What everybody who hunts with a 16" AR really wants to know - 62gr Gold Dot vs 62gr Fusion MSR. Velocity tests & expansion/penetration at distance. Would be great to see this side by side with a 16" and 14.5" 1-7 twist chrome lined barrel, which is what a lot of 16" ARs are. These two rounds are hugely popular and direct competitors.
@TheKalkara131 Жыл бұрын
Don't think I have a 14.5, but I do want to do a fusion msr test
@sgtmac11b Жыл бұрын
@@TheKalkara131 even the 16" 1-7 would be a great test with those 2 rounds since it's the most common barrel out there.
@TheTruth-sd8ey Жыл бұрын
You actually hunt with 223? I feel sorry for your animals. I wouldn't trust 223 for human defense, let alone animal hunting.
@88geauxtigers Жыл бұрын
@@TheTruth-sd8ey I've never had to track any animal I've shot with Fusion MSR in .223. I also don't miss my shots. 🤷🏼♂️
@Benroe-yz1nz Жыл бұрын
@TheTruth-sd8ey throw a barnes or gold dot at a medium sized animal with a fast handload and it's a decent round
@michaellewis5624 Жыл бұрын
Gold dot is amazing no matter what caliber!!!
@arthurwilliams8371 Жыл бұрын
Great video. I personally use the Speer Gold Dot for my home defense guns. My department uses the Federal Bonded SP. It should be noted the Federal Bonded SP is more expensive than the Speer Gold Dot. But, I feel comfortable using either one.
@steviebleckley Жыл бұрын
Good test as always. The only thing the Federal tactical bonded does better then the gold dot is penetration threw auto glass.
@mrdark9916Ай бұрын
Which is pretty important tho from a duty perspective But honestly they are both absolutely solid options.
@sheldoniusRexАй бұрын
Through
@ahole540710 ай бұрын
Gold dots are not bonded barrier blind rounds. The LE223T3 are. Put an angled windshield or car door in front of that gel and see what will happen.
@dustydee880Ай бұрын
Not true at all. Gold dot and fusions are in fact bonded. The jackets are electroplated to the core. They both perform very well through barriers. There are tons of test to show it. They also expand at much lower velocities which gives better range performance,
@ryanhattaway8006 Жыл бұрын
Good comparison! Would you consider testing the Winchester 64 gr Power Point? This is the same bullet that was used in the Winchester Ranger line formerly used by many law enforcement agencies. As much as this round has been used hunting, this round is probably a decent pick for home defense (as long as auto glass penetration isn’t a requirement), but there just isn’t a good quality clear gel test of this ammo on KZbin. If you’re willing to test this one, I’ll happily send you a box.
@timb8970 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Please keep up the good work!
@desdenova69 Жыл бұрын
I would like to see a barrier test like car doors and glass with these 2 loads.
@TheKalkara131 Жыл бұрын
I did a simulated FBI barrier test on the speer. It's up on the channel
@cadamsm112 жыл бұрын
Nice demonstration. I currently run the 55g Gold Dot, which expands to a respectable .50”. for a SD round. 62g gives you a little more heft, I’m sure. If you look at my most recent video, You can see what I got out of the 55g with an M&P-15, 16” barrel.
@JohnLee-jk5ew11 ай бұрын
Your thoughts on the 75gr Gold Dot?
@cadamsm1111 ай бұрын
Since I use either 1:9 or 1:12 twist rifles, I tend to stay under 69 grain, but I’ve heard they’re great out of 1:7. @@JohnLee-jk5ew
@ikemouser2580 Жыл бұрын
The issue with 62gr GD is its velocit resulting in a small MPBR, I run 12.5's supressed; weight matters, speed of rifle manipulation matters, target transitions speed matters hence the 12.5. Once you start putting lasers lights and supressors on a 16.5 you lose a ton of speed therefore I want a hot round that will give me good velocities in the 12.5. So the quest for the best overall SHTF barrier blind round continues... The Barnes 62gr TSX/TTSX is the best overall round with barrier blind capabilities(but not worth the maintenance/fouling issues in SHtF), the 77gr TMK is the best semi-barrier blind round but in the BH loading also suffers from low velocity like the gold dot loadings. Therefore looks like the best BB round is the 62gr federal fusion msr, also has much higher velocities than the 62gr gold dot loadings, it's also extremely accurate. I am interested in a 5.56 loaded gold dot but no one sells it. Could you test the fusion MSR? BONUS, it's also widely available.
