted and shot for meat if you ask me.

[@TheKalkara131]

All I can say is the people at the FBI who came up with that standard are smarter than me with more money to throw at testing. If they decided that a bullet should penetrate that far, and they're betting people's lives on it, then I'm assuming there's a reason. The only difference in rifles vs pistols, in this context as I see it, is they have more energy. Fact is energy dump can't be relied upon to stop a threat. Will it stop some, maybe even most threats? Sure, but there are times where the threat, due to various factors, may not feel anything. Ergo, I personally don't want to rely upon the added energy of a rifle round to stop a threat. Penetration, destruction of major vital organs and blood loss is the what I'm looking for. The issue I've always had with test setups like that is you can't do multiple tests and guarantee the same response. You may hit a bone head on, you may hit it as a sharp angle, may miss it entirely, etc. You'd have to shoot more to get more of an average, given the extra factors in that testing setup.

[@dud3man6969]

Bad guys don't always pose for the best shot. They have to be able to penetrate arms, heavy clothes and stuff too.

[@dustinn5490]

The FBI recommendation for penetration depth is based off an average of data that showed most shot coming in from odd angles, often hitting arms and extremities, before striking the torso. There’s lots of good info out there as to the “why” you are questioning

[@BryanTTga]

It’s because gel isn’t a human, they calibrated it to be 12-18 equaling effective penetration to stop a person, and factors in bone and all that. It’s not that people are 12-18 inches and react the same as a gel block