Spell Duplication in Noita is weird

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@mikelezhnin8601 2 ай бұрын

So basically, with those 4 sparkbolts at 2:52, what happens is: You cast sparkbolt (1), phi for 1 more sparkbolt (2) Divide spells cast omega, omega casts sparkbolt (3) and divide spells, Divide spells cast omega again, which casts sparkbolt (4) and the divide spells again, Divide spells try to cast omega, but omega can't be cast due to recursion limit. Divide spells discard omega, so omega is pretty much gone now. Coming back from recursion, divide spells try to discard omega that was being casted, but instead discard 2x that was lying afterwards - so 2x is never casted. So now omega and 2x are in discard pile, and, while normally divN would remember that spell it was casting, here we have divN spells chained, so they need to look up the spell they cast after every small loop. So the rest of the call graph is just divN spells trying to find a spell to cast and finding nothing. With 2x the situation is different, because 1) 2x can cast omega (while omega can't cast 2x) 2) 2x draws a card at the end of its execution, so it causes wrapping and gives cast graph some extra longevity. This all requires a PhD in noita wand crafting tho, so yeee I'm just gonna drop some links for the interested: noita.fandom.com/wiki/Expert_Guide:_Draw noita.fandom.com/wiki/Expert_Guide:_Calling_and_Recursion noita.fandom.com/wiki/Expert_Guide:_Advanced_Spell_Specifics noita.fandom.com/wiki/Expert_Guide:_Divide_By_Spells

@DeriumEnvy 2 ай бұрын

Got it, I'll just stick bashing rocks together and finding out when the game freezes and/or explodes.

@SolidTitanium 2 ай бұрын

This one of the reasons I love noita, it looks quite simple at first and then you discover that if you place sparking bolt on your bomb wand it shoots very fast, then you discover triggers and all the instadeath spells like explosion turn out quite cool, then you start doing 'combos' like using a dualcast inside a trigger with a flamable material and an explosion... Then you start noticing weird stuff like 'add explosion power' making the shotgun do thousands of damage, or wand wrapping when you place a multicast at the end of a wand, or minigun wands with lasers/chainsaw and add mana('s), you dig in and discover a sub-game about deckbuilding and comboing off dozens if not hundreds of spells in a single cast. By the time you start to notice something is different you're already thinking about what order to put your spells so that you can maximize the amount of modifiers multipled without reaching neither the iteration limit of divide by or the recursion limit of greek letter spells all so you can wipe an entire biome with homing cloud of doom so you can more easily find a deer spell to build a wand that allows you to teleport to a parallel world... and you're at hissi base...

@bezmik_raw 3 күн бұрын

ah yes, another of instance of humanity being confused by a strange finnish game

@calthyechild 2 ай бұрын

Those of us who stood with you, live, through the hour and a half of the duck wand firing, salute you for your brave sacrifice of your computer to science. o7

@Evolutionstrigger 2 ай бұрын

5:45 I really didn't expect a huge Death Star laser capable of deleting whole biomes to come out of this

@KoboldCommando 2 ай бұрын

E N H A N C E D plasma beam

@mago7581 2 ай бұрын

so that was how the quackpocalypse started

@mikelezhnin8601 2 ай бұрын

It makes sense *nods* sidenote: at 2:35, you should swap div2 and div10, since that div10 is not working there

@DeriumEnvy 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, that makes sense too. But then again I dunno if anything is working there.

@Draythix 2 ай бұрын

Spell: Transmute air to ducks XD

@TheGingusa 2 ай бұрын

when you fired 480 sparkbolts imagine if they all had acid trail

@DeriumEnvy 2 ай бұрын

That would be too much acid, but now I want to try having 80 acid trails on a wand.

@Heowolf 2 ай бұрын

@@DeriumEnvy Throw the trails on a Pollen spell for maximum production . Oh and a quick tip for messing with trails - Use Rainbow trail to test the effects first, unless you've loaded a safe environment to do so. It's near impossible to kill yourself with it lol

@DeriumEnvy 2 ай бұрын

@@Heowolf Thanks, I did it with acid already. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5POk2t_orSDetk

@armyant1242 Ай бұрын

God, I love this game.

@brianwilson7497 Ай бұрын

thank you for this knowledge, i now understand how this works as well as you do

@Tiniuc 4 күн бұрын

Spells to power on the duck version

@akasakasvault7597 2 ай бұрын

that's a lot of bathtubs

@DylanPwnt Ай бұрын

That was informative (I play a lot of Noita) and hilarious! Man that was a lot of ducks. LOLs

@Alex-ck4in 2 күн бұрын

Sea of Duck

@burrdid 2 ай бұрын

Because omega has a lower iteration limit

@DeriumEnvy 2 ай бұрын

Yea that seems to be true

@josephmathes 2 ай бұрын

Recursion, not iteration

@TotallyCisCatGirl 2 ай бұрын

Where did the 200 extra starting ducks come from on that last wand?

@DeriumEnvy 2 ай бұрын

Flock of Ducks fires 3 ducks at once

@imdumb-w3n 2 ай бұрын

1k view in one day! good job!!🎉🎉🎉

@rexmeeks 2 ай бұрын

Makes me want to play Noita again now that I upgraded my PC. What are your specs? Curious if the same super explosion with lots of projectiles or all the ducks will set my computer on fire

@DeriumEnvy 2 ай бұрын

Do it. The main issue with Noita is actually the engine, but I have Intel i7-10700f RTX 3060 8GB 32GB of RAM.

@rexmeeks 2 ай бұрын

@@DeriumEnvy literally reinstalled it last night and going to be playing all night tonight! There's so many new mods since I got it on release. Glad I found your video.