@viclashawn2201 Жыл бұрын
Agreed. However, the most devastating on bare body no barrier is the TMK/heavier grain polymer tips. Even the 77 grain TMK wouldn't perform best through BARRIERS, maybe 77gr SMK. I'd stick to mid-grade polymer tips like the 60gr VMAX's & for barriers the 62gr bonded TBBC's.. I wouldn't get too hung up on velocities outta shorter barrels. For example, most engineered rounds are capable of expanding down to 1600-1800 fps. Your 12.5 suppressed firing a 62grain ttbc at say 2400 fps only becomes non effective around like 200 yards according to jbmballistics. Velocities out of most premium bonded DEFENSE projectiles just doesn't really matter imo. Think the slower the round in target the more time the projectiles have to perform. For example imo THE BEST round performance is 75gr Speer GD, most would say the same but can't get over how slow it is at only 2500-2550 fps. But law enforcement agencies knew their not going to be taking 200-300 sniper shots either lol. Rather CQB situations including defeating barriers/body armor. Only peers I see increasing the velocities are hunters who want that performance out to longer distances. All preferences I suppose. Take Care
@bearman000ify Жыл бұрын
The gas farts were epic!
@mghegotagun Жыл бұрын
Hoping to see a federal fusion MSR test. I hear it has deceptively spicy velocities.
@JohnLee-jk5ew Жыл бұрын
Depends on the box- both 62gr but one is considerably faster than the other
@TerminalM193 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't want to add anymore velocity to the 62g variant. It's traveling at its designed velocity, giving perfectly adequate accuracy & terminal ballistics.
@timrobinson65732 жыл бұрын
No doubt it's good but with tax it's $40 for a box of 20. At that price no one is practicing with it enough to be proficient. I can get 55 grain ammo at $87 for 150 rounds at it is going to do 90% of what the Gold Dot will do. It's .223, it's going to absolutely destroy any two legged target at self defense distance.
@TheKalkara1312 жыл бұрын
You don't need to use the specific self defense load to be good with a rifle. Use cheap ammo to practice, zero your rifle with your SD load and you'll be good. There isn't exactly any noticeable difference between 55gr and 62gr at, as you said, self defense distance
@MeMadeIt2 жыл бұрын
@@TheKalkara131 That's what I do. 62gr TBBC for SD, 62gr FMJ for range. Same with 9mm - 147gr HST for SD, 147gr FMJ for range.
@TerminalM193 Жыл бұрын
I get them for 17-20 bucks a box online, 12 dollar shipping and usually get 200 at a time.
@mattsterpiecenjmaflva9956 Жыл бұрын
@@TerminalM193where!?!!!!!!
@TerminalM193 Жыл бұрын
@@mattsterpiecenjmaflva9956 I've been using recoilgunworks lately but I'll find cheaper sources here and there. I was able to grab 300rds of Speer 62g sp at botach website not too long ago for cheap price.
@mattwalters68342 жыл бұрын
Neat That pause at 5:05 is classic 😂
@TheKalkara1312 жыл бұрын
Damn wind
@bkb56689 ай бұрын
I like bonded soft point for hunting. I will take a case of steel case Russian soft point for self defense as I can purchase four rounds to one for the same money and I think in most situations you or whatever your firing at would not know the difference. I do not like fmj for any defense purposes but would also use it in a pinch. Bonded soft points are way to expensive to purchase/store in bulk. I bought a bunch of 62gr. 5.56 sp from sgaammo a while back and it is very good stuff. I will say inside 100 yards any expanding bullet will do, thanks for the videos.
@nelhead48074 ай бұрын
You should try the fed fusion as well.
@JohnLee-jk5ew2 ай бұрын
Same projectile as the gold dot
@viclashawn22012 жыл бұрын
Awesome video dude! ✅️ Great rounds indeed
@TODinWY2 жыл бұрын
Gold Dots are the BOMB! Pull a few of each and swap bullets. The Gold Dots At 2850 will probably take the gel block apart.
@TheKalkara1312 жыл бұрын
I did a video with a stock GD and a hot, handloaded one. Impressive for sure
@zacharydance7822 Жыл бұрын
Heck yeah thanks
@Markyymark662 Жыл бұрын
Great video and the best 2 bullets for 223 by far. I like them both about the same. Their both nickel case and they both do dang good, I’ve had a lot of gold dots for a long time and just recently found some federal 62gr so I ordered some of it hasn’t came in yet but can’t wait to try it and test it out
@eddiearchuleta6152 жыл бұрын
I have the xm556sbct3 it’s the 5.56 version of the 223 federal bonded they use the trophy bonded bear claw projectile it’s a way tougher bullet than the Speer gold dot or federal fusion msr (fusion and gold dot are same projectile) the xm556sbct3 62 grain hit 3070 from my 16 inch
@TheKalkara1312 жыл бұрын
If I could find any of that or the FBIT3 rounds, I'd love to pick some up to test out. I've seen some tested before, extremely impressive.
@eddiearchuleta6152 жыл бұрын
Yea I picked up some from bone frog gun club Andrew from the chopping block tested it from a 10.5 it did phenomenal that along with the 50 grain tsx
@HarryManback0 Жыл бұрын
@@TheKalkara131 That ammo has been impossible to find for at least a year now. I've been looking consistently to stock up on more of it. I bought 400 rounds of it in early 2021 for $1.25 per round.
@txgreek35129 ай бұрын
Personally, no gel test gives a true perspective of actual damage caused by either but realistically speaking gel testing is designed for flesh a fluid like, not taking into account of bone and cartilage. I prefer the deeper penetration of the Federal Tactical as bone and cartilage will definitely slow down and bullet.
@frankgrillo8094 Жыл бұрын
Hey bud , here's a thought- beg , borrow, or steal 😂 a 20in bbl from someone @ add to you're tests , I do believe you'll be amazed at the results- 98% of us don't need short bbl ARs-- we're not jumping in an out of Humvees, and that extra 4in really steps up the effectiveness of the round !
@TheKalkara131 Жыл бұрын
Not sure I consider 16" short, but I know what you mean. Problem is, as much as I ramble, adding in a 20" version would probably make the video really long. I already have one though, so I'll consider adding it in
@sgtmac11b62 Жыл бұрын
If it were me, I'd do 11.5, 16, and 20. 1-7 twist is most popular because it's mil-spec. Only two twists I'd test are 1-7 and 1-9. 1-8 is great, but not as common.
@TreborUSCG6 ай бұрын
I get 2746 FPS in a 16" barreled AR, out of my Speer 62 grain Gold Dot reloads in LC brass, Ramshot TAC, CCI 450 primer @ 2.250" COAL. Seems to work just fine.....
@thatoneguy454c Жыл бұрын
The gold dot and fusion are basically the same bullet for all intents and purposes
@Mitsurugi24244 ай бұрын
I'd like to see 62gr gold dot vs 77gr mk262 mod1/razorcore I know the weighs are different but my goal is to find an optimal defense round, not compare grains.
@TheKalkara1314 ай бұрын
The issue is finding 62gr gold dot in stock. I swear I haven't seen any in months, maybe a year? It's been incredibly long
@jdmbraceyourself9860 Жыл бұрын
Great video
@eddiearchuleta6152 жыл бұрын
Try the black hills 50 grain tsx if you can get them they are amazing
@TheKalkara1312 жыл бұрын
I'll keep an eye out
@builtfordtough4499 Жыл бұрын
That is permanent wounding damage. It has to make a difference when both penetrate enough..
@ramzankadyrov6035 Жыл бұрын
I prefer 62 grain federal fusion.
@denveready3486 Жыл бұрын
How does the speed gold dot hold up against a Barnes copper in equivalent weight
@doubled31206 ай бұрын
Great review.
@itsamk18-ish2 жыл бұрын
Aim surplus has some of those Orange and some of the green lancer mags in stock if you want more. They make cool IG pics i only use them for range mags though,I’ve had too many issues with them and the rounds pop out too easy. I have some American eagle 50 gr jhp varmint & predator loads I’m waiting to use on some gel. I’m thinking out of a 10.5 they might get a little more penetration but stil break up pretty good.
@connerm48502 жыл бұрын
I’m getting ready to chrono/test 25.5-27.5gr w/ CFE223.
@jeremysilcox93626 ай бұрын
Would you do a test on the sierra game king 65 gr sbt? I also have Speer Gold dot bonded sp in the 70 gr.
@mblake04202 жыл бұрын
Federal fusion is the same as gold dot, that was me that sent the ammo, 3050fps on handloads
@TheKalkara1312 жыл бұрын
I remember you. I still appreciate it, thanks man
@ramzankadyrov6035 Жыл бұрын
Really? Is that true??
@mblake0420 Жыл бұрын
@@ramzankadyrov6035 yes
@mblake0420 Жыл бұрын
@@ramzankadyrov6035 just brass cased
@ramzankadyrov6035 Жыл бұрын
@@mblake0420 interesting.
@beamtopz2 жыл бұрын
I was told that speeding up Gold Dot (55, 62 or 75) harms it because it's designed to expand at 223 velocity. If too fast it won't expand an act like FMJ
@TheKalkara1312 жыл бұрын
You can push a bullet design too fast, but that depends on the bullet and how hot the company loads it. Some load it conservatively, so you can push it a lot faster than the factory load. Some companies will load a bullet almost all the way to max from the factory. It all depends
@TerminalM193 Жыл бұрын
That's correct, I've personally contacted Speer and they said the exact same thing. The bullets design falls perfectly within the parameters of velocity and Speer went out of their way to state that the bullets design will work as intended all the way down to 1250fps but when the round is pushed further than intended velocities that's when you'll start getting a severe drop in accuracy, premature expansion which can greatly diminish penetration and performance. I'll never understand why so many people are obsessed with pushing bonded soft points at the fastest rate possible. These rounds have been specially designed to work as intended from 10" to 20" barrels out to 200 yards. The only reason I can see wanting to push these rounds at a higher pressure is maybe for a hunter that wants the round to perform at its maximum potential at a minimum of 100 yards. For everything else, leave the damn round alone and just use it!
@MeMadeIt Жыл бұрын
Too fast to expand is a myth. Just the opposite. Too fast and they expand explosively with minimal penetration. Too slow and they fail to expand and act like an FMJ.
@beamtopz Жыл бұрын
@@TerminalM193 Wow interesting! Thanks for the details
@beamtopz Жыл бұрын
@@MeMadeIt Ah yes that makes perfect sense, I had it backwards. Still I guess same rules apply, dont alter the velocity too much in either direction unless you desire alternative effects on target
@Marcus2750-u1t2 жыл бұрын
If you think thats good velocity you should see my handloads using the 62 speer gd and especially out of my 24” barrel ar. Thanks for sharing this!
@TheKalkara1312 жыл бұрын
I tested some hot, handloaded 62gr GD from a subscriber before, it did good
@Marcus2750-u1t2 жыл бұрын
@@TheKalkara131 thats great! All my stuff is within the data in numerous reloading books I have, wish I could send you some and you try.
@TheKalkara1312 жыл бұрын
@@Marcus2750-u1t At some point, I should get into reloading. But I'm moving soon, so buying new stuff for the channel has taken a back seat
@Marcus2750-u1t2 жыл бұрын
@@TheKalkara131 loading some 300 blk 120 tac tx right now, a killer round
@mblake04202 жыл бұрын
@@Marcus2750-u1t I loaded those on his video. 29.6 grains of 2000mr, cci41, at ar15 mag length (556 data )and get 3050 from 16inch. Max charge is 30.2 per Speers load data. Load at your own risk, check Speers load data they have 556 loadings (load data above) and 223 loadings with data for longer barrel
@jameskennedy69826 ай бұрын
30+ years ago, the Firearms Training Unit, FBI Quantico, sent out some .223,60gr Nosler Partition, and some 62gr TBBC....neither did what they hoped....penetration of a windshield.
@randystockton624 Жыл бұрын
Why paid so much for GOLD DOT when u can get soft point with same results at half price? I'm into buying and having large amounts of ammo and just can't afford paying 1.50 a round just ridiculous.
@joeyphillips1181 Жыл бұрын
If you need deeper penetration in a animal or something the federal is actually better.. its just personal preference
@angrysheepdog9744 Жыл бұрын
Gold Dot always on point except the Federal is trucking 150fps faster so increased range. Dude those gel blocks look nasty even has beard hairs stuck to it
@ryanehlis42611 ай бұрын
20 inches penetration is better for deer 🦌 hunting, federal performance is better.
@RoadTraveler Жыл бұрын
bump
@KevinWood445 ай бұрын
6:53 you pointed a loaded rifle at your foot.
@combatsolutionsgroup2021 Жыл бұрын
Guy who’s never been in a gunfight in his entire life is telling us about what to look for in gun fighting ammo….
@TheKalkara131 Жыл бұрын
Guy who's read a bit about ballistics tells you his opinion on what to look for in self defense ammo** I love how you seem to think that being in a gunfight makes you an expert.
@cmtwgrdk2748 Жыл бұрын
A surgion, that never went through a operation on himself, can be highly qualified to do surgery on others,, ;o